Any thoughts on the Charleston, SC church shooting?
Quote from: Locutus on June 18, 2015, 01:12:28 PM
Any thoughts on the Charleston, SC church shooting?
It really sucks! Very heart breaking....they need to burn this kid at the stake.
I think this message from Ben Carson is what message from OUR POTUS should have more like, instead of taking that situation and making it a political issue, like he ALWAYS does.
(http://chicksontheright.com/images/Red%20Dawn/500x624xcarson,281,29.jpg.pagespeed.ic.ttzA3haGhz.jpg)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 19, 2015, 11:35:04 AM
I think this message from Ben Carson is what message from OUR POTUS should have more like, instead of taking that situation and making it a political issue, like he ALWAYS does.
You mean like you just did? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on June 19, 2015, 12:17:15 PM
You mean like you just did? :rolleyes:
YES! Exactly!!!!
I not the POTUS...just an annoying conservative on a liberal forum... :yes: That is my role on here.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 19, 2015, 12:37:09 PM
YES! Exactly!!!!
I not the POTUS...just an annoying conservative on a liberal forum... :yes: That is my role on here.
You clearly need a hobby.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 19, 2015, 11:35:04 AM
I think this message from Ben Carson is what message from OUR POTUS should have more like, instead of taking that situation and making it a political issue, like he ALWAYS does.
(http://chicksontheright.com/images/Red%20Dawn/500x624xcarson,281,29.jpg.pagespeed.ic.ttzA3haGhz.jpg)
I am seriously trying to make a point on just how a classy president would address such a tragedy. Trying to build relations and restore hope. Not being racially motivated and politically motivated. I think this is important role of a POTUS.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 19, 2015, 04:22:22 PM
I am seriously trying to make a point on just how a classy president would address such a tragedy. Trying to build relations and restore hope. Not being racially motivated and politically motivated. I think this is important role of a POTUS.
I never understand the "more gun control/Legislation" perspective that always gets dragged out by both sides of the aisle in this tragedies.
Someone needs to explain to me just how adding additional hoops for ALREADY law abiding firearm owners to jump through, does ANYTHING to restrict the ability of those who pay no attention to the laws we have in place already and thumb their noses at such laws anyway, to obtain firearms illegally?
When you take away the ability of a law abiding citizenry to arm itself against those who would do them harm, then only those who intend to do them harm will have firearms; for they pay no attention to the legislation in the first place.
Instead of prayer we need stiff laws that PUNISH those who use a firearm in the commission of a crime. (Which we already have in some municipalities). Then we need to ENFORCE these laws and prepare to house these animals in appropriate facilities for the balance of their lives; or kill them as the law deems appropriate.
One thing that Obama pointed out along these lines that's true. We don't see these kind of mass shootings happening in any other developed country other than the United States.
Why?
That said, gun control is pretty much prohibited by the Constitution, so regardless of how much clamoring is done by either side in that debate, it's not going to change anything because the Constitution guarantees the right to keep and bear arms.
That, however, doesn't change the fact that it happens only here, and that's terribly sad.
Quote from: Locutus on June 19, 2015, 05:55:46 PM
One thing that Obama pointed out along these lines that's true. We don't see these kind of mass shootings happening in any other developed country other than the United States.
Why?
That said, gun control is pretty much prohibited by the Constitution, so regardless of how much clamoring is done by either side in that debate, it's not going to change anything because the Constitution guarantees the right to keep and bear arms.
That, however, doesn't change the fact that it happens only here, and that's terribly sad.
Not necessarily true though. Look at that guy a few years back that shot all those people in one of those Nordic countries. . .
I will agree it doesn't seem to happen with the frequency that it does here, but then we don't have groups like ISIS infesting our country either.
Here's more: (Bolded one is the one I was talking about in my prior post)
March 13, 1996
Dunblane, Scotland 16 children and one teacher killed at Dunblane Primary School by Thomas Hamilton, who then killed himself. 10 others wounded in attack.
March 1997
Sanaa, Yemen Eight people (six students and two others) at two schools killed by Mohammad Ahman al-Naziri.
April 28, 1999
Taber, Alberta, Canada One student killed, one wounded at W. R. Myers High School in first fatal high school shooting in Canada in 20 years. The suspect, a 14-year-old boy, had dropped out of school after he was severely ostracized by his classmates.
Dec. 7, 1999
Veghel, Netherlands One teacher and three students wounded by a 17-year-old student.
March 2000
Branneburg, Germany One teacher killed by a 15-year-old student, who then shot himself. The shooter has been in a coma ever since.
an. 18, 2001
Jan, Sweden One student killed by two boys, ages 17 and 19.
Feb. 19, 2002
Freising, Germany Two killed in Eching by a man at the factory from which he had been fired; he then traveled to Freising and killed the headmaster of the technical school from which he had been expelled. He also wounded another teacher before killing himself.
April 26, 2002
Erfurt, Germany 13 teachers, two students, and one policeman killed, ten wounded by Robert Steinhaeuser, 19, at the Johann Gutenberg secondary school. Steinhaeuser then killed himself.
April 29, 2002
Vlasenica, Bosnia-Herzegovina One teacher killed, one wounded by Dragoslav Petkovic, 17, who then killed himself.
Sept. 28, 2004
Carmen de Patagones, Argentina Three students killed and 6 wounded by a 15-year-old Argentininan student in a town 620 miles south of Buenos Aires.
Sept. 13, 2006
Montreal, Canada Kimveer Gill, 25, opened fire with a semiautomatic weapon at Dawson College. Anastasia De Sousa, 18, died and more than a dozen students and faculty were wounded before Gill killed himself.
Nov. 7, 2007
Tuusula, Finland An 18-year-old student in southern Finland shot and killed five boys, two girls, and the female principal at Jokela High School. At least 10 others were injured. The gunman shot himself and died from his wounds in the hospital.
Sept. 23, 2008
Kauhajoki, Finland A 20-year-old male student shot and killed at least nine students and himself at a vocational college in Kauhajok, 330km (205 miles) north of the capital, Helsinki.
March 11, 2009
Winnenden, Germany Fifteen people were shot and killed at Albertville Technical High School in southwestern Germany by a 17-year-old boy who attended the same school.
April 30, 2009
Azerbaijan, Baku A Georgian citizen of Azerbaijani descent killed 12 students and staff at Azerbaijan State Oil Academy. Several others were wounded.
April 7, 2011
Rio de Janeiro, Brazil A 23-year-old former student returned to his public elementary school in Rio de Janeiro and began firing, killing 12 children and seriously wounding more than a dozen others, before shooting himself in the head. While Brazil has seen gang-related violence in urban areas, this was the worst school shooting the country has ever seen.
July 22, 2011
Tyrifjorden, Buskerud, Norway A gunman disguised as a policeman opened fire at a camp for young political activists on the island of Utoya. The gunman kills 68 campers, including personal friends of Prime Minister Stoltenberg. Police arrested Anders Behring Breivik, a 32-year-old Norwegian who had been been linked to an anti-Islamic group.
March 19, 2012
Toulouse, France Mohammed Merah, a French man of Algerian descent, shot and killed a rabbi, two of his children, and another child at a Jewish school. Police believe he had earlier shot and killed three paratroopers. Merah said he was a member of Al Qaeda and that he was seeking revenge for the killing of Palestinian children.
September 21, 2013
Nairobi, Kenya Shabab militants, who are based in Somalia, attacked an upscale mall, killing nearly 70 people and wounding about 175. The siege lasted for three days, with persistent fighting between government troops and militants. The attack was meticulously planned, and the militants proved to be challenging for the government to dislodge from the Westgate mall.
January 7, 2015
Paris, France Three masked gunmen storm the office of Charlie Hebdo, a satirical weekly magazine, and kill 12 people, including the paper's top editors and cartoonists, as well as two police officers. The provocative magazine is known for publishing charged cartoons that satirized Islamic terrorists and the Prophet Muhammad.
So that's 18 events that you cited since 1999. There are probably more that you didn't find, but compare that to the rate in our country. These are "active shooter" incidents in the United States in recent years. 160 in basically the same time period, and there are probably more here too; a lot more probably. The trend is up.
(https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2015/06/shootings.jpg&w=480)
Quote from: Locutus on June 19, 2015, 06:12:39 PM
So that's 18 events that you cited since 1999. There are probably more that you didn't find, but compare that to the rate in our country. These are "active shooter" incidents in the United States in recent years. 160 in basically the same time period, and there are probably more here too; a lot more probably. The trend is up.
(https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2015/06/shootings.jpg&w=480)
I don't dispute that they are happening with greater frequency, or so it seems, in the U.S.. But in countries that have draconian firearm laws and in those that have none, they still happen. Over regulation of an already law abiding group of citizens does nothing to positively impact the problem, but sure does wonders for boosting the governmental revenue streams.
If we were to completely disarm every single law abiding citizen in this nation, only the criminals will have firearms. That doesn't sound like a solution to me. In fact, it sounds like a way to turn law abiding citizens into criminals. . .
Oh, and Colt has filed for bankruptcy: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/06/17/dropped-by-the-u-s-military-colt-goes-bankrupt.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/06/17/dropped-by-the-u-s-military-colt-goes-bankrupt.html)
Statistically the U.S. is the 3rd most populace country in the world, so our incident rate surrounding mass killing events should be larger than average. Not excusing it but trying to explain in part why such occurrences seem to happen more frequently here.
This would especially true if, theoretically, these things end up being driven by a mental or physical defect that occurs with a particular frequency rate within human beings. (No proof of this since very little to nothing is known surrounding why these individuals do such things).
Add to this the media's willingness, especially within the U.S., to turn such events into circus events and over time it would seem the U.S. is worse than anywhere else in the world. I don't believe that, but admittedly I am not so sure either.
It is sad what happened. We are in Charleston for vacation and I can't explain the grief of a city. The people here are so friendly.
Maybe the reason, we don't hear about it in other countries is the media is more controlled over there, I don't know if that is true or not but just saying that. Our media is all about what makes news-good, bad or indifferent, it's what is popular.
I think we need to be making tougher questions for allowing people to buy guns and treatment for mental illness needs to be a major help in health care. I did like what the judge said yesterday in the hearing and that is his parents are victims also, whether the system failed them, they failed as parents in getting him help or what happened. It is just 21 years ago, this kid and yes, he is still a kid to me, even though, he is an adult was a baby. A baby full of pure and innocence. Somewhere along the way, his brain got warped with hate and evil. Fixing it will not solve the problem of what he did but maybe it can prevent it from happening again and somewhere else.
Evil exists when good people sit idly by and do nothing.
Here's a link to the shooter's manifesto that was uncovered online in the last few hours.
http://lastrhodesian.com/data/documents/rtf88.txt
Quote from: Palehorse on June 19, 2015, 05:49:58 PM
I never understand the "more gun control/Legislation" perspective that always gets dragged out by both sides of the aisle in this tragedies.
Someone needs to explain to me just how adding additional hoops for ALREADY law abiding firearm owners to jump through, does ANYTHING to restrict the ability of those who pay no attention to the laws we have in place already and thumb their noses at such laws anyway, to obtain firearms illegally?
When you take away the ability of a law abiding citizenry to arm itself against those who would do them harm, then only those who intend to do them harm will have firearms; for they pay no attention to the legislation in the first place.
Instead of prayer we need stiff laws that PUNISH those who use a firearm in the commission of a crime. (Which we already have in some municipalities). Then we need to ENFORCE these laws and prepare to house these animals in appropriate facilities for the balance of their lives; or kill them as the law deems appropriate.
We got enough laws on the books about guns. What we need is more mental illness control and how to get the nuts cured or put away and off the streets. :yes: The damn lawyers did away with the Insane Asylums and to put a nut away is almost impossible anymore. :rant: :dizzy2: :hang:
Quote from: The Troll on June 21, 2015, 05:30:44 PM
We got enough laws on the books about guns. What we need is more mental illness control and how to get the nuts cured or put away and off the streets. :yes: The damn lawyers did away with the Insane Asylums and to put a nut away is almost impossible anymore. :rant: :dizzy2: :hang:
Troll, you and I agree on something!!
We do NOT have a gun control problem. ZERO! We have a Mentally Ill Problem. We have WAY TOO many of them here.
For our POTUS to claim that this type of violence doesn't happen anywhere is bullshit!! He is just taking a very, very sad situation and trying to gain some political points....and that is a sad situation all by itself.
Just a couple of days ago THIS happened.....
A seven-year-old boy is reportedly among the three people killed in Austria by a man who ploughed his car into crowds in the country's second-largest city and then reportedly started stabbing people.
A witness told the Wiener Zeitung newspaper that dead bodies were left lying face down in the road after the vehicle sped through streets near the the historical Herrengasse in Graz.
The killing only stopped when the driver parked his battered car outside a police station.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/at-least-two-killed-in-austria-after-man-drives-into-crowd-before-stabbing-passersby-in-graz-10333891.html
Quote from: Locutus on June 20, 2015, 04:03:02 PM
Here's a link to the shooter's manifesto that was uncovered online in the last few hours.
So one of his early inspirations for his racist, segregationist views was the hate group, Council of Conservative Citizens, whose leader, Earl Holt III, is also an active Republican campaign donor. Nice! :rolleyes:
The Guardian.... :rolleyes:
CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/22/politics/earl-holt-dylann-roof-2016-gop-donations/index.html)
:roll eyes:
Quote from: Locutus on June 22, 2015, 12:12:05 PM
C (http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/22/politics/earl-holt-dylann-roof-2016-gop-donations/index.html)http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/22/politics/earl-holt-dylann-roof-2016-gop-donations/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/22/politics/earl-holt-dylann-roof-2016-gop-donations/index.html)NN (http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/22/politics/earl-holt-dylann-roof-2016-gop-donations/index.html)
:rolleyes:
The presidential donations were first reported by The Guardian on Sunday. Holt gave $1,750 to Paul and $8,500 to Cruz's campaign and super PAC. (http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/22/politics/earl-holt-dylann-roof-2016-gop-donations/index.html)
Trying to politicize this is beyond pathetic. :rant:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 22, 2015, 12:05:47 PM
The Guardian.... :rolleyes:
The Guardian what? Did you read his manifesto, stupid?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 22, 2015, 12:17:34 PM
The presidential donations were first reported by The Guardian on Sunday. Holt gave $1,750 to Paul and $8,500 to Cruz's campaign and super PAC. (http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/22/politics/earl-holt-dylann-roof-2016-gop-donations/index.html)
Trying to politicize this is beyond pathetic.
You can do it but no one else can?
Quote from: Exterminator on June 22, 2015, 12:24:55 PM
The Guardian what? Did you read his manifesto or are you trying to say the Holt wasn't a conservative supporter?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 22, 2015, 12:42:24 PM
I'm saying what fucking difference does it make?
What difference does it make that there are connections between conservatives and more blatant racists?
Quote from: Exterminator on June 22, 2015, 12:51:12 PM
What difference does it make that there are connections between conservatives and more blatant racists?
There are connections between democrats and blatant racists...what is your point?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 22, 2015, 01:13:44 PM
There are connections between democrats and blatant racists...what is your point?
Frequency.
equal to or greater than
=> :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 19, 2015, 11:35:04 AM
I think this message from Ben Carson is what message from OUR POTUS should have more like, instead of taking that situation and making it a political issue, like he ALWAYS does.
Ben Carson is an idiot. The only reason you use him is to fraudulently attempt to convince people you're not really racist - just like other Repukes.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 19, 2015, 12:37:09 PM
YES! Exactly!!!!
I not the POTUS...just an annoying conservative on a liberal forum... :yes: That is my role on here.
Your 'role'? If you have a 'role', then you're nothing but a phoney - but I think just about everyone here already knew that. :wink:
Quote from: Y on June 30, 2015, 07:04:35 PM
Ben Carson is an idiot. The only reason you use him is to fraudulently attempt to convince people you're not really racist - just like other Repukes.
That must be a racist remark since saying that exact same thing about Obama makes a person a racist. You can't have it both ways.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 19, 2015, 04:22:22 PM
I am seriously trying to make a point on just how a classy president would address such a tragedy. Trying to build relations and restore hope. Not being racially motivated and politically motivated. I think this is important role of a POTUS.
The only reason you take that line is because you're racist and you don't want to face the true facts of America's race history - past and present.
One can't remedy problems unless one knows exactly what they are and faces the reality of them. You can't/refuse to do either. It hurts you tender lil' sensibilities to face up to the racism of this country - racism you promote regularly.
Quote from: me on June 30, 2015, 07:11:30 PM
That must be a racist remark since saying that exact same thing about Obama makes a person a racist. You can't have it both ways.
Oh really? Let's see you give a cogent explanation of that one.
Quote from: Palehorse on June 19, 2015, 05:49:58 PM
I never understand the "more gun control/Legislation" perspective that always gets dragged out by both sides of the aisle in this tragedies.
Someone needs to explain to me just how adding additional hoops for ALREADY law abiding firearm owners to jump through, does ANYTHING to restrict the ability of those who pay no attention to the laws we have in place already and thumb their noses at such laws anyway, to obtain firearms illegally?...
The real problems are 1) the availability of firearms; 2) the vast sub 100 IQ population.
The availability of firearms simply increases astronomically the probability of their use. The vast amount of sub 100 IQ populace means that there exists a HUGE segment of the populace who have neither the intelligence nor emotional control to own firearms even though they have the legal right to own them, and that also increases astronomically the probability of their use.
Add that to all the illegal firearms and illegal users and you have a sure fire recipe for high rates of gun violence - and especially instances of violence exactly like this one. That's because firearms allow someone to cause so much carnage in so short a time span, and because that ability is also very concealable.
I understand where you're coming from, you wouldn't be one to commit such an atrocity as this, and neither would I, but you must admit that we are really in a small minority.
We need a sane gun control policy.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 22, 2015, 10:28:21 AM
...For our POTUS to claim that this type of violence doesn't happen anywhere is bullshit!! He is just taking a very, very sad situation and trying to gain some political points....and that is a sad situation all by itself...
You can't help but regurgitate lies and half truths to smear the 'nigra' in your 'white' house.
Here's his complete statement:
http://time.com/3926839/president-obama-charleston-transcript/
But let's be clear: At some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency. <sarcasm> But you don't have any racist motives, do you Hank. :rolleyes: </sarcasm>
Quote from: Y on June 30, 2015, 07:17:42 PM
Oh really? Let's see you give a cogent explanation of that one.
Well, if one disagrees with the current administration they are called a racist so, therefore, it should only be that if you disagree, or especially call someone who is black an idiot or ignorant, no matter what their politics, you are also being racist. They are still black and the same rules should apply both ways and for everyone.
Quote from: Y on June 30, 2015, 07:55:21 PM
You can't help but regurgitate lies and half truths to smear the 'nigra' in your 'white' house.
Here's his complete statement:
http://time.com/3926839/president-obama-charleston-transcript/
But let's be clear: At some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency.
<sarcasm> But you don't have any racist motives, do you Hank. :rolleyes: </sarcasm>
Did you have racist motives in mind when you called Carson an idiot?
Quote from: me on June 30, 2015, 09:07:50 PM
Well, if one disagrees with the current administration they are called a racist so, therefore, it should only be that if you disagree, or especially call someone who is black an idiot or ignorant, no matter what their politics, you are also being racist. They are still black and the same rules should apply both ways and for everyone.
S'funny, I haven't seen everyone who disagrees with Obama called a 'racist', and neither have you.
I have seen folks exhibiting racial prejudice against Obama, his wife, his children, and even other blacks being called out as racists.
When you can't elucidate a cogent argument against Obama or other blacks, the only obvious answer to your attacks is racism.
I've put forth a cogent argument as to why Carson should be considered an 'idiot'.
Therefore, dah-link, apples and oranges.
Quote from: me on June 30, 2015, 09:09:06 PM
Did you have racist motives in mind when you called Carson an idiot?
Nope! I'll call anyone who thinks this planet is only a few thousand years old an idiot. :wink:
Quote from: Y on June 30, 2015, 10:02:39 PM
S'funny, I haven't seen everyone who disagrees with Obama called a 'racist', and neither have you.
I have seen folks exhibiting racial prejudice against Obama, his wife, his children, and even other blacks being called out as racists.
When you can't elucidate a cogent argument against Obama or other blacks, the only obvious answer to your attacks is racism.
I've put forth a cogent argument as to why Carson should be considered an 'idiot'.
Therefore, dah-link, apples and oranges.
I have been called a racist on here many times for disagreeing with Obama's policies and so have others. I have attacked policies not the person and that does not make me a racist. The old divide and conquer policy is at work strong and has been for, oh, about 6 years now it just started slowly and gained speed. Is martial law going to have to be declared at some point next year or maybe later this year? I sure hope not but it's sure getting nasty out there.
Quote from: me on June 30, 2015, 11:50:05 PM
Is martial law going to have to be declared at some point next year or maybe later this year? I sure hope not but it's sure getting nasty out there.
Oh? And who do you think is causing all the trouble?
I seriously doubt that black folks are behind all those church burnings lately.
Quote from: me on June 30, 2015, 11:50:05 PM
I have been called a racist on here many times for disagreeing with Obama's policies and so have others.
Because in every single instance, you have failed to elucidate what those policies are and with which details of them you disagree. When you've tried, it has been proven that you consistently have the details wrong.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 01, 2015, 09:27:34 AM
Because in every single instance, you have failed to elucidate what those policies are and with which details of them you disagree. When you've tried, it has been proven that you consistently have the details wrong.
So you are saying everyone should agree with what's going on with this administration and there is no room for any other opinion since there are others, both black and white, who agree with me. Just because he is black does not mean he shouldn't, or can't, be disagreed with. I do not like liberal policies and I for sure don't like what is going on now. He is not all knowing and he does tend to think his way is the only way whether you admit it or not.
Quote from: me on July 01, 2015, 10:37:18 AM
So you are saying everyone should agree with what's going on with this administration and there is no room for any other opinion since there are others, both black and white, who agree with me. Just because he is black does not mean he shouldn't, or can't, be disagreed with. I do not like liberal policies and I for sure don't like what is going on now. He is not all knowing and he does tend to think his way is the only way whether you admit it or not.
As I have pointed out previously, you don't dislike him because you dislike his policies, you dislike his policies because you don't like him. Big difference with your racism at its core.
Funny how it's always the absolute worst examples of any race who have the biggest issues with other races.
How can I dislike someone I don't know? In spite of what you chose to believe I dislike the current administrations policies. You didn't on other people disliking the policies of this administration or why you think everyone should agree with them. I'm sorry but, unlike people who voted for him just because he is black, I will not agree with him just because he is black.
Quote from: me on July 01, 2015, 11:48:06 AM
How can I dislike someone I don't know?
Prejudice.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 01, 2015, 11:52:59 AM
Prejudice.
Even if he were white I would still dislike his policies which are almost the same as Hillary's. I also dislike her policies and would not vote for her.
Quote from: me on July 02, 2015, 07:24:35 AM
I also dislike her policies and would not vote for her.
What are her policies? What are the policies of the Republican candidates that you do like?
She reminds me of this ...
(http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/iTwRiZ.jnEQVbUCimAD0tA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTE5MDtweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz02MDA-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ucomics.com/pb150702.gif)
Quote from: me on July 02, 2015, 07:24:35 AM
Even if he were white I would still dislike his policies which are almost the same as Hillary's. I also dislike her policies and would not vote for her.
Just what is her policies, Sweet Cake? You don't have any idea of what her policies are. :yes: All you know is what you got from Fox News and the Republican blogs you read. :doh: :kiss: :gorgeous:
Quote from: The Troll on July 02, 2015, 11:43:55 AM
Just what is her policies, Sweet Cake? You don't have any idea of what her policies are. :yes: All you know is what you got from Fox News and the Republican blogs you read. :doh: :kiss: :gorgeous:
STFU Troll, all you know is what MSNBC spouts off about.......you don't know shit about Ted Cruz's policies or Rand Paul...other than what Rachel Maddow tells you. :doh: :kiss: :gorgeous:
Ted Cruz wants to subject the SCOTUS justices to retention elections. You think that's a good idea HH?
Quote from: Locutus on July 02, 2015, 01:35:55 PM
Ted Cruz wants to subject the SCOTUS justices to retention elections. You think that's a good idea HH?
I don't know to be honest if it is good or bad.......I think Ted is at least throwing out the idea to restore some balance to what easily could be an imbalanced separation of powers...there are others out there who feel something needs to be done. To early to chastise him for this, imo.
Quote from: Locutus on July 02, 2015, 01:35:55 PM
Ted Cruz wants to subject the SCOTUS justices to retention elections. You think that's a good idea HH?
I know you asked the question of Hank, but I can't help but think of today's "Pearls before swine" cartoon. I really don't think the average electorate is qualified to vote for a city mayor, much less a Supreme Court justice.
(http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/iTwRiZ.jnEQVbUCimAD0tA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTE5MDtweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz02MDA-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ucomics.com/pb150702.gif)
Quote from: Bo D on July 02, 2015, 01:53:18 PM
I know you asked the question of Hank, but I can't help but think of today's "Pearls before swine" cartoon. I really don't think the average electorate is qualified to vote for a city mayor, much less a Supreme Court justice.
So so sad, buy yet so so true!!!!!!!!
Hard to argue that point...but, I think a dialogue on doing something is not a bad thing....
The funny (and stupid) thing about it is that he posed that solution to solve a problem of the court becoming too political in his opinion. So to solve a problem over an overly political court, we'll subject the justices to recall elections, which would do nothing more than make the court more political. :rolleyes: He's an idiot.
Quote from: Bo D on July 02, 2015, 01:53:18 PM
I know you asked the question of Hank, but I can't help but think of today's "Pearls before swine" cartoon. I really don't think the average electorate is qualified to vote for a city mayor, much less a Supreme Court justice.
Yup! 100% agreement on this one.
Quote from: Locutus on July 02, 2015, 02:12:58 PM
The funny (and stupid) thing about it is that he posed that solution to solve a problem of the court becoming too political in his opinion. So to solve a problem over an overly political court, we'll subject the justices to recall elections, which would do nothing more than make the court more political. :rolleyes: He's an idiot.
Why does this make him an idiot?? I think it is highly factual our scotus is ALREADY TOO POLITICAL.....but, a solution to this needs to be rendered...I read where maybe the impeachment process should be re-evaluated.
It makes him an idiot because he posed a solution that would make the problem he's trying to solve even bigger.
Quote from: Locutus on July 02, 2015, 03:10:21 PM
It makes him an idiot because he posed a solution that would make the problem he's trying to solve even bigger.
:yes:
Quote from: Locutus on July 02, 2015, 03:10:21 PM
It makes him an idiot because he posed a solution that would make the problem he's trying to solve even bigger.
And you have a better idea? At least Cruz is a graduate from Princeton, and he attended Harvard Law School, graduating magna cum laude in 1995 with a Juris Doctor degree..you guys LOVE to shove Obamas college credential at us....also, Professor Alan Dershowitz said, "Cruz was off-the-charts brilliant."
So, I think the brunt of all of this is...you don't like him because he is from the "tea-party" group of young men who is claiming DC. Isn't it?
From Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 02, 2015, 03:32:30 PM
And you have a better idea? At least Cruz is a graduate from Princeton, and he attended Harvard Law School, graduating magna cum laude in 1995 with a Juris Doctor degree..you guys LOVE to shove Obamas college credential at us....also, Professor Alan Dershowitz said, "Cruz was off-the-charts brilliant."
So, I think the brunt of all of this is...you don't like him because he is from the "tea-party" group of young men who is claiming DC. Isn't it?
From Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz)
I don't like him because he is a zealot, prone to emotional, knee jerk reactions, and represents a dire threat to global diplomacy. Have you read his views on immigration?
He is a dire threat to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" to every single American Citizen, waiting to happen.
Quote from: Palehorse on July 02, 2015, 03:38:21 PM
I don't like him because he is a zealot, prone to emotional, knee jerk reactions, and represents a dire threat to global diplomacy. Have you read his views on immigration?
He is a dire threat to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" to every single American Citizen, waiting to happen.
I haven't read a lot about him....I did watch the Katie Couric interview with him.......I do not think he is a dire threat......but, I am not ready to dive in and defend him, at least not today.....his interview was pretty good, I thought.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 02, 2015, 01:50:22 PM
I don't know to be honest if it is good or bad.......I think Ted is at least throwing out the idea to restore some balance to what easily could be an imbalanced separation of powers...there are others out there who feel something needs to be done. To early to chastise him for this, imo.
Oh c'mon, Hank, which is it? You whine about the president supposedly overstepping his bounds when he treads on your stupid ideology, and now you're whining about the SC when they do it. It appears you're a hypocrite.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 02, 2015, 03:32:30 PM
And you have a better idea? At least Cruz is a graduate from Princeton, and he attended Harvard Law School, graduating magna cum laude in 1995 with a Juris Doctor degree..you guys LOVE to shove Obamas college credential at us....also, Professor Alan Dershowitz said, "Cruz was off-the-charts brilliant."
So, I think the brunt of all of this is...you don't like him because he is from the "tea-party" group of young men who is claiming DC. Isn't it?
From Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz)
LMAO!
You disparage Obama as a 'community organizer' for having similar credentials and yet here you are praising Ted the Fool's credentials only because he espouses your beloved stupidity.
What a hypocrite!
Dylann Roof has been found guilty.
Quote from: Locutus on December 15, 2016, 03:27:48 PM
Dylann Roof has been found guilty.
It is a shame that it has taken this long to come to come to this conclusion. It seems as if it is a clear case of the death penalty, but it will take years to come to this.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 15, 2016, 04:49:11 PM
It is a shame that it has taken this long to come to come to this conclusion. It seems as if it is a clear case of the death penalty, but it will take years to come to this.
There will be tons of appeals for him to actually get to the death phase. They should do away with appeals on cases where it is clear cut that the person did it.
I would just like to see him be put out in the middle of the prison yard with a hundred big black guys. O0 O0 O0 and the guards turn their backs for a half a hour. :sneaky: :biggrin: :yes:
Well, that won't happen, especially if he gets the death penalty.
I am surprised there have not been more church shootings....
Why
Shootings, unfortunately, seem to happen all over the place. I don't think churches are any more or less prone to them than any other place.
Quote from: Locutus on December 15, 2016, 03:27:48 PM
Dylann Roof has been found guilty.
And he is now residing on death row in the federal facility in Terra Haute Indiana. . .