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Started by American_Woman, January 03, 2009, 06:25:34 PM

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American_Woman

Quote from: kimmi on January 04, 2009, 03:38:14 PM
Yes how many of those 18 or 19 year old boys that get charged with it because they slept with their 16 year old girlfriend and her mom got pissed!! 

They should find 18 plus year olds to have as a lover.
What doesn't kill me only makes me stronger or can be postponed while I eat chocolate!

pariann

Apparently you chose to overlook where I said that I believe if it's real love the man will not pursue her until she is of age.

I still don't believe that a man falling in love with one girl who is under the age of consent makes him a pedophile.   Is he a pedophile if he meets that same girl when she's 34 and he's 44 and he falls in love with her?   

I won't get into the spiritual aspect of souls who know one another on a subconscious level. 

What it all comes down to is how the adult conducts themselves towards the minor.
Looks like I've come full circle.

Henry Hawk

I think it should ALWAYS be between the parents.....NOT the government......that is why, marriage is a very important institution....the father is 'giving' away his daughter...and in most cases, before the eyes of God....to make a "life long" commentment between a man and a woman....at least that is the way it was intended..........and has be completely..."bastardized" (for the lack of a better word)....for me, I'm pretty certain, that Mr. Presley would have to come back in four years, to even begin a realtionship with my daughter...and I hope by that time, I have taught my daughter to be able to make "wise" decisions for herself.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Sandy Eggo

Marriage is a legal contract so therefore the governement is involved. Marriage for love or in the eyes of a god is a totally different matter altogether. In otherwords, you can have a life long commitment w/out a marriage license. That's when the government becomes involved.
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Henry Hawk

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on January 05, 2009, 10:40:02 AM
Marriage is a legal contract so therefore the governement is involved. Marriage for love or in the eyes of a god is a totally different matter altogether. In otherwords, you can have a life long commitment w/out a marriage license. That's when the government becomes involved.

I'm saying that, at least for those who choose to take God's word for what it is...........Marriage is MORE than a "legal contract"....and YES, the gov IS definatly involved...I want or wish, the marriage institution, could be revered MORE than what it is....it is MY personal belief, that, the lack of those who choose to take "marriage" as a sacred bond, is why we have this HUGE moral decay in our society today.......and Sandy, I agree that you can have a life long commitment w/out a marriage license..........and would prefer THAT over a piece of paper that can be revoked for a few $$.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

American_Woman

Quote from: pariann on January 04, 2009, 07:47:06 PM
Apparently you chose to overlook where I said that I believe if it's real love the man will not pursue her until she is of age.

I still don't believe that a man falling in love with one girl who is under the age of consent makes him a pedophile.   Is he a pedophile if he meets that same girl when she's 34 and he's 44 and he falls in love with her?   

I won't get into the spiritual aspect of souls who know one another on a subconscious level. 

What it all comes down to is how the adult conducts themselves towards the minor.

I didn't choose to overlook anything. No 24 year old man who lusts for a 14 year old girl is going to not pursue her. That was my point in saying what I said.
What doesn't kill me only makes me stronger or can be postponed while I eat chocolate!

pariann

Okay, you are using the word lust.  Love does not necessarily equate to lust.  Why does it have to be lust?  Why can't it be love? 

I have to say, I've been in love, and sex with that person was not uppermost in my mind.  But having them in my life was.  I think that some of the people are jumping to conclusions about the thought processes of others.

Looks like I've come full circle.

American_Woman

Quote from: pariann on January 05, 2009, 07:39:23 PM
Okay, you are using the word lust.  Love does not necessarily equate to lust.  Why does it have to be lust?  Why can't it be love? 

You love your 14 year old cousin. That's one thing,but if you fall in love with a 14 year old then there's
a serious problem. I love my sister but I'm not in love with her. To think romantic about a 14 year old at the age of 24 years old isn't right to me. CC I'm sure you've seen some cute kids,but you aren't in love with them. I've seen some cute kids with adorable smiles,but I am not in love with them.


I have to say, I've been in love, and sex with that person was not uppermost in my mind.  But having them in my life was.  I think that some of the people are jumping to conclusions about the thought processes of others.

Were you 24 years old and he was 14 years old? Was he 24 years old and you were 14 years old?
Adults have trouble understanding being in love so how does a 14 year old know anything about it? They think they do,but they don't. How many teens have different boyfriends or girlfriends every other month?  You don't see anything wrong with being in love with a teen and I do.  Jumping to conclusions? I don't think so. I just don't agree with you on this. *Shrugs*


What doesn't kill me only makes me stronger or can be postponed while I eat chocolate!

pariann

You aren't the only one with a difference of opinion.  I said nothing at all about the teen being in love with the 24 year old.  But there is more to what I'm thinking than just someone seeing someone they think is pretty or cute.  I just won't go into it here, because I'm not trying to sway anyone's opinion of what they think a pedophile is.  I am just expressing my opinion that a man falling in love with ONE teenager, does not make him a pedophile.  If a man preferred to only have some kind of relationship with teenage girls, and the goal was to initiate intimate contact to satisfy his own desires, then that would be a pedophile.  I just don't believe in labeling everyone with one name, when there may be a completely different motive behind the feelings of someone. 

Does that mean I'm going to let my two younger daughters have relationships with older men?  NO!  But I would expect that if it's true love, that older man won't approach my daughter until she is of legal age.
Looks like I've come full circle.