With 11 Police Officers killed across the country in the last week or 10 days, it is no surprise to hear local news and media espousing about the possibility of a supposed "war on police". But truthfully I do not believe this to be the case, and if you think about the things I am going to say here, I believe you will not either.
Over the past 3 years this nation, and in fact the world, has been experiencing the negative impact of poor decisions and ill advised financial /international trade policies that have resulted in an economic downturn of global proportions. And while it is true that some areas of the world have been more impacted by this than others, suffice to say that the fallout from this situation is just beginning to be felt surrounding the human toll it is set to claim.
For years individuals within this country have strived to obtain the trappings of success; new homes, vehicles, and other material items that come along with a successful career and being employed by a thriving company.
While it is true that some of these folks over reached in purchasing a home that was in reality beyond their reach with traditional financing instruments, the less than admirable instruments made them obtainable to them and they purchased them. These folks were the initial casualties in those first 2 years of this collapse, and with them began the fall of evaluations of every piece of real estate in the country, regardless of whether or not the owners and their mortgages were traditionally acceptable or not.
As manufacturing continued its flight from the shores of this country, the jobs of millions of hard working Americans went with them, and when that happened the second wave of financial crises began; with families once living well within their means beginning to lose their homes because they could no longer find a good job to fill the void that so unexpectedly arose. In many cases both wage earners within a given household found themselves unemployed.
Then there are those who lost their jobs who have chosen to raid their life savings and retirement funds in order to try to keep their homes , meet their financial obligations, and bridge the gap until they find gainful employment. Yet, as each day has passed that replacement employment has been elusive for the majority of those unemployed.
Each and every week now, there is an ever increasing portion of our population that is reaching the end of the line surrounding hope in finding a job that will allow them to get out of the weeds and back onto the path of success. As their savings and retirement funds dwindle away to nothing, and their unemployment benefits are exhausted, they become increasingly desperate; and angry.
This desperation, frustration, and anger has been building over the past 3 years, and as we enter into 2011 and the prospects are not materializing quickly enough to save these folks, people that were perhaps always on "the edge" are being motivated to act out in ways that society finds unacceptable, and that are in direct conflict to the laws of humankind.
As resources dwindle surrounding our city, state, and federal government, cuts are being enacted that are negatively impacting the social safety nets that have traditionally been available to help people deal with such circumstances. Couple that with the tripling of the number of individuals in dire need of these resources, and you have a formula for disaster; and each one of us are but a plant closing away from being faced with this ourselves.
When these people on the edge of ruination, or those that are past the brink and in the middle of it, reach the breaking point, they are more inclined to act out and drive incidents such as those we have seen recently that have resulted in the killing of 11 police officers, the incident in Arizona, etc.
In many of these incidents, the only thing standing between each one of us and the individual(s) bent upon inciting anarchy, are the police officers. Yes, it is their job, it is what they are trained to do, it is what we have equipped them to do, but sometimes even they are ill prepared for the suddenness or savagery that are achieved by these emotionally and perhaps mentally disturbed individuals.
So, I say, lets not buy into the media propaganda campaign that is clearly attempting to create that which is not there in the first place. There is no war on the police in this country. What we have are desperate people driven by the circumstances of desperate times, and they are being increasingly pushed beyond the line between sanity and insanity by the actions and decisions of those who control the economic, financial, healthcare, and industrial areas of this nation, and in fact the world.
Jobs are the key and restarting the industrial heart of this nation is the engine that creates those jobs. In the meantime, we need to find a way to get these people what they need to tide them over until we can get that engine restarted, and mindless propaganda generated by an uncaring media is not helping things!
It gets worse. Some jackass thinks it's all an evil conspiracy (http://cloward-piven.com/) by the left. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on January 26, 2011, 07:35:18 PM
It gets worse. Some jackass thinks it's all an evil conspiracy (http://cloward-piven.com/) by the left. :rolleyes:
Friggin a-holes. . . :mad:
Of course.
Only leftist liberals ever shoot police officers.
But then, that's their job -- police officers are paid to get killed.
Sound familiar?
Quote from: followsthewolf on January 26, 2011, 07:43:51 PM
Of course.
Only leftist liberals ever shoot police officers.
But then, that's their job -- police officers are paid to get killed.
Sound familiar?
:yes: :yes: :yes:
Here goes Troll again, let's see how many jumps on this. I think the problem with the cops being killed are do the people loosing it. They work all their lives and have lost everything and I mean everything with a divorce. And if you a man there no help. No unemployment, no food stamps and no medical help for depression.
Some people are going for copucide, They can't commit suicidea because of religion, so they start something with the police. The guy who killed all of the people in Arizona had no escape plan. He knew he would be probably be killed.
With the bad times, depression and mental illness is rampant and people can't get the needed help. So they make someone pay for it and it's sometimes the cops.
I think it is simplier than that. I think a lot of it is drugs and people wanting something for nothing, don't want to work, rob someone, don't want to pay for anything, steal it, don't want to go back to jail, shoot the policeman trying to catch you.
Quote from: Anne on January 26, 2011, 09:58:26 PM
I think it is simplier than that. I think a lot of it is drugs and people wanting something for nothing, don't want to work, rob someone, don't want to pay for anything, steal it, don't want to go back to jail, shoot the policeman trying to catch you.
Wrong again. What about Palehorse. Smart, educated, good work record, well versed in his field and can't find a job. All over this country there million of men and women who want a job. But Your Republicans sent their jobs over seas. But you can't see it see it. It got to be the lazy druggies. :rolleyes:
The very same thinking and methodology that brings us the media hyped "War On Police" propaganda.
The "easy way out" is not the correct way, nor the right solution/explanation. . . :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
But it sure gets one out of thinking and straining their brains! :mad:
Quote from: The Troll on January 26, 2011, 10:18:59 PM
Wrong again. What about Palehorse. Smart, educated, good work record, well versed in his field and can't find a job. All over this country there million of men and women who want a job. But Your Republicans sent their jobs over seas. But you can't see it see it. It got to be the lazy druggies. :rolleyes:
The difference being he wants to work, doubt if he is going to go out and shoot a policeman because he doesn't have a job.
Quote from: Anne on January 26, 2011, 11:14:37 PM
The difference being he wants to work, doubt if he is going to go out and shoot a policeman because he doesn't have a job.
WOOOOOOOOOOSH!
Ok, show me how many police officers are killed by "good" people who are just out of work. The policeman in Indy was killed, allegedly, by a career criminal who didn't want to back to jail. Most people, imo, who kill police officers are not just people who are out of work and steal for food or rent, they are either into drugs, criminals with a long history of crime or just plain evil or crazy and aren't interested in a job if it were handed to them on a silver platter. No, I don't think there is a "War on Police", I do think there is a loss of morality happening, a loss of respect for life if that term suits you better. Somewhere along the line young people were not taught responsibility, respect, and self reliance. I am not talking about anyone in particular, just a general observation so don't anyone take offense.
Quote from: Anne on January 26, 2011, 11:14:37 PM
The difference being he wants to work, doubt if he is going to go out and shoot a policeman because he doesn't have a job.
That is what is so bad about the human brain. In a depressive state and a nervous break down anything can happen and it has. One of the best known place has been the post office. Going Postal. You can bet on that Domestic Diva. ( Anne's super hero name)
Quote from: Palehorse on January 26, 2011, 11:44:56 PM
WOOOOOOOOOOSH!
Oh no PH, let's not play Lolly, it didn't fly over my hear. At a early age the Domestic Diva's brain was put in backwards. :rotfl:
Quote from: Anne on January 27, 2011, 12:10:35 AM
Ok, show me how many police officers are killed by "good" people who are just out of work. The policeman in Indy was killed, allegedly, by a career criminal who didn't want to back to jail. Most people, imo, who kill police officers are not just people who are out of work and steal for food or rent, they are either into drugs, criminals with a long history of crime or just plain evil or crazy and aren't interested in a job if it were handed to them on a silver platter. No, I don't think there is a "War on Police", I do think there is a loss of morality happening, a loss of respect for life if that term suits you better. Somewhere along the line young people were not taught responsibility, respect, and self reliance. I am not talking about anyone in particular, just a general observation so don't anyone take offense.
Just where in hell have you been. Over the years your must have been bent over with your head is where the sun don't shine. I'll pick one of the easy one, the post office, the stock traders, bankrupted home owners. You have had to have been asleep :sleep: or unconscience. :bliss:
I believe the post office, stock brokers, and bankers are more likely to attack and kill those who they think are the cause of their problems (their boss, the bank, etc.) than go out and shoot a police officer, which is what this thread is about, killing police officers.
Quote from: Anne on January 27, 2011, 10:57:08 AM
I believe the post office, stock brokers, and bankers are more likely to attack and kill those who they think are the cause of their problems (their boss, the bank, etc.) than go out and shoot a police officer, which is what this thread is about, killing police officers.
Really? So in your mind the police have no responsibility surrounding dealing with these people when they go bonkers?
The fact is, regardless of whether or not they inflict death upon those they blame, in the end they are confronted by law enforcement; and typically that is after they have crossed the point of no return and have nothing further to lose. Their anger and frustration is already unleashed, and their ability to control their thoughts and decisions are at their lowest point. . . Killing one or several more people who happen to wear a badge is of no consequence to them. . .
There will always be an element of sociopathic human beings involved within these types of incidents, however to shrug off my theory surrounding the root cause for a portion of these recent incidents as being driven by the economic decline of this country is not exercising due diligence.
Just a little over a year ago, in 2009, national law enforcement advocates were touting the achievement of a fifty year low in police officer deaths in the line of duty. But last year those statistics took a sudden turn for the worse, surging by 40 percent to 162 officers being killed in the line of duty in 2010. And while certainly the sociopaths twisted disregard for human life plays a role in those statistics, the failure of their traditional social support systems is clearly driving this surge as well.
That support system typically entails the support of family and friends as they go through the re-acclimation into society. Obtaining gainful employment is also a key attribute for the newly released felon, and when college educated and experienced individuals cannot find employment in this country just how hard do you think it is for a convicted felon to obtain employment?
Moreover, when those friends and family are finding it hard to provide for themselves and retain employment, just how much discretionary cash do you think they have to help supplement the newly released felons life? How much food do yo think they have to help feed him? Housing? You get the idea.
So, while these individuals (felons) may indeed be more inclined than the average citizen to cross the line toward violent behaviors, in my mind the poor state of this economy is facilitating these incidents where they involve individuals with felony convictions,
Additionally, of the 162 fatal incidents in the last year, a portion of them included individuals that had no previous negative contact with law enforcement, but involved law abiding citizens that snapped due to the pressures of their lives. One has to wonder what those pressure were, and I believe it is a safe bet to assume they were related to the loss of gainful employment and mounting financial pressures related to the loss of income and an inability to replace that income.
Last year a record 1 million families were put out their homes across this country, and for each one of them the event is a very strong indication of desperate conditions within their personal lives. How may of them do you think reached the breaking point? How many of them are on the brink? How many more do you think will be moved toward irrational actions as a direct result of this?
Quote from: Palehorse on January 27, 2011, 11:58:06 AM
Really? So in your mind the police have no responsibility surrounding dealing with these people when they go bonkers?
The fact is, regardless of whether or not they inflict death upon those they blame, in the end they are confronted by law enforcement; and typically that is after they have crossed the point of no return and have nothing further to lose. Their anger and frustration is already unleashed, and their ability to control their thoughts and decisions are at their lowest point. . . Killing one or several more people who happen to wear a badge is of no consequence to them. . .
Many of those people end up killing themselves.
There will always be an element of sociopathic human beings involved within these types of incidents, however to shrug off my theory surrounding the root cause for a portion of these recent incidents as being driven by the economic decline of this country is not exercising due diligence.
Just a little over a year ago, in 2009, national law enforcement advocates were touting the achievement of a fifty year low in police officer deaths in the line of duty. But last year those statistics took a sudden turn for the worse, surging by 40 percent to 162 officers being killed in the line of duty in 2010. And while certainly the sociopaths twisted disregard for human life plays a role in those statistics, the failure of their traditional social support systems is clearly driving this surge as well.
That support system typically entails the support of family and friends as they go through the re-acclimation into society. Obtaining gainful employment is also a key attribute for the newly released felon, and when college educated and experienced individuals cannot find employment in this country just how hard do you think it is for a convicted felon to obtain employment?
Depends on what he/she is willing to do.
Moreover, when those friends and family are finding it hard to provide for themselves and retain employment, just how much discretionary cash do you think they have to help supplement the newly released felons life? How much food do yo think they have to help feed him? Housing? You get the idea.
So, while these individuals (felons) may indeed be more inclined than the average citizen to cross the line toward violent behaviors, in my mind the poor state of this economy is facilitating these incidents where they involve individuals with felony convictions,
Additionally, of the 162 fatal incidents in the last year, a portion of them included individuals that had no previous negative contact with law enforcement, but involved law abiding citizens that snapped due to the pressures of their lives. One has to wonder what those pressure were, and I believe it is a safe bet to assume they were related to the loss of gainful employment and mounting financial pressures related to the loss of income and an inability to replace that income.
Last year a record 1 million families were put out their homes across this country, and for each one of them the event is a very strong indication of desperate conditions within their personal lives. How may of them do you think reached the breaking point? How many of them are on the brink? How many more do you think will be moved toward irrational actions as a direct result of this?
I don't doubt that there are a few instances that are what you say they are, but I still believe the vast number of policemen who are killed with a weapon are killed by people who have no respect for anyone and are either career criminals, just plain evil or mentally ill.
Quote from: Palehorse on January 26, 2011, 06:41:32 PM
With 11 Police Officers killed across the country in the last week or 10 days, it is no surprise to hear local news and media espousing about the possibility of a supposed "war on police". But truthfully I do not believe this to be the case, and if you think about the things I am going to say here, I believe you will not either...
Quote from: Exterminator on January 26, 2011, 07:35:18 PM
It gets worse. Some jackass thinks it's all an evil conspiracy (http://cloward-piven.com/) by the left. :rolleyes:
I suggest that's it's the typical propaganda from the 'Thin Blue Line' and the RW Law and Order crowd using these unfortunate incidents to promote their agenda and for political/personal gain.
Quote from: Y on February 02, 2011, 09:50:27 PM
I suggest that's it's the typical propaganda from the 'Thin Blue Line' and the RW Law and Order crowd using these unfortunate incidents to promote their agenda and for political/personal gain.
If you believe the news media, all of the cops can walk water and gods on earth. Plus is takes all of the police cars in Indiana to bury them. I would like to see that money go to the widows and orphans. The amount of benefits to them are pathetic and hardly feed a large dog. So much for state benefits for cops killed on duty. If you are going to put them in harms way, take care of them.
Quote from: The Troll on February 02, 2011, 10:21:33 PM
If you believe the news media, all of the cops can walk water and gods on earth. Plus is takes all of the police cars in Indiana to bury them. I would like to see that money go to the widows and orphans. The amount of benefits to them are pathetic and hardly feed a large dog. So much for state benefits for cops killed on duty. If you are going to put them in harms way, take care of them.
If you are watching the riots in Egypt, the people hate the 83 year old dictator and the police. Why do you think he been able to stay in office for over 30 years.
They love the Army. The police have been the bullies and the abusers and most corrupt because they have been given these powers by corrupt government officials so they can stay in office. If we aren't careful the our police is going to be the same way, many cops already are
I just love it when someone says, "I never had and run in or problems with the police. Well, just wait it's coming also I can't believe they don't know someone who has been abused. :police: equals :waaa:
Quote from: Palehorse on January 26, 2011, 11:44:56 PM
WOOOOOOOOOOSH!
Just another strawman, like the war on xmas, etc. Doesn't exist. I would be willing to bet PO deaths have dropped, along with the murder rates of most US cities. Someone have any data on it, or do we really just get our "ideas" from assholes like beck, limpball, etc?