If the UK chooses to leave the EU, would it be good or bad for the US or a wash?
Quote from: Anne on June 21, 2016, 04:48:54 PM
If the UK chooses to leave the EU, would it be good or bad for the US or a wash?
I've seen predictions on both sides of the argument, but there are more on the bad side than the good. I know that since the U.S. is the largest single investor in Britain, a number of American corporations are pouring money into a campaign to keep the EU alliance together.
Even if they do decide to leave, it will be several years before they're officially able to exit. They'll have to renegotiate trade agreements with foreign countries, negotiate the exact terms of their exit with the EU, etc. So even if a vote in the affirmative occurs tomorrow, it'll be a few years before we see the full effects of the departure.
Quote from: Locutus on June 22, 2016, 10:05:35 AM
I've seen predictions on both sides of the argument, but there are more on the bad side than the good. I know that since the U.S. is the largest single investor in Britain, a number of American corporations are pouring money into a campaign to keep the EU alliance together.
Even if they do decide to leave, it will be several years before they're officially able to exit. They'll have to renegotiate trade agreements with foreign countries, negotiate the exact terms of their exit with the EU, etc. So even if a vote in the affirmative occurs tomorrow, it'll be a few years before we see the full effects of the departure.
I have heard both sides and how long it would take to be final. It seems to me that since it will take so long to complete the break the effects of it should be minimal. But I may not be seeing the whole picture. Thanks for your answer.
Quote from: Anne on June 22, 2016, 12:20:53 PM
I have heard both sides and how long it would take to be final. It seems to me that since it will take so long to complete the break the effects of it should be minimal. But I may not be seeing the whole picture. Thanks for your answer.
Well, they out!
DOW is down almost 400 points as I type this.
Yes, I had one of the news channels on last night when they announced the results and the Dow futures were down by 700 immediately. Nothing but panic.
Now down 530+.
Well, if you have a trip planned to the UK now is a good time because the pound is way down.
Quote from: Anne on June 25, 2016, 12:20:25 AM
Well, if you have a trip planned to the UK now is a good time because the pound is way down.
Absolutely.
That's one of the few good things that will come out of this in the short term. :yes:
According to Standard & Poors, there has been $2.08 trillion wiped off global equity markets since the exit vote. That's a bit of bad news.
Hope it straightens out soon. I have a long time fb friend who is from the Netherlands that married a guy from the UK and they now have 3 kids that is kind of concerned about her citizenship status since she they live in the UK where he's from now and she never became a citizen. Hope nothing comes of that.
Some of what's in play there is the same nationalism and racism that you see in Trump supporters here. :wink:
Quote from: Locutus on June 27, 2016, 03:01:46 PM
Some of what's in play there is the same nationalism and racism that you see in Trump supporters here. :wink:
I wish people would come down off that racism crap it's getting real old.
Quote from: me on June 27, 2016, 03:59:49 PM
I wish people would come down off that racism crap it's getting real old.
Doesn't make it any less true because you don't want to hear it.
Nationalism, fear of immigrants, and racism were HUGE factors in that vote whether you like it or not.
I believe in the present American race we have. :yes: I want the weakening of the American race too be stop with the influx of Muslims and Mexicans and with the other illegal aliens that are coming into America. :yes: Sorry, that's the way I feel. We need a rest from all of these aliens coming in. :wait: :4th4:
:4th3: :4th2: :4th3:
Stop watching Fox Troll. Please. . . .
Next thing we know you'll be voting Trump. . . :eek:
Quote from: Palehorse on June 27, 2016, 08:36:33 PM
Stop watching Fox Troll. Please. . . .
Next thing we know you'll be voting Trump. . . :eek:
Don't worry Horse, I wouldn't and couldn't vote for a stupid dumbass like Donald Trump. :groan:
Quote from: Locutus on June 27, 2016, 04:28:29 PM
Doesn't make it any less true because you don't want to hear it.
Nationalism, fear of immigrants, and racism were HUGE factors in that vote whether you like it or not.
Islam is not a race it's a religion. Do you want to live under Sharia law?
Quote from: me on June 28, 2016, 12:13:04 AM
Islam is not a race it's a religion. Do you want to live under Sharia law?
You really are fucking stupid. Read this:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/27/europe/racist-attacks-post-brexit/index.html
Excerpts from that article:
- Anti-immigrant leaflets saying "Leave the EU - no more Polish vermin" were put on cars near a school
- "I've spent most of the weekend talking to organizations, individuals and activists who work in the area of race hate crime, who monitor hate crime and they have shown some really disturbing early results from people being stopped in the street and saying look, we voted Leave, it's time for you to leave," she said.
- On Monday, the Muslim Council of Britain released a gallery of "100 hate incidents" it had taken from social media and called on the Home Secretary to step up security for migrants.
- Cards abusing Polish migrants in both English and Polish were left on cars and at properties around Huntingdon in Cambridgeshire, local police said. Resident Kathleen Gaynor said she had found one on her mother's doorstep, held down with a stone.
But don't let the facts get in the way of your narrow view of things. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on June 28, 2016, 12:13:04 AM
Islam is not a race it's a religion. Do you want to live under Sharia law?
Even though this statement is an attempt to take the subject off into the deep weeds, I'll make this commentary toward it:
You are imparting those aspects of extremism toward a religion in an attempt to impose religious persecution upon all; ironically one of the cornerstones of the foundation of this very nation itself. (Religious freedom / freedom FROM religion).
I get that England is staunchly against anything but hard-line Christianity. It should be no surprise to anyone that has paid even a passing interest in global history. This fact was the impetus behind the founding of the United States of America.
It also seems very clear to me that there is a sector of the population in this nation attempting to do the very same here; and Trump is their chosen figurehead.
Quote from: Palehorse on June 28, 2016, 10:02:26 AM
It also seems very clear to me that there is a sector of the population in this nation attempting to do the very same here; and Trump is their chosen figurehead.
ABSOLUTELY!! They comprise the majority of his supporters. :yes:
Quote from: Locutus on June 27, 2016, 01:03:43 PM
According to Standard & Poors, there has been $2.08 trillion wiped off global equity markets since the exit vote. That's a bit of bad news.
Now over $3 trillion wiped out.
http://money.cnn.com/2016/06/27/investing/brexit-consequences-2-trillion-lost/index.html
Quote from: Locutus on June 28, 2016, 12:18:46 PM
Now over $3 trillion wiped out.
http://money.cnn.com/2016/06/27/investing/brexit-consequences-2-trillion-lost/index.html
Cannot wait to see what happens when the US elects a Billionaire President and effectively dooms the middle-class to extinction! :mad:
Quote from: Palehorse on June 28, 2016, 02:27:54 PM
Cannot wait to see what happens when the US elects a Billionaire President and effectively dooms the middle-class to extinction! :mad:
Ain't gonna' happen despite Hank's predictions. ;D
Quote from: Locutus on June 28, 2016, 03:22:46 PM
Ain't gonna' happen despite Hank's predictions. ;D
Never underestimate the power of people in large groups. . . :eek:
Quote from: Palehorse on June 28, 2016, 02:27:54 PM
Cannot wait to see what happens when the US elects a Billionaire President and effectively dooms the middle-class to extinction! :mad:
It seems to me as if we are already DOOMED.....it gets harder and harder each year for the middle class. I'm willing to take a chance on the NON Politician. The Businessman. He still has to convince congress to pass anything. I think the American people are tired of the same old, same old.....Ever since the Clinton era, it has slowly gone down hill...the division of our country, the debt, the deficit, the decaying of America.
I can tell you the alternative to Trump is what scares the HELL out of me!....
And Locutus....I think that blue wall of yours is coming down and a new wall is going up.... :razz:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 28, 2016, 04:15:23 PM
It seems to me as if we are already DOOMED.....it gets harder and harder each year for the middle class. . .
Thanks to 8 years of "No" I can see why it is this way.
This is what happens when we have a lethargic, good for nothing, life time serving, "entitlement" congress! :mad:
Serve the almighty corporate conglomerate. That is all they do. :mad:
Quote from: Palehorse on June 28, 2016, 04:28:40 PM
Thanks to 8 years of "No" I can see why it is this way.
This is what happens when we have a lethargic, good for nothing, life time serving, "entitlement" congress! :mad:
Serve the almighty corporate conglomerate. That is all they do. :mad:
And if Hillary gets in, we will see four to eight more years of it....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 28, 2016, 04:29:55 PM
And if Hillary gets in, we will see four to eight more years of it....
I've got news for everyone; no matter who gets in we are going to see at minimum 4 years more of this horse crap. (In fact my personal opinion is it will continue until the entity pictured to the left of this posting comes for me).
The only way out of it is to vote each and every single incumbent out of office no matter what political affiliation they claim. Over the next several election cycles.
We MUST DEMAND term limits and an end to the lifetime jobs of these lazy bastards. They do NOT represent the average American citizen and could not care less about our struggles or declining quality of life. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
And putting a billionaire into office will do nothing but make it worse. Much worse.
I agree with much of what you said and I 100% disagree with a little of what you said...and I think you probably know exactly what I am talking about... :wink: :yes:
Quote from: me on June 27, 2016, 03:59:49 PM
I wish people would come down off that racism crap it's getting real old.
Quote from: Locutus on June 28, 2016, 09:31:09 AM
But don't let the facts get in the way of your narrow view of things. :rolleyes:
(CNN)Police in Manchester, England, arrested two young men and a teenager in connection with an apparent hate incident on a tram Tuesday.
Video of the incident, which shows several men taunting a male commuter who appears to be of mixed race, quickly drew outrage after being posted online.
The incident occurred about 7.40 a.m. local time. The video shows the victim in a heated exchange with the suspects, who call him an "immigrant" and tell him to "get back to Africa." Several of the suspects appear to be holding bottles of beer, and at one point a suspect tries to flick some of it on the victim.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/28/europe/manchester-uk-hate-crime-arrests-irpt/index.html
^^ No racism there, right 'me'?
That racism crap is getting really old. </sarcasm>
:roll eyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 28, 2016, 04:15:23 PM
And Locutus....I think that blue wall of yours is coming down and a new wall is going up.... :razz:
Highly unlikely.
Is one of those same polls you relied on last time telling you that? :wink:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 28, 2016, 04:15:23 PM
. . .and a new wall is going up.... :razz:
A wall of separation between the haves and have-nots. A wall that will separate the wealthy from the poor and provide control to the wealthy.
Quote from: Palehorse on June 29, 2016, 09:46:47 AM
A wall of separation between the haves and have-nots. A wall that will separate the wealthy from the poor and provide control to the wealthy.
You are basing this on WHAT???
There is nothing that Trump is saying or indicating that he is going to do anything but help everyone. Give me an example of how he is going to separate the wealthy from the poor and provide control to the wealthy.
Tell me what Hillary is planning doing that is going to help...
I am not being a wise ass....I am seriously asking, because I need to know....from my point of view it is obvious. One of the reasons I come here is because you guys keep me on the straight and narrow on the political world.
I am much more cautious these days before I make statements....
Trump is talking big, Hillary is talking big....that is what they do to win. Trump's talk is much more convincing to me that HE can do more to help our Country than anybody else in a long time.
I realize the next POTUS is going to have to get along with congress to get something done. I believe this to be Trumps STRONG suit. "The Art of the Deal". Getting things done....I think he can compromise with democrats, where I don't think Hillary has the capability to compromise with the republicans.
The bottom line is, I am willing to trust Trump. Our alternative is to trust a politician. Records a pretty clear on their "trustworthiness".
I'm sick of the GOP. I'm sick of our current congress. I'm sick of Washington DC.
Trump has the ability to shake up the political world....continuing our current path spells doom.
And this has what to do with the US and calling anyone who disagrees with the POTUS racist or calling conservatives racist?
Quote from: Locutus on June 28, 2016, 11:27:42 PM
^^ No racism there, right 'me'?
That racism crap is getting really old. </sarcasm>
:roll eyes:
Quote from: Locutus on June 28, 2016, 11:25:13 PM
(CNN)Police in Manchester, England, arrested two young men and a teenager in connection with an apparent hate incident on a tram Tuesday.
Video of the incident, which shows several men taunting a male commuter who appears to be of mixed race, quickly drew outrage after being posted online.
The incident occurred about 7.40 a.m. local time. The video shows the victim in a heated exchange with the suspects, who call him an "immigrant" and tell him to "get back to Africa." Several of the suspects appear to be holding bottles of beer, and at one point a suspect tries to flick some of it on the victim.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/28/europe/manchester-uk-hate-crime-arrests-irpt/index.html
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 29, 2016, 10:22:14 AM
You are basing this on WHAT???
. . .
On the last 9 years of a do nothing congress that hates the sitting POTUS; and will hate the next sitting POTUS even more given his strong armed style and approach toward everything within his personal and professional life.
The fact of the matter is we would a be a whole lot better off had congress been able to divorce itself from its personal agendas and actually do the work they were elected to do and are paid to do. But they haven't for nearly a decade now; and I agree things are on the downslide when it comes to the middle-class and likely to get much worse.
Congress has done some things over the last 10 years:
- Stack the deck to favor employers by eliminating pension and retirement plans in favor of 401k plans that are volatile at best.
- Pander to corporate America in the delusional hope that by depressing the wages of the workforce the resulting profits would get them to stay here.
- Continue to support subsidies for mega-conglomerate industries despite their posting of record profit levels, while simultaneously stripping and defunding the social safety nets of this nation at a time when they are/were desperately needed by the average American citizens.
- Say no to every single piece of legislation put forth, even when they incorporated their own demands.
- Waste over 7 million dollars on a witch hunt (Benghazi) that uncovered nothing more than the previous SEVEN separate committees did; which were huge gaps within the DOD response plans and unexplained lethargy therein.
- Attempt to rig the SCOTUS by refusing to vet a fully qualified candidate put forth by the POTUS; despite the constitutional and historical validation of his right to do so.
And then there is the SCOTUS itself that seems to have fallen into lockstep with these scoundrels by handing down decisions that empowered and emboldened Corporate America to continue its war on labor and manufacturing in this nation and provided individual, Constitutional Rights to these soulless and faceless entities
without requiring them to conduct operations in compliance with those very same rights held by its employees. One needs only to look at the last 8 years to understand how the next 4 years are going to be. Congress has been corrupted from bottom to top, and now feels IT is the highest power and authority in this nation. No matter who is elected, if s/he is not an individual that will fall into lockstep with the members of congress and continue to ignore the plight of the average citizens of this nation, we are in for more of the very same.
Electing a billionaire businessman will do absolutely nothing but ensure this negative process is magnified and prolonged. :mad:
Quote from: me on June 29, 2016, 11:15:45 AM
And this has what to do with the US and calling anyone who disagrees with the POTUS racist or calling conservatives racist?
Isn't someone who supports Trump but claims not to be a racist the same as someone who supports ISIS but claims not to be a terrorist?
Quote from: Palehorse on June 29, 2016, 09:46:47 AM
A wall of separation between the haves and have-nots. A wall that will separate the wealthy from the poor and provide control to the wealthy.
There are walls now that separate the poor, middle class and the rich. :yes: Just look at the gated communities that are around. Eight foot iron fences. some have coils of razor wire on top of them, earth abutments around the communities. Guards :stop: guard shacks and electric controlled gates that only open to their key pad. :yes: Just try to get in and see these multimillion dollar homes. To see their million dollar yachts moored at their docks. :yes: We are separated by walls and access to many things that the rich have and what the rich can do. Just try to get in one of Trump's private golf and country clubs. You are met at the door by a security guard. :stop: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: At one time in days past the rich, bankers lived among the people in the village. Not now, for they think they are better than us and they are afraid of us. :rant: But they seem to forget that in real, real hard times, they have to come out of their cages to get something to eat. :yes: :biggrin:
Quote from: me on June 29, 2016, 11:15:45 AM
And this has what to do with the US and calling anyone who disagrees with the POTUS racist or calling conservatives racist?
Can't you even follow a basic conversation?
1. I told you that a big part of the Brexit vote had to do with immigration and racism. I did that right here:
Quote from: Locutus on June 27, 2016, 03:01:46 PM
Some of what's in play there is the same nationalism and racism that you see in Trump supporters here. :wink:
2. Then, instead of researching and trying to ascertain if my point was valid, you implied that it had nothing to do with racism and immigrants with your post right here:
Quote from: me on June 27, 2016, 03:59:49 PM
I wish people would come down off that racism crap it's getting real old.
3. My post above, to which you responded, was to paint a clear picture for you that racism is a very clear part of what was behind that vote, yet you missed the point entirely.
Maybe next time I'll use a coloring book. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on June 29, 2016, 11:48:25 AM
Isn't someone who supports Trump but claims not to be a racist the same as someone who supports ISIS but claims not to be a terrorist?
That will go right over her head. :wall:
Quote from: Palehorse on June 27, 2016, 08:36:33 PM
Stop watching Fox Troll. Please. . . .
Next thing we know you'll be voting Trump. . . :eek:
I can't vote for Trump or any other god damn Republican. :puke: But I can't see one good thing about having Muslims in America. :no: :no: :no: :no: What the fuck are they good for. They aren't even good for their own people. :whip: :whip: :whip: :jail: :jail: :nowink:
Quote from: Palehorse on June 29, 2016, 11:46:56 AM
Electing a billionaire businessman will do absolutely nothing but ensure this negative process is magnified and prolonged. :mad:
AGAIN, I ask....based on WHAT?
Just because he is a billionaire?
Because he is a Businessman?
His ideas that he is suggesting to do, doesn't seem like that will fit into your logic.
Renegotiating our unfair trade agreements with China. That alone, could make quite a difference.
Tax relief on the Middle Class and taking away the tax loop holes on the wealthy.....This goes directly against your complaint.
Having a strong, effective leader....something we haven't had in a long, long time....
I know I am not going to convince you on anything. You have your mind made up as do I.
One thing I am so very, very certain of, that Hillary Clinton would be the worst possible person to run our country in the current state it is in.....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 29, 2016, 12:22:33 PM
AGAIN, I ask....based on WHAT?
Just because he is a billionaire?
Because he is a Businessman?
No, because he is claiming he is against the very system that he has been taking advantage of his entire life.
QuoteTax relief on the Middle Class and taking away the tax loop holes on the wealthy.....This goes directly against your complaint.
Again, do you really believe he will take away the very tax loopholes from which he has benefited for so long? Keep drinking the kool-aid.
QuoteOne thing I am so very, very certain of, that Hillary Clinton would be the worst possible person to run our country in the current state it is in.....
Based on what?
Quote from: Locutus on June 29, 2016, 12:14:41 PM
That will go right over her head. :wall:
They'll avoid the obvious like a plague.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 29, 2016, 12:22:33 PM
AGAIN, I ask....based on WHAT?
Just because he is a billionaire?
Because he is a Businessman?
His ideas that he is suggesting to do, doesn't seem like that will fit into your logic.
Renegotiating our unfair trade agreements with China. That alone, could make quite a difference.
Tax relief on the Middle Class and taking away the tax loop holes on the wealthy.....This goes directly against your complaint.
Having a strong, effective leader....something we haven't had in a long, long time....
I know I am not going to convince you on anything. You have your mind made up as do I.
One thing I am so very, very certain of, that Hillary Clinton would be the worst possible person to run our country in the current state it is in.....
Here is my answer (Minus the comment that seems to have distracted you from comprehending what I am saying):
Quote from: Palehorse on June 29, 2016, 11:46:56 AM
On the last 9 years of a do nothing congress that hates the sitting POTUS; and will hate the next sitting POTUS even more given his strong armed style and approach toward everything within his personal and professional life.
The fact of the matter is we would a be a whole lot better off had congress been able to divorce itself from its personal agendas and actually do the work they were elected to do and are paid to do. But they haven't for nearly a decade now; and I agree things are on the downslide when it comes to the middle-class and likely to get much worse.
Congress has done some things over the last 10 years:
- Stack the deck to favor employers by eliminating pension and retirement plans in favor of 401k plans that are volatile at best.
- Pander to corporate America in the delusional hope that by depressing the wages of the workforce the resulting profits would get them to stay here.
- Continue to support subsidies for mega-conglomerate industries despite their posting of record profit levels, while simultaneously stripping and defunding the social safety nets of this nation at a time when they are/were desperately needed by the average American citizens.
- Say no to every single piece of legislation put forth, even when they incorporated their own demands.
- Waste over 7 million dollars on a witch hunt (Benghazi) that uncovered nothing more than the previous SEVEN separate committees did; which were huge gaps within the DOD response plans and unexplained lethargy therein.
- Attempt to rig the SCOTUS by refusing to vet a fully qualified candidate put forth by the POTUS; despite the constitutional and historical validation of his right to do so.
And then there is the SCOTUS itself that seems to have fallen into lockstep with these scoundrels by handing down decisions that empowered and emboldened Corporate America to continue its war on labor and manufacturing in this nation and provided individual, Constitutional Rights to these soulless and faceless entities without requiring them to conduct operations in compliance with those very same rights held by its employees.
One needs only to look at the last 8 years to understand how the next 4 years are going to be. Congress has been corrupted from bottom to top, and now feels IT is the highest power and authority in this nation. No matter who is elected, if s/he is not an individual that will fall into lockstep with the members of congress and continue to ignore the plight of the average citizens of this nation, we are in for more of the very same.
. . . :mad:
Old joke:
What starts with F and ends with K? Why it's the 401K plan. It's the fucking the employers give their employees with this retirement plan. :haha: :haha: :thumbsup: :whip: :kick: :007: