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Title: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: libby on October 08, 2016, 09:16:40 AM
The following is from today's paper version of The Washington Post, page 1, then continued in the Style (women's) section. I watched it live yesterday evening. Had been watching coverage of the hurricane. Moved away from that to see what else was in the news, and encountered a different kind of storm  :eek: on MSNBC. Watched it unfold nonstop -- except for quick bathroom breaks and food -- until 11 p.m.

The Washington Post
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Trump recorded having extremely lewd conversation about women in 2005

In this video from 2005, Donald Trump prepares for an appearance on "Days of Our Lives" with actress Arianne Zucker. He is accompanied to the set by "Access Hollywood" host Billy Bush. The Post has edited this video for length.
(Obtained by The Washington Post)

By David A. Fahrenthold October 8 at 12:44 AM
Donald Trump bragged in vulgar terms about kissing, groping and trying to have sex with women during a 2005 conversation caught on a hot microphone, saying that "when you're a star, they let you do it," according to a video obtained by The Washington Post.

The video captures Trump talking with Billy Bush, then of "Access Hollywood," on a bus with the show's name written across the side. They were arriving on the set of "Days of Our Lives" to tape a segment about Trump's cameo on the soap opera.

Late Friday night, following sharp criticism by Republican leaders, Trump issued a short video statement saying, "I said it, I was wrong, and I apologize." But he also called the revelation "a distraction from the issues we are facing today." He said that his "foolish" words are much different than the words and actions of Bill Clinton, whom he accused of abusing women, and Hillary Clinton, whom he accused of having "bullied, attacked, shamed and intimidated his victims."

"I've never said I'm a perfect person, nor pretended to be someone that I'm not. I've said and done things I regret, and the words released today on this more than a decade-old video are one of them. Anyone who knows me knows these words don't reflect who I am," Trump said.

In an apparent response to Republican critics asking him to drop out of the race, he said: "We will discuss this more in the coming days. See you at the debate on Sunday."

Donald Trump releases statement about vulgar 2005 recording  Play Video1:31
Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump released a video statement saying comments from a 2005 video in which he bragged about groping women emerged "don't reflect" who he is. (Donald J. Trump)
The tape includes audio of Bush and Trump talking inside the bus, as well as audio and video once they emerge from it to begin shooting the segment.

In that audio, Trump discusses a failed attempt to seduce a woman, whose full name is not given in the video.

"I moved on her, and I failed. I'll admit it," Trump is heard saying. It was unclear when the events he was describing took place. The tape was recorded several months after he married his third wife, Melania. (bold mine. libby)

"Whoa," another voice said.

"I did try and f--- her. She was married," Trump says.

Trump continues: "And I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said, 'I'll show you where they have some nice furniture.'"

"I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn't get there. And she was married," Trump says. "Then all of a sudden I see her, she's now got the big phony tits and everything. She's totally changed her look."

At that point in the audio, Trump and Bush appear to notice Arianne Zucker, the actress who is waiting to escort them into the soap-opera set.

"Your girl's hot as s---, in the purple," says Bush, who's now a co-host of NBC's "Today" show.

"Whoa!" Trump says. "Whoa!"

"I've got to use some Tic Tacs, just in case I start kissing her," Trump says. "You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait."

"And when you're a star, they let you do it," Trump says. "You can do anything."

"Whatever you want," says another voice, apparently Bush's.

"Grab them by the p---y," Trump says. "You can do anything."

[Down-ballot Republican candidates brace for impact of Trump comments]

A spokeswoman for NBC Universal, which produces and distributes "Access Hollywood," declined to comment.

"This was locker-room banter, a private conversation that took place many years ago. Bill Clinton has said far worse to me on the golf course — not even close," Trump said in a statement. "I apologize if anyone was offended."

Billy Bush, in a statement released by NBC Universal, said: "Obviously I'm embarrassed and ashamed. It's no excuse, but this happened eleven years ago — I was younger, less mature, and acted foolishly in playing along. I'm very sorry."

After the video appeared online Friday afternoon, Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton wrote on Twitter: "This is horrific. We cannot allow this man to become president." Her running mate, Sen. Tim Kaine (Va.), told reporters, "It makes me sick to my stomach," while campaigning in Las Vegas.

Planned Parenthood Action Fund, which has endorsed Clinton, issued a statement from Executive Vice President Dawn Laguens saying: "What Trump described in these tapes amounts to sexual assault."

Trump was also criticized by members of his own party. House Speaker Paul D. Ryan, who said he is "sickened" by Trump's comments, said the Republican presidential candidate will no longer appear with him at a campaign event in Wisconsin on Saturday.

"Women are to be championed and revered, not objectified. I hope Mr. Trump treats this situation with the seriousness it deserves and works to demonstrate to the country that he has greater respect for women than this clip suggests," Ryan said in a statement.

In a short statement issued moments after Ryan's, Trump said his running mate, Indiana Gov. Mike Pence, "will be representing me" at the Wisconsin event.

Sen. Kelly Ayotte (N.H.), who is running for reelection and has said she will vote for Trump, called his comments "totally inappropriate and offensive."

Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus, who has stood by Trump uncritically through numerous controversies, said in a statement: "No woman should ever be described in these terms or talked about in this manner. Ever."

Former presidential candidate Mitt Romney, a Trump critic, said in a statement: "Hitting on married women? Condoning assault? Such vile degradations demean our wives and daughters and corrupt America's face to the world."

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said the comments are "repugnant, and unacceptable in any circumstance" and made clear Trump's brief statement would not suffice.

"As the father of three daughters, I strongly believe that Trump needs to apologize directly to women and girls everywhere, and take full responsibility for the utter lack of respect for women shown in his comments on that tape," he said late Friday.

One of Trump's most prominent social-conservative supporters, Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council, told BuzzFeed's Rosie Gray: "My personal support for Donald Trump has never been based upon shared values."

Trump's running mate, Pence, was at a diner in Toledo when the news broke — about to view the diner's collection of signed cardboard hot-dog buns, which includes one signed by Trump. But the reporters traveling with Pence were quickly ushered out of the diner by campaign staff, before they could ask Trump's running mate about it, according to Politico. Politico reported that the journalists, traveling in Pence's "protective pool," were not permitted to film Pence as he left the diner.

The tape appears at a time when Trump, the Republican presidential nominee, has sought to make a campaign issue out of his opponent's marriage. Trump has criticized former president Bill Clinton for his past infidelity and criticized opponent Hillary Clinton as her husband's "enabler."

"Hillary Clinton was married to the single greatest abuser of women in the history of politics," Trump told the New York Times in a recent interview. "Hillary was an enabler, and she attacked the women who Bill Clinton mistreated afterward. I think it's a serious problem for them, and it's something that I'm considering talking about more in the near future."

Trump carried on a very public affair with Marla Maples — his eventual second wife — while still married to first wife Ivana Trump.

Trump has been criticized in this campaign for derogatory and lewd comments about women, including some made on TV and live radio. In an interview Wednesday with KSNV, a Las Vegas television station, Trump said that those comments were made for entertainment.

"A lot of that was done for the purpose of entertainment. There's nobody that has more respect for women than I do," he told the station.

"Are you trying to tone it down now?" asked the interviewer, Jim Snyder.

"It's not a question of trying, it's very easy," Trump said.

The tape obtained by The Post seems to have captured Trump in a private moment, with no audience beyond Bush and a few others on the bus. It appears to have been shot around Sept. 16, 2005, which was the day media reports said Trump would tape his soap-opera cameo.

The video shows the bus carrying Trump and Bush turning down a street on the studio back lot. The two men cannot be seen.

"Oh, nice legs, huh?" Trump says.

"Oof, get out of the way, honey," Bush says, apparently referencing somebody else blocking the view of Zucker.

The two men then exit the bus and greet Zucker.

"We're ready, let's go," Trump says, after the initial greetings. "Make me a soap star."

"How about a little hug for the Donald?" Bush says. "He just got off the bus."

"Would you like a little hug, darling?" Zucker says.

"Absolutely," Trump says. As they embrace, and air-kiss, Trump says, "Melania said this was okay."

The video then follows Trump, Bush and Zucker into the studio. Trump did appear on "Days of Our Lives" in late October. In a tape of that cameo posted online, Zucker's character asks Trump — playing himself — for a job at his business, and tells him suggestively, "I think you'll find I'm a very willing employee. Working under you, I think, could be mutually beneficial."

Trump's character gives her the brushoff.

"That's an interesting proposition," Trump says on-screen. "I'll get back to you."

A publicist for Zucker did not immediately respond to questions on Friday afternoon.

Rosalind S. Helderman, Mike DeBonis, Jenna Johnson and Sarah Parnass contributed to this report.

Also read: Trump Foundation ordered to stop fundraising by N.Y. attorney general's office

Trump prepares for debate rebound but refuses to be controlled

Billy Bush was already polarizing. This makes it much worse.

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David A. Fahrenthold covers the 2016 presidential campaign for The Washington Post. He has been at the Post since 2000, and previously covered Congress, the federal bureaucracy, the environment, and the D.C. police.  Follow @Fahrenthold

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Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Locutus on October 08, 2016, 02:08:55 PM
Oh, that's just locker room talk.  </sarcasm>
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: me on October 08, 2016, 02:33:24 PM
With Bill's track record and her record defending him I think Hill better leave that one alone. I do believe Bill's as bad or worse.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Locutus on October 08, 2016, 03:11:21 PM
Quote from: me on October 08, 2016, 02:33:24 PM
With Bill's track record and her record defending him I think Hill better leave that one alone. I do believe Bill's as bad or worse.

I don't think Hillary needs to say a thing about this.  Trump is sinking his own ship quite well without her help.  ;D
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: The Troll on October 08, 2016, 04:14:32 PM
Quote from: me on October 08, 2016, 02:33:24 PM
With Bill's track record and her record defending him I think Hill better leave that one alone. I do believe Bill's as bad or worse.


  There you go again Sweet Pootooie.  Saying something you can't prove.  Why don't you let the Donald grab you ***** and give you a thrill for a change.  :haha:  :haha:


                        :4th3: :4th3: Vote for the ***** grabber Donald Trump :4th3: :4th3:   And make America great again, one grab and a time.  :pigdance:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: bjayers on October 09, 2016, 12:02:25 AM
Minutiae.  Small minds = small thoughts.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: bjayers on October 09, 2016, 12:16:36 AM
You know, it really is "locker room talk".  Nothing more.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: me on October 09, 2016, 12:24:27 AM
How many presidents had things like this no one knew about? Did that have anything to do with whether they made good presidents? Clinton is a slime bucket and he got elected twice. There are women out there who are groupies and most men will take advantage of that or at least discuss it in private with their buddies, whether they use the same language Trump did is neither her nor there, this is simply a distraction from the issues so people will be more focused on this than what is being said tomorrow night and you can bet the people asking the questions will try to dwell on it rather than the issues as will Hillary.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Palehorse on October 09, 2016, 12:42:07 AM
The GOP is practically stampeding to distance themselves from Trump and seeking ways to replace him.  :rotfl:

You cannot make this shit up. . .
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: AbbyTC on October 09, 2016, 12:43:53 AM
Quote from: bjayers on October 09, 2016, 12:16:36 AM
You know, it really is "locker room talk".  Nothing more.

No it's not.  He's perpetuating a rape culture where women are objectified and are here to please men sexually. "Grab them by the p***y" is sexual assault, plain and simple.  Is this the way you want your wife, daughter, sister thought of?  This is not the only time he has said disparaging comments about women. It's definitely a pattern with him.  You have a man that wants to be president saying those kinds of things about women, what do you expect men are going to do? Boys and teens are listening to what he is saying and they are going to think it is ok.  Have you been sexually assaulted Bjayers?  If you have or are close to someone who has, your viewpoint might change.  I have been sexually assaulted and hearing his words makes me sick. 

One more thing, when was the last time you walked down a street and had to worry about someone making cat calls at you and wonder if you were going to get attacked?  That happened to me yesterday.  When was the last time you were at work and had to keep an eye on a customer because of the way they looked at you and started following you?  That happened to me last week.  "There is implicit sexism all though American culture that is absorbed by men and boys every single day. Male privilege is real, and most men exert it in big and small ways without realizing it on a daily basis. Even well-meaning men can and do behave in sexist ways." from an article on Politicus USA  Sexual Assault Isn't Locker Room Talk: It's Time For Men To Join Women In Rejecting Trump.

"That's the world where Donald Trump lives: a world where men are people, and women are women. Not quite people. Something different. That's why Trump was always famously telling female employees that a man was better than a woman, but that a good woman is better than 10 good men. Would you say this about any other category of person and treat it like a compliment? No, of course you would not.He lives in a world where the highest compliment you can give a woman — even your own daughter — is that you would sleep with her. And it's not creepy, because — well, what else might a woman possibly want?  That is the awful thing about this conversation. It is not that it is especially lewd, although it is. It is not that it is violent and awful and wrong, although it is. It is the fact that it is, within certain circles, still quite normal. It's the fact that Donald Trump used, as a defense, the idea that he'd said much worse.  It's the fact that when Billy Bush heard him, Bush did not stop the bus they were riding on and say, "MY GOD, MAN, YOU ARE SICK! THIS IS SICK! THIS IS AWFUL!" He nodded. He laughed. You had the sense that Donald Trump could have escalated still further — past non-consensually grabbing people by the p—y (that's sexual assault, by the way) — and into building himself a coat from female skin before Bush would have begun pushing back." From the Washington Post. 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: me on October 09, 2016, 12:44:51 AM
Quote from: Palehorse on October 09, 2016, 12:42:07 AM
The GOP is practically stampeding to distance themselves from Trump and seeking ways to replace him.  :rotfl:

You cannot make this shit up. . .
I guess NBC is beating that drum but I heard otherwise from some party members.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Palehorse on October 09, 2016, 12:47:54 AM
Quote from: me on October 09, 2016, 12:44:51 AM
I guess NBC is beating that drum but I heard otherwise from some party members.

:rolleyes:

The National leadership of the GOP are beating the drum there sweetheart. Pay attention. Even the Anti-Christ Himself has canceled the next VP debate because there is no defense possible.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: me on October 09, 2016, 12:50:14 AM
Quote from: AbbyTC on October 09, 2016, 12:43:53 AM
No it's not.  He's perpetuating a rape culture where women are objectified and are here to please men sexually. "Grab them by the p***y" is sexual assault, plain and simple.  Is this the way you want your wife, daughter, sister thought of?  This is not the only time he has said disparaging comments about women. It's definitely a pattern with him.  You have a man that wants to be president saying those kinds of things about women, what do you expect men are going to do? Boys and teens are listening to what he is saying and they are going to think it is ok.  Have you been sexually assaulted Bjayers?  If you have or are close to someone who has, your viewpoint might change.  I have been sexually assaulted and hearing his words makes me sick. 

One more thing, when was the last time you walked down a street and had to worry about someone making cat calls at you and wonder if you were going to get attacked?  That happened to me yesterday.  When was the last time you were at work and had to keep an eye on a customer because of the way they looked at you and started following you?  That happened to me last week.  "There is implicit sexism all though American culture that is absorbed by men and boys every single day. Male privilege is real, and most men exert it in big and small ways without realizing it on a daily basis. Even well-meaning men can and do behave in sexist ways." from an article on Politicus USA  Sexual Assault Isn't Locker Room Talk: It's Time For Men To Join Women In Rejecting Trump.

"That's the world where Donald Trump lives: a world where men are people, and women are women. Not quite people. Something different. That's why Trump was always famously telling female employees that a man was better than a woman, but that a good woman is better than 10 good men. Would you say this about any other category of person and treat it like a compliment? No, of course you would not.He lives in a world where the highest compliment you can give a woman — even your own daughter — is that you would sleep with her. And it's not creepy, because — well, what else might a woman possibly want?  That is the awful thing about this conversation. It is not that it is especially lewd, although it is. It is not that it is violent and awful and wrong, although it is. It is the fact that it is, within certain circles, still quite normal. It's the fact that Donald Trump used, as a defense, the idea that he'd said much worse.  It's the fact that when Billy Bush heard him, Bush did not stop the bus they were riding on and say, "MY GOD, MAN, YOU ARE SICK! THIS IS SICK! THIS IS AWFUL!" He nodded. He laughed. You had the sense that Donald Trump could have escalated still further — past non-consensually grabbing people by the p—y (that's sexual assault, by the way) — and into building himself a coat from female skin before Bush would have begun pushing back." From the Washington Post.
Get a grip they're words and nothing more.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Palehorse on October 09, 2016, 12:51:56 AM
Quote from: me on October 09, 2016, 12:50:14 AM
Get a grip they're words and nothing more.

Hypocrite.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: me on October 09, 2016, 12:52:08 AM
Quote from: Palehorse on October 09, 2016, 12:47:54 AM
:rolleyes:

The National leadership of the GOP are beating the drum there sweetheart. Pay attention. Even the Anti-Christ Himself has canceled the next VP debate because there is no defense possible.
Then they're stupid and doing exactly what the Hillary campaign planned on them doing. If she can't steal this election one way she'll do it another.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: me on October 09, 2016, 12:54:03 AM
Quote from: Palehorse on October 09, 2016, 12:51:56 AM
Hypocrite.
I don't thinks so. Ya'll excused Bill for his actions but are vilifying Trump for just words spoken years ago. Now that's being a hypocrite.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: AbbyTC on October 09, 2016, 12:55:01 AM
Quote from: me on October 09, 2016, 12:50:14 AM
Get a grip they're words and nothing more.

So you'd be ok if your husband or son said that? 
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Locutus on October 09, 2016, 12:55:49 AM
Quote from: me on October 09, 2016, 12:52:08 AM
Then they're stupid and doing exactly what the Hillary campaign planned on them doing. If she can't steal this election one way she'll do it another.

:rolleyes:

As I've pointed out before, Trump is throwing torpedoes on himself by his own words and actions.  Clinton doesn't need to say a thing. 
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: me on October 09, 2016, 01:00:14 AM
Quote from: AbbyTC on October 09, 2016, 12:55:01 AM
So you'd be ok if your husband or son said that?
Don't have a son but words are words and he was speaking about groupies and saying what he could do because they are the way they are. My husband used to be a musican and those things happen to them too. It's life and talking about it is just that and stating fact. It happens to women too because there are also male groupies so it could very well be women, or some women, would talk about their experiences with men groupies. Like I said, get a grip.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Palehorse on October 09, 2016, 01:02:49 AM
Quote from: me on October 09, 2016, 12:54:03 AM
I don't thinks so. Ya'll excused Bill for his actions but are vilifying Trump for just words spoken years ago. Now that's being a hypocrite.

No one excused him, including me during his time as POTUS. Congress Impeached him for his actions and beyond that there was nothing more to be done. He was punished within the law. . .

Put Trumps words into the sitting POTUS's mouth before he was elected, and you'd be leading the call for his head on a platter.

So yeah; hypocrite.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: me on October 09, 2016, 01:30:02 AM
Quote from: Palehorse on October 09, 2016, 01:02:49 AM
No one excused him, including me during his time as POTUS. Congress Impeached him for his actions and beyond that there was nothing more to be done. He was punished within the law. . .

Put Trumps words into the sitting POTUS's mouth before he was elected, and you'd be leading the call for his head on a platter.

So yeah; hypocrite.
Clinton was in the WH and not just talking he was doing the deed. Of course that depends on what the definition of "is' is.  :rolleyes: Oh ya, he did not have sex with that woman.....He didn't consider a bj as sex. Remember?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: The Troll on October 09, 2016, 11:11:57 AM
Quote from: me on October 09, 2016, 01:30:02 AM
Clinton was in the WH and not just talking he was doing the deed. Of course that depends on what the definition of "is' is.  :rolleyes: Oh ya, he did not have sex with that woman.....He didn't consider a bj as sex. Remember?


    WHO IN HELL CARES WHAT BILL CLINTON DID 20 YEARS AGO, Clarabell :jester:  That's water over the dam.  Donald Trump is a pervert, male chauvist pig :hogslop:  and he likes to feel all the women's pu$$ie$, just because he can.  :haha:  Just smell his finger.   :sick:   :haha:

  Any other man that would do it would be in jail.  :jail:  Here kitty  :kitty:  Here kitty  :swish:  Here kitty, have some milk. :milk:  I say, I say he's a sneaky freak. :sneaky:  :trustme:  :tiphat:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Palehorse on October 09, 2016, 04:21:36 PM
Quote from: me on October 09, 2016, 01:30:02 AM
Clinton was in the WH and not just talking he was doing the deed. Of course that depends on what the definition of "is' is.  :rolleyes: Oh ya, he did not have sex with that woman.....He didn't consider a bj as sex. Remember?


Asked and answered.

Quote from: Palehorse on October 09, 2016, 01:02:49 AM
No one excused him, including me during his time as POTUS. Congress Impeached him for his actions and beyond that there was nothing more to be done. He was punished within the law. . .

Put Trumps words into the sitting POTUS's mouth before he was elected, and you'd be leading the call for his head on a platter.

So yeah; hypocrite.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: me on October 09, 2016, 05:53:59 PM
Quote from: Palehorse on October 09, 2016, 04:21:36 PM

Asked and answered.
Some of these people doing the judging have probably said or done things that would prohibit them from running but yet the are putting him down for something that happened years ago not giving consideration to the fact he may have changed. It is a distraction and nothing more and the timing of it coming out proves that. I hope he handles himself well tonight and makes her look like a fool. I doubt NBC will allow that though. Can't wait to hear Hill's scripted answers to her prearranged questions.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Palehorse on October 09, 2016, 06:26:16 PM
Quote from: me on October 09, 2016, 05:53:59 PM
Some of these people doing the judging have probably said or done things that would prohibit them from running but yet the are putting him down for something that happened years ago not giving consideration to the fact he may have changed. It is a distraction and nothing more and the timing of it coming out proves that. . .

Straight out of the Conservative GOP playbook that you guys have been running for the last 9 or so years.

Sucks doesn't it?  :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: The Troll on October 09, 2016, 07:50:48 PM
Quote from: bjayers on October 09, 2016, 12:02:25 AM
Minutiae.  Small minds = small thoughts.

  You should know what a small mind is, you got one.  :haha:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Palehorse on October 09, 2016, 08:05:51 PM
Here's some additional things Rump is "going to regret":

One woman sued Donald Trump's Miami resort saying she lost her job because she got pregnant.

Two others claimed they were fired after complaining that co-workers sexually harassed them.

And a number of women testified in a lawsuit that Trump himself repeatedly instructed managers to hire younger, prettier workers at his Los Angeles golf club.

. . .In one lawsuit, a female supervisor at Trump National Golf Club near Los Angeles said Trump pulled her aside one day to complain about hiring.

"I want you to get some good looking hostesses here," Trump told Sue Kwiatkowski, she recounted in a sworn statement corroborated by many other employees' testimony. She said he went on to say, "People like to see good looking people when they come in." Managers acted on Trump's directive, she and colleagues testified, to hire younger and "prettier" staff and to make sure other female workers were not seen whenever the big boss visited.

Another supervisor testified she refused to fire a female employee even after her boss threatened punishment, citing Trump's desire for the woman to be fired because she was "fat."

One married waitress testified that Trump always flirted with her, asking whenever she served him whether she was "still happily married." She didn't like it, but felt powerless to complain about a powerful, famous man like Trump. . . .


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/10/09/trumps-lawsuits-include-20-involving-allegations-mistreating-women-president-republican/91832012/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/10/09/trumps-lawsuits-include-20-involving-allegations-mistreating-women-president-republican/91832012/)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Palehorse on October 09, 2016, 08:22:34 PM
Quote from: me on October 09, 2016, 05:53:59 PM
Some of these people doing the judging have probably said or done things that would prohibit them from running but yet the are putting him down for something that happened years ago not giving consideration to the fact he may have changed. It is a distraction and nothing more and the timing of it coming out proves that. . . .

Seriously? So I expect you will come out against Trump's decision today to hold a press conference with BILL Clinton's accusers and one additional woman that had her attacker defended by Hillary Clinton in 1975?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Exterminator on October 10, 2016, 07:36:09 AM
Quote from: AbbyTC on October 09, 2016, 12:55:01 AM
So you'd be ok if your husband or son said that?

Women who have allowed themselves to be treated like trash their entire lives will find nothing wrong with Trump's words.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: The Troll on October 10, 2016, 09:28:21 AM
Quote from: Exterminator on October 10, 2016, 07:36:09 AM
Women who have allowed themselves to be treated like trash their entire lives will find nothing wrong with Trump's words.


  Are you saying that :me: would like to be treated that way, it seems to me she would like such treatment.  :sneaky:  :haha:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: me on October 10, 2016, 09:49:27 AM
Hum, it was ok for ya'll to trash talk Sarah Palin and her daughter calling them vile names but Trump saying the word he did in a private conversation about no one in particular expept groupies has your panties in a wad????????  You are the last people who should be judging Trump.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Exterminator on October 10, 2016, 10:16:09 AM
Quote from: me on October 10, 2016, 09:49:27 AM
Hum, it was ok for ya'll to trash talk Sarah Palin and her daughter calling them vile names but Trump saying the word he did in a private conversation about no one in particular expept groupies has your panties in a wad????????  You are the last people who should be judging Trump.

Are we running for POTUS?  No, so shut your pie hole.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: me on October 10, 2016, 10:36:17 AM
Quote from: Exterminator on October 10, 2016, 10:16:09 AM
Are we running for POTUS?  No, so shut your pie hole.
He wasn't either at the time so shut yours. Also Clinton was govenor and president at the time his little dirty deeds happened and old Hillary said disgusting things about his victims. If those things were disgusting for him, Trump, to say it's equally as disgusting for anyone else to say especially when you're naming a person or people.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Exterminator on October 10, 2016, 10:51:33 AM
Quote from: me on October 10, 2016, 10:36:17 AM
He wasn't either at the time so shut yours.

He is now.  Just because you have no self-respect and have allowed men to treat you like this doesn't mean it's ok for most women.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: me on October 10, 2016, 05:20:12 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on October 10, 2016, 10:51:33 AM
He is now.  Just because you have no self-respect and have allowed men to treat you like this doesn't mean it's ok for most women.
I do have self respect but I am also realistic. Don't you suppose during his drug days Obama may have been like that? Look at Kennedy for instance, he had many affairs as did other of our presidents, but you think he was a great president. Biden is our vp and every time you turn around he's groping some woman standing next to him.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: The Troll on October 10, 2016, 06:52:12 PM
Quote from: me on October 10, 2016, 05:20:12 PM
I do have self respect but I am also realistic. Don't you suppose during his drug days Obama may have been like that? Look at Kennedy for instance, he had many affairs as did other of our presidents, but you think he was a great president. Biden is our vp and every time you turn around he's groping some woman standing next to him.

  You are one of the biggest fools here on the Zone.  :busted: :trustme: 
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: AbbyTC on October 10, 2016, 06:53:21 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on October 10, 2016, 07:36:09 AM
Women who have allowed themselves to be treated like trash their entire lives will find nothing wrong with Trump's words.

Didn't think of that.  And if not treated like trash, are subservient to men (a lot of your evangelical christian women) and feel they need to accept that kind of disrespect. 
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: me on October 11, 2016, 12:56:12 AM
He was talking about groupies for pete's sake and they are like that about "stars". He was not talking about women in general. Are you all naive enough to believe there aren't women out there whose main goal is to sleep with people like him or stars in general? Any musician can tell you there are always women, or men if the star/famous person/musician happens to be a woman, hanging all over them. Some ignore them, some take advantage of the situation, but they are bound to talk about it to someone at some point even if it's in disgust about how they act. Get over it and start paying attention to the real issues.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Exterminator on October 11, 2016, 08:06:14 AM
Quote from: AbbyTC on October 10, 2016, 06:53:21 PM
Didn't think of that.  And if not treated like trash, are subservient to men (a lot of your evangelical christian women) and feel they need to accept that kind of disrespect.

Exactly.  The person on this forum defending Trump has actually stated here that she allowed herself to be abused by her first husband.  The first time, you're a victim; after that, you're a volunteer.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: libby on October 11, 2016, 12:03:49 PM
I've written here before about my first boss, a Bluefield doctor, a radiologist, who was like a surrogate father to me as my own father lay dying of lung cancer in the same hospital. Dr. D. read x-rays and I typed as he talked. I didn't realize it at the time but he was working in some life lessons. One that I was not sure I understood because I'd never had a real boyfriend, had never really been kissed, was: "Libby, women give sex to get love, men give love to get sex."

Now, many years later, as one of five girls, no brothers, and the mother of a daughter and son, I guess maybe that's true some of the time, perhaps a lot if not most of the time, but as I think about it, the lines between male and female behavior begin to blur, so ....   
(I am in no way defending Donald Trump. I consider him a scary aberration.)


Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: me on October 11, 2016, 04:00:30 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on October 11, 2016, 08:06:14 AM
Exactly.  The person on this forum defending Trump has actually stated here that she allowed herself to be abused by her first husband.  The first time, you're a victim; after that, you're a volunteer.
What does that have to do with what Trump said anyway?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Purplelady1040 on October 11, 2016, 06:16:38 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on October 11, 2016, 08:06:14 AM
Exactly.  The person on this forum defending Trump has actually stated here that she allowed herself to be abused by her first husband.  The first time, you're a victim; after that, you're a volunteer.
Similar to me telling my kids, the first time its a mistake, the second time a choice.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: bjayers on October 11, 2016, 11:00:40 PM
Quote from: Palehorse on October 09, 2016, 12:42:07 AM
The GOP is practically stampeding to distance themselves from Trump and seeking ways to replace him.  :rotfl:

You cannot make this shit up. . .
They are afraid of him.  He will take away their livelihood.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: me on October 12, 2016, 12:01:31 AM
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on October 11, 2016, 06:16:38 PM
Similar to me telling my kids, the first time its a mistake, the second time a choice.
And I ask again. What does this have to do with Trump. Also I might add that's ex hubby so I guess I quit putting up with it. Why can't you people leave personal attcks out of things since they really have nothing to do with the issues being discussed?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: me on October 12, 2016, 12:09:23 AM
Seems like the current POTUS is a little proud of his manhood and likes to show it off to female reporters. So is this acceptable to you all? Now keep in mind this is CNN and not Fox. Where is his respect for women and why couldn't he have remained sitting?

https://www.youtube.com/v/04RhsO_fyZQ
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Purplelady1040 on October 12, 2016, 12:12:35 AM
Quote from: me on October 12, 2016, 12:01:31 AM
And I ask again. What does this have to do with Trump. Also I might add that's ex hubby so I guess I quit putting up with it. Why can't you people leave personal attcks out of things since they really have nothing to do with the issues being discussed?
You are the one voting for the man so it is a mistake. And you have a better choice but you are too stupid to see that.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Exterminator on October 12, 2016, 08:33:56 AM
Quote from: me on October 12, 2016, 12:01:31 AM
And I ask again. What does this have to do with Trump.

Everything.  You not only excuse but defend his behavior because it's what you're used to.  Successful, educated women whose self-worth extends beyond their value as a piece of meat find him boorish and adolescent.

QuoteAlso I might add that's ex hubby so I guess I quit putting up with it.

After how long?

QuoteWhy can't you people leave personal attcks out of things since they really have nothing to do with the issues being discussed?

Context.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: me on October 12, 2016, 09:51:58 AM
Quote from: Exterminator on October 12, 2016, 08:33:56 AM
Everything.  You not only excuse but defend his behavior because it's what you're used to.  Successful, educated women whose self-worth extends beyond their value as a piece of meat find him boorish and adolescent.

After how long?

Context.
No, personal attacks have nothing to do with the issues since it is not relevent and if you watched the video I posted Obama is obviously no saint in that dept and you think he did a fine job as POTUS. Look at Kennedy's behaviour with women and you thought he was a great POTUS too. Why single out Trump? Clinton is a womanizer and Hillary said disgusting things about the women he victimized plus laughed about getting a man off who raped a 12 yr old and you think she would be a good POTUS. Why would you excuse one and vilify another? How do you excuse their behaviour and not Trumps?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Exterminator on October 12, 2016, 10:07:15 AM
There you go again regurgitating every right-wing talking point without ever actually doing any research to find out what is or isn't true.   Trump is the perfect candidates for you dullards.   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Purplelady1040 on October 12, 2016, 10:49:07 AM
Quote from: me on October 12, 2016, 09:51:58 AM
No, personal attacks have nothing to do with the issues since it is not relevent and if you watched the video I posted Obama is obviously no saint in that dept and you think he did a fine job as POTUS. Look at Kennedy's behaviour with women and you thought he was a great POTUS too. Why single out Trump? Clinton is a womanizer and Hillary said disgusting things about the women he victimized plus laughed about getting a man off who raped a 12 yr old and you think she would be a good POTUS. Why would you excuse one and vilify another? How do you excuse their behaviour and not Trumps?
I haven't seen one ounce of proof that Obama ever was a womanizer or had an affair in Michele so where is your proof on that.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: me on October 12, 2016, 01:08:18 PM
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on October 12, 2016, 10:49:07 AM
I haven't seen one ounce of proof that Obama ever was a womanizer or had an affair in Michele so where is your proof on that.
So what he did on that video is perfectly fine with you then and you don't mind what Hillary did to a 12 yr old girl or how she trashed those women Bill took advantage of?
Quote from: Exterminator on October 12, 2016, 10:07:15 AM
There you go again regurgitating every right-wing talking point without ever actually doing any research to find out what is or isn't true.   Trump is the perfect candidates for you dullards.   :rolleyes:
And you're not using left talking points?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: The Troll on October 12, 2016, 01:19:18 PM
Quote from: me on October 12, 2016, 01:08:18 PM
So what he did on that video is perfectly fine with you then and you don't mind what Hillary did to a 12 yr old girl or how she trashed those women Bill took advantage of? And you're not using left talking points?

  Hillary did her job of defending the man, Dumbass.  If anyone let him off it was the legal system, the jury and the judge.  How do you know the so called little girl wasn't lying ***** Cat.   :kitty:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Exterminator on October 12, 2016, 01:34:47 PM
Quote from: me on October 12, 2016, 01:08:18 PM
So what he did on that video is perfectly fine with you then...

What you neocons are suggesting about that video is a figment of your warped imaginations.  If that's really what you see there, you need serious therapy.

Quote...and you don't mind what Hillary did to a 12 yr old girl...

According to our Constitution, everyone accused of a crime, no matter how heinous, is entitled to an attorney to defend them.  Hillary did not want that case; she was forced to take it and required by law to defend her client to the best of her ability.  If you don't like the way our system works, pack your shit and leave.

I'm sure you are aware, by the way, that there is a lawsuit pending against Trump for raping a 13 year old girl at Jeffrey Epstein's mansion in the 90's?  Trump is not merely defending a pedophile; he is one.

QuoteAnd you're not using left talking points?

No, I'm using facts.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: The Troll on October 12, 2016, 01:49:05 PM


  I know that the "N" word is maybe wrong in this society, but when did pussie become a bad word.  When in hell is wrong with saying pussie but you can say pu$$y or pu33y, but the word ***** is wrong.  What do you call the ***** Willow bush.  Or would you call it the Pu$$y Willow bush.  It sure is becoming a shitty world if you can't say ***** Willow or ***** cat or the book Puss and Boots.

  *****  *****  *****  *****   P$$SY  :meow: :swish: :milk: :kitty:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Purplelady1040 on October 12, 2016, 03:40:33 PM
Quote from: me on October 12, 2016, 01:08:18 PM
So what he did on that video is perfectly fine with you then and you don't mind what Hillary did to a 12 yr old girl or how she trashed those women Bill took advantage of? And you're not using left talking points?
It is like Ex and Troll stated, she took the case and defended the person to the best of her ability. If she was working as a public defender, you do realize that they can not pick and choose who they have for clients. The jury and judge are the ones who determined the sentence.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Purplelady1040 on October 12, 2016, 03:41:27 PM
Quote from: The Troll on October 12, 2016, 01:49:05 PM

  I know that the "N" word is maybe wrong in this society, but when did pussie become a bad word.  When in hell is wrong with saying pussie but you can say pu$$y or pu33y, but the word ***** is wrong.  What do you call the ***** Willow bush.  Or would you call it the Pu$$y Willow bush.  It sure is becoming a shitty world if you can't say ***** Willow or ***** cat or the book Puss and Boots.

  *****  *****  *****  *****   P$$SY  :meow: :swish: :milk: :kitty:
P**sy cat
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: me on October 12, 2016, 05:05:24 PM
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on October 12, 2016, 03:40:33 PM
It is like Ex and Troll stated, she took the case and defended the person to the best of her ability. If she was working as a public defender, you do realize that they can not pick and choose who they have for clients. The jury and judge are the ones who determined the sentence.
Then why did she have to laugh like it was funny and accuse the girl of asking for it?  Here's your people who are insulted and Hillary suppoters.



Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Purplelady1040 on October 12, 2016, 06:26:08 PM
Quote from: me on October 12, 2016, 05:05:24 PM
Then why did she have to laugh like it was funny and accuse the girl of asking for it?  Here's your people who are insulted and Hillary suppoters.
Were you at the trial and heard her actually laugh? Were you there and heard her say the girl was asking for it? Hate to tell you but most lawyers always think the rape victim is asking for it, it is part of the defense for them when defending someone.   Have you ever been in court where lawyers tend to laugh to cover up nervousness? There are lots of people who will laugh at inappropriate times and that is no means making fun of anyone.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: me on October 12, 2016, 07:51:59 PM
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on October 12, 2016, 06:26:08 PM
Were you at the trial and heard her actually laugh? Were you there and heard her say the girl was asking for it? Hate to tell you but most lawyers always think the rape victim is asking for it, it is part of the defense for them when defending someone.   Have you ever been in court where lawyers tend to laugh to cover up nervousness? There are lots of people who will laugh at inappropriate times and that is no means making fun of anyone.
It was not a nervous laugh and for her to say that was totally inexcusable and just as demeaning as what Trump said towards any woman that's raped. It's ridiculous some of the excuses you come up for her. This was a 12 yr old girl not a grown woman.

She knew this man was guilty.

https://www.youtube.com/v/Tor00iWUhDQ
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Purplelady1040 on October 12, 2016, 08:47:37 PM
Quote from: me on October 12, 2016, 07:51:59 PM
It was not a nervous laugh and for her to say that was totally inexcusable and just as demeaning as what Trump said towards any woman that's raped. It's ridiculous some of the excuses you come up for her. This was a 12 yr old girl not a grown woman.

She knew this man was guilty.

https://www.youtube.com/v/Tor00iWUhDQ
You wouldn't know whether it was a nervous laugh or not since you weren't in the courtroom with her. Here's a clue for you, go to a criminal Court system and you will find attornies laugh due to nervousness. You don't know how they act in a courtroom and you sure to hell don't know how they act or how you would even act, so get off your damn high horse and quit thinking you are so perfect because you aren't.
By the way, it is like has been explained to you at least a couple of hundred times, she was given the case even though she didn't want it so her job was to get her client off. Like I have posted earlier if she was a public defender, she didn't get the luxury of picking and choosing her cases. You do know that public defenders don't get that choice, don't you? Blame the jury since they were the ones who determine innocence or guilt, you do know that is what a jury is for?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: me on October 12, 2016, 09:18:21 PM
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on October 12, 2016, 08:47:37 PM
You wouldn't know whether it was a nervous laugh or not since you weren't in the courtroom with her. Here's a clue for you, go to a criminal Court system and you will find attornies laugh due to nervousness. You don't know how they act in a courtroom and you sure to hell don't know how they act or how you would even act, so get off your damn high horse and quit thinking you are so perfect because you aren't.
By the way, it is like has been explained to you at least a couple of hundred times, she was given the case even though she didn't want it so her job was to get her client off. Like I have posted earlier if she was a public defender, she didn't get the luxury of picking and choosing her cases. You do know that public defenders don't get that choice, don't you? Blame the jury since they were the ones who determine innocence or guilt, you do know that is what a jury is for?
She could have withdrawn. What if that had been your 12 yr old daughter? You just keep on excusing her if you want but wrong is wrong and that little girl suffered because of what was done to her.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Purplelady1040 on October 12, 2016, 09:44:40 PM
Quote from: me on October 12, 2016, 09:18:21 PM
She could have withdrawn. What if that had been your 12 yr old daughter? You just keep on excusing her if you want but wrong is wrong and that little girl suffered because of what was done to her.
You can't withdraw if the case is assigned to you. Again, you don't know how the legal system works. Public defenders don't get that choice and she was assigned this case. She didn't want it but she had no choice. I don't know if she was working as a public defender or even a prosecutor for the state but they can't deny cases and they are assigned cases.  Geez, you continue to amaze one with your lack of knowledge on how the legal system works. She wasn't a private attorney who gets to pick and choose the cases they want. Do you understand that?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: AbbyTC on October 12, 2016, 10:41:53 PM
Quote from: me on October 12, 2016, 09:18:21 PM
She could have withdrawn. What if that had been your 12 yr old daughter? You just keep on excusing her if you want but wrong is wrong and that little girl suffered because of what was done to her.

She asked to be excused from the case but wasn't allowed to.  She did not want to take the case at all. 
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: The Troll on October 12, 2016, 11:27:52 PM
Quote from: AbbyTC on October 12, 2016, 10:41:53 PM
She asked to be excused from the case but wasn't allowed to.  She did not want to take the case at all.

  :me:  The old broad is beating a dead horse.  :deadhorse:  :doh:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: me on October 13, 2016, 01:58:13 AM
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on October 12, 2016, 09:44:40 PM
You can't withdraw if the case is assigned to you. Again, you don't know how the legal system works. Public defenders don't get that choice and she was assigned this case. She didn't want it but she had no choice. I don't know if she was working as a public defender or even a prosecutor for the state but they can't deny cases and they are assigned cases.  Geez, you continue to amaze one with your lack of knowledge on how the legal system works. She wasn't a private attorney who gets to pick and choose the cases they want. Do you understand that?
But she didn't have to do what she did concerning the evidence. You know public defenders aren't always on top of things and she went out of her way to get this guy off.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Purplelady1040 on October 13, 2016, 05:10:04 AM
Quote from: me on October 13, 2016, 01:58:13 AM
But she didn't have to do what she did concerning the evidence. You know public defenders aren't always on top of things and she went out of her way to get this guy off.
Dumbass, that is the job of a public defender to get them off or if a prosecutor to get the person found guilty. You have to be the dumbest person I have ever seen post. All public defenders work to get their client off even if that person is guilty. That is the job of the jury to determine innocence or guilt. You really need to go sit in a criminal trial sometime.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Exterminator on October 13, 2016, 07:48:57 AM
The truth about Hillary's rape defense. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/10/11/the-facts-about-hillary-clinton-and-the-kathy-shelton-rape-case/)  Now move along with your lies, me.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Locutus on October 13, 2016, 09:12:17 AM
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on October 12, 2016, 12:12:35 AM
You are the one voting for the man so it is a mistake. And you have a better choice but you are too stupid to see that.

What choice is that?  You don't like Clinton either, and I'm quite sure you're not voting for her. 
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: libby on October 13, 2016, 10:16:49 AM
Quote from: Exterminator on October 13, 2016, 07:48:57 AM
The truth about Hillary's rape defense. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/10/11/the-facts-about-hillary-clinton-and-the-kathy-shelton-rape-case/)
I was getting ready to post exactly the same thing. Glad I checked here first. 
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Purplelady1040 on October 13, 2016, 11:03:36 AM
Quote from: Locutus on October 13, 2016, 09:12:17 AM
What choice is that?  You don't like Clinton either, and I'm quite sure you're not voting for her.
I am not voting for Trump so that only leaves Hillary. Had we had better candidates running against her than I might not be voting for her but she is better than Trump.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: me on October 13, 2016, 11:04:46 AM
Go ahead and keep excusing her sorry ass if you must. I didn't like her when Bill was POTUS and I don't like her now and I will not vote for her even if my vote is wasted.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Exterminator on October 13, 2016, 11:23:33 AM
Quote from: me on October 13, 2016, 11:04:46 AM
Go ahead and keep excusing her sorry ass if you must. I didn't like her when Bill was POTUS and I don't like her now and I will not vote for her even if my vote is wasted.

How is pointing out that you're a liar excusing anything?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Locutus on October 13, 2016, 01:22:16 PM
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on October 13, 2016, 11:03:36 AM
I am not voting for Trump so that only leaves Hillary. Had we had better candidates running against her than I might not be voting for her but she is better than Trump.

I thought I read somewhere where you said you aren't voting for her.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: me on October 13, 2016, 03:20:11 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on October 13, 2016, 11:23:33 AM
How is pointing out that you're a liar excusing anything?
You're excusing her bahaviour by calling me a liar and saying that was a nervous laugh. I happen to see it differently than you so I guess I could call you a liar for saying it was a nervous laugh.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Purplelady1040 on October 13, 2016, 03:32:49 PM
Quote from: Locutus on October 13, 2016, 01:22:16 PM
I thought I read somewhere where you said you aren't voting for her.
No, I hadn't made up my mind a while back and even had said that but she is the only one really qualified to do the job. I would rather have her than a hot head like Trump.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Exterminator on October 13, 2016, 03:35:58 PM
Quote from: me on October 13, 2016, 03:20:11 PM
You're excusing her bahaviour by calling me a liar and saying that was a nervous laugh.

I provided you with the facts of the case (which are available from a wide variety of sources) and you continue to repeat the same lies even after they have been soundly disproven.  That makes you a liar.

QuoteI happen to see it differently than you so I guess I could call you a liar for saying it was a nervous laugh.

No, but it certainly does illustrate why you are a perfect example of the Dunning Kruger effect. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Purplelady1040 on October 13, 2016, 03:40:34 PM
Quote from: me on October 13, 2016, 03:20:11 PM
You're excusing her bahaviour by calling me a liar and saying that was a nervous laugh. I happen to see it differently than you so I guess I could call you a liar for saying it was a nervous laugh.
He wasn't the one that said it was a nervous laugh, you can't even keep up with who posted that.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: me on October 13, 2016, 03:45:39 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on October 13, 2016, 03:35:58 PM
I provided you with the facts of the case (which are available from a wide variety of sources) and you continue to repeat the same lies even after they have been soundly disproven.  That makes you a liar.

No, but it certainly does illustrate why you are a perfect example of the Dunning Kruger effect. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect)
Nope, just happen to see things differently. Not everyone can see things the same and trying to bully or coerce someone into viewing things as you do is not going to work on everyone.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: me on October 13, 2016, 03:47:21 PM
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on October 13, 2016, 03:40:34 PM
He wasn't the one that said it was a nervous laugh, you can't even keep up with who posted that.
It was said period no matter who said it they were calling me a liar and I will not engage in a pissing match with you over nit picking crap.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Purplelady1040 on October 13, 2016, 04:02:21 PM
Quote from: me on October 13, 2016, 03:47:21 PM
It was said period no matter who said it they were calling me a liar and I will not engage in a pissing match with you over nit picking crap.
But you do engage in nit picking crap when you have been told the reasons Hillary had to take the case and you continue to argue that she didn't have too.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: AbbyTC on October 13, 2016, 07:29:55 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on October 13, 2016, 03:35:58 PM
I provided you with the facts of the case (which are available from a wide variety of sources) and you continue to repeat the same lies even after they have been soundly disproven.  That makes you a liar.

No, but it certainly does illustrate why you are a perfect example of the Dunning Kruger effect. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect)

Facts!  Ha!  Who needs them?  ;)  I have found my Trump supporting friends won't believe them.    :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: me on October 13, 2016, 08:22:06 PM
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on October 13, 2016, 04:02:21 PM
But you do engage in nit picking crap when you have been told the reasons Hillary had to take the case and you continue to argue that she didn't have too.
She didn't have to dig as hard to find a way to get him off once she know he really did do it. The girl was seriously hurt not just raped.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Locutus on October 13, 2016, 08:25:58 PM
Quote from: me on October 13, 2016, 08:22:06 PM
She didn't have to dig as hard to find a way to get him off once she know he really did do it. The girl was seriously hurt not just raped.

You've got to be kidding?  :roll eyes:

Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Purplelady1040 on October 13, 2016, 08:26:48 PM
Quote from: me on October 13, 2016, 08:22:06 PM
She didn't have to dig as hard to find a way to get him off once she know he really did do it. The girl was seriously hurt not just raped.
Again, if she was a public defender, it is her job to get that person off. Do you not get that or are you being obtuse? I vote obtuse. Ask any public defender and they will tell you it is the job to get that person off and if a prosecuting attorney to get them found guilty.
You keep harping on this.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Purplelady1040 on October 13, 2016, 08:28:24 PM
Quote from: Locutus on October 13, 2016, 08:25:58 PM
You've got to be kidding?  :roll eyes:
I don't think she is.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: me on October 13, 2016, 08:42:16 PM
Quote from: Locutus on October 13, 2016, 08:25:58 PM
You've got to be kidding?  :roll eyes:
Most pd's don't defend people who really need defended let alone get someone who is guilty off and you know it.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Locutus on October 13, 2016, 08:45:30 PM
Quote from: me on October 13, 2016, 08:42:16 PM
Most pd's don't defend people who really need defended let alone get someone who is guilty off and you know it.

Jeezus!! You really are  :dizzy2: .



Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Purplelady1040 on October 13, 2016, 08:48:32 PM
Quote from: me on October 13, 2016, 08:42:16 PM
Most pd's don't defend people who really need defended let alone get someone who is guilty off and you know it.
Geez, you have no clue. Public defenders do not get to pick and choose their cases. That is a private attorney and even they will do what it takes to get their client off. You have absolutely no clue that an attorney is going to try their up most to get their client off.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: me on October 13, 2016, 08:49:42 PM
Quote from: Locutus on October 13, 2016, 08:45:30 PM
Jeezus!! You really are  :dizzy2: .
If you had enough money for an attorney would you let a public defender defend you?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: me on October 13, 2016, 08:53:27 PM
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on October 13, 2016, 08:48:32 PM
Geez, you have no clue. Public defenders do not get to pick and choose their cases. That is a private attorney and even they will do what it takes to get their client off. You have absolutely no clue that an attorney is going to try their up most to get their client off.
No, the courts appoint them and yes, they can turn them down, I know one who did but he had his own law practice too which may have made it a little different. He said he could not have lived with himself if he had defended this person knowing he was guilty as sin.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Purplelady1040 on October 13, 2016, 08:55:12 PM
Quote from: me on October 13, 2016, 08:49:42 PM
If you had enough money for an attorney would you let a public defender defend you?
Most public defenders are given to those who do not have the money to hire an attorney. If one hires a private attorney, they are going to do what it takes to get the client off.  Case in point, guy in the town I lived in killed his wife and he hires the best attorney in this town. The attorney he hired has been known to get people a reduced sentence but it is still up to the jury to determine innocence or guilt.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Purplelady1040 on October 13, 2016, 08:56:35 PM
Quote from: me on October 13, 2016, 08:53:27 PM
No, the courts appoint them and yes, they can turn them down, I know one who did but he had his own law practice too which may have made it a little different. He said he could not have lived with himself if he had defended this person knowing he was guilty as sin.
Want to bet? They can not turn them down here in the town I live in unless there is a conflict of interest. Most public defenders here don't have their own law practices so why would he have been a public defender. If the courts appoint them, public defenders really don't have much choice in the matter.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: me on October 13, 2016, 09:01:40 PM
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on October 13, 2016, 08:56:35 PM
Want to bet? They can not turn them down here in the town I live in unless there is a conflict of interest. Most public defenders here don't have their own law practices so why would he have been a public defender. If the courts appoint them, public defenders really don't have much choice in the matter.
He felt he could not do the job of defending him knowing he was guilty and that was good enough for the judge to appoint another PD. He has defended those he knew were guilty in the past but just could not bring himself to do it in this particular case due to the nature of the crime.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Purplelady1040 on October 13, 2016, 09:06:46 PM
Quote from: me on October 13, 2016, 09:01:40 PM
He felt he could not do the job of defending him knowing he was guilty and that was good enough for the judge to appoint another PD. He has defended those he knew were guilty in the past but just could not bring himself to do it in this particular case due to the nature of the crime.
By the way, according to www.quora.com, a public defender can not refuse to defend someone unless there is a conflict of interest. That could be the attorney is related to client or has had contact with the person outside of the legal system.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: me on October 13, 2016, 11:07:43 PM
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on October 13, 2016, 09:06:46 PM
By the way, according to www.quora.com, a public defender can not refuse to defend someone unless there is a conflict of interest. That could be the attorney is related to client or has had contact with the person outside of the legal system.
Is that one of those deals where people answer a question in a blog or forum forum rather than the actual law? Don't want to get a bunch of crap from them on my fb page if I log in with it.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Purplelady1040 on October 14, 2016, 01:33:13 AM
Quote from: me on October 13, 2016, 11:07:43 PM
Is that one of those deals where people answer a question in a blog or forum forum rather than the actual law? Don't want to get a bunch of crap from them on my fb page if I log in with it.
No, there is no log in and several other law sites also claimed the same thing. For someone who thinks they know about the law, you don't bother to check things out.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Exterminator on October 14, 2016, 08:32:58 AM
Quote from: Locutus on October 13, 2016, 08:25:58 PM
You've got to be kidding?  :roll eyes:

Ironic that the same people who claim Trump will uphold the Constitution appear to disagree with so many of its most fundamental principles.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: me on October 14, 2016, 10:16:06 AM
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on October 14, 2016, 01:33:13 AM

No, there is no log in and several other law sites also claimed the same thing. For someone who thinks they know about the law, you don't bother to check things out.
Hum, I was asked to log in.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Purplelady1040 on October 14, 2016, 11:16:51 AM
Quote from: me on October 14, 2016, 10:16:06 AM
Hum, I was asked to log in.
I wasn't.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: me on October 14, 2016, 11:30:40 AM
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on October 14, 2016, 11:16:51 AM
I wasn't.
Just as I suspected. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quora

Here is some of what this says: 
QuoteOperation

Quora requires users to register with their real names rather than an Internet pseudonym (screen name), and visitors unwilling to log in or use cookies have had to resort to workarounds to use the site.[27] Users may also log in with their Google or Facebook accounts using the OpenID protocol. They can upvote or downvote answers, and suggest edits to extant answers provided by other users. The Quora community includes some well-known people, such as Dustin Moskovitz, Jimmy Wales and Adrián Lamo.[8][28][29][30]

Quora has developed its own algorithm to rank answers, which works similarly to Google PageRank.[31] Quora uses Amazon Elastic Compute Cloud technology to host the servers that run its website.[32][33]
Financials

In March 2010, Quora received funding of $11 million from Benchmark Capital, valuing the start-up at $86 million.[34]

In May 2012, Quora raised $50 million in Series B funds, valuing the firm at over $400 million,[35][36] bringing their total funding to $61 million. Co-founder D'Angelo, who owns 0.8% of Facebook stock, also invested $20 million of his own money in the B round.[36]

In April 2014, Quora announced an $80 million Series C round of funding, valuing the firm at over $900 million. The funding was led by Tiger Global Management.[18][19][20][21]
Reception

Quora was reviewed extensively by the media in 2010.[37][38][39]

According to Robert Scoble, Quora succeeded in combining attributes of Twitter and Facebook.[40] Later, in 2011, Scoble criticized Quora for being a "horrid service for blogging," and although a decent question and answer website, not substantially better than competitors.[41]

In 2010, D'Angelo and Cheever were among five named "Smartest Engineer runner-up" in the "smartest people in the tech" article by CNNMoney.[42] They were also both listed in Inc. magazine's "Top 30 Under-30" entrepreneurs list of 2011.[43][44]
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Purplelady1040 on October 14, 2016, 11:55:33 AM
Quote from: me on October 14, 2016, 11:30:40 AM
Just as I suspected. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quora

Here is some of what this says:
I didn't have to log in or was asked. I put the question in about public defenders refusing clients and it popped up with no they do not have the right along with some other web sites.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Locutus on October 14, 2016, 12:07:46 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on October 14, 2016, 08:32:58 AM
Ironic that the same people who claim Trump will uphold the Constitution appear to disagree with so many of its most fundamental principles.

And there are a lot of them that think that way.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Exterminator on October 14, 2016, 12:53:06 PM
Quote from: Locutus on October 14, 2016, 12:07:46 PM
And there are a lot of them that think that way.

Indeed...they think hating the Constitution and loving Putin makes them real Americans.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: me on October 14, 2016, 01:00:56 PM
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on October 14, 2016, 11:55:33 AM
I didn't have to log in or was asked. I put the question in about public defenders refusing clients and it popped up with no they do not have the right along with some other web sites.
Then use one of the other links 'cause, obviously, you have to log in now and it is just people answering the questions.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Purplelady1040 on October 14, 2016, 01:46:16 PM
Quote from: me on October 14, 2016, 01:00:56 PM
Then use one of the other links 'cause, obviously, you have to log in now and it is just people answering the questions.
The other links say the same thing. Why don't you try looking up stuff for yourself or are you one if those always wanting a handout . Try criminal.lawyers.com or like I said type the question in and you will get your answer.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: Locutus on October 14, 2016, 01:54:23 PM
Quote from: me on October 14, 2016, 10:16:06 AM
Hum, I was asked to log in.

Operator error!  :razz: :biggrin:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Live: "I Regret Rude Chat in 2005"
Post by: me on October 14, 2016, 04:16:43 PM
Quote from: Locutus on October 14, 2016, 01:54:23 PM
Operator error!  :razz: :biggrin:
Quote from: me on October 14, 2016, 10:16:06 AM
Hum, I was asked to log in.
There's the screen shot.