Because drop boxes for animals at shelters weren't a bad enough idea, now they have them for babies? (http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/baby-box-bill-could-strengthen-safe-haven-law)
Quote from: Exterminator on February 25, 2015, 10:15:50 AM
Because drop boxes for animals at shelters weren't a bad enough idea, now they have them for babies? (http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/baby-box-bill-could-strengthen-safe-haven-law)
Where are drop boxes at baby at? I know that some states have that one can leave a baby at safe places but people never seem to do that! If they didn't want the child, they shouldn't have gotten pregnant!
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on February 25, 2015, 11:23:15 AM
Where are drop boxes at baby at? I know that some states have that one can leave a baby at safe places but people never seem to do that! If they didn't want the child, they shouldn't have gotten pregnant!
Did you read the article?
Quote from: Exterminator on February 25, 2015, 10:15:50 AM
Because drop boxes for animals at shelters weren't a bad enough idea, now they have them for babies? (http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/baby-box-bill-could-strengthen-safe-haven-law)
Florida has had a law like this on the books for years now.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 25, 2015, 10:15:50 AM
Because drop boxes for animals at shelters weren't a bad enough idea, now they have them for babies? (http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/baby-box-bill-could-strengthen-safe-haven-law)
Would you rather they were dropped in the woods, a dumpster, or an alley somewhere? Oh, maybe a partial birth abortion. Seems to me like this drop box is a much better idea. Your statement certainly implies you think this is a bad idea.
Quote from: me on February 25, 2015, 01:33:42 PM
Would you rather they were dropped in the woods, a dumpster, or an alley somewhere? Oh, maybe a partial birth abortion. Seems to me like this drop box is a much better idea. Your statement certainly implies you think this is a bad idea.
Are you seriously suggesting that drop boxes for babies is a good idea?
Are they not safer than a dumpster, the woods, or an alley?
You're an idiot. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on February 25, 2015, 03:59:37 PM
You're an idiot. :rolleyes:
Why because I asked you a question you don't want to answer?
Quote from: me on February 25, 2015, 10:36:29 PM
Why because I asked you a question you don't want to answer?
No; it's genetic.
I have read about "baby boxes" before, most of the ones I read about were at churches, orphanages or someplace like that. Most were in Asian countries. I think there are pros and cons to it in Indiana. I didn't see where exactly they would be placed, probably not at a hospital, police or fire station because of the 911 alert. That could be problematic. In the long run it is a better option than a trash can.
Quote from: Anne on February 26, 2015, 10:38:53 AM
I have read about "baby boxes" before, most of the ones I read about were at churches, orphanages or someplace like that. Most were in Asian countries. I think there are pros and cons to it in Indiana. I didn't see where exactly they would be placed, probably not at a hospital, police or fire station because of the 911 alert. That could be problematic. In the long run it is a better option than a trash can.
In the long run, it is a trash can. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on February 26, 2015, 10:45:13 AM
In the long run, it is a trash can. :rolleyes:
Why, if it works and the baby isn't left to die or be killed, the child can be adopted and hopefully grow up. Isn't that better than the alternative?
Quote from: Anne on February 26, 2015, 10:53:55 AM
Why, if it works and the baby isn't left to die or be killed, the child can be adopted and hopefully grow up. Isn't that better than the alternative?
Do you really think that someone willing to discard her child cares where she does it?
Yes, in some cases. Leaving a child at a hospital or police station requires interaction with authorities. Even though you are told you remain unknown you are obviously seen and recorded by security cameras. The "drop box" could give a greater sense of security giving an incentive to leave the child someplace safe. At any rate, I think it might be worth a try.
Quote from: Anne on February 26, 2015, 12:04:31 PM
Yes, in some cases. Leaving a child at a hospital or police station requires interaction with authorities. Even though you are told you remain unknown you are obviously seen and recorded by security cameras. The "drop box" could give a greater sense of security giving an incentive to leave the child someplace safe. At any rate, I think it might be worth a try.
So there won't be cameras on these drop boxes? How will the authorities know if someone puts a baby in one?
Quote from: Exterminator on February 26, 2015, 12:15:09 PM
So there won't be cameras on these drop boxes? How will the authorities know if someone puts a baby in one?
I would just imagine it would go into a building where there are people. Sheesh........Are you brain dead or what? :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on February 26, 2015, 01:54:11 PM
I would just imagine it would go into a building where there are people. Sheesh........Are you brain dead or what? :rolleyes:
Why don't you look it up before you start suggesting others are stupid. Learn something for once in your life.
I think but can't swear to it that in Kentucky, a baby can be placed at a fire dept., police, hospital or some other places that deal with children and the infant can be left there with no questions asked.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 26, 2015, 12:15:09 PM
So there won't be cameras on these drop boxes? How will the authorities know if someone puts a baby in one?
Did you not listen to the video? It is a mini incubater and it automatically calls 911 when it senses, by weight, that there has been a baby left. And you call me stupid???? :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on February 26, 2015, 06:57:45 PM
Did you not listen to the video? It is a mini incubater and it automatically calls 911 when it senses, by weight, that there has been a baby left. And you call me stupid???? :rolleyes:
No, I didn't listen to the video because unlike you, I know how to read. Look, I know that you're a bitter old bitch who has nothing better to do with her time than take ridiculous opposing stances based solely on your perception of who posted the original information but this is a stupid idea. At the end of the day, the 13 babies that were surrendered will now be stuffed into a box where they may live if everything works as planned and someone gets to them in time and the 33 babies that were abandoned and died still will be.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 27, 2015, 07:50:05 AM
No, I didn't listen to the video because unlike you, I know how to read. Look, I know that you're a bitter old bitch who has nothing better to do with her time than take ridiculous opposing stances based solely on your perception of who posted the original information but this is a stupid idea. At the end of the day, the 13 babies that were surrendered will now be stuffed into a box where they may live if everything works as planned and someone gets to them in time and the 33 babies that were abandoned and died still will be.
I'm a bitter person? Seems like you're the one making the nasty posts here not me. You just can't stand being questioned or wrong and when you are you get nasty. No, that would be more nasty.
Quote from: me on February 27, 2015, 08:03:07 AM
I'm a bitter person? Seems like you're the one making the nasty posts here not me. You just can't stand being questioned or wrong and when you are you get nasty. No, that would be more nasty.
Wrong about baby drop boxes being a bad idea? I wonder what the temperature would be inside of one of those in the summer and how long it would take to cook a newborn?
Quote from: Exterminator on February 26, 2015, 12:15:09 PM
So there won't be cameras on these drop boxes? How will the authorities know if someone puts a baby in one?
Well, according to your link when a baby is put into the "box" it triggers a 911 alert so authorities can go check the box. It doesn't say anything about a camera, but even if there is a camera it is not the same as interacting with a person, which may be enough to make the person feel safer.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on February 26, 2015, 06:39:58 PM
I think but can't swear to it that in Kentucky, a baby can be placed at a fire dept., police, hospital or some other places that deal with children and the infant can be left there with no questions asked.
It is that way in Indiana, too. The thing is you still need to interact with a person, they aren't supposed to ask questions. From articles and reports I have read a lot of young girls who leave their babies are afraid of being "caught". They don't want to be identified and being face to face with a live person is threatening. Maybe not having to face a person would be enough to allow the girl to place the baby in a "safe" place.
All I can think of is the days when we used to return movies to Blockbuster. Just drop 'em in the slot.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 27, 2015, 08:34:09 AM
Wrong about baby drop boxes being a bad idea? I wonder what the temperature would be inside of one of those in the summer and how long it would take to cook a newborn?
An incubater has a controlled temp dumb ass. I only call you that because that is what you would call me. :razz:
Quote from: me on February 27, 2015, 01:12:06 PM
An incubater has a controlled temp dumb ass. I only call you that because that is what you would call me. :razz:
Go look at some pictures of real incubators and then look at the prototype (http://www.safehavenbabyboxes.com/) and explain to me how this thing will be climate controlled. As is typical, you're pulling shit out of your ass.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 28, 2015, 12:12:58 PM
Go look at some pictures of real incubators and then look at the prototype (http://www.safehavenbabyboxes.com/) and explain to me how this thing will be climate controlled. As is typical, you're pulling shit out of your ass.
Listen to the newscast.
Quote from: me on February 28, 2015, 01:26:55 PM
Listen to the newscast.
No. If you think baby drop-boxes are a good idea, you're an idiot.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 02, 2015, 08:09:05 AM
No. If you think baby drop-boxes are a good idea, you're an idiot.
And if you're forming an opinion without listening to the video you're stating an opinion without knowing all the facts which you say is wrong.
Quote from: me on March 02, 2015, 10:12:32 AM
And if you're forming an opinion without listening to the video you're stating an opinion without knowing all the facts which you say is wrong.
There are no facts; just an idea and a crude prototype of a metal box being used to encourage idiots to donate their money.
Half of me actually thinks this is a good idea because not only will some babies likely die in these boxes but their mothers who may not get the medical treatment they need after having just given birth might as well. I am strangely ok with ending the bloodlines of people with such little regard for life.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 02, 2015, 11:26:40 AM
There are no facts; just an idea and a crude prototype of a metal box being used to encourage idiots to donate their money.
Half of me actually thinks this is a good idea because not only will some babies likely die in these boxes but their mothers who may not get the medical treatment they need after having just given birth might as well. I am strangely ok with ending the bloodlines of people with such little regard for life.
What a cruel, thoughtless, and narrow minded thing to say.
Quote from: me on March 02, 2015, 12:04:46 PM
What a cruel, thoughtless, and narrow minded thing to say.
...says the woman who wants to make it easy for people to stuff a baby in a box and walk away from it. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on March 02, 2015, 01:31:12 PM
...says the woman who wants to make it easy for people to stuff a baby in a box and walk away from it. :rolleyes:
Says the man who'd rather see them stuffed in a trash can or left in the woods.
Quote from: me on March 02, 2015, 01:42:25 PM
Says the man who'd rather see them stuffed in a trash can or left in the woods.
My preference would be for these women to never have gotten pregnant in the first place but your ilk has amply demonstrated your disdain for education.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 02, 2015, 02:00:04 PM
My preference would be for these women to never have gotten pregnant in the first place but your ilk has amply demonstrated your disdain for education.
That would also be my first choice and I have no problem about educating an older child or adult on proper prevention. I do not think abortion should be mentioned as a choice though I think they should be taught the consecquencies of having a child and that includes both boys and girls.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 02, 2015, 02:00:04 PM
My preference would be for these women to never have gotten pregnant in the first place but your ilk has amply demonstrated your disdain for education.
How are we against education? Seriously? There isn't really much to learn about getting pregnant. It is taught in middle school, the whole birds and bees thing. It seems that it is YOUR ILK, that enables girls to get pregnant, we already spend million of $$ for family planning services, and yet it continues to be a problem.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 02, 2015, 02:28:45 PM
It seems that it is YOUR ILK, that enables girls to get pregnant...
WTF? How is it my ilk enabling girls to get pregnant? I'd love to hear your logic behind this.
As much as one would preach about prevention, it is not going to happen. It is like shutting the barn door after the horse has gotten out. I would hope that the babies can be left somewhere safe and adopted by loving people whether single or married. I think we can all agree on that!
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on March 02, 2015, 02:46:53 PM
As much as one would preach about prevention, it is not going to happen. It is like shutting the barn door after the horse has gotten out. I would hope that the babies can be left somewhere safe and adopted by loving people whether single or married. I think we can all agree on that!
Most definitely.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 02, 2015, 02:30:59 PM
WTF? How is it my ilk enabling girls to get pregnant? I'd love to hear your logic behind this.
All I know is that Planned Parenthood has been receiving federal funding since 1970, and we STILL face the highest teen birth rate of any of the world's developed nations. Though, I am not against it 100%, throwing more and more money into the kettle, like your ilk does, is not the answer to this problem.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 02, 2015, 03:36:34 PM
All I know is that Planned Parenthood has been receiving federal funding since 1970, and we STILL face the highest teen birth rate of any of the world's developed nations. Though, I am not against it 100%, throwing more and more money into the kettle, like your ilk does, is not the answer to this problem.
Planned Parenthood, who provides contraception and abortions, among a myriad of other services, is responsible for high teen birth rates?
Maybe you should do a little more research. (http://pubs.aeaweb.org/doi/pdfplus/10.1257/jep.26.2.141) Of particular interest should be the differences in teen birth rates by state as illustrated on the fourth page of this document. Seems the red states are
way ahead of the blue states!
AND...the U.S. doesn't have "the highest teen birth rate of any of the world's developed nations".
Hell, a simple goggle ( :biggrin: ) shows that. :wink:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 02, 2015, 02:28:45 PM
...It seems that it is YOUR ILK, that enables girls to get pregnant...
I have to admit, I've done my level best over time. :icon_twisted:
:rotfl:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 02, 2015, 02:28:45 PM
How are we against education? Seriously? There isn't really much to learn about getting pregnant. It is taught in middle school, the whole birds and bees thing. It seems that it is YOUR ILK, that enables girls to get pregnant, we already spend million of $$ for family planning services, and yet it continues to be a problem.
First off, the entire issue of sex is one of those I put under the heading of 'You can't fool Mother Nature!'. You can forbid it, make laws against it, preach religion against it, ad infinitum and it's still going to happen when the participants want it to happen. Humans are wired to have sex and you can't legislate anything - age, partners, etc. - about it and make it work.
That's one of the major problems with Amerika and one of the curses from our crazy 'puritan' religious past. It curses people and turns them into busybody authoritarians trying to legislate false morality.
If Amerika would stop worrying about other people having sex and just provide education and the proper health care at any age the interest in sex begins, unintentional births would decrease. But, as long as Amerika keeps acting stupid about sex we're going to have the same unintended consequences.
Now, as far as the 'Baby Drop Boxes', without further plan elaboration I see the present criticisms as sound and the plan as presented unsound.
IMO, it's looking at the tail end of the problem instead of before it begins...but lordy them thar religious folks can't have us really talking to dem' chirrins' about sex and providing birth control to them. Oh lordy no! :rolleyes:
Along with the birth control should be showing the responsibility of having a child and. rather than being told a fetus is not a life, they should be shown how a baby develops and the different stages of pregnancy rather than just told you have the option of getting an abortion if you get pregnant. A friend of my daughters is having a hard time dealing with having had a couple of abortions when she was a teen and didn't fully realize what was going on at the time. She is also childless now because of the damage done to her during the last abortion which was done at a clinic. A drop box would have been a much better choice for her as it turns out.
Quote from: Y on March 02, 2015, 04:22:06 PM
I have to admit, I've done my level best over time. :icon_twisted:
:rotfl:
:biggrin: I've practiced a lot!
Quote from: me on March 02, 2015, 05:18:12 PM
A friend of my daughters is having a hard time dealing with having had a couple of abortions when she was a teen and didn't fully realize what was going on at the time. She is also childless now because of the damage done to her during the last abortion which was done at a clinic. A drop box would have been a much better choice for her as it turns out.
Aw, poor thing. :rolleyes: Maybe having been responsible would have been a better choice?
Quote from: Exterminator on March 03, 2015, 08:17:42 AM
Aw, poor thing. :rolleyes: Maybe having been responsible would have been a better choice?
She realizes that now that it's too late. All she knew then was she didn't have to be responsible for her actions because she could just go get an abortion.
Quote from: me on March 03, 2015, 09:44:35 AM
She realizes that now that it's too late. All she knew then was she didn't have to be responsible for her actions because she could just go get an abortion.
If she was using abortion as birth control, let's all be happy that she can't reproduce.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 03, 2015, 10:19:58 AM
If she was using abortion as birth control, let's all be happy that she can't reproduce.
:rolleyes:
More information on the baby boxes. According to article in Anderson Herald Bulletin and channel 4 news yesterday, the baby boxes include both a warming and cooling capacity and have three separate alarms to alert authorities that a baby has been put into the baby box. The boxes would be installed in safe haven areas (hospitals, police stations, fire stations and churches to name a few).
In response to Y, you are right it is an end response to the problem, but IMO it is better than doing nothing, unless of course you think the child would be better off dead than adopted.
Quote from: Y on March 02, 2015, 04:22:06 PM
I have to admit, I've done my level best over time. :icon_twisted:
:rotfl:
Okay, I have to admit, I was slow on getting this one at first.........pretty good! :rotfl:
Quote from: Anne on March 03, 2015, 11:04:43 AM
According to article in Anderson Herald Bulletin and channel 4 news yesterday, the baby boxes include both a warming and cooling capacity and have three separate alarms to alert authorities that a baby has been put into the baby box.
Pie in the sky...show me a completed box that has all of these things.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 03, 2015, 11:13:46 AM
Pie in the sky...show me a completed box that has all of these things.
(http://archive.wired.com/news/images/full/cradle1_f.jpg)
When someone opens the metal flap on the street, an
alarm sounds upstairs notifying social workers, who are available 24 hours a day. The mother then sets the baby inside and, after a two-minute interval, a weight-triggered sensor sends another, louder signal. Once the baby is inside, the
box warms up and sends a call to a nearby ambulance service.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 03, 2015, 12:20:40 PM
(http://archive.wired.com/news/images/full/cradle1_f.jpg)
When someone opens the metal flap on the street, an alarm sounds upstairs notifying social workers, who are available 24 hours a day. The mother then sets the baby inside and, after a two-minute interval, a weight-triggered sensor sends another, louder signal. Once the baby is inside, the box warms up and sends a call to a nearby ambulance service.
That's in Italy, numb-nuts. Show me a completed box from the company they're talking about in the original story that has all of these features. What I am specifically interested in seeing is an air conditioning unit small enough to make this a reality so that a kid stuffed into one of these when it's 100 degrees outside doesn't cook before anyone gets to it.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 03, 2015, 12:28:43 PM
That's in Italy, numb-nuts. Show me a completed box from the company they're talking about in the original story that has all of these features. What I am specifically interested in seeing is an air conditioning unit small enough to make this a reality so that a kid stuffed into one of these when it's 100 degrees outside doesn't cook before anyone gets to it.
It is not like they are going to spend the weekend in there. They are going to be picked up in a matter of minutes. The alarm sends the signal, to a person who is capable of getting there immediately. They are not going to stop at McDonalds first.
Why are you being so argumentative over this? Do you feel obligated to argue against anything that is not a liberals idea?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 03, 2015, 12:35:05 PM
anything that is not a liberals idea?
How do you know it isn't "a liberals idea?"
Quote from: Bo D on March 03, 2015, 12:56:16 PM
How do you know it isn't "a liberals idea?"
Your right it may very well be. I am making an assumption, just for kicks and giggles. This is now becoming an issue because of a Christian Pastor has recently made a movie about it.
My point is, why is Ex even arguing this? Just because? I don't see a down side to this. At least I haven't yet. It seems like something that liberals and conservatives should embrace.
Just askin....
Quote from: Bo D on March 03, 2015, 12:56:16 PM
How do you know it isn't "a liberals idea?"
He's assuming a conservative came up with it because it's such a stupid fucking idea.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 03, 2015, 01:03:10 PM
He's assuming a conservative came up with it because it's such a stupid fucking idea.
Why do you think it is a stupid fucking idea? I am being serious. I want to know your reason. I'm still kind of on the fence on this, I have my opinion, but I'm still listening.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 03, 2015, 12:35:05 PM
They are going to be picked up in a matter of minutes. The alarm sends the signal, to a person who is capable of getting there immediately.
I see you couldn't come up with a reasonable explanation of how these boxes would provide the "cooling capacity" so now you're back to assuming that everything will go right every single time one of these is used and that no infant will ever die in one should that not happen. Without cooling in the summer, these boxes will be sweltering and many newborns, especially those who are unhealthy, do not have the capacity to regulate their body temperature. They can actually die in a matter of minutes.
If these are ever put into practice, I will be back saying I told you so
when the first baby dies in one.
QuoteWhy are you being so argumentative over this?
I'm argumentative over this because it's a stupid idea. As I stated in my original post, even stupider than drop boxes for animals and if you can't figure out why they're stupid, feel free to call and ask Maleah Stringer. I'm sure she can explain it in terms that even you can understand.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 03, 2015, 01:19:17 PM
I see you couldn't come up with a reasonable explanation of how these boxes would provide the "cooling capacity" so now you're back to assuming that everything will go right every single time one of these is used and that no infant will ever die in one should that not happen. Without cooling in the summer, these boxes will be sweltering and many newborns, especially those who are unhealthy, do not have the capacity to regulate their body temperature. They can actually die in a matter of minutes.
If these are ever put into practice, I will be back saying I told you so when the first baby dies in one.
I'm argumentative over this because it's a stupid idea. As I stated in my original post, even stupider than drop boxes for animals and if you can't figure out why they're stupid, feel free to call and ask Maleah Stringer. I'm sure she can explain it in terms that even you can understand.
Okay, I understand if these things are set up to not be attended too within a mater of minutes. I wouldn't think having an AC unit attached or a thermostat on it is something that couldn't be done or hasn't already been done. But the fact is, they are set up to hold a baby for a few minutes not hours. If someone cannot be there with a five minute time, then it probably IS a bad idea. I don't think that is the case though.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 03, 2015, 01:29:15 PM
If someone cannot be there with a five minute time, then it probably IS a bad idea. I don't think that is the case though.
This is the part of this that concerns me.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 03, 2015, 03:36:18 PM
This is the part of this that concerns me.
I agree with your concern!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 03, 2015, 06:54:30 PM
I agree with your concern!
Holy hell! You two actually agree about something? :spooked:
Quote from: Locutus on March 03, 2015, 07:10:16 PM
Holy hell! You two actually agree about something? :spooked:
I think I may be running a fever right now so let me see if I still agree tomorrow!
Ok, make that 3. Malfunctioning is always a possibility. <------You just have no idea how much that hurt.... :dark:
;D
It looks like a refrigerator or freezer to me! I have serious concerns about what if the alarms don't work or an eletric outage. I don't have much knowledge about incubators except when we had ducks and that was a very long time ago!
Why don't Walmart have a baby drop off counter? :yes: They do everything else. :wink: :smile:
There is always a chance for malfunction, but these baby boxes are to be placed in safe haven areas which are staffed 24/7 not in the middle of a field. For crying out loud get a grip. If even one baby lives it is worth the effort. If the thing can be produced in Italy, it can be made here, yes in Indiana. Actually, if they are built into the wall of the building, why couldn't they pump room temp air through it?
Quote from: Anne on March 04, 2015, 02:57:35 PM
There is always a chance for malfunction, but these baby boxes are to be placed in safe haven areas which are staffed 24/7 not in the middle of a field. For crying out loud get a grip. If even one baby lives it is worth the effort. If the thing can be produced in Italy, it can be made here, yes in Indiana. Actually, if they are built into the wall of the building, why couldn't they pump room temp air through it?
Maybe because even if staffed 24/7, there is always the off chance that something can and will happen. If they are going to be staffed 24/7, why not just give the baby to those working at the safe haven?
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on March 04, 2015, 08:56:20 PM
Maybe because even if staffed 24/7, there is always the off chance that something can and will happen. If they are going to be staffed 24/7, why not just give the baby to those working at the safe haven?
Because some even though it is supposed to be no questions asked you still have to actually talk to a person. I imagine that can be scary to someone who is already stressed, afraid and any number of other problems. I can't believe that if you take a baby into a safe haven and hand it to someone that you will not be asked some questions, at the very least is this your child.
Quote from: Anne on March 03, 2015, 11:04:43 AMIn response to Y, you are right it is an end response to the problem, but IMO it is better than doing nothing, unless of course you think the child would be better off dead than adopted.
I have to admit to being of two minds on this.
It pains me to think of children dying, BUT...
I also know we're saving - and breeding - ourselves as a specie out of existence.
By intervening and not allowing nature/evolution to take its course humans are preserving defects that would be removed and then bred out of the population.
So, how do we stop saving/supporting human life - and faulty genes - that without intervention would not survive?
Quote from: Y on March 23, 2015, 05:43:12 PM
I have to admit to being of two minds on this.
It pains me to think of children dying, BUT...
I also know we're saving - and breeding - ourselves as a specie out of existence.
By intervening and not allowing nature/evolution to take its course humans are preserving defects that would be removed and then bred out of the population.
So, how do we stop saving/supporting human life - and faulty genes - that without intervention would not survive?
I understand your point, but as far as I have been able to find out most of the babies that are given up at safe havens and those who were abandoned were normal healthy babies. I've seen a few babies/children who probably should have been left alone (and I would never tell their parents that) but the children seem to have no meaningful life and/or seem to be in pain much of the time.