This will be an interesting conversation as more comes to light.
Texas is a recent open carry state.
Quote from: Locutus on July 08, 2016, 01:22:34 AM
This will be an interesting conversation as more comes to light.
Texas is a recent open carry state.
Long guns utilized by multiple individuals firing from elevated positions at a protest over the recent police shootings. 12 officers were shot (UPDATED INFO) and 2 civilians with 5 LEO's dead. 1 suspect is dead as well, and 3 suspects are in custody. *
*- All of this information is coming from the media at this time. It is early.
I got very little sleep last night, this broke as I was heading to bed.....I was riveted to this. My heart goes out to everyone in Dallas. Very disturbing.
I watched until way up in the morning as well.
Quote from: Locutus on July 08, 2016, 01:22:34 AM
This will be an interesting conversation as more comes to light.
Texas is a recent open carry state.
The cops sure didn't see these weapons, this time. :stop:
No, but it points out some of the logistical issues these open carry states face. In an active shooter situation like this, where you have people who are exercising open carry privileges as provided by law, doesn't it become far more difficult to identify the bad guy(s), and thereby make it more difficult to provide safety for the good ones?
I cannot help but think that our POTUS who always rushes to judgement in so many of these situations, like recent LA cop/black shooting and the MN cop/black shooting....helps instigate what happened last night.
His constant speeches of racial injustice and police misconduct, only spurs incidents like last night, where the shooter has stated that he was targeting white people, especially white officers.....
He did this with Trayvon, and got it wrong....he did it with Michael Brown, and got it wrong....he did it with Freddie Gray, and got it wrong.
There have been riots and now, officers were killed.
Our nation is divided more than it has in several decades....
You guys keep suggesting Trump is a loose cannon, but Obama HAS INDEED proven to be a loose cannon, and now, innocent people has died.
He is to much of an ideologue instead of doing what is right.......he has also already turned this into a gun control issue, before these guys were even cold.
:rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:
I'm so through with the democrat party.....and for what it is worth, the republican party isn't far behind.
Exactly why we need Trump! I will shout from the roof tops until November.
I'm sick and I'm PISSED! :rant:
this guy sums it all up...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhjGMiwOS9Y
It breaks my heart that these officers were killed. Yes, there are bad police and deputies out there but there are good ones also. I don't care whether you are pink, white, black, red, yellow or purple polka dotted, all lives matter.
Now they are saying only one shooter and he is dead.
Quote from: Anne on July 08, 2016, 06:36:30 PM
Now they are saying only one shooter and he is dead.
After the two cops were shot and murdered in their cars while of duty in New York City, the shooting by the cops stopped and the petite arrest of black people dropped. The cops there must have got the message. :yes:
I said to my wife the day before these latest cops were killed. One day some army trained sniper will get even with these killer cops for killing black men. :yes: I sure hit that one. This is bound to make these cops think before they pull the trigger, 3 times, 4 times, 5 times and even full clips of 9mms. :yes: :rant:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 08, 2016, 04:34:27 PM
I cannot help but think that our POTUS who always rushes to judgement in so many of these situations, like recent LA cop/black shooting and the MN cop/black shooting....helps instigate what happened last night.
His constant speeches of racial injustice and police misconduct, only spurs incidents like last night, where the shooter has stated that he was targeting white people, especially white officers.....
He did this with Trayvon, and got it wrong....he did it with Michael Brown, and got it wrong....he did it with Freddie Gray, and got it wrong.
There have been riots and now, officers were killed.
Our nation is divided more than it has in several decades....
You guys keep suggesting Trump is a loose cannon, but Obama HAS INDEED proven to be a loose cannon, and now, innocent people has died.
He is to much of an ideologue instead of doing what is right.......he has also already turned this into a gun control issue, before these guys were even cold.
:rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:
I'm so through with the democrat party.....and for what it is worth, the republican party isn't far behind.
Exactly why we need Trump! I will shout from the roof tops until November.
I'm sick and I'm PISSED! :rant:
This is the same garbage that every racist on Facebook has been spewing all weekend. Obama becoming president didn't cause or widen any racial divide; it exposed the one that was already there. The irony is that people like you who are so intolerant of other races are the absolute worst examples of your own.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 11, 2016, 08:20:25 AM
This is the same garbage that every racist on Facebook has been spewing all weekend. Obama becoming president didn't cause or widen any racial divide; it exposed the one that was already there. The irony is that people like you who are so intolerant of other races are the absolute worst examples of your own.
Yup! I hate to say it, but I've seen the exact same thing being spewed on FB this weekend.
Quote from: Locutus on July 11, 2016, 09:15:29 AM
Yup! I hate to say it, but I've seen the exact same thing being spewed on FB this weekend.
They've even gone so far as to create an entirely false narrative surrounding Philando Castile saying that he was an armed robbery "suspect" who was carrying his weapon illegally. When I watched the video of the aftermath of that shooting, I see abject fear on the part of the cop which I believe caused him to overreact. Given the currently available information, I do not think that shooting was justified.
Alton Sterling, on the other hand, was a convicted violent felon carrying a weapon illegally who continued to resist even after non-lethal uses of force were employed. I think in that case the use of deadly force was justified.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 11, 2016, 09:35:53 AM
They've even gone so far as to create an entirely false narrative surrounding Philando Castile saying that he was an armed robbery "suspect" who was carrying his weapon illegally. When I watched the video of the aftermath of that shooting, I see abject fear on the part of the cop which I believe caused him to overreact. Given the currently available information, I do not think that shooting was justified.
I am not disputing this one...so far it "appears" the cop was wrong, but let's wait on the due process. Everybody was shouting that the cop in Ferguson was guilty, but due process clearly shows that Michael Brown attacked the cop.
This is another CLEAR case where Obama got it WRONG. He immediately fueled the fire, before the facts came in....
"Of course, it's important to remember how this started. We lost a young man, Michael Brown, in heartbreaking and tragic circumstances. He was 18 years old. His family will never hold Michael in their arms again. And when something like this happens, the local authorities—including the police—have a responsibility to be open and transparent about how they are investigating that death, and how they are protecting the people in their communities."
Instead of merely waiting on the report......Michael Brown was a thug, and punk, who robbed a store, then attacked a cop. The false narratives about "Hands up, don't shoot" was fueled by the liberal media, which led to unnecessary rioting and damage to stores.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 11, 2016, 10:35:39 AM
I am not disputing this one...so far it "appears" the cop was wrong, but let's wait on the due process.
Which is precisely why I began my statement with, "given the currently available information."
QuoteEverybody was shouting that the cop in Ferguson was guilty, but due process clearly shows that Michael Brown attacked the cop.
Not everyone. I thought that was a justifiable use of force from day one.
QuoteThis is another CLEAR case where Obama got it WRONG. He immediately fueled the fire, before the facts came in....
"Of course, it's important to remember how this started. We lost a young man, Michael Brown, in heartbreaking and tragic circumstances. He was 18 years old. His family will never hold Michael in their arms again. And when something like this happens, the local authorities—including the police—have a responsibility to be open and transparent about how they are investigating that death, and how they are protecting the people in their communities."
With which part of what Obama said do you disagree, specifically and how does this add fuel to any fire? Despite my support of the officer who was forced to shoot Michael Brown, it is still true that his family and community failed to do their jobs which ultimately resulted into his growing into the young man who ended up being shot by the police. I consider those circumstances heartbreaking and tragic and they're being played out in cities all over the country every single day.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 11, 2016, 10:35:39 AM
I am not disputing this one...so far it "appears" the cop was wrong, but let's wait on the due process. Everybody was shouting that the cop in Ferguson was guilty, but due process clearly shows that Michael Brown attacked the cop.
This is another CLEAR case where Obama got it WRONG. He immediately fueled the fire, before the facts came in....
"Of course, it's important to remember how this started. We lost a young man, Michael Brown, in heartbreaking and tragic circumstances. He was 18 years old. His family will never hold Michael in their arms again. And when something like this happens, the local authorities—including the police—have a responsibility to be open and transparent about how they are investigating that death, and how they are protecting the people in their communities."
Instead of merely waiting on the report......Michael Brown was a thug, and punk, who robbed a store, then attacked a cop. The false narratives about "Hands up, don't shoot" was fueled by the liberal media, which led to unnecessary rioting and damage to stores.
You're the typical white person who thinks the police have the right to beat, abuse and kill anyone who stands up to them as long as they don't do it to you. :mama: Are you saying that a little arm wrestling in a police car with the cop, the cop has the right to empty his gun into that person and kill him. Right Bird Brain? You know damn well that's plain. :bs:
But we all know that you are :bat: bat shit crazy :wacko: Bird Boy :chick:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 11, 2016, 11:03:50 AM
With which part of what Obama said do you disagree, specifically and how does this add fuel to any fire? Despite my support of the officer who was forced to shoot Michael Brown, it is still true that his family and community failed to do their jobs which ultimately resulted into his growing into the young man who ended up being shot by the police. I consider those circumstances heartbreaking and tragic and they're being played out in cities all over the country every single day.
He was pandering....he sent three officials to Browns funeral. That sends signals out to the community that are NOT encouraging to the Police Dept....why doesn't pander to the 300 plus who were killed in Chicago this year?
Quote from: The Troll on July 11, 2016, 12:15:24 PM
You're the typical white person who thinks the police have the right to beat, abuse and kill anyone who stands up to them as long as they don't do it to you. :mama: Are you saying that a little arm wrestling in a police car with the cop, the cop has the right to empty his gun into that person and kill him. Right Bird Brain? You know damn well that's plain. :bs:
But we all know that you are :bat: bat shit crazy :wacko: Bird Boy :chick:
I can't even comment on this foolishness........when you want to get serious about discussing. Grow up a little and get back with me.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 11, 2016, 12:37:09 PM
He was pandering...
Oh, the irony of a Trump supporter accusing Obama of pandering. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 11, 2016, 01:37:21 PM
Oh, the irony of a Trump supporter accusing Obama of pandering. :rolleyes:
;D
They just don't get it. It would be humorous if they didn't hold voter registration cards.
Quote from: Locutus on July 11, 2016, 01:43:21 PM
;D
They just don't get it. It would be humorous if they didn't hold voter registration cards.
Indeed. :biggrin:
Do you guys realize how ridicules you sound?
This is the same talk about you guys from nearly every water cooler in Indy.......
It cracks me up, you won't deny Obama is pandering though, you as always, just say "oh the irony".......but the fact is, Obama is INDEED pandering.
Yes, I can see all of you ***** Scabs gathered around the water cooler. :haha: I think it's more like standing around the poisoned Kool-Aid jug drinking it's juice. :koolaid: :food12: :kneel:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 11, 2016, 02:21:01 PM
Do you guys realize how ridicules you sound?
More irony! :biggrin:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 11, 2016, 02:21:01 PM
Do you guys realize how ridicules you sound?
This is the same talk about you guys from nearly every water cooler in Indy.......
It cracks me up, you won't deny Obama is pandering though, you as always, just say "oh the irony".......but the fact is, Obama is INDEED pandering.
Can you give specific examples of Obama pandering? Because I sure can provide you with examples of Trump pandering. :rolleyes:
Let's start here.
1. Trump has promised to build a wall and have Mexico pay for it. Given the fact that whole concept is laughable to begin with, it's especially so given the data that Ex provided. Trump says he'll build a wall despite the fact that do to so is nearly impossible. That's pandering.
2. Trump has said he'll bring coal jobs back. "We're going to mine so much coal," he said. Today's energy economics preclude that happening, despite anything that Trump may do. Either Trump is saying that for votes, or he's an idiot, or both. Take your pick. Despite all, he's promising miners their jobs back, but it isn't going to happen. That's pandering.
Those are just TWO examples of Trump pandering to idiots.
Where are your examples?
Quote from: Locutus on July 11, 2016, 02:56:13 PM
Can you give specific examples of Obama pandering? Because I sure can provide you with examples of Trump pandering. :rolleyes:
Let's start here.
1. Trump has promised to build a wall and have Mexico pay for it. Given the fact that whole concept is laughable to begin with, it's especially so given the data that Ex provided. Trump says he'll build a wall despite the fact that do to so is nearly impossible. That's pandering.
Wrong....go read what I just wrote in another thread...
Quote from: Locutus on July 11, 2016, 02:56:13 PM
2. Trump has said he'll bring coal jobs back. "We're going to mine so much coal," he said. Today's energy economics preclude that happening, despite anything that Trump may do. Either Trump is saying that for votes, or he's an idiot, or both. Take your pick. Despite all, he's promising miners their jobs back, but it isn't going to happen. That's pandering.
He may not completely save the coal industry, but he CAN slow down the pace it is now on shutting down.....he says he will keep coal miner jobs....and he can indeed do this. Perhaps, it will eventually go away...but he is fighting to keep them...and that is not pandering.
Quote from: Locutus on July 11, 2016, 02:56:13 PM
Those are just TWO examples of Trump pandering to idiots.
Where are your examples?
Instead of trying to be nurturing over the massacre in Dallas, he began pandering his Gun Control laws.....
He panders to ethnic groups all the time...by using racism, anytime he can't pass a bill.........Obamacare had a hard time because of racism....food stamps, racism....unemployment, racism....immigration, racism.
He panders on a daily basis....so does Hillary.
Four more cops shot in three different states.......... :rant: wtf?
That one that was shot in his car right by the police station was especially brutal. :mad:
Quote from: Locutus on November 21, 2016, 03:52:23 PM
That one that was shot in his car right by the police station was especially brutal. :mad:
Year ago I knew this was going to happen. :yes: The cops :police: brought it on themselves. You can't mistreat, beat up, shoot unarmed kids, women and men without expecting that you're going to get some of it yourselves. :mad: :mad: :mad: :rant: The cops :police: have become the enemy, a law unto themselves and revenue collectors :mad: :mad: :rant:
Quote from: The Troll on November 21, 2016, 07:40:29 PM
Year ago I knew this was going to happen. :yes: The cops :police: brought it on themselves. You can't mistreat, beat up, shoot unarmed kids, women and men without expecting that you're going to get some of it yourselves. :mad: :mad: :mad: :rant: The cops :police: have become the enemy, a law unto themselves and revenue collectors :mad: :mad: :rant:
Troll doing their job and one where maybe this officer and the others did nothing wrong doesn't make it right for them to be shot. As in all professions you have good and bad but to shoot someone like this for sitting in his car is cowardly and cold blooded.
Quote from: The Troll on November 21, 2016, 07:40:29 PM
Year ago I knew this was going to happen. :yes: The cops :police: brought it on themselves. You can't mistreat, beat up, shoot unarmed kids, women and men without expecting that you're going to get some of it yourselves. :mad: :mad: :mad: :rant: The cops :police: have become the enemy, a law unto themselves and revenue collectors :mad: :mad: :rant:
You are fucked up Troll........Sorry for my language, but you have a real problem and it isn't at all funny.....you f'ng piss me off when you talk like this........it is wrong, I don't know where to start.....but people like YOU is why we face problems like this.
I swore, I wasn't going to lower myself down to your level on here and argue....but DAMN!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 11, 2016, 10:35:39 AM
Everybody was shouting that the cop in Ferguson was guilty, but due process clearly shows that Michael Brown attacked the cop.
I never said that.
QuoteThis is another CLEAR case where Obama got it WRONG. He immediately fueled the fire, before the facts came in....
"Of course, it's important to remember how this started. We lost a young man, Michael Brown, in heartbreaking and tragic circumstances. He was 18 years old. His family will never hold Michael in their arms again. And when something like this happens, the local authorities—including the police—have a responsibility to be open and transparent about how they are investigating that death, and how they are protecting the people in their communities."
With which part of this do you disagree?
Quote from: Exterminator on November 22, 2016, 10:07:04 AM
With which part of this do you disagree?
Should be an interesting response. ;D
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 22, 2016, 09:07:14 AM
You are fucked up Troll........Sorry for my language, but you have a real problem and it isn't at all funny.....you f'ng piss me off when you talk like this........it is wrong, I don't know where to start.....but people like YOU is why we face problems like this.
I swore, I wasn't going to lower myself down to your level on here and argue....but DAMN!
Well bird brain and I do mean bird brain. :icon_twisted: Do you know that if a cop stops you and you are alone, he can beat the hell out of you, kill you and get away with it, even a big pu$$y like you. :rant: I can tell you don't read the amount of cop killing and beatings in the country each year. :rant: Why don't you dumbass, go to Youtube and watch all of the bullying, beatings, false arrest, mistreatment and killing, not alone all of the injuries cause by police shooting and beatings :rant:
Again I say, get your head out of your ass, stand up and look around, Blubber Mouth. :finger2: :kiss: it :mooning: