Lets not convolute the question.....
Did it start by accident?
Did it start by intelligent design?
Did it start by aliens?
Does it make a difference?
Well, I honestly don't think anyone knows for sure, but for the sake of discussion, I'd like to ask you a question. Define "life".
Quote from: PIYA on April 21, 2008, 10:19:44 AM
Well, I honestly don't think anyone knows for sure, but for the sake of discussion, I'd like to ask you a question. Define "life".
Conversation is all this IS about.......Life?..... :confused:....you tell me.
No Henry, you asked the original question and I'm clarifying. I need to know what you consider "life". What was living?
Quote from: PIYA on April 21, 2008, 10:42:46 AM
No Henry, you asked the original question and I'm clarifying. I need to know what you consider "life". What was living?
Okay.......okay...you don't have to yell at me....
okay.................Lets say the origin of mankind....
I wasn't yelling :razz: THIS IS YELLING! But I don't like to do that it hurts my eyes. ;D
I think the origin of mankind is an easier answer since I don't think the first life on earth was mankind. I think it can be traced back farther than even the plant life. I think it can be traced back to the elements and so therefore mankind is all about chemistry.
Quote from: PIYA on April 21, 2008, 10:49:54 AM
I wasn't yelling :razz: THIS IS YELLING! But I don't like to do that it hurts my eyes. ;D
I think the origin of mankind is an easier answer since I don't think the first life on earth was mankind. I think it can be traced back farther than even the plant life. I think it can be traced back to the elements and so therefore mankind is all about chemistry.
so are you saying that some chemicals got mixed together somehow..........and man was developed?.......
serious question.....
A chemical reaction? Biogenesis? sure I think that is the most likely explanation.
Quote from: PIYA on April 21, 2008, 11:18:07 AM
A chemical reaction? Biogenesis? sure I think that is the most likely explanation.
Where did the chemical reaction originate?.....how was it created?..........was it always around?...........let me ask...when did it ALL start? and how?
Is it REALLY unreasonable to conclude that there was an intelligent designer?
here's an experiment for ya, hank. you can do this in your own home.
get some dirty dishes - lasagna pans work best. put 'em in a sink full of warm water, preferably near a window. now go on vacation for about a month.
when you get back, tell us where life comes from.
Quote from: awol on April 21, 2008, 12:42:57 PM
here's an experiment for ya, hank. you can do this in your own home.
get some dirty dishes - lasagna pans work best. put 'em in a sink full of warm water, preferably near a window. now go on vacation for about a month.
when you get back, tell us where life comes from.
so awol, you are saying we came from garbage?.. :confused: THAT is the best argument I have heard yet...........If not from God then it's GARBAGE... :yes: gotcha... ;)
not exactly.
what i am saying is that conditions are perfect for life (as we know it) on this planet. lot's 'o water and sunshine. all it takes are a few chemical compounds to swirl together for a billion years or so, and viola'.
Quote from: awol on April 21, 2008, 12:52:10 PM
not exactly.
what i am saying is that conditions are perfect for life (as we know it) on this planet. lot's 'o water and sunshine. all it takes are a few chemical compounds to swirl together for a billion years or so, and viola'.
and God had nothing to do with it?.........
Why do you think he did? If god created all of this just for us, there is certainly an excessive amount of places in his creation where we can't live. Last I checked, this was the only place. Also, next time something like Shoemaker-Levy 9 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_Shoemaker-Levy_9) rolls around, and the odds aren't in Earth's favor, we might not be able to live here either. :wink:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 21, 2008, 01:08:29 PM
and God had nothing to do with it?.........
can't speak to that. nobody (living) can, with any certainty.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 21, 2008, 09:40:11 AM
Lets not convolute the question.....
Did it start by accident?
Did it start by intelligent design?
Did it start by aliens?
Does it make a difference?
One of the major, if not THE major, problem with creationist thinking is that, not only does it not understand the science, it has it arse-backwards.
This is a tough one to not only grasp, but to explain so that others may understand.
Creationist thinking has the specific condition of this planet that supports life as we know it (mankind) being put in place in the beginning by a creator.
The reality is that life developed, and changed, on this planet over time as the conditions of the planet changed.
Which is why we have so many fossils of extinct lifeforms, and if the conditions hadn't changed to favor mammalian hominids and for them to develop a high-order intellect, mankind wouldn't be here to contemplate either a 'creator' or being 'created'.
Which is also why any life found on other orbs in the universe will not necessarily resemble any life found on earth. The conditions of the other orbs will be different.
Which also means we may have to alter our conception of what constitutes life as we explore the universe.