My daughter did, and here's what she wrote about it:
"Don't remember if I told you, but I did my DNA through ancestry.com and I got my results today, wow....
I will try to break it down the best I can. I would like for you to get tested and I will even pay for it. Here are the results:
I am 95% European, no surprise there, but the breakdown is interesting. I am 48% European west, 19% Irish, 7% Scandinavian and 7% Great Britain.
Now here is where it gets interesting... I am less than 1% North African, less than 1% American Indian, less than 1% Asia East and 2% Middle East. These are all trace regions they picked up in my DNA.
It is broken down even more, but maybe if you bring your laptop with you on our trip, we can look at it more in depth at the hotel."
(I forgot my laptop.)
What do those people do with the DNA samples they collect? Are they archived in some database?
Quote from: Locutus on July 16, 2015, 05:06:01 PM
What do those people do with the DNA samples they collect? Are they archived in some database?
I don't know, but assume so -- on computers like everything else. How else would they link all that DNA and follow it back to -- say -- Africa? :smile: I don't see my daughter all that often -- she lives and works about a hundred miles south of me, but will try to catch up with her and ask the question. I seem to remember that she got involved because she was contacted by my mother's niece, who lives in California and was a little girl when her father, a career soldier, died in Korea. Her mother had also passed away, so she was trying to track her father's family. She found my daughter through a family name.
Anyway, to try to answer your question, I googled ancestry.com. and below is part of what I found. (To get the specifics you have to provide some personal information, which I did not want to do.)
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Hmmmm..... Being in IT, I just wonder exactly what safeguards they have in place.
Thanks for doing a bit of research.
Quote from: Locutus on July 16, 2015, 07:32:56 PM
Hmmmm..... Being in IT, I just wonder exactly what safeguards they have in place.
Thanks for doing a bit of research.
You're welcome. That was a good question. I have exactly the same reservations because of my work.
Understood. :yes:
My son and his wife did this, too. It linked them to a couple trees on their web site that had similar dna to them. Of course the people they linked them to are long dead.
I never have considered doing it. It sounds interesting but I know most of my DNA.
Quote from: Anne on July 18, 2015, 10:22:58 AM
My son and his wife did this, too. It linked them to a couple trees on their web site that had similar dna to them. Of course the people they linked them to are long dead.
Were they interested in taking it way, way, way back?
The Oxford English dictionary has this definition for genealogy:
1. A record of one's descent from one's ancestors, especially in the form of a table, and
2. The science or study of family descent.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on July 18, 2015, 11:05:51 AM
I never have considered doing it. It sounds interesting but I know most of my DNA.
Did you or someone else in your family submit DNA, or are you talking about family history?
Quote from: libby on July 20, 2015, 01:40:33 PM
The Oxford English dictionary has this definition for genealogy:
1. A record of one's descent from one's ancestors, especially in the form of a table, and
2. The science or study of family descent.
Did you or someone else in your family submit DNA, or are you talking about family history?
Family history and we know that for the most part, we are 1/2 American Indian as my Grandmother was full blooded, Irish and Scottish because they came from there. I am sure that getting DNA done would add some more European blood and probably some other ethic blood! It would be interesting to see what else but I am content knowing the family history but maybe some day, I will do DNA also.
I once submitted to a DNA test through the facility I used to work for; which was a major contributor to the genome project.
Specifically, it was looking at one specific set of genes responsible for your metabolism and the rate at which your body processes medicines.
I received a very long and detailed report that identified medicines that I was a high metabolizer of, and those that I was a slow metabolizer of; specifically to enable my personal physician(s) to prescribe customized doses of any medication I may ever need.
It went a long way toward explaining why certain compounds knocked me on my ass, while others required larger doses than normal to obtain the required results.
This has become an area of concern for me years later, since I no longer work for this employer, their data was submitted to the national database for the ongoing research, (supposedly anonymously but who really knows?)
I very much war to have this DNA test done via Ancestory, but I am not out of very valid concerns surrounding security that may become relevant depending upon technological advances that either are under way, or in the works. . .
My sole purpose of doing the test would to be to confirm via genetic science what my family history already says; and perhaps shed some light on a particular rumor or two that may in reality be skeletons or nothing more than vicious lies. . .
One of my sisters is HEAVILY into mapping our family's history, along with a couple of cousins who have been doing the same on my mothers side of the family for a lot longer than my sister has. We've got a BUNCH of our trees "fleshed out" and have solid provenance to back it up; but it would be nice to have some science as well. . .
Quote from: libby on July 20, 2015, 01:40:33 PM
Were they interested in taking it way, way, way back?
The Oxford English dictionary has this definition for genealogy:
1. A record of one's descent from one's ancestors, especially in the form of a table, and
2. The science or study of family descent.
Did you or someone else in your family submit DNA, or are you talking about family history?
As far as I know no one else in our family have submitted DNA to Ancestry. My daughter in law is into tracing her family back several generations in Ireland. I started tracing my family tree several years ago because no one was still alive who could answer questions for me about my great grandparents, where they came from, that kind of thing. My son's results came up less Irish than we thought it would be and more Western European than we thought. It also gave him a new lead on another possible branch of the family. So far no one rich or famous, but interesting to see how we all got to Indiana.
Another site that does DNA testing is 23andme.com.
I have heathen DNA. Not sure I want that checked against a database. ;D
Quote from: Locutus on July 22, 2015, 09:42:41 PM
I have heathen DNA. Not sure I want that checked against a database. ;D
:biggrin:
I've sent my DNA sample in. . .
In about 8 weeks I will either have validation of the "conjecture" within our oral family history, or scientific evidence that it is a bunch of bunk.
I'm of an age wherein if my analysis results gets into someone else's hands, I don't give a damn. . . I want answers dammit! :icon_twisted:
Quote from: Palehorse on May 08, 2016, 10:48:22 AM
I've sent my DNA sample in. . .
In about 8 weeks I will either have validation of the "conjecture" within our oral family history, or scientific evidence that it is a bunch of bunk.
I'm of an age wherein if my analysis results gets into someone else's hands, I don't give a damn. . . I want answers dammit! :icon_twisted:
What happens if you don't have any Indian in you? :confused:
Quote from: The Troll on May 08, 2016, 03:04:29 PM
What happens if you don't have any Indian in you? :confused:
We're going to scalp him. ;D
Quote from: The Troll on May 08, 2016, 03:04:29 PM
What happens if you don't have any Indian in you? :confused:
Then my ancestors were liars. . .
Here's an interesting proposition.
What if someone/company acquired your DNA and cloned you?
1) How would you prove you're you?
2) Would the entity that cloned you, own the clone, or would you have ownership?
3) Would you have to fight for ownership, or would the clone be considered a separate human being with all inherent rights?
That's a very interesting take on this whole conversation, and one I hadn't even thought about. ;D
Quote from: Y on May 09, 2016, 06:21:18 PM
Here's an interesting proposition.
What if someone/company acquired your DNA and cloned you?
1) How would you prove you're you?
2) Would the entity that cloned you, own the clone, or would you have ownership?
3) Would you have to fight for ownership, or would the clone be considered a separate human being with all inherent rights?
I wish someone would. Then I could sit at home and let that fugger work his ass off instead of me. . . :icon_twisted:
;D
Quote from: Palehorse on May 08, 2016, 10:48:22 AM
I've sent my DNA sample in. . .
In about 8 weeks I will either have validation of the "conjecture" within our oral family history, or scientific evidence that it is a bunch of bunk.
I'm of an age wherein if my analysis results gets into someone else's hands, I don't give a damn. . . I want answers dammit! :icon_twisted:
My daughter did that for hubby and me and his Native American dna didn't show up but they said it would take a different test than they do at Ancestory in their written thing they send back with the test results. He knows his grandma on both his dad's and his mom's side were full blooded. He did, however show up 73% British but, depending on the tribe, that could be part of the Native American blood.
Quote from: Y on May 09, 2016, 06:21:18 PM
Here's an interesting proposition.
What if someone/company acquired your DNA and cloned you?
1) How would you prove you're you?
2) Would the entity that cloned you, own the clone, or would you have ownership?
3) Would you have to fight for ownership, or would the clone be considered a separate human being with all inherent rights?
Quote from: Locutus on May 09, 2016, 06:30:30 PM
That's a very interesting take on this whole conversation, and one I hadn't even thought about. ;D
Yes! I decided I would comment on 3) "would the clone be considered a separate human being..." and sat there thinking and writing and thinking and writing, and .... finally decided I needed some sleep, and .... still thinkin' .... does cloning include the mind? ... epigenetics ... reincarnation ... where does the soul reside ... (this may take a while ... ) :rolleyes: :confused:
Quote from: Y on May 09, 2016, 06:21:18 PM
Here's an interesting proposition.
What if someone/company acquired your DNA and cloned you?
1) How would you prove you're you?
2) Would the entity that cloned you, own the clone, or would you have ownership?
3) Would you have to fight for ownership, or would the clone be considered a separate human being with all inherent rights?
Could they do that and make the clone an adult or would it have to start out as a baby?
Quote from: me on May 11, 2016, 01:34:42 AM
Could they do that and make the clone an adult or would it have to start out as a baby?
It would be a baby, just like everything else they've cloned.
And yes, they can clone human beings, however the religious zealots in the world presently stand between science and this
legally happening.
(I am not saying that it has or has not happened, but that it IS a reality).
Quote from: Palehorse on May 11, 2016, 08:00:54 PM
It would be a baby, just like everything else they've cloned.
And yes, they can clone human beings, however the religious zealots in the world presently stand between science and this legally happening.
(I am not saying that it has or has not happened, but that it IS a reality).
I remember them cloning a sheep but it seems, IIRC, the cloned one had all kinds of health problems they hadn't expected. That's been a lot of years ago though.
Quote from: libby on May 10, 2016, 11:43:10 PM
Yes! I decided I would comment on 3) "would the clone be considered a separate human being..." and sat there thinking and writing and thinking and writing, and .... finally decided I needed some sleep, and .... still thinkin' .... does cloning include the mind? ... epigenetics ... reincarnation ... where does the soul reside ... (this may take a while ... ) :rolleyes: :confused:
Still thinkin' -- and that made me remember something Bo D posted several years ago, in the original Bluefield Hey Martha chat room: about epigenetics. I knew zilch about it, so printed the article -- still have it somewhere. Anyway, here's a definition, from
The Biology of Belief, by Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D:
"The science of epigenetics, which literally means "control above genetics" profoundly changes our understanding of how life is controlled....In the last decade, epigenetic research has established that DNA blueprints passed down through genes are not set in concrete at birth. Genes are not destiny! Environmental influences, including nutrition, stress, and emotions, can modify those genes without changing the basic blueprint. And those modifications, epigeneticists have discovered, can be passed on to future generations as surely as DNA blueprints are passed on via the double helix."
That was intriguing to me because I remembered something my mother once said about "marking" unborn babies by doing things during pregnancy that might adversely affect the health and general well-being of the child.
I think they would be a separate person with all legal rights. They might have the identical genetic makeup of the original person, but their life experiences and environmental factors would make them a unique individual.
This reminds me of a movie, I think it was The Boys From Brazil. It was about growing new Hitler's.
They sure would make good body parts for your own use. :yes: :biggrin: God won't produce a new arm or leg for you, but you clone sure could. :choo: :choo: :choo:
Quote from: me on May 11, 2016, 08:42:55 PM
I remember them cloning a sheep but it seems, IIRC, the cloned one had all kinds of health problems they hadn't expected. That's been a lot of years ago though.
Dolly lived her entire life at the Roslin Institute in Edinburgh. There she was bred with a Welsh Mountain ram and produced six lambs in total. Her first lamb, named Bonnie, was born in April 1998. The next year Dolly produced twin lambs Sally and Rosie, and she gave birth to triplets Lucy, Darcy and Cotton in the year after that. In late 2001, at the age of four, Dolly developed arthritis and began to walk stiffly. This was treated with anti-inflammatory drugs.
On 14 February 2003, Dolly was euthanised because she had a progressive lung disease and severe arthritis. A Finn Dorset such as Dolly has a life expectancy of around 11 to 12 years, but Dolly lived 6.5 years. A post-mortem examination showed she
had a form of lung cancer called Jaagsiekte,
which is a fairly common disease of sheep and is caused by the retrovirus JSRV. Roslin scientists stated that they did not think there was a connection with Dolly being a clone, and that other sheep in the same flock had died of the same disease. Such lung diseases are a particular danger for sheep kept indoors, and Dolly had to sleep inside for security reasons.
Dolly attained her name as a nod toward the mammary gland DNA from whence she came. And we all know only one Dolly with a mammary connection. . . :big grin: (And yes she was given that name because of Parton) :yes:
http://www.roslin.ed.ac.uk/public-interest/dolly-the-sheep/a-life-of-dolly/ (http://www.roslin.ed.ac.uk/public-interest/dolly-the-sheep/a-life-of-dolly/)
Quote from: Palehorse on May 13, 2016, 03:06:37 PM
And we all know only one Dolly with a mammary connection. . . :big grin: (And yes she was given that name because of Parton) :yes:
http://www.roslin.ed.ac.uk/public-interest/dolly-the-sheep/a-life-of-dolly/ (http://www.roslin.ed.ac.uk/public-interest/dolly-the-sheep/a-life-of-dolly/)
I could just hear Paul Harvey saying...............and NOW you know........................the reeeest of the story!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 13, 2016, 03:16:45 PM
I could just hear Paul Harvey saying...............and NOW you know........................the reeeest of the story!
:biggrin:
Quote from: Palehorse on May 13, 2016, 03:06:37 PM
Dolly lived her entire life at the Roslin Institute in Edinburgh. There she was bred with a Welsh Mountain ram and produced six lambs in total. Her first lamb, named Bonnie, was born in April 1998. The next year Dolly produced twin lambs Sally and Rosie, and she gave birth to triplets Lucy, Darcy and Cotton in the year after that. In late 2001, at the age of four, Dolly developed arthritis and began to walk stiffly. This was treated with anti-inflammatory drugs.
On 14 February 2003, Dolly was euthanised because she had a progressive lung disease and severe arthritis. A Finn Dorset such as Dolly has a life expectancy of around 11 to 12 years, but Dolly lived 6.5 years. A post-mortem examination showed she had a form of lung cancer called Jaagsiekte, which is a fairly common disease of sheep and is caused by the retrovirus JSRV. Roslin scientists stated that they did not think there was a connection with Dolly being a clone, and that other sheep in the same flock had died of the same disease. Such lung diseases are a particular danger for sheep kept indoors, and Dolly had to sleep inside for security reasons.
Dolly attained her name as a nod toward the mammary gland DNA from whence she came. And we all know only one Dolly with a mammary connection. . . :big grin: (And yes she was given that name because of Parton) :yes:
http://www.roslin.ed.ac.uk/public-interest/dolly-the-sheep/a-life-of-dolly/ (http://www.roslin.ed.ac.uk/public-interest/dolly-the-sheep/a-life-of-dolly/)
Guess I missed that but I didn't watch much TV back then either. Glad to know it probably had nothing to do with the cloning.
Quote from: me on May 13, 2016, 04:52:12 PM
Guess I missed that but I didn't watch much TV back then either. Glad to know it probably had nothing to do with the cloning.
Not your fault. DNA is kind of in my wheelhouse so it gets my attention. :yes:
Quote from: Palehorse on May 08, 2016, 10:48:22 AM
I've sent my DNA sample in. . .
In about 8 weeks I will either have validation of the "conjecture" within our oral family history, or scientific evidence that it is a bunch of bunk.
I'm of an age wherein if my analysis results gets into someone else's hands, I don't give a damn. . . I want answers dammit! :icon_twisted:
Okay. The results are in and have been in for several weeks. (I just got sidetracked by other life events for awhile; and my baby sister's genealogy research project got a great big boost from my results).
I have absolutely zero percent Native American DNA in my ancestry. NONE! (Making a liar out of my grandparents on one side of my family).
It turns out I am Western European and for the final piece of irony within this thing, I am Scottish. (NO I am not wearing a damned Kilt!)
Specifically my family hails from the Scottish Highlands and the Frasier Clan - the Lovat area of Scotland.
So this makes me an immigrant just like everyone else, however I am an 8th generation of American. I have even found the grave of the man from whence I emanate within a graveyard 30 miles from our family farm; and he came over here via Ireland with a few men well before 1760. In 1760 he was living in North Carolina and building a community for other Scot-Irish immigrants that were arriving each month so that they'd have a place to stay when they arrived.
Each time I get some time to do a little digging with my sister, we find out more and more about our family history. At this time we have traced back to the 15th century in Scotland and ar filling in the gaps between 1760 and 1400. . . It is AMAZING stuff that makes me wish I could afford to go to Scotland and see the places from which my family has arisen. :smile:
Quote from: Palehorse on June 28, 2016, 01:48:34 PM
Okay. The results are in and have been in for several weeks. (I just got sidetracked by other life events for awhile; and my baby sister's genealogy research project got a great big boost from my results).
I have absolutely zero percent Native American DNA in my ancestry. NONE! (Making a liar out of my grandparents on one side of my family).
It turns out I am Western European and for the final piece of irony within this thing, I am Scottish. (NO I am not wearing a damned Kilt!)
Specifically my family hails from the Scottish Highlands and the Frasier Clan - the Lovat area of Scotland.
So this makes me an immigrant just like everyone else, however I am an 8th generation of American. I have even found the grave of the man from whence I emanate within a graveyard 30 miles from our family farm; and he came over here via Ireland with a few men well before 1760. In 1760 he was living in North Carolina and building a community for other Scot-Irish immigrants that were arriving each month so that they'd have a place to stay when they arrived.
Each time I get some time to do a little digging with my sister, we find out more and more about our family history. At this time we have traced back to the 15th century in Scotland and ar filling in the gaps between 1760 and 1400. . . It is AMAZING stuff that makes me wish I could afford to go to Scotland and see the places from which my family has arisen. :smile:
That is fun stuff to know! I have flirted with the idea, but haven't done so. One of my Uncles (who has passed recently) has done extensive research at one time and my cousin has offered to let me see his results. I am planning on visiting him this fall.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 28, 2016, 04:29:02 PM
That is fun stuff to know! I have flirted with the idea, but haven't done so. One of my Uncles (who has passed recently) has done extensive research at one time and my cousin has offered to let me see his results. I am planning on visiting him this fall.
I wonder how many O0 you have in your wood pile. :wink:
It is fun learning about your ancestors. We (my son, his wife and I) have traced two different lines back prior to the Revolution and men who faught in it. Most have come from Ireland, England and Germany.
My wife checked my grandfather Coate's ancestrey back to Marmaduke Coate in the 1700's in England. She also checked my father's father back to Dark county Ohio where no records were made during that time. She couldn't find anything of his history, except he was an engineer for the Nickle Plate Railroad and he retired from there. :yes: He worked every day during that depression and didn't send his boy any money. :angry:
I didn't like him at all when I was a kid, I only met him two times.. He left my dad and his brother with their poor crazy grandmother in Anderson, Indiana during the worse part of the Hoover depression. He was not a nice man. :mad: :mad: My dad and his brother really had a bad time during the depression of not being feed or clothed very well. :rant: :angry:
Got my results on Saturday, and there were a few surprises. For instance, my daughter showed 2% American Indian. I expected the same or more, because I grew up knowing for sure, from family history, that I had some Indian in me. Seems I am 98% European, mostly Irish.
Here's the breakdown:
Africa North < 1%
Europe 98%:
Ireland 37%
Europe west 29%
Great Britain 22%
Italy/Greece 3%
Iberian Peninsula 2%
Scandinavia 2%
European Jewish 2%
Finland/NW Russia 1%
Pacific Islander < 1%
Polynesia < 1%
My daughter wants to trace hers further back. So do I.
Quote from: Palehorse on June 28, 2016, 01:48:34 PM
Okay. The results are in and have been in for several weeks. (I just got sidetracked by other life events for awhile; and my baby sister's genealogy research project got a great big boost from my results).
I have absolutely zero percent Native American DNA in my ancestry. NONE! (Making a liar out of my grandparents on one side of my family).
It turns out I am Western European and for the final piece of irony within this thing, I am Scottish. (NO I am not wearing a damned Kilt!)
Specifically my family hails from the Scottish Highlands and the Frasier Clan - the Lovat area of Scotland.
So this makes me an immigrant just like everyone else, however I am an 8th generation of American. I have even found the grave of the man from whence I emanate within a graveyard 30 miles from our family farm; and he came over here via Ireland with a few men well before 1760. In 1760 he was living in North Carolina and building a community for other Scot-Irish immigrants that were arriving each month so that they'd have a place to stay when they arrived.
Each time I get some time to do a little digging with my sister, we find out more and more about our family history. At this time we have traced back to the 15th century in Scotland and ar filling in the gaps between 1760 and 1400. . . It is AMAZING stuff that makes me wish I could afford to go to Scotland and see the places from which my family has arisen. :smile:
If you did it through Ancestory.com it won't always show Native blood because they don't do that test particular part of the test or something along those lines. It tells that somewhere in the info they send back. Hubby's didn't show up either and he has pictures of his grandmothers on both sides. I'll see if I can find where they explain that, or have my daughter find it. She knows the site better than I do so it will be easier for her to find again.
Quote from: me on September 20, 2016, 02:02:46 AM
If you did it through Ancestory.com it won't always show Native blood because they don't do that test particular part of the test or something along those lines. It tells that somewhere in the info they send back. Hubby's didn't show up either and he has pictures of his grandmothers on both sides. I'll see if I can find where they explain that, or have my daughter find it. She knows the site better than I do so it will be easier for her to find again.
My daughter said basically the same thing. I don't think her American Indian came from her father because he was born in Germany. His parents were Austrian and Czech.
Quote from: libby on September 20, 2016, 11:34:46 AM
My daughter said basically the same thing. I don't think her American Indian came from her father because he was born in Germany. His parents were Austrian and Czech.
Well lordy, lordy, there must be an Indian :jester: in the wood pile somewhere. :biggrin:
Quote from: The Troll on September 20, 2016, 01:25:20 PM
Well lordy, lordy, there must be an Indian :jester: in the wood pile somewhere. :biggrin:
That is something to be proud of Troll and that's the second racist remark you've made recently.
Quote from: The Troll on June 29, 2016, 11:56:03 AM
I wonder how many O0 you have in your wood pile. :wink:
Quote from: me on September 20, 2016, 03:45:45 PM
That is something to be proud of Troll and that's the second racist remark you've made recently.
Who in hell cares, if it happened so what. :rolleyes: But from what I know of my back ground, I don't think so. O0 Missy Clara Bell. :kick:
Quote from: The Troll on September 20, 2016, 05:17:00 PM
Who in hell cares, if it happened so what. :rolleyes: But from what I know of my back ground, I don't think so. O0 Missy Clara Bell. :kick:
Why make fun of or make smart alec racist cracks to those who may be of Native or Black heratige?
The Madison County Historical Society is giving a class on DNA testing in October if anyone is interested. The class is free.
The only thing that concerns me about all of this is what happens to the individual DNA records once testing is complete and results passed along to whomever made the request.
Quote from: Anne on September 21, 2016, 11:34:57 PM
The Madison County Historical Society is giving a class on DNA testing in October if anyone is interested. The class is free.
:biggrin: :yes: I'll bet the DNA test isn't free. :doh:
Quote from: The Troll on September 22, 2016, 08:41:14 PM
:biggrin: :yes: I'll bet the DNA test isn't free. :doh:
Why would it be?
Quote from: Locutus on September 22, 2016, 12:07:27 AM
The only thing that concerns me about all of this is what happens to the individual DNA records once testing is complete and results passed along to whomever made the request.
I don't know, maybe that will be addressed in the class.
Quote from: Anne on September 22, 2016, 10:07:05 PM
I don't know, maybe that will be addressed in the class.
If you attend the class, please let me know what they say along those lines.
Quote from: Locutus on September 22, 2016, 10:10:28 PM
If you attend the class, please let me know what they say along those lines.
Ok, the class is October 13,
, so it will be awhile.
Thank you!
I'm thinking the blood DNA test shows more than the saliva DNA test and that's what you get through Ancestory.com. I may try to go but if I don't I'd be interested in what you find out too Anne.
I think DNA is DNA, regardless of source.
Semen, saliva, hair follicles, etc., are all the same.
MY brother had his done through 23 and me (23andme.com). It uses saliva and cost $99. He said they have a lengthy privacy policy that you can read at their site. Here's the short version:
How is my privacy protected?
You choose how your genetic information is used and shared with others. We tell you how those choices are implemented and how we collect, use and disclose your information.
We will not share your individual-level information with any third party without your explicit consent
We support the Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act (GINA) and other similar laws that protect individuals from being discriminated against based on their genetics and will not provide your information or results to employers or health insurance companies
We have guidelines and policies in place to protect the personal information of children as well as incapacitated or deceased individuals
We do not provide information to law enforcement unless we are required to comply with a valid subpoena or a court-ordered request
You may be interested in this PH.
http://www.dna-testing-adviser.com/Indian-DNA-Test.html
Quote from: Locutus on September 22, 2016, 12:07:27 AM
The only thing that concerns me about all of this is what happens to the individual DNA records once testing is complete and results passed along to whomever made the request.
I would think but don't know since I have never had it done that they have some confidentiality notice in this but how good it is if they do is anyone's guess. I wonder if after so many years, they shred the information. According to what Abby posted, they can't share the information so they must destroy it somehow.
Quote from: me on September 22, 2016, 10:24:28 PM
I'm thinking the blood DNA test shows more than the saliva DNA test and that's what you get through Ancestory.com. I may try to go but if I don't I'd be interested in what you find out too Anne.
According to dnacenter.org both are reliable it just depends on which one the person wants. The DNA center states there are advantages and disadvantages on both.
Quote from: me on September 22, 2016, 11:58:55 PM
You may be interested in this PH.
http://www.dna-testing-adviser.com/Indian-DNA-Test.html
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on September 23, 2016, 06:02:59 AM
According to dnacenter.org both are reliable it just depends on which one the person wants. The DNA center states there are advantages and disadvantages on both.
I have had both conducted.
From what I'm reading here the test at Ancestory.com was more the forensic type test, well here is what it says:
QuoteIndian Census Collection
They use a set of 21 autosomal markers, including the CODIS markers used by police in forensic investigations.
But instead of looking for differences that can uniquely define one individual, they look for similarities.
They compare your DNA to a global database of more than 1,000 ethnic populations.
This Indian DNA test may report more specific tribes like Apache and Navaho. But as with the prior test, it is currently impossible to get DNA data on large numbers of ethnically pure individuals. The statistical confidence is extremely low and independent experts consider the test a waste of money.
I'm taking it from what I read he needs to either have one of the tests that cover both paternal and maternal or the one that covers the maternal since his grandmothers on both sides were Native.
QuoteIndian DNA Test Options
in Native American Genealogy
Do you have Native American ancestry?
By itself, no Indian DNA test will grant you admission to a particular tribe.
Depending on your situation, however, DNA testing may be just what you need to define your family's biological relationship to Native Americans.
There are many alternatives for DNA testing. Suspecting that a specific ancestor was Native American can suggest one type of test.
On the other hand, trying to detect Native American ancestry based physical features or non-specific family lore may suggest a different test. That's why it's important to at least scan the subheads below before you choose the correct test for your needs.
The Right Indian DNA Test Depends on Your Situation
Each section below describes a particular situation. If that situation does not apply to you, move on to the next one.
You think a particular MALE ancestor may have been a Native American
Since the ancestor in question was male, you can use a Y-DNA test of a male in that man's direct paternal line, i.e. any son, or any sons of those sons, or any of their sons etc. You want to know the paternal haplogroup.
If the haplogroup is C or Q, then it's highly likely that this ancestor is descended from Native Americans who were here before European contact. If the haplogroup subgroup is C3b or Q1a3a, then you have absolute confirmation.
I recommend Family Tree DNA for Y-DNA testing. To see why, read my FTDNA Review. Although a 12-marker test is sufficient to detect the Native American haplogroups, I recommend at least 37 markers if you want to identify and correspond with your biological cousins.
They also offer deep clade testing that can refine your haplogroup to the deepest subclade possible.
NOTE: If your haplogroup is not C or Q, this does not rule out Native American ancestry in another line.
For example, many men of eastern U.S. tribes, such as Cherokee, have a European haplogroup like R1b. That's because there was a lot of intermingling with the early settlers from Europe.
So your Indian ancestor with a European haplogroup could be culturally Indian and genetically Indian through a female line.
You think a particular FEMALE ancestor may have been a Native American
Since the ancestor in question was female, she did not have a Y chromosome to pass on. She did pass on her mitochondrial DNA.
So you need an mtDNA test of a man or woman in that ancestor's direct maternal line, i.e. any child of hers, or any child of her daughters, or any child of her daughter's daughters etc. You want to know the maternal haplogroup.
Maternal haplogroups that indicate Native American heritage are A, B, C, D, and sometimes X. Unlike the paternal line, there is no subgroup that can provide absolute proof of Indian heritage.
But if that ancestor's family did not immigrate from elsewhere, you can be quite sure of the findings.
You can determine the base haplogroup through any mtDNA test at Family Tree DNA. You don't need the more expensive full mitochondrial sequence test for this.
You think you're part Native American but can't identify a specific ancestor
In this case, your first choice for an Indian DNA test would be one of three new DNA tests that check nearly a million autosomal markers.
These tests look at DNA inherited from ALL your ancestors. They are much broader tests, because they are not limited to paternal or maternal lines.
How! Me not know if I am Indian. :jester: Me must beat dead horses :deadhorse: beat drums :drummer: ride horses :ride: and scalp cowboys. :knife: :jester: :toothless: :mooning:
I went to the DNA meeting at the MCHS last week. The lady compared three companies that do DNA testing, Ancestry, Family tree DNA and 23 and me. All three will give basic information about you ethnicity and possible DNA matches. Ancestry costs $99. If you belong to Ancestry they will send you hints and match you to possible matching circles of possible relatives. Familytreedna costs start at $79 and go up to $500+ foot full Ydna (male) and Mtdna (female) testing.23and me costs $99 for ancestry which includes, I think, ethnic composition, workgroups, Neanderthal ancestry and possible DNA matches. For $199 you get additional medical information including carrier status 35+ (cystic fibrosis, etc.), wellness 5 (lactose intolerance, muscle composition, etc.) And Traits 19+ (hair and eye color, baldness, freckles etc.). They may be releasing more medical info later. All three of these companies say they won't release any of the info to a third party unless they are compelled by court order. I also looked into the National Geographic Genographic Project. That test is $179 gives regional ethnicity information. It is anonymous and info is placed in public domain . There were several reviews, I didn't see any good ones.
Quote from: Anne on October 17, 2016, 05:03:37 PM
I went to the DNA meeting at the MCHS last week. The lady compared three companies that do DNA testing, Ancestry, Family tree DNA and 23 and me. All three will give basic information about you ethnicity and possible DNA matches. Ancestry costs $99. If you belong to Ancestry they will send you hints and match you to possible matching circles of possible relatives. Familytreedna costs start at $79 and go up to $500+ foot full Ydna (male) and Mtdna (female) testing.23and me costs $99 for ancestry which includes, I think, ethnic composition, workgroups, Neanderthal ancestry and possible DNA matches. For $199 you get additional medical information including carrier status 35+ (cystic fibrosis, etc.), wellness 5 (lactose intolerance, muscle composition, etc.) And Traits 19+ (hair and eye color, baldness, freckles etc.). They may be releasing more medical info later. All three of these companies say they won't release any of the info to a third party unless they are compelled by court order. I also looked into the National Geographic Genographic Project. That test is $179 gives regional ethnicity information. It is anonymous and info is placed in public domain . There were several reviews, I didn't see any good ones.
Annie, can you check to see if there is any mental illness in your family and how far it runs back. :cry: :cry: :cry: :wink: :smile:
". . ."When law enforcement is searching private databases of DNA and there's no regulation and no judicial supervision, that does raise profound concerns about what is permissible activity by law enforcement," said Steve Mercer, chief attorney for the Forensics Division of the Maryland Office of the Public Defender and a vocal opponent of familial testing. . ."
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2016/11/30/how-forensic-genealogy-led-arrest-phoenix-canal-killer-case-bryan-patrick-miller-dna/94565410/ (http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2016/11/30/how-forensic-genealogy-led-arrest-phoenix-canal-killer-case-bryan-patrick-miller-dna/94565410/)
So here we go. Apparently law enforcement is now partnering with Ancestral DNA "experts" to mine the DNA databases (private) to search for criminals. Now while I have nothing what-so-ever to hide from the law, it still leaves me more than a little uneasy knowing my DNA profile is within at least 3 different data-bases that exist ( 1 of them the ground breaking work done when the human genome was first mapped and that one at a bare minimum is covered under HIPA).
It begs the questions; Is this legal? Should it be legal? Does HIPA apply? Should it? (All subjects we have already kind of touched on already).
The fact is the benefits of the database toward health and history have the potential to be great, however it likely could be mis-used or at least there exists an unknown potential for it to be mis-used. Moreover, as word of this new and unintended use of the DNA databases spreads, how will this impact the public's willingness to undergo such analysis? And what will the impact be to the companies that have, to this point, been growing substantially due to its gradual increase in popularity?
Phoenix Police used this methodology to identify a suspect via DNA in a cold case from the 90's wherein two young women were killed and had their bodies dumped into a local canal. (Well one body and one head). Granted, it is innovative and in this case lead to what seems to be an open and shut case against the man accused.
On the opposite side of the spectrum, Idaho Falls Police submitted an unknown killer's DNA to Ancestry for analysis and after running the profile through their database they came up with a close match. That individual was the father of a New Orleans FIlm Maker that had donated his DNA to a non-profit that was later acquired by Ancestry. As a result, the film maker was arrested, interrogated for hours until he submitted to a DNA analysis himself; and he remained a suspect until he eventually was ruled out.
The use of DNA databases not under the express control of Law Enforcement Officials, and produced via the partnership between private citizens and these DNA businesses is concerning. It represents an unintended use of private health information that should be sacred, and is sacred between a patient and doctor. Should this not be the case when it comes to the donors and DNA companies?
With a heavy handed President of the US getting ready to take the reins in a few short weeks, is this something lobbyists for law enforcement will press for legislation to enable? The reality is if they do he is probably the most likely individual in the nation to come out in favor of it and create a compulsory National DNA database under the strict possession of law enforcement.
The potential ramifications are mortifying as one could easily see Health Insurers lobbying for use of this data to "right price" health care policies for individuals in this country. Meaning not only will they be up your sphincters but in your DNA as well.
All of this from a little spit in a vial and $99 of your hard earned money. . . :mad: :mad: :mad: