I see Michigan is trying to pass the "right to work" legislation.
Here we go, another state enabling the 7 day work week and other worker abusive practices. . . :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Not trying to pass..............they ARE passing.
right-to-work states create jobs twice as quickly as states where forced unionism is permitted, and they enjoyed 10 percent faster growth in personal income.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 11, 2012, 01:10:54 PM
right-to-work states create jobs twice as quickly as states where forced unionism is permitted, and they enjoyed 10 percent faster growth in personal income.
States whose names begin with the letters 'n' through 'z' grew faster over the past decade than states whose names begin with letters from the first half of the alphabet. Does that mean that renaming the latter will result in a better economic outlook for them? Of course not, not any more than right to work laws have that effect. Only gullible fools believe that rhetoric.
I do find it ironic that they have to bus people in and pay them to object. Shouldn't that be up to the people in the state in question to protest instead? Don't try to tell me they don't bus them in either 'cause if you think they don't you're only fooling yourself.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 11, 2012, 01:10:54 PM
Not trying to pass..............they ARE passing.
right-to-work states create jobs twice as quickly as states where forced unionism is permitted, and they enjoyed 10 percent faster growth in personal income.
All I ask SCAB. Prove it. You have to be one of the biggest lying SCAB I have ever seen. You nothing but a lying SCAB snake Hawk. :puke:
Everything you just said is a lie. While you're at it SCAB, :azz:
The right to work laws mean the workers work for less. :@#%&: SCABS :trustme:
Quote from: me on December 11, 2012, 04:33:38 PM
I do find it ironic that they have to bus people in and pay them to object. Shouldn't that be up to the people in the state in question to protest instead? Don't try to tell me they don't bus them in either 'cause if you think they don't you're only fooling yourself.
Tell SCAB "ME" just why didn't the Republicans have public hearing on this bill. Huh? Why didn't SCAB Governor tell the union leaders that he wasn't interested in passing the Right to Work Law. Then in a lame duck session the Republican controlled state government pass such a bill and then add to it that it can't be brought up for a state referendum. Huh. It the work of the Koch Brothers the Billionaires that want to control the whole country. :rant:
What is so bad is you with your past "work experience", minimum wage worker, who so stupid you believe all of the Koch brother bull shit. :finger2:
Quote from: The Troll on December 11, 2012, 06:23:02 PM
Tell SCAB "ME" just why didn't the Republicans have public hearing on this bill. Huh? Why didn't SCAB Governor tell the union leaders that he wasn't interested in passing the Right to Work Law. Then in a lame duck session the Republican controlled state government pass such a bill and then add to it that it can't be brought up for a state referendum. Huh. It the work of the Koch Brothers the Billionaires that want to control the whole country. :rant:
What is so bad is you with your past "work experience", minimum wage worker, who so stupid you believe all of the Koch brother bull shit. :finger2:
How the Right to Work law really works. Caterpillar had a factory in Canada where they had 550 workers. Caterpillar was paying them $23 per hour. Caterpillar wanted to pay them $14 per hour, the workers said no. :yes:
What did Caterpillar do? They closed down the plant and moved it to a Right To Work state, they moved it to Indiana where the SCAB workers was will to take $14 an hour to do the same jobs. :yes:
What Indiana needs to do is to fix the wages here in Indiana to wages paid in Africa. That way the jobs sent to China would come back to Indiana and solve the unemployment problems Indiana has. :yes: just ask SCAB Hawk and SCAB "ME" about it. :mad: :mad: :mad: :rant:
Quote from: me on December 11, 2012, 04:33:38 PM
I do find it ironic that they have to bus people in and pay them to object. Shouldn't that be up to the people in the state in question to protest instead? Don't try to tell me they don't bus them in either 'cause if you think they don't you're only fooling yourself.
blah blah blah. You need some new material. Why would Michigan need to bus anyone in when they are home to some of the largest unionized entities in the nation? (Detroit automotive)
Engage brain before typing!
Quote from: Palehorse on December 11, 2012, 10:13:34 PM
blah blah blah. You need some new material. Why would Michigan need to bus anyone in when they are home to some of the largest unionized entities in the nation? (Detroit automotive)
Engage brain before typing!
At this point I imagine Detroit would like to have jobs no matter what rather than getting paid a paltry sum by the union to protest.
Quote from: The Troll on December 11, 2012, 06:14:20 PM
All I ask SCAB. Prove it. You have to be one of the biggest lying SCAB I have ever seen. You nothing but a lying SCAB snake Hawk. :puke:
Everything you just said is a lie. While you're at it SCAB, :azz:
The right to work laws mean the workers work for less. :@#%&: SCABS :trustme:
Hell Troll, prove to me that Unions are a good thing in Michigan!!.........Michigan is a hell hole, with NO F'ING jobs..........what exactly IS THE UNION DOING?..........Not too damn much, THAT IS A FACT!
Let's let the people decide if they want to pay union dues or if they want to work for a union at all....
Here is what the unions are doing during the protests. Wonderful bunch of people. :rolleyes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_F3oev06i0&feature=youtu.be
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 12, 2012, 08:11:41 AM
Hell Troll, prove to me that Unions are a good thing in Michigan!!.........Michigan is a hell hole, with NO F'ING jobs..........what exactly IS THE UNION DOING?..........Not too damn much, THAT IS A FACT!
Let's let the people decide if they want to pay union dues or if they want to work for a union at all....
If that person is a SCAB like you, then you don't try to find work at a union shop. But SCABS like you who flourished under a union the UAW and never has had a union of any kind harm you in any way. Want to worship the Koch brothers, ALEC the Koch brother's baby who wrote the Right Work Bill in Michigan and Indiana. You as a asshole SCAB are out of your mind and against freedom and democracy. :rant:
Michigan has made a great comeback, having one of the lowest unemployment in the nation. Get your facts straight SCAB. :finger2:
I do know one thing SCAB, you and I could never be friends and you would never get any help or and kind thing from me SCAB HAWK. :azz:
You SCAB and SCAB "ME" make me sick at my stomach and one of the reasons I hate Republicans and the Republican with every fiber of my body. :trustme:
:@#%&: Republican SCABS and you wonder where American freedom has gone. :yes: :4th3:
Troll here are the facts for you: Michigan's unemployment rate is over 9%. Detroit hovers somewhere above 30% unemployment! Why?
Because the UAW has kept the wages and benefits higher than the market can take! RTW is going to put people BACK to work.......sure it will not be the lavish wage it once was, but a good wage, with benifits is exactly what the people there NEED!
You can thank the republicans once unemployment goes back down and people are once again working...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 12, 2012, 11:12:15 AM
Troll here are the facts for you: Michigan's unemployment rate is over 9%. Detroit hovers somewhere above 30% unemployment! Why?
Because the UAW has kept the wages and benefits higher than the market can take! RTW is going to put people BACK to work.......sure it will not be the lavish wage it once was, but a good wage, with benefits is exactly what the people there NEED!
You can thank the republicans once unemployment goes back down and people are once again working...
Well, SCAB I'm glad the Republican Governor, the Republican controlled Senate and House of Michigan has did this in a lame duck session. :yes: You SCAB assholes have wakened a sleeping giant in Michigan and Wisconsin, the unions.
It is amazing how when the Republicans get in control of every state house, they take the working man's and middle class people right away. You SCAB Republicans will pay for this. :rant:
In Indiana there is no hope for the middle class working man. There are to any stupid, uneducated, morons, SCABS in Indiana that vote Republican. No hope at all. That is unless some dumb ass Republican says that a baby that comes out of a rape is God's blessing and with Mike Pense as governor. :haha: :haha: Now this is a Republican win. :haha:
SCAB, I don't think you will get what you wish for in the next 2,3,4, years. The Right To Work Bill that was put in and the way it was done. Is full of illegal actions. The little Republican fiasco will keep this piece of shit in courts for years. :haha: We will see what happens in court and what happens in the 2014 Michigan election. :biggrin: The question will be is, "What Michigan Republican Party?" :haha:
This crime will be the Waterloo of the Republican Party in Michigan and turn the state into a true blue state. Only 6% of the Michigan people are for the Right to Work Bill. :knife:
Just keep it up SCAB Republicans, war on women, war on women's pay, war on unions, war on the middle class, war on Mexicans and tax cut for the very rich. The question will be, what Republican Party and a sure thing for Hilary Clinton. Just think 16 years of Democratic control. Why, we got them by the balls. :wink: :biggrin:
:music1: :music1: Oh happy days! :music1: :music1: Happy days are here again. :music1: :music1:
Quote from: The Troll on December 12, 2012, 11:56:56 AM
Only 6% of the Michigan people are for the Right to Work Bill.
Troll, that is a lie! an outright lie, unless you have a source to prove it..........I DO have a souce that says likewise.....
[font=]Michigan voters favor right-to-work, 51-41 (http://www.michiganview.com/article/20121206/MIVIEW/212060509/Mitchell-poll--Michigan-voters-favor-right-to-work--51-41)[/font] and btw, only 17.5% of Michigans citizens are Union workers.........
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 12, 2012, 12:07:46 PM
Troll, that is a lie! an outright lie, unless you have a source to prove it..........I DO have a souce that says likewise.....
[font=]Michigan voters favor right-to-work, 51-41 (http://www.michiganview.com/article/20121206/MIVIEW/212060509/Mitchell-poll--Michigan-voters-favor-right-to-work--51-41)[/font]
and btw, only 17.5% of Michigans citizens are Union workers.........
I think Troll would rather see these people get paid to protest and walk picket lines rather than have real jobs. I do believe it's called extortion when you are forced to do something you don't want or get the crap beat out of you or worse. (in reference to that video I posted)
Quote from: me on December 12, 2012, 05:59:01 PM
I think Troll would rather see these people get paid to protest and walk picket lines rather than have real jobs. I do believe it's called extortion when you are forced to do something you don't want or get the crap beat out of you or worse. (in reference to that video I posted)
It wasn't stage by Fox News was it? What did the shill Fox News rat say to the Union worker? We didn't hear that did we. Fox News is and has set up people to prove their point. It has happen time and time again. :yes:
But you being a dumbass, you bring this up as fact when it was produced by Fox News. :yes:
Just keep putting on your Fox News garbage, because I am not going to fight with a handicapped person. A person who is brain dead. :knife:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 12, 2012, 12:07:46 PM
Troll, that is a lie! an outright lie, unless you have a source to prove it..........I DO have a souce that says likewise.....
[font=]Michigan voters favor right-to-work, 51-41 (http://www.michiganview.com/article/20121206/MIVIEW/212060509/Mitchell-poll--Michigan-voters-favor-right-to-work--51-41)[/font]
and btw, only 17.5% of Michigans citizens are Union workers.........
Troll, I'm calling you out as a liar....YOU said only 6% of the Michigan people are for the Right to Work Bill. That is an apparent lie. This is why you think the way you do, you get information that tells you things you want to hear. That FACT is, the people of Michigan WANT the RTW Bill. They got it.
They understand how damaging the UAW has been to their State....they want jobs for everyone, not just 17% of the people.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 13, 2012, 07:58:37 AM
Troll, I'm calling you out as a liar....YOU said only 6% of the Michigan people are for the Right to Work Bill. That is an apparent lie. This is why you think the way you do, you get information that tells you things you want to hear. That FACT is, the people of Michigan WANT the RTW Bill. They got it.
They understand how damaging the UAW has been to their State....they want jobs for everyone, not just 17% of the people.
You know SCAB, I don't give a damn what you call me or what you say. :trustme: You have to be the most despicable person I have come up against. :trustme:
I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire. :yes: You're greedy, selfish, no morals or conscience when it come to poor and old people or the common working man. :yes: You're an ass kisser and to me if you fell off the end of a pier and I was standing there, I wouldn't throw you a rope. :trustme: And on top of that you claim to be a Christian, who believe what Jesus preaches. Now that is a joke and is anything :ogod: Have a good life asshole, because you need to see a shrink. :thumbsup: :biggrin:
Quote from: The Troll on December 13, 2012, 08:53:42 AM
You know SCAB, I don't give a damn what you call me or what you say. :trustme: You have to be the most despicable person I have come up against. :trustme:
I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire. :yes: You're greedy, selfish, no morals or conscience when it come to poor and old people or the common working man. :yes: You're an ass kisser and to me if you fell off the end of a pier and I was standing there, I wouldn't throw you a rope. :trustme: And on top of that you claim to be a Christian, who believe what Jesus preaches. Now that is a joke and is anything :ogod: Have a good life asshole, because you need to see a shrink. :thumbsup: :biggrin:
Okay,
Now that you got that off of your chest, can you defend your statements? Or are you just lying? Troll, people are tired of Unions cheating the rest of the population for their own selfish, greedy, corrupt selves.
Now, answer the question did you lie or did you just make a mis-statement?
I have a simple answer for you, one that you should under stand. FUCK YOU, SCAB. :biggrin:
Quote from: The Troll on December 13, 2012, 09:18:04 AM
I have a simple answer for you, one that you should under stand. FUCK YOU, SCAB. :biggrin:
OH! That was close, but I'm sorry! That is not the answer I was looking for....
So, is this an admission to the fact that you lied?.....agian, a yes or no would work just fine...(FU is NOT acceptable and you will not get credit for it.)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 13, 2012, 09:02:28 AM
Okay,
Now that you got that off of your chest, can you defend your statements? Or are you just lying? Troll, people are tired of Unions cheating the rest of the population for their own selfish, greedy, corrupt selves.
Now, answer the question did you lie or did you just make a mis-statement?
I think he needs to go into the lie tracker actually. :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 12, 2012, 12:07:46 PM
I DO have a souce that says likewise.....
Michigan voters favor right-to-work, 51-41 (http://www.michiganview.com/article/20121206/MIVIEW/212060509/Mitchell-poll--Michigan-voters-favor-right-to-work--51-41)
and btw, only 17.5% of Michigans citizens are Union workers.........
You better be careful where you get your sources. That particular poll you found was taken on the website of a conservative leaning paper. Obviously, conservative people more likely visit conservative leaning websites and vote on polls contained on those sites.
That being said, an EPIC-MRA poll showed that Michigan voters generally approved of
right to work laws by 54% with 40% opposed and the remainder undecided.
When the question was framed as to whether Michigan should become a right to work state, the margin shrank to 47% in favor and 46% opposed.
;D
Quote from: Locutus on December 13, 2012, 11:33:36 AM
You better be careful where you get your sources. That particular poll you found was taken on the website of a conservative leaning paper. Obviously, conservative people more likely visit conservative leaning websites and vote on polls contained on those sites.
That being said, an EPIC-MRA poll showed that Michigan voters generally approved of right to work laws by 54% with 40% opposed and the remainder undecided. When the question was framed as to whether Michigan should become a right to work state, the margin shrank to 47% in favor and 46% opposed.
;D
I agree, but to say some bullshit that only 6% was in favor.........I felt safe to post MY SOURCE.
If me or me had posted such bullshit, SOME members would have been on it like stink on do-do! :razz:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 13, 2012, 11:39:00 AM
I agree, but to say some bullshit that only 6% was in favor.........I felt safe to post MY SOURCE.
If me or me had posted such bullshit, SOME members would have been on it like stink on do-do! :razz:
Yes, clearly both of those numbers, regardless of how the question was phrased, show that more than 6% are in favor.
Do under stand that this Michigan Right Work Bill won't stand and there will be a day of reckoning for the Republicans. I'll bet there will be a whole lot of Republican thrown out of office and that that SCAB Governor will be one of them. His days are over. :yes: :biggrin:
But we got Pense, I wonder how long it will take for him to screw Indiana and the Hoosiers in it. :doh: It won't be long. :trustme:
Somebody ought to shoot the Republican Party with a silver bullet, drive a wooden stake through it's heart and bring it out into the sunshine with a string of garlic around it neck. :yes: :biggrin:
Quote from: The Troll on December 13, 2012, 12:31:02 PM
Do under stand that this Michigan Right Work Bill won't stand and there will be a day of reckoning for the Republicans. I'll bet there will be a whole lot of Republican thrown out of office and that that SCAB Governor will be one of them. His days are over. :yes: :biggrin:
But we got Pense, I wonder how long it will take for him to screw Indiana and the Hoosiers in it. :doh: It won't be long. :trustme:
Somebody ought to shoot the Republican Party with a silver bullet, drive a wooden stake through it's heart and bring it out into the sunshine with a string of garlic around it neck. :yes: :biggrin:
You said the same thing about Wisconsin and Gov Walker..........they tried to throw him out twice, and he got re-elected by a larger number every time.....remember Troll, only 17% of michigan workers are Union. That leaves 83% who really want JOBS, not just union jobs, but JOBS.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 13, 2012, 12:47:43 PM
You said the same thing about Wisconsin and Gov Walker..........they tried to throw him out twice, and he got re-elected by a larger number every time.....remember Troll, only 17% of michigan workers are Union. That leaves 83% who really want JOBS, not just union jobs, but JOBS.
They failed to have him recalled, but they got 3 Republican senators in the recall. :biggrin: You want to put up a little money he doesn't make the next election. He has made a lot of screwups on many thing other than the Right to Work bill. :doh: His time and career as a politician is over. :biggrin: You might see him as a greeter at Walmart. :biggrin:
How much money you got Hawk. C'mon don't be a tightwad.
Quote from: The Troll on December 13, 2012, 02:54:37 PM
They failed to have him recalled, but they got 3 Republican senators in the recall. :biggrin: You want to put up a little money he doesn't make the next election. He has made a lot of screwups on many thing other than the Right to Work bill. :doh: His time and career as a politician is over. :biggrin: You might see him as a greeter at Walmart. :biggrin:
How much money you got Hawk. C'mon don't be a tightwad.
It depends on the economy by 2014, if wisconsin is rockin...it will be the dems that are done.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 13, 2012, 03:45:31 PM
It depends on the economy by 2014, if wisconsin is rockin...it will be the dems that are done.
So he gets the credit if the economy in Wisconsin is rockin' in 2014 and Obama gets the blame if it isn't; right?
Quote from: Exterminator on December 13, 2012, 04:16:37 PM
So he gets the credit if the economy in Wisconsin is rockin' in 2014 and Obama gets the blame if it isn't; right?
I'm talkin on the STATE level.....like the Gov!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 13, 2012, 05:04:12 PM
I'm talkin on the STATE level.....like the Gov!
Nice dodge.
By the way, most of the states with right-to-work laws are in the south, those laws have been on their books since the 40's, and there are many other factors that contribute to their economies. Claiming that right-to-work is a success is a little premature at this juncture since there really haven't been that many states who've passed such laws in the last 50 years and how those that have will fare in the long term is anyone's guess. As I pointed out earlier, your suggestion that right-to-work states are doing better economically because of right-to-work is about as valid as suggesting that those states are doing better economically because their state names begin with the letters 'n' through 'z'. Neither has any basis in fact but the former sure does sound good to those of you too stupid to realize the extent to which you are being manipulated by corporate propaganda and are willing to support them to your own detriment.
This lying SOB in Michigan saying that Indiana has created thousand of jobs here in Indiana since they passed the Right To Work Bill. :liar2:
Since it was passed, thousand of jobs have left Indiana going to states where they don't have this freedom killing bill. :yes: :mad:
The Right to Work Bill, the selling of our tax payer paid for Toll Road and that money already spent. The money spent on IBM and the building a highway to Evansville. I wonder what Pense has planned for Indiana. :mad: :rant:
Thank god Mitch Daniels is gone, but who in hell gave us Mike Pense. :puke: Why it was the dumbass Republican voters here in Indiana. :puke:
http://www.upworthy.com/a-politician-loses-it-on-the-state-house-floor-says-what-all-of-us-are-thinking (http://www.upworthy.com/a-politician-loses-it-on-the-state-house-floor-says-what-all-of-us-are-thinking)
Quote from: Exterminator on December 17, 2012, 11:24:58 AM
http://www.upworthy.com/a-politician-loses-it-on-the-state-house-floor-says-what-all-of-us-are-thinking (http://www.upworthy.com/a-politician-loses-it-on-the-state-house-floor-says-what-all-of-us-are-thinking)
'Me' will say they bussed him in from Wisconsin just to cause trouble. :roll eyes:
Now he knows how most of America felt when Obama, Pelosi, and Reid pushed Obamacare through.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 17, 2012, 11:47:25 AM
Now he knows how most of America felt when Obama, Pelosi, and Reid pushed Obamacare through.
You lost (twice); get over it.
Quote from: Exterminator on December 17, 2012, 12:16:21 PM
You lost (twice); get over it.
you can't make me!! :no: :mad: :razz:
I will guarantee that the Right to Work bill in Michigan will not stand any longer than the next election. :yes: The war has just began against the SCABS. :yes: :rant:
Michigan is not like Indiana. Michigan is a blue state. :yes: Indiana is a red state full of nasty, greedy Republican SCABS. :yes: :razz: