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Not quite what you thought it was going to be was it? :wink:
Where did that piece of trash come from?
Quote from: Locutus on December 13, 2012, 08:20:01 PM
Where did that piece of trash come from?
It's the truth though. Just look around and listen to what's going on.
Quote from: me on December 13, 2012, 08:27:05 PM
It's the truth though. Just look around and listen to what's going on.
Well, when were you converted to the Christian Religion. :haha: I think we all need to pray over this. :pray: :haha:
As usual you're totally wrong, so what's new. :haha: Just as someone said here on the Zone, you're the troll here. Give us a break, Honey Dipper :kiss:
Quote from: me on December 13, 2012, 08:27:05 PM
It's the truth though. Just look around and listen to what's going on.
It's certainly not true. Atheists have no tolerance for religious stupidity regardless of origins.
Quote from: The Troll on December 13, 2012, 09:31:38 PM
Well, when were you converted to the Christian Religion. :haha: I think we all need to pray over this. :pray: :haha:
As usual you're totally wrong, so what's new. :haha: Just as someone said here on the Zone, you're the troll here. Give us a break, Honey Dipper :kiss:
I didn't convert I just observe. You don't see it 'cause you are one of the offenders.
Quote from: me on December 13, 2012, 09:38:06 PM
I didn't convert I just observe. You don't see it 'cause you are one of the offenders.
I was just kidding, I know you don't practice and obey what Jesus teaches. Right? Old Bunion, :kiss:
Quote from: Locutus on December 13, 2012, 09:37:26 PM
It's certainly not true. Atheists have no tolerance for religious stupidity regardless of origins.
But what is put down the most? Is it not their choice and shouldn't they have a right to it? Yes, there are the off the wall extreme nuts but those who truly do believe and live it should not be put down and ostracized.
Organized religion I totally disagree with but each persons beliefs should be respected whether agreed with or not.
Quote from: me on December 13, 2012, 09:47:07 PM
But what is put down the most? Is it not their choice and shouldn't they have a right to it? Yes, there are the off the wall extreme nuts but those who truly do believe and live it should not be put down and ostracized.
Organized religion I totally disagree with but each persons beliefs should be respected whether agreed with or not.
You have stated my feeling about unions. :biggrin: Who would have thought that would happen. :rotfl:
Quote from: The Troll on December 13, 2012, 09:55:13 PM
You have stated my feeling about unions. :biggrin: Who would have thought that would happen. :rotfl:
:eek:
Quote from: me on December 13, 2012, 09:47:07 PM
But what is put down the most? Is it not their choice and shouldn't they have a right to it? Yes, there are the off the wall extreme nuts but those who truly do believe and live it should not be put down and ostracized.
Organized religion I totally disagree with but each persons beliefs should be respected whether agreed with or not.
You have to recall which religion is predominant in this country, and it certainly isn't Islam. That's why you notice a difference in your so called observations.
Quote from: Locutus on December 13, 2012, 10:10:00 PM
You have to recall which religion is predominant in this country, and it certainly isn't Islam. That's why you notice a difference in your so called observations.
But there are too many times that other religions are made allowances for and Christianity is not tolerated or has to be hidden in order to not insult anyone.
Quote from: me on December 13, 2012, 10:29:23 PM
But there are too many times that other religions are made allowances for and Christianity is not tolerated or has to be hidden in order to not insult anyone.
Examples? And don't give me Bill O'Liely's war on Christmas bullshit.
Quote from: Locutus on December 13, 2012, 10:31:19 PM
Examples? And don't give me Bill O'Liely's war on Christmas bullshit.
Don't you ever read the paper or see the news? Go out and speak publicly about the Qur'an like you do about the Bible and see how quick someone comes down on you.
Quote from: me on December 13, 2012, 10:53:07 PM
Don't you ever read the paper or see the news? Go out and speak publicly about the Qur'an like you do about the Bible and see how quick someone comes down on you.
Your original post was directed toward atheists. Atheists speak out equally against both Islam and Christianity. Fairly tales are fairy tales regardless of from which book club they come.
Quote from: Locutus on December 13, 2012, 11:08:56 PM
Your original post was directed toward atheists. Atheists speak out equally against both Islam and Christianity. Fairly tales are fairy tales regardless of from which book club they come.
And when they speak out publicly against Islam someone comes down on them.
Quote from: me on December 13, 2012, 11:10:55 PM
And when they speak out publicly against Islam someone comes down on them.
In this country, when atheists speak out against fairy tales, it's generally the Xtians that come down on them.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on December 13, 2012, 11:50:29 PM
In this country, when atheists speak out against fairy tales, it's generally the Xtians that come down on them.
And both are wrong for doing so. When it all comes down to it everyone believes everyone else should believe, think, and do as they do only some are worse than others.
Quote from: Locutus on December 13, 2012, 10:31:19 PM
Examples? And don't give me Bill O'Liely's war on Christmas bullshit.
The truth about the so-called, "war on Christmas." (http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-december-3-2012/the-war-on-christmas--friendly-fire-edition)
This entire thread is such bullshit. The reason Christians get the lion's share of scorn in this country is that they try to legislate their beliefs to force the rest of us to live by their so-called morals. No other religion does that.
Quote from: Exterminator on December 14, 2012, 09:21:30 AM
This entire thread is such bullshit. The reason Christians get the lion's share of scorn in this country is that they try to legislate their beliefs to force the rest of us to live by their so-called morals. No other religion does that.
Hum, tell that to the people who have been executed for believing in Christianity in a Muslim country. You need to get out more Ex.
Quote from: me on December 14, 2012, 09:40:58 AM
Hum, tell that to the people who have been executed for believing in Christianity in a Muslim country.
I didn't know we were talking about other countries but are you implying that Christians never killed anyone who wouldn't conform to their religion? I understand that your depth of knowledge about...well...pretty much anything is pretty paltry but surely even you have heard of the Crusades? Just in case, you might want to look it up...millions were killed...might have something to do with why the Muslims hate Christians...just sayin'. :rolleyes:
QuoteYou need to get out more Ex.
That's pretty pathetic coming from an Andertuckian who's rarely been outside of Madison County.
Just for the record, I will not engage in this topic..at least after this one thought. I have my very strong opinion regarding this. I agree with some of the stances from both sides. The bottom line for me is this. Things are what they are. There are asshole Christians and asshole seculare and asshole atheist.
Christmas for example is a holiday celebrating the birth of Christ. That is a fact that cannot be disputed. Nobody is holding a gun to anyones head to celebrate it. If a business wants to Celebrate and it bothers you, don't support that business....If a business does not want to Celebrate it and it botherys, don't support that business.
I think too many people are making a bigger deal out of it than it should be...on both sides.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 14, 2012, 10:37:34 AM
I think too many people are making a bigger deal out of it than it should be...on both sides.
How can they not make an issue out of it with that asshole blowhard Bill O'Liely bringing it up nightly? :mad: He's fanning the flames on what (as you rightfully pointed out) is a non-issue, simply to pad his wallet with the funds of gullible idiots who fall for his garbage hook, line, and sinker.
Quote from: Exterminator on December 14, 2012, 10:00:42 AM
I didn't know we were talking about other countries but are you implying that Christians never killed anyone who wouldn't conform to their religion? I understand that your depth of knowledge about...well...pretty much anything is pretty paltry but surely even you have heard of the Crusades? Just in case, you might want to look it up...millions were killed...might have something to do with why the Muslims hate Christians...just sayin'. :rolleyes:
That's pretty pathetic coming from an Andertuckian who's rarely been outside of Madison County.
We aren't talking about way back when either we're talking about now so stick to now.
Quote from: me on December 14, 2012, 11:35:38 AM
We aren't talking about way back when either we're talking about now so stick to now.
Here's a clue: you don't get to restrict the conversation to only the few facts which support the nonsense that you used to start this bullshit thread and exclude everything else that is pertinent.
Quote from: Locutus on December 14, 2012, 11:22:27 AM
How can they not make an issue out of it with that asshole blowhard Bill O'Liely bringing it up nightly? :mad: He's fanning the flames on what (as you rightfully pointed out) is a non-issue, simply to pad his wallet with the funds of gullible idiots who fall for his garbage hook, line, and sinker.
Don't watch Bill O'rielly.....that simple.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 14, 2012, 10:37:34 AM
Just for the record, I will not engage in this topic..at least after this one thought. . . .
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 14, 2012, 12:17:50 PM
Don't watch Bill O'rielly.....that simple.
Liar. . .
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 14, 2012, 12:17:50 PM
Don't watch Bill O'rielly.....that simple.
I don't...he plays to the cheap seats.
:spdr:
Quote from: Exterminator on December 14, 2012, 12:19:19 PM
I don't...he plays to the cheap seats.
Indeed. He's a corporate shill just like the rest of them. . .
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 14, 2012, 12:17:50 PM
Don't watch Bill O'rielly.....that simple.
Then there really
IS hope for ya'! ;D
:spooked:
sorry, I reacted and didn't think this one through first....oops! :spooked:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 14, 2012, 12:35:36 PM
asshole
Take your punk-ass on down the road before you hurt yourself.
You are a liar and your replies prove it.
Quote from: Palehorse on December 14, 2012, 12:41:23 PM
Take your punk-ass on down the road before you hurt yourself.
You are a liar and your replies prove it.
Okay, I thought it through now.........ASSHOLE :yes:
< Locutus backs slowly out of the thread >
:biggrin:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 14, 2012, 12:46:05 PM
Okay, I thought it through now.........ASSHOLE :yes:
At least I'm not full of shit, like you are.
Quote from: Locutus on December 14, 2012, 12:51:23 PM
< Locutus backs slowly out of the thread >
:biggrin:
< HH backs slowly out of the thread, behind Locutus >
Watch your back Locutus. There is a blatant liar behind you.
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Quote from: Palehorse on December 14, 2012, 01:18:58 PM
Watch your back Locutus. There is a blatant liar behind you.
:spooked: :spooked:
I may be wrong, but I am pretty sure he is talking about ME!!! :spooked:
the blatant liar.... :yes: wait, a punk-ass liar... :yes: who is going to take his ass home before he gets hurt..(not sure what he meant by that one).. :yes: ... because I can't handle the truth... :yes: :spooked:
Okay, NOW I'm through here, that is all I'm going to say!!! :yes: Seriously!! :yes:
Not going to say anymore about it! :no:
Done! :yes:
Not a peep!
:lipsrsealed2:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 14, 2012, 03:25:06 PM
I may be wrong, but I am pretty sure he is talking about ME!!! :spooked:
the blatant liar.... :yes: wait, a punk-ass liar... :yes: who is going to take his ass home before he gets hurt..(not sure what he meant by that one).. :yes: ... because I can't handle the truth... :yes: :spooked:
Okay, NOW I'm through here, that is all I'm going to say!!! :yes: Seriously!! :yes:
Not going to say anymore about it! :no:
Done! :yes:
Not a peep!
:lipsrsealed2:
:big grin:
Quote from: Exterminator on December 14, 2012, 11:41:34 AM
Here's a clue: you don't get to restrict the conversation to only the few facts which support the nonsense that you used to start this bullshit thread and exclude everything else that is pertinent.
And here's a clue for you, just because you chose to ignore things which don't support your view of things doesn't mean it isn't happening.
Facebook flotsam is not truth!
You read about it in the newspaper and see it in the news almost everyday.
Quote from: me on December 15, 2012, 08:38:47 AM
You read about it in the newspaper and see it in the news almost everyday.
Really? How about some links to those stories to support that face book flotsam? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on December 15, 2012, 11:16:32 AM
Really? How about some links to those stories to support that face book flotsam? :rolleyes:
Nope, like I said before ain't gonna do that no more but if I happen to run across one I'll do it.
Quote from: Palehorse on December 15, 2012, 11:16:32 AM
Really? How about some links to those stories to support that face book flotsam? :rolleyes:
That's why whatever she posts anymore, I don't consider it relevant -- to anything at all.
No logic, no proof, no thought.
Babbling whatever fits her current hate profile.
Quote from: followsthewolf on December 15, 2012, 02:47:52 PM
That's why whatever she posts anymore, I don't consider it relevant -- to anything at all.
No logic, no proof, no thought.
Babbling whatever fits her current hate profile.
that sounds like the troll...
Quote from: followsthewolf on December 15, 2012, 02:47:52 PM
That's why whatever she posts anymore, I don't consider it relevant -- to anything at all.
No logic, no proof, no thought.
Babbling whatever fits her current hate profile.
Yeah. Funny how those who refuse to provide credible support for their babbling feel entitled to demand it of others.
Quote from: me on December 15, 2012, 12:08:23 PM
Nope, like I said before ain't gonna do that no more but if I happen to run across one I'll do it.
So it IS bullshit; as it was judged to be right out of the gate.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 15, 2012, 02:56:04 PM
that sounds like the troll...
And it is really too damn sad for you to leap to the defense of those who should not be defended.
You are beginning to sound way too much like "me."
Dangerously close to becoming irrelevant.
Quote from: Palehorse on December 15, 2012, 04:11:44 PM
Yeah. Funny how those who refuse to provide credible support for their babbling feel entitled to demand it of others.
I went to great lengths to provide very credible evidence to support a fact at one time and most, well everyone, said it didn't matter because I had misstated one thing that was actually unimportant to the fact and I told you then I wouldn't do it again.
Quote from: me on December 16, 2012, 12:11:01 AM
I went to great lengths to provide very credible evidence to support a fact at one time and most, well everyone, said it didn't matter because I had misstated one thing that was actually unimportant to the fact and I told you then I wouldn't do it again.
As is your prerogative to do, but don't whine when your credibility goes extinct. And don't expect of others what you yourself are unwilling to do.
Quote from: followsthewolf on December 15, 2012, 06:16:05 PM
And it is really too damn sad for you to leap to the defense of those who should not be defended.
You are beginning to sound way too much like "me."
Dangerously close to becoming irrelevant.
Already there from my view. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on December 16, 2012, 12:13:11 AM
As is your prerogative to do, but don't whine when your credibility goes extinct. And don't expect of others what you yourself are unwilling to do.
So in other words I don't have an right to an opinion because I happen to see things differently. Isn't that rather closed minded?
Quote from: me on December 16, 2012, 12:23:09 AM
So in other words I don't have an right to an opinion because I happen to see things differently. Isn't that rather closed minded?
Stop putting words or intentions into my statements. I never said such a thing. What I DID say, and imply, is that if you expect anyone to take your opinions and perspectives seriously, then you have the responsibility to provide credibility to them.
Your first mistake is believing that just because you hold an opinion it should be shared by others. And if your opinion is shared by others then you have the responsibility of providing sources.
Without it, it is nothing more than one person's opinion, which pales in comparison to an opinion based upon accredited information.
Quote from: me on December 16, 2012, 12:23:09 AM
So in other words I don't have an right to an opinion because I happen to see things differently. Isn't that rather closed minded?
That's your problem, you think to much and it is sure out of this world. :yes: One example, for someone who was born poor, wants to give the super rich a tax cut and kill the safety nets of the poor, old and sick.
This plus many other offbeat things makes you a wacko. :wacko:
Quote from: Palehorse on December 16, 2012, 01:45:46 AM
Stop putting words or intentions into my statements. I never said such a thing. What I DID say, and imply, is that if you expect anyone to take your opinions and perspectives seriously, then you have the responsibility to provide credibility to them.
Your first mistake is believing that just because you hold an opinion it should be shared by others. And if your opinion is shared by others then you have the responsibility of providing sources.
Without it, it is nothing more than one person's opinion, which pales in comparison to an opinion based upon accredited information.
For starters the word God can't be mentioned by students or faculty at graduation ceremony's any longer, when you go shopping most times you will hear "Happy Holiday's" rather than Merry Christmas, a school was told they couldn't take a class to see Charlie Brown Christmas because it was being shown in a church building and one person complained because of the building it was being shown in. What I posted may be a little extreme but I am seeing more and more things that are making it mostly true.
Oh, and on a side note my daughter worked at Sears through Christmas a few years back and they were told they could be fired if they said Merry Christmas and were to say happy holidays instead. Don't know if that has changed 'cause I don't shop at Sears but a lot of other stores are, or were, the same.
Quote from: me on December 16, 2012, 10:41:18 PM
For starters the word God can't be mentioned by students or faculty at graduation ceremony's any longer, when you go shopping most times you will hear "Happy Holiday's" rather than Merry Christmas, a school was told they couldn't take a class to see Charlie Brown Christmas because it was being shown in a church building and one person complained because of the building it was being shown in. What I posted may be a little extreme but I am seeing more and more things that are making it mostly true.
Oh, and on a side note my daughter worked at Sears through Christmas a few years back and they were told they could be fired if they said Merry Christmas and were to say happy holidays instead. Don't know if that has changed 'cause I don't shop at Sears but a lot of other stores are, or were, the same.
Welcome to the world of corporate-speak. Blame those corporate entities you and your ilk granted constitutional rights to.
While there may be isolated incidents in which the holiday season causes some to attempt to cross the line of separation of church and state, and thus draw attention to themselves and their efforts, I still maintain that the overall War on Christmas is bullshit of the highest order. And it's bullshit spewed to line the pockets of people like Bill O'Liely who prey on the gullible masses who believe that crap.
Speaking of the war on Christmas:
Well, here it is: the mother lode. A ban on Christmas that lasted over 22 years ... in America! The Puritans, for all their hemming and hawing over religious freedom, were a touchy group. Colony leader Governor William "Buzzkill Billy" Bradford, upon realizing that some pilgrims were taking the day off to celebrate Christmas, reprimanded them and instituted a fine of five shillings per mirth-making. (In his defense, he thought the song went "God Punish Ye Merry Gentlemen and Sentence Them to an Eternal Inferno.")
Christmas stirred up bad memories for the pilgrims. What Halloween is to little old ladies today, Christmas was to many people of England. Wassailers would go around asking for handouts from their neighbors and, if they weren't satisfied with the treat offerings, would sometimes terrorize them. The practice of visiting houses and singing carols for figgy pudding wasn't quite Malcolm McDowell and his droogs doing their "Singing in the Rain" bit, but it's safe to say that sometimes carolers put the "assail" in "wassail"; things got a little dicey.
The ban on Christmas became official law in 1659 and was not revoked until 1681, although the purest of Puritans were still hoping that the holiday observance wouldn't catch on. It did. But so did that whole "religious freedom" thing, so it all seemed to work out OK.
http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/3-ways-war-christmas-way-older-than-you-think/#ixzz2FHHwUdW7 (http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/3-ways-war-christmas-way-older-than-you-think/#ixzz2FHHwUdW7)
So may Bill O'Liley is a Puritan? :spooked:
Quote from: Locutus on December 16, 2012, 10:44:44 PM
While there may be isolated incidents in which the holiday season causes some to attempt to cross the line of separation of church and state, and thus draw attention to themselves and their efforts, I still maintain that the overall War on Christmas is bullshit of the highest order. And it's bullshit spewed to line the pockets of people like Bill O'Liely who prey on the gullible masses who believe that crap.
O'Reilley has little to do with what I've seen go on and in fact I haven't even watched the show for quite sometime now. Maybe bits and pieces here and there but that's it.
Quote from: Palehorse on December 16, 2012, 10:53:05 PM
Speaking of the war on Christmas:
Well, here it is: the mother lode. A ban on Christmas that lasted over 22 years ... in America! The Puritans, for all their hemming and hawing over religious freedom, were a touchy group. Colony leader Governor William "Buzzkill Billy" Bradford, upon realizing that some pilgrims were taking the day off to celebrate Christmas, reprimanded them and instituted a fine of five shillings per mirth-making. (In his defense, he thought the song went "God Punish Ye Merry Gentlemen and Sentence Them to an Eternal Inferno.")
Christmas stirred up bad memories for the pilgrims. What Halloween is to little old ladies today, Christmas was to many people of England. Wassailers would go around asking for handouts from their neighbors and, if they weren't satisfied with the treat offerings, would sometimes terrorize them. The practice of visiting houses and singing carols for figgy pudding wasn't quite Malcolm McDowell and his droogs doing their "Singing in the Rain" bit, but it's safe to say that sometimes carolers put the "assail" in "wassail"; things got a little dicey.
The ban on Christmas became official law in 1659 and was not revoked until 1681, although the purest of Puritans were still hoping that the holiday observance wouldn't catch on. It did. But so did that whole "religious freedom" thing, so it all seemed to work out OK.
http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/3-ways-war-christmas-way-older-than-you-think/#ixzz2FHHwUdW7 (http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/3-ways-war-christmas-way-older-than-you-think/#ixzz2FHHwUdW7)
So may Bill O'Liley is a Puritan? :spooked:
Who knows but it seems as thought history is trying to repeat its self.
Quote from: me on December 16, 2012, 10:59:31 PM
Who knows but it seems as thought history is trying to repeat its self.
Naw. we'd never do THAT! :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on December 16, 2012, 10:53:05 PM
So may Bill O'Liley is a Puritan? :spooked:
The Puritans would execute Bill O'Liely for apostasy. ;D
Quote from: me on December 16, 2012, 10:59:31 PM
Who knows but it seems as thought history is trying to repeat its self.
Possibly. It certainly seems that the religious among us are constantly attempting to force others into their belief system. That's exactly what the Puritans did. :wink:
Quote from: Locutus on December 16, 2012, 11:03:12 PM
The Puritans would execute Bill O'Liely for apostasy. ;D
:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on December 16, 2012, 11:04:24 PM
Possibly. It certainly seems that the religious among us are constantly attempting to force others into their belief system. That's exactly what the Puritans did. :wink:
Yeah. I'm waiting for them to break out the "biblical justice" game plan. :icon_twisted:
Hell, even the pope says they got the birthdate wrong! :yes:
Quote from: Palehorse on December 16, 2012, 11:08:38 PM
Hell, even the pope says they got the birthdate wrong! :yes:
Yes he sure did. Not too bad for a man wearing a dress. ;D :pope:
Now if we can just change the rest of his looney ideas.
I've noticed as I wander through the hustle and bustle of the holidays that no one says, "happy Hanukkah." Clearly there is a war on Hanukkah and the Jews should be pissed!
Quote from: Exterminator on December 17, 2012, 11:21:40 AM
I've noticed as I wander through the hustle and bustle of the holidays that no one says, "happy Hanukkah." Clearly there is a war on Hanukkah and the Jews should be pissed!
:yes:
Unless, of course, you go to a Jewish deli. ;D