Global Warming

[me]

But when someone says you can't grow grapes in England becasue it is too cold there...when someone asserts "A single volcano eruption produces more CO2 then ALL of the cars, boats, planes, trains, etc. that humans have built." ...when someone writes ""Carbon...is the most common element in the known universe"

Then they are wrong.

Ok so I was wrong buuuuttttt...On the other hand that also means England isn't cooling down like the global warming is supposed to be causing sooooo I guess it was kind of a draw there.  Not trying to be argumentative just stating the other side of the coin here.   

[Henry Hawk]

But when someone says you can't grow grapes in England becasue it is too cold there...when someone asserts "A single volcano eruption produces more CO2 then ALL of the cars, boats, planes, trains, etc. that humans have built." ...when someone writes ""Carbon...is the most common element in the known universe"

Then they are wrong.

there is some truth to the grape thing, at least according to wiki........http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_from_the_United_Kingdom

[Ghost of Jaco]

Perhaps if you go to something besides Wiki ....

http://chemistry.about.com/cs/howthingswork/f/blabundant.htm
"Answer: The most abundant element in the universe is hydrogen, which makes up about 3/4 of all matter! Helium makes up most of the remaining 25%. Oxygen is the third most abundant element in the universe. All of the other elements are relatively rare. "

Where is carbon?

http://education.jlab.org/glossary/abund_uni.html

The 10 Most Abundant Elements in the Universe

Source: Exploring Chemical Elements and their Compounds; David L. Heiserman, 1992

Element Abundance
measured relative to silicon
Hydrogen 40,000
Helium 3,100
Oxygen 22
Neon 8.6
Nitrogen 6.6
Carbon 3.5
Silicon 1
Magnesium 0.91
Iron 0.6
Sulfur 0.38

Ah...there is is ... #6!

Isn't 3/4 = 75%?  And 75% + 25% = 100%? So the only two elements in the universe are hydrogen and helium?
Gotta love statistics!

Hey, if there's so much helium, how come we don't all talk with squeaky voices?


Gee, I'm glad carbon showed up in the list! You just about had me convinced that the existence of carbon is a myth, Bo!

Grapes don't grow in England because...well, let's face it: who would drink English wine? Their gin on the other hand...mmmm!


Ok, I updated my original post to better reflect current data. It doesn't change my point, though: the global climate is in constant flux.

[Henry Hawk]

Isn't 3/4 = 75%?  And 75% + 25% = 100%? So the only two elements in the universe are hydrogen and helium?
Gotta love statistics!

Hey, if there's so much helium, how come we don't all talk with squeaky voices?


Gee, I'm glad carbon showed up in the list! You just about had me convinced that the existence of carbon is a myth, Bo!

Grapes don't grow in England because...well, let's face it: who would drink English wine? Their gin on the other hand...mmmm!


Ok, I updated my original post to better reflect current data. It doesn't change my point, though: the global climate is in constant flux.

you crack me up too..sometimes....

[Bo D]

Isn't 3/4 = 75%?  And 75% + 25% = 100%? So the only two elements in the universe are hydrogen and helium?
Gotta love statistics!

Please read again. "The most abundant element in the universe is hydrogen, which makes up about 3/4 of all matter! Helium makes up most of the remaining 25%. Oxygen is the third most abundant element in the universe. All of the other elements are relatively rare.

Hey, if there's so much helium, how come we don't all talk with squeaky voices?

Are we going to dsicuss this rationally? My source goes on to say....

"The chemical composition of the earth is quite a bit different from that of the universe. The most abundant element in the earth's crust is oxygen, making up 46.6% of the earth's mass. Silicon is the second most abundant element (27.7%), followed by aluminum (8.1%), iron (5.0%), calcium (3.6%), sodium (2.8%), potassium (2.6%). and magnesium (2.1%). These eight elements account for approximately 98.5% of the total mass of the earth's crust. Of course, the earth's crust is only the outer portion of the earth. Future research will tell us about the composition of the mantle and core."

[Bo D]

England isn't cooling down like the global warming is supposed to be causing .......

England isn't cooling down....yet.

(My! You are a hardheaded one.)

[Ghost of Jaco]

Please read again. "The most abundant element in the universe is hydrogen, which makes up about 3/4 of all matter! Helium makes up most of the remaining 25%. Oxygen is the third most abundant element in the universe. All of the other elements are relatively rare.


Are we going to dsicuss this rationally? My source goes on to say....

"The chemical composition of the earth is quite a bit different from that of the universe. The most abundant element in the earth's crust is oxygen, making up 46.6% of the earth's mass. Silicon is the second most abundant element (27.7%), followed by aluminum (8.1%), iron (5.0%), calcium (3.6%), sodium (2.8%), potassium (2.6%). and magnesium (2.1%). These eight elements account for approximately 98.5% of the total mass of the earth's crust. Of course, the earth's crust is only the outer portion of the earth. Future research will tell us about the composition of the mantle and core."

I know, I was just having a little fun.
I corrected my original post to strike the line about carbon being the most abundant element.
That is a fascinating article, btw.

[Bo D]

there is some truth to the grape thing, at least according to wiki........http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_from_the_United_Kingdom

Henry, you yourself have shown that Wkikpedia is not a rliable source for anything other than basic information.

Do you check anything before YOU decide what is or isn't true....
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_most_abundant_element_in_the_universe_carbon_or_hydrogen

from the same wiki source?.........which one do you go with?....

For instance...read the wiki arcticle carefully ...
"The Romans introduced wine making to the United Kingdom, and even tried to grow grapes as far north as Lincolnshire. However, the British climate was simply too cold and too wet to grow grapes for making wine. Winemaking continued at least down to the time of the Normans with over 40 vineyards in England as mentioned in the Domesday Book"

The British climate was too cold yet "Winemaking continued at least down to the time of the Normans with over 40 vineyards in England as mentioned in the Domesday Book" ??????

Contradiction within a single paragraph.

[Henry Hawk]

Henry, you yourself have shown that Wkikpedia is not a rliable source for anything other than basic information.

For instance...read the wiki arcticle carefully ...
"The Romans introduced wine making to the United Kingdom, and even tried to grow grapes as far north as Lincolnshire. However, the British climate was simply too cold and too wet to grow grapes for making wine. Winemaking continued at least down to the time of the Normans with over 40 vineyards in England as mentioned in the Domesday Book"

The British climate was too cold yet "Winemaking continued at least down to the time of the Normans with over 40 vineyards in England as mentioned in the Domesday Book" ??????

Contradiction within a single paragraph.

I do take wiki info with a grain of salt..........but, the only point I was getting at...the wine industry is not the way it once was, because of the cooler climate that it now has...

[Bo D]

...the wine industry is not the way it once was, because of the cooler climate that it now has...

We have already discounted that assertion also...back on page 8....

BTW, that part about not being able to grow grapes in England ... LIE!!!!!!

http://www.englishwineproducers.com/

"Englands vineyards are spread throughout the country, although the majority are still in the southern half of the counrty, there are more and more being planted further north"

[Sandy Eggo]

What exactly do you think that proves relative to the issue of global warming? Seriously.

[Bo D]

What exactly do you think that proves relative to the issue of global warming? Seriously.

Who? Me?

My point is that England is currently warmimg up, but once the warming reaches a certain point, it could cause the Arctic ice sheet to melt. This would totally disrupt the Gulf Stream and plunge western Europe (which does include Egland) into a deep freeze.

[Sandy Eggo]

I'm sorry, question was intended for those who are basing their arguement on grape growing.

[Sandy Eggo]

Okay, I'm not doing well on the cell today..."the question"...and "basing their arguement against global warming".  I'll wait until I'm in front of the computer to comment further.

[Henry Hawk]

http://english.pravda.ru/science/earth/106922-earth_ice_age-0

Earth on the Brink of an Ice Age