Once again ISIS has targeted Paris France, this time executing a multi-site initiative targeting public venues including a packed soccer stadium, and concert venues number in 6 total.
128 presumed innocent souls were taken by them before 8 of the terrorists themselves were killed. An unknown number of them may have escaped capture in the confusion and panic that ensued.
They used automatic weapons and bombs, both illegal in the country.
It is just a matter of time before they begin targeting U.S. venues and those within other countries. One of the terrorists is said to have had a Syrian passport. Another of them was a French National know to authorities to have joined a Syrian or Iraqi sect. (One of thousands of them to do so).
Russia was spared at this point, but I am thinking it is no coincidence that this happened on the evening following the U.S. and British drone strike that is presumed to have taken out Jihadi John.
Well they have a problem there in France, that I hope we don't have here. They've let literally thousands of people leave France to travel to Iraq and Syria - at this point it appears for obvious terrorist training - and then let them back into the country, apparently with no questions asked.
I don't know to what extent the United States has allowed that to happen with citizens of this country, but if we have allowed it, then we could be in for some of these very same acts.
Quote from: Locutus on November 14, 2015, 11:32:13 AM
Well they have a problem there in France, that I hope we don't have here. They've let literally thousands of people leave France to travel to Iraq and Syria - at this point it appears for obvious terrorist training - and then let them back into the country, apparently with no questions asked.
I don't know to what extent the United States has allowed that to happen with citizens of this country, but if we have allowed it, then we could be in for some of these very same acts.
Make no mistake about this; we've definitely got the same issue here. It may be a variation of it too, with operatives with a clean background in Syria coming here to do the recruiting and training. I know NSA , etc tracks the destinations of citizens abroad to some degree.
NBC news is reporting that a passport found at one of the sites indicates that one of the terrorists entered the EU through Greece at some point last month.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/paris-terror-attacks/passport-found-attack-site-came-through-greece-official-says-n463526
132 people dead
Anyone else think it's strange that the immigrants are mostly males? I don't believe that hogwash someone posted on fb today about the makes coming first to make sure it's safe for the women and children. This does not give me a good feeling for sure. :no:
Quote from: me on November 15, 2015, 08:45:00 PM
Anyone else think it's strange that the immigrants are mostly males? I don't believe that hogwash someone posted on fb today about the makes coming first to make sure it's safe for the women and children. This does not give me a good feeling for sure. :no:
Two words...Trojan horse.
This is a lengthy read, but I took the time this weekend. It explains ISIS and their ideology in terms of what they're up to, how they view the world, and what they want.
If you take the time to read it, please share your thoughts and we can discuss them here.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
Quote from: Exterminator on November 16, 2015, 10:05:22 AM
Two words...Trojan horse.
I believe that some terrorist elements will probably succeed in entering the U.S. posing as Syrian refugees but now that I've had a chance to think critically about this and do a little research, I have a question. There were just over 190 million international arrivals/departures to/from the U.S. last year. Let's assume half, or 95 million were arrivals. Why are Syrian refugees more likely to be terrorists than anyone else entering the country?
Quote from: Exterminator on November 16, 2015, 01:07:03 PM
I believe that some terrorist elements will probably succeed in entering the U.S. posing as Syrian refugees but now that I've had a chance to think critically about this and do a little research, I have a question. There were just over 190 million international arrivals/departures to/from the U.S. last year. Let's assume half, or 95 million were arrivals. Why are Syrian refugees more likely to be terrorists than anyone else entering the country?
I think most are saying they pose a greater risk because they're coming from areas that ISIS controls, ergo, it's easier for ISIS to embed operatives in with the massive group of refugees trying to leave that area for other countries. That's at least the opinion of several of my friends who have opined on this subject on my Facebook feed.
However, if the Director of the FBI is to be believed, they're already here:
http://abc7chicago.com/534732/
Quote from: Locutus on November 16, 2015, 01:11:41 PM
However, if the Director of the FBI is to be believed, they're already here:
Of course they are.
Quote from: Locutus on November 16, 2015, 12:58:33 PM
This is a lengthy read, but I took the time this weekend. It explains ISIS and their ideology in terms of what they're up to, how they view the world, and what they want.
If you take the time to read it, please share your thoughts and we can discuss them here.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
Thank you for posting this. It is a long but very enlightening read.
Quote from: Exterminator on November 16, 2015, 03:10:40 PM
Thank you for posting this. It is a long but very enlightening read.
Indeed it is. Makes you view them in almost an entirely different light.
I think they have been here for a while under the radar but that is just me. I have no way of backing that up so it is just a gut feeling I have.
Quote from: Locutus on November 16, 2015, 12:58:33 PM
This is a lengthy read, but I took the time this weekend. It explains ISIS and their ideology in terms of what they're up to, how they view the world, and what they want.
If you take the time to read it, please share your thoughts and we can discuss them here.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
This is a telling article that in the end seems to lend support toward the present approach of the allies surrounding bombing them from afar and pounding them into oblivion, however if one reads a bit deeper into things this article seems to endorse, covertly, the opinions of some that we should just carpet bomb their entire area of possession and eliminate the foundation of the Caliphate, prevent it from expanding, and eliminate the "validation" of the Caliphate's existence by doing so.
I find more than a small amount of irony in reading their "reasoning" for their reign of terror, when I compare the same to Christianity's Old Testament Laws, and historic initiatives toward converting non-Christians. (History repeating itself. . . AGAIN).
These Islamic State individuals are obtaining increasing numbers of "believers" because they are expanding, basing their actions upon strict interpretations of the Koran and insistence upon adherence to same via the requirement of believers to impose punishment and enslvement upon all non-believers.
In exchange, they promise free food, housing, clothing, and medical care at the expense of the Islamic State and at the will of the Head of the Islamic State. Support him and his will, and these things are yours; and more.
I also find it ironic as hell that they claim to be the instrument of God with which He will impose the Apocalypse upon humanity. The climax moment being marked by the near extermination of the Islamic State forces, (reduced to 5,000 by another Islamic Force), only to see the return of Jesus to help them conquer the infidels. Jesus? Really?
One has to ask if this little scenario finds it's root in the parables that pre-date the story of Jesus but parallel it. . .
My personal opinion is well known surrounding what needs to happen to eliminate this scourge upon the planet; the Globe needs to unite against them and exterminate them. Period.
To that end, it would seem to me that the people presently living within he controlled areas are there of their own free will. Those that are not, are enslaved or destined for crucifixion, beheading, or worse. In effect, they're toast. So let's put a unilateral full court press 360 degrees around their territories. Let every single human being that wants to go there, go there. But they are not getting out. Ever.
And when the lines to get in diminish, we carpet bomb the hell out of it for 90 - 120 days. Hellfire missiles, cruise mussels, bunker busters. Just bomb them around the clock and without quarter. Afterwards, we sweep the damned thing and shoot everything that moves and is not an allied force, until we meet in the middle. . .
Turns out oil isn't as valuable as it once was, and isn't enough to warrant living in that place anymore. . . So sorting out who lives there afterwards is the easy part. . .
Remember back in the old days when the men around cities would go out side the city and surround a large field and start walking to the center of it. As the bunnies came running out they would bop the rabbits on the head with a club. It was called Bunnie Bopping and it was a sure way to clean the field of all of the rabbits. I think that is what we should do with ISIS except with a rifle bullet. Bop the bastards. :yes: :biggrin:
Quote from: Palehorse on November 16, 2015, 05:47:13 PM
I also find it ironic as hell that they claim to be the instrument of God with which He will impose the Apocalypse upon humanity. The climax moment being marked by the near extermination of the Islamic State forces, (reduced to 5,000 by another Islamic Force), only to see the return of Jesus to help them conquer the infidels. Jesus? Really?
Yes, Jesus. Really.
That's why I want to punch Xtians who say that they're worshiping the "one true god" and that the Muslims worship a "false god." In fact, when the Xtians pray to their god, they fail to realize that they're praying to the exact same god that Muslims do. They just call him a different name.
Quote from: Locutus on November 16, 2015, 06:47:33 PM
Yes, Jesus. Really.
That's why I want to punch Xtians who say that they're worshiping the "one true god" and that the Muslims worship a "false god." In fact, when the Xtians pray to their god, they fail to realize that they're praying to the exact same god that Muslims do. They just call him a different name.
:yes:
Quote from: Locutus on November 16, 2015, 06:47:33 PM
Yes, Jesus. Really.
That's why I want to punch Xtians who say that they're worshiping the "one true god" and that the Muslims worship a "false god." In fact, when the Xtians pray to their god, they fail to realize that they're praying to the exact same god that Muslims do. They just call him a different name.
How about thinking the right way, THERE IS NO GOD! There is no Holy Ghost :ghost: And quit pretending in magic and all of the smoke and mirrors. Somebody say A-men. :rant:
https://www.youtube.com/v/DVg2EJvvlF8
Quote from: The Troll on November 16, 2015, 06:58:36 PM
How about thinking the right way, THERE IS NO GOD! There is no Holy Ghost :ghost: And quit pretending in magic and all of the smoke and mirrors. Somebody say A-men. :rant:
AMEN and AMEN!!
The world would be a far better place without ALL religions; Christianity included.
As PH duly noted, this ISIS shit is just history repeating itself. Again.
Quote from: Locutus on November 16, 2015, 12:58:33 PM
This is a lengthy read, but I took the time this weekend. It explains ISIS and their ideology in terms of what they're up to, how they view the world, and what they want.
If you take the time to read it, please share your thoughts and we can discuss them here.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
Thanks for posting this as it helps me understand ISIS better. It is a long read, especially for a slow reader like me! But definitely worth it.
Quote from: Locutus on November 16, 2015, 07:34:57 PM
AMEN and AMEN!!
The world would be a far better place without ALL religions; Christianity included.
As PH duly noted, this ISIS shit is just history repeating itself. Again.
The world would be better, but I don't see that happening in my lifetime or my daughter's lifetime, unfortunately.
I have a friend, with whom I graduated high school, who has served almost her entire career with the United States Department of State. She is currently serving as First Secretary at the U.S. Embassy to Italy in Rome. She makes very lengthy FB posts from time to time about her activities, but this one was of particular interest. It's about the state of things in Paris post terrorism. I thought I would share.
____________
Just a couple of weeks after the attacks, Kevin and I took the kids for a vacation in Paris. From the reaction of our family and friends, you would think that we were preparing to go into a rebel-held strong hold in a war zone. I am happy to report that the streets of Paris are still filled with the smell of buttery fresh croisants, and lovers still kiss under the Eiffel Tower. While we were there, we got on a crowded bus. In the back were standing a couple of young men who appeared to be recent Nothern African imigrants. They had on hoodies, baseball caps and thin camoflage green jackets. They were the type of people that get looked at with suspicion even during the best of times. I noticed some on the bus eyeing them very uncomfortably. A well-dressed chic Parisian woman had covered the seat beside her with her purse. It was the last seat on the bus. When my 10 year old daughter moved to take the seat, the woman looked at her irritatingly. She put her hand on her bag and returned to looking at her iPhone, making it clear that she wasn't goning to move her purse to allow anyone to sit beside her. My daughter had nothing to hang on to and was struggling to stand as the bus bounced down the road. Then, out of the corner of my eye, I noticed one of young Northern African men,walk down the bus aisle, tap the rude woman gently on the shoulder, smile charmingly at her, and ask very politely for her to move the bag. The woman irritatingly grumbled but picked up her purse. The man then winked at my daughter, gestured to the seat and said "Young madamoiselle, this seat is yours." I've never described the French as being particularly effusive, but all around smiled and clearly applauded the action. The distrust evaporated. Yup...Paris is doing just fine.
Fascinating, and representative of real life and people in general, including US government workers, most of whom work behind the scenes to keep everything working as it should.
Thanks for posting that, Locutus. :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 31, 2016, 03:05:29 PM
Trump says they will. I believe him.
Trump says a lot of stupid things. (http://www.nationalmemo.com/an-engineer-explains-why-trumps-wall-is-so-implausible/)
QuoteAre you 100% certain they are not?
Yes. An existential threat to the U.S. is one that threatens the existence of the country. ISIS may be a minor threat to some people in this country but is by no means a threat to the existence of the country itself. Isn't now; never will be.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 31, 2016, 03:34:48 PM
Yes. An existential threat to the U.S. is one that threatens the existence of the country. ISIS may be a minor threat to some people in this country but is by no means a threat to the existence of the country itself. Isn't now; never will be.
Isn't now........I agree with....
But, if they are not contained, they could be an existential threat.....at least that is their intent. BTW, killing someone ISN'T a minor threat.....and they HAVE killed innocent Americans. They can and will strike again.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 31, 2016, 04:04:04 PM
But, if they are not contained, they could be an existential threat.....at least that is their intent.
No, that is absolutely
not their intent. Go read that article that I posted in the ISIS thread a few months ago as Exterminator suggested. You obviously haven't as of yet or you'd know better. :roll eyes:
The only existential threat threat I see today, are running for the office of POTUS. Not all of them, but most. . .And some secondary existential threats are serving members of congress.
Quote from: Palehorse on March 31, 2016, 08:15:42 PM
The only existential threat threat I see today, are running for the office of POTUS. Not all of them, but most. . .And some secondary existential threats are serving members of congress.
Amen! :thumbsup: For myself, NO MORE MUSLIMS BROUGHT INTO AMERICA! :2cents: :4th3:
Quote from: Locutus on March 31, 2016, 04:26:32 PM
No, that is absolutely not their intent. Go read that article that I posted in the ISIS thread a few months ago as Exterminator suggested. You obviously haven't as of yet or you'd know better. :roll eyes:
For a lack of better words.......I say....BULLSHIT!
Read this article....
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 01, 2016, 09:58:00 AM
For a lack of better words.......I say....BULLSHIT!
Read this article....
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
I read the article before you did Hank. I was the one that posted it originally. :rolleyes:
Their intent, to be as brief and succinct as possible, is to:
1. Establish a caliphate.
2. Bring about the apocalypse as is depicted in the Koran.
Neither of these makes them an existential threat to this country. They wouldn't even be giving us a second thought if we weren't over there dropping bombs on them.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 01, 2016, 09:58:00 AM
For a lack of better words.......I say....BULLSHIT!
Read this article....
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
A link to that article was posted here months ago. Did
you bother to read it because it actually supports what Locutus and I stated:
"But its threat to the United States is smaller than its all too frequent conflation with al-Qaeda would suggest. Al-Qaeda's core is rare among jihadist groups for its focus on the "far enemy" (the West); most jihadist groups' main concerns lie closer to home. That's especially true of the Islamic State, precisely because of its ideology. It sees enemies everywhere around it, and while its leadership wishes ill on the United States, the application of Sharia in the caliphate and the expansion to contiguous lands are paramount.'
Quote from: Exterminator on April 01, 2016, 01:19:26 PM
A link to that article was posted here months ago. Did you bother to read it because it actually supports what Locutus and I stated:
"But its threat to the United States is smaller than its all too frequent conflation with al-Qaeda would suggest. Al-Qaeda's core is rare among jihadist groups for its focus on the "far enemy" (the West); most jihadist groups' main concerns lie closer to home. That's especially true of the Islamic State, precisely because of its ideology. It sees enemies everywhere around it, and while its leadership wishes ill on the United States, the application of Sharia in the caliphate and the expansion to contiguous lands are paramount.'
^^ Read that HH. It's exactly what I said in my post above.
Thanks Ex for pulling that that out of the article.
So your article surpasses my article.... :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 01, 2016, 01:23:36 PM
So your article surpasses my article.... :rolleyes:
Jeezus Hank! It's the same article. I posted it first right here:
http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=19293.msg509588#msg509588
:rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on April 01, 2016, 01:29:29 PM
Jeezus Hank! It's the same article. I posted it first right here:
http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=19293.msg509588#msg509588
:rolleyes:
Dafuq?
:biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on April 01, 2016, 01:29:29 PM
Jeezus Hank! It's the same article. I posted it first right here:
http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=19293.msg509588#msg509588
:rolleyes:
:spooked:
Quote from: Locutus on April 01, 2016, 01:16:11 PM
I read the article before you did Hank. I was the one that posted it originally. :rolleyes:
Their intent, to be as brief and succinct as possible, is to:
1. Establish a caliphate.
2. Bring about the apocalypse as is depicted in the Koran.
Neither of these makes them an existential threat to this country. They wouldn't even be giving us a second thought if we weren't over there dropping bombs on them.
I don't see the Swedish, British, or Germans dropping bombs on them and look what they're doing there.
Quote from: me on April 01, 2016, 10:15:58 PM
I don't see the Swedish, British, or Germans dropping bombs on them and look what they're doing there.
Are you two really that uninformed, or are you just trolling? Sometimes, I really don't know.
Germany joins fight against ISIL (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/12032948/Germany-joins-fight-against-Isil-after-parliament-approves-military-action-in-Syria.html)
Britain carries out airstrikes (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/02/syria-airstrikes-mps-approve-uk-action-against-isis-after-marathon-debate)
What have they done to the Swedes, other than some threatening letters?
Quote from: Locutus on April 01, 2016, 01:29:29 PM
Jeezus Hank! It's the same article. I posted it first right here:
http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=19293.msg509588#msg509588
:rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on April 01, 2016, 01:33:31 PM
Dafuq?
Oh Hank?!?!??? :razz: :icon_twisted:
Quote from: Locutus on April 01, 2016, 10:24:23 PM
Are you two really that uninformed, or are you just trolling? Sometimes, I really don't know.
Germany joins fight against ISIL (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/12032948/Germany-joins-fight-against-Isil-after-parliament-approves-military-action-in-Syria.html)
Britain carries out airstrikes (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/02/syria-airstrikes-mps-approve-uk-action-against-isis-after-marathon-debate)
What have they done to the Swedes, other than some threatening letters?
Didn't some rapes and so forth happen there too about a month or two ago?
Quote from: me on April 01, 2016, 10:31:49 PM
Didn't some rapes and so forth happen there too about a month or two ago?
I'm not sure about that, but if you can find a link, I'll be glad to read it.
Quote from: Locutus on April 01, 2016, 10:32:52 PM
I'm not sure about that, but if you can find a link, I'll be glad to read it.
http://www.infowars.com/sweden-syrian-migrant-brutally-rapes-woman-while-spitting-in-her-face/
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7133/sweden-rapes-acquittals-severed-heads
http://www.barenakedislam.com/2015/08/12/sweden-new-photo-of-what-appears-to-be-a-beheading-victim-in-ikea-indicates-that-the-asylum-seeking-knife-attackers-were-likely-muslims/
I'm sure I can find more later but I'm worn out at the moment from being at the hospital all day for the birth of my great grandson.
Well we're obviously going to see some things like this going on over there in Europe, but as has been pointed out before, they have a completely different problem going on there.
This whole conversation started about ISIS being an existential threat to this country. They certainly are not an existential threat, and never will be.
The primary concern of the leadership of ISIS is the caliphate. That's simply the overlying fact of the matter.
And I'm still waiting on Hank's explanation. ;D
Hello??? ;D
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The Muslims did it, 9/11, they did it in Boston, they did it in California and they will do it again. :yes: :rant: The U.S.A never does anything about it until the damn Muslims do it again. :angry: I say kill all of the bastards terrorist. :hunt: :behead: :rifle: :knife: :skull: :wait: I say kill them all. :trustme: :@#%&: