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Title: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on January 02, 2011, 04:23:11 PM
7.1 magnitude earthquake strikes coastal Chile, about 43 miles northwest of Temuco.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on February 11, 2011, 07:21:05 PM
CNN) -- There have been no reports of major damage or injuries in the wake of a 6.8-magnitude earthquake in Chile, according to the country's leader. . .

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/americas/02/11/chile.earthquake/index.html?hpt=T2 (http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/americas/02/11/chile.earthquake/index.html?hpt=T2)

That is three in this region in the last 12 months!  :spooked:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on February 18, 2011, 12:43:35 PM
The Earth is shaking in central Arkansas.

Almost two dozen earthquakes of magnitude 2.3 or greater have struck the region since midnight Wednesday, the U.S. Geological Survey reports.

The largest of the temblors, at 4.3 magnitude, hit at 2:13 a.m. Friday. It followed a 4.0-magnitude event at 11 p.m. Thursday.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on February 21, 2011, 10:37:01 PM
Police are reporting "multiple fatalities" after a 6.3-magnitude earthquake hit near Christchurch, New Zealand.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Locutus on February 21, 2011, 10:44:09 PM
That's the ring 'o' fire.   :yes:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on February 21, 2011, 10:52:29 PM
I'm thinking that ring of fire may be spreading in the next few years. There's an awful lot of activity in areas that rarely see any as well, and that tells me the plates are shifting a lot more. Just a matter of time before that fault down Evansville way gets enough pressure on it to "burp" and really shake things up in the mid section of this country. And that is going to get VERY ugly when it happens. . .

That bridge connecting Louisville to Indiana could be a casualty, as well as those bridges in Evansville! I'm talking Mothman II!

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/states/events/1811-1812.php (http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/states/events/1811-1812.php)

The above is a link to the last time the New Madrid fault burped. . .
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on February 21, 2011, 11:11:11 PM
December 16, 1811, 0815 UTC (2:15 a.m.); (M ~7.2 – 8.1) epicenter in northeast Arkansas. It caused only slight damage to man-made structures, mainly because of the sparse population in the epicentral area. The future location of Memphis, Tennessee experienced level IX shaking on the Mercalli intensity scale. A seismic seiche propagated upriver and Little Prairie was heavily damaged by soil liquefaction

December 16, 1811, 1415 UTC (8:15 a.m.); (M ~7.2–8.1) epicenter in northeast Arkansas. This shock followed the first earthquake by six hours and was similar in intensity.

January 23, 1812, 1500 UTC (9 a.m.); (M ~7.0–7.8) epicenter in the Missouri Bootheel. The meizoseismal area was characterized by general ground warping, ejections, fissuring, severe landslides, and caving of stream banks. Johnson and Schweig attributed this earthquake to a rupture on the New Madrid North Fault. This may have placed strain on the Reelfoot Fault.

February 7, 1812, 0945 UTC (4:45 a.m.); (M ~7.4–8.0) epicenter near New Madrid, Missouri. New Madrid was destroyed. At St. Louis, Missouri, many houses were severely damaged, and their chimneys were toppled. This shock was definitively attributed to the Reelfoot Fault by Johnston and Schweig. Uplift along a segment of this reverse fault created temporary waterfalls on the Mississippi at Kentucky Bend, created waves that propagated upstream, and caused the formation of Reelfoot Lake by obstructing streams in Lake County, Tennessee.

Been 199 years since this baby last really "burped". . . I wonder how long before it lets loose again?
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on March 11, 2011, 07:02:15 AM
AN 8.9 EARTHQUAKE  Struck off the coast of Japan at about 1:00 - 1:30AM EST this morning followed by a 13 to 33 foot TSUNAMI!
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: The Troll on March 11, 2011, 07:16:50 AM
Quote from: Palehorse on February 21, 2011, 11:11:11 PM
December 16, 1811, 0815 UTC (2:15 a.m.); (M ~7.2 – 8.1) epicenter in northeast Arkansas. It caused only slight damage to man-made structures, mainly because of the sparse population in the epicentral area. The future location of Memphis, Tennessee experienced level IX shaking on the Mercalli intensity scale. A seismic seiche propagated upriver and Little Prairie was heavily damaged by soil liquefaction

December 16, 1811, 1415 UTC (8:15 a.m.); (M ~7.2–8.1) epicenter in northeast Arkansas. This shock followed the first earthquake by six hours and was similar in intensity.

January 23, 1812, 1500 UTC (9 a.m.); (M ~7.0–7.8) epicenter in the Missouri Bootheel. The meizoseismal area was characterized by general ground warping, ejections, fissuring, severe landslides, and caving of stream banks. Johnson and Schweig attributed this earthquake to a rupture on the New Madrid North Fault. This may have placed strain on the Reelfoot Fault.

February 7, 1812, 0945 UTC (4:45 a.m.); (M ~7.4–8.0) epicenter near New Madrid, Missouri. New Madrid was destroyed. At St. Louis, Missouri, many houses were severely damaged, and their chimneys were toppled. This shock was definitively attributed to the Reelfoot Fault by Johnston and Schweig. Uplift along a segment of this reverse fault created temporary waterfalls on the Mississippi at Kentucky Bend, created waves that propagated upstream, and caused the formation of Reelfoot Lake by obstructing streams in Lake County, Tennessee.

Been 199 years since this baby last really "burped". . . I wonder how long before it lets loose again?

  Eventho the odds of an earthquake hitting here.  As cheap as earthquake insurance is here.  I buy it.  I sure could not afford to rebuild my house.  :yes:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on March 11, 2011, 07:21:07 AM
Quote from: The Troll on March 11, 2011, 07:16:50 AM
  Eventho the odds of an earthquake hitting here.  As cheap as earthquake insurance is here.  I buy it.  I sure could not afford to rebuild my house.  :yes:

As seismic activity seems to be increasing in size, locations, and nature, the odds surrounding an event along the New Madrid fault, and other lesser known faults present in the midwest, are increasing exponentially.

Certainly the PACRIM is an active area of the earth anyway for such events, however, the size of today's event there is historical, and an indication of a MAJOR shit in the plates. THAT typically results in a chain reaction as pressures shift. . .
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Sandy Eggo on March 11, 2011, 07:30:34 AM
Quote from: Palehorse on March 11, 2011, 07:02:15 AM
AN 8.9 EARTHQUAKE  Struck off the coast of Japan at about 1:00 - 1:30AM EST this morning followed by a 13 to 33 foot TSUNAMI!

I have a friend that lives in Japan. She txted everyone earlier to say she felt it, but was fine. Then the tsunami hit and no one can reach her. I'm sure power lines and cell towers are down. I hope she' still okay.

I have another friend in Hawaii bracing for a tsunami
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on March 11, 2011, 08:35:16 AM
KHL in Hawaii has been knocked off the air. . .  :spooked:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on March 11, 2011, 02:19:30 PM
6.6 in Nagano Japan. . . following the 8.9 in a different area this morning.  :spooked:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on March 11, 2011, 02:38:18 PM
Significant quakes listing thus far: (NOT including the one that was just reported above, (downgraded to 6.2)

Magnitude 8.9 NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN March 11, 2011
Magnitude 5.4 MYANMAR-CHINA BORDER REGION March 10, 2011
Magnitude 6.5 NEW BRITAIN REGION, PAPUA NEW GUINEA March 09, 2011
Magnitude 7.2 NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN March 09, 2011
Magnitude 6.6 SOLOMON ISLANDS March 07, 2011
Magnitude 6.5 SOUTH SANDWICH ISLANDS REGION March 06, 2011
Magnitude 4.7 ARKANSAS February 28, 2011
Magnitude 6.3 SOUTH ISLAND OF NEW ZEALAND February 21, 2011
Magnitude 4.1 ARKANSAS February 18, 2011
Magnitude 6.6 OFFSHORE MAULE, CHILE February 14, 2011
Magnitude 6.8 OFFSHORE BIO-BIO, CHILE February 11, 2011
Magnitude 6.5 CELEBES SEA February 10, 2011
Magnitude 7.2 SOUTHWESTERN PAKISTAN January 18, 2011
Magnitude 7.0 LOYALTY ISLANDS January 13, 2011
Magnitude 6.6 VANUATU January 09, 2011
Magnitude 4.1 NORTHERN CALIFORNIA January 08, 2011
Magnitude 7.1 ARAUCANIA, CHILE January 02, 2011
Magnitude 7.0 SANTIAGO DEL ESTERO, ARGENTINA January 01, 2011
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on April 18, 2011, 09:35:01 AM
6.4 EQ being reported in New Zeland. . .
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: The Troll on April 18, 2011, 10:03:59 AM
Quote from: Palehorse on April 18, 2011, 09:35:01 AM
6.4 EQ being reported in New Zeland. . .

  :music1: And it burns, burns and shakes the Ring of Fire. Music1:  The Ring of Fire. :music1:  As long as the Earth has a molted core, we will have earthquakes and really big quakes.  Even the moon has quakes that have been recorded.  :yes: :yes: :smile:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on May 22, 2011, 08:10:36 AM
And another Icelandic volcano has erupted beneath a glacier!!!!
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: followsthewolf on May 22, 2011, 09:08:11 AM
If it has a molted core, we'll certainly have enough feathers for our nests. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on May 22, 2011, 09:16:58 AM
Quote from: followsthewolf on May 22, 2011, 09:08:11 AM
If it has a molted core, we'll certainly have enough feathers for our nests. :biggrin:
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Henry Hawk on July 06, 2011, 03:24:45 PM
7.8 near New Zealand....
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on August 23, 2011, 11:50:00 AM
A moderate 5.3-magnitude earthquake that rattled southern Colorado early Tuesday morning was the largest to hit the state in more than 40 years, the U.S. Geological Survey said.
The quake's epicenter was seven miles southwest of Cokedale, and 180 miles south of Denver. There were no immediate reports of casualties.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Henry Hawk on August 23, 2011, 02:50:55 PM
5.9 MAG EARTHQUAKE ROCKS DC-NYC (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_EAST_COAST_QUAKE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-08-23-14-05-37)
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Anne on August 23, 2011, 05:53:08 PM
My daughter sent me a text, couldn't get through on the phone. She lives about 30 miles from DC and said their house shook, the windows rattled and some pictures fell off the wall. No one was injured. They are checking the schools for structural damage before they decided if they will have school tomorrow.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Sandy Eggo on August 23, 2011, 06:09:41 PM
I'm glad everyone is okay, Anne. They're bracing for a hurrcane too. :yes:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on August 23, 2011, 07:45:56 PM
I will remind everyone that there is a real substantial fault line running through the midwest right at Evansville; and it is RIPE for burping. Especially given the fact it has been over 100 years since it last did so, and now the plates on both sides of it have burped today!
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Anne on August 23, 2011, 08:24:44 PM
Thanks, Sandy. They really like it out there but they have had a lot of unusual weather the last two years and now the earthquake.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on August 24, 2011, 01:13:26 AM
And to those who off-handedly dismissed my stated theories surrounding nuclear generation plants here in the midwest failing at levels similar to what we saw in Japan, I will present the following excerpts from the media surrounding the event today in Virginia, (a mere 5.8 I might add):

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/08/23/virginia.quake/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 (http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/08/23/virginia.quake/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)

...A strong earthquake in Virginia shut down a nearby nuclear power plant Tuesday afternoon and sent out seismic waves felt by millions from Georgia to northern New England. Three aftershocks were reported by Tuesday evening.. . .

. . .The earthquake triggered the automatic shutdown of a nuclear power plant less than 20 miles from the epicenter after it lost electricity. The quake signaled "unusual events" at 12 other nuclear facilities across the East Coast and Michigan, U.S. authorities reported.
Dominion Virginia Power said both reactors at its North Anna plant shut down after the first tremors. Reidelbach said the plant vented steam, but there was no release of radioactive material. Dan Stoddard, senior vice president of nuclear operations for Dominion, said there was no damage to the spent fuel pool.
Officials were restoring full power to the site, which was operating on diesel generators. Stoddard said that might happen by late Tuesday, but that was before the evening aftershock. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission was monitoring the plant.
. . .

Now, hypothetically speaking, should the New Madrid fault line decide to burp, as it did last in 1812, (a magnitude 7 to 8.4), just how confident are we really that these midwest facilities will be capable of weathering such a temblor? Seriously, a LOT of those facilities are rolled via man made, "perched" bodies of water well inland from any natural source that could reasonably be utilized to cool an out of control reactor that has had it's main cooling source destroyed by a seismic event. And a few of those babies are relatively close to the New Madrid Fault area. . .

And guess who is downwind from them?  :eek: :mad: :mad: :mad:

I've been saying for some time now that world wide seismic activity has been taking place in areas that historically have not seen such activity within modern times. And the two events here in the US today serve only to validate that line of thinking. And while the locations of todays events may experience a tremor periodically, the event in Colorado was the largest in 40 years, and the one in Virginia was the largest in history. . .

Today's events happened on both sides of the New Madrid Fault line. It's fairly reasonable to assume that todays events may very well have increased the likelihood of an event taking place here via the transfer of pressures along the tectonic plates and the associated fault lines said shifts have created.

It has been 199 years, and as each day goes by the day of the next event draws nearer. Are you prepared?

Heres a map, (courtesy of USGS), that shows the major fault lines within the US, and the associated hazard ratings for those fault lines:

(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr111/hlovett_2008/US-FAULT-LINES.jpg)

See that big red area on the southern end of Indiana? That would be the one we need to be worrying about!
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on August 24, 2011, 01:36:41 AM
Quote from: Palehorse on August 24, 2011, 01:13:26 AM
And to those who off-handedly dismissed my stated theories surrounding nuclear generation plants here in the midwest failing at levels similar to what we saw in Japan, I will present the following excerpts from the media surrounding the event today in Virginia, (a mere 5.8 I might add):

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/08/23/virginia.quake/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 (http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/08/23/virginia.quake/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)

...A strong earthquake in Virginia shut down a nearby nuclear power plant Tuesday afternoon and sent out seismic waves felt by millions from Georgia to northern New England. Three aftershocks were reported by Tuesday evening.. . .

. . .The earthquake triggered the automatic shutdown of a nuclear power plant less than 20 miles from the epicenter after it lost electricity. The quake signaled "unusual events" at 12 other nuclear facilities across the East Coast and Michigan, U.S. authorities reported.
Dominion Virginia Power said both reactors at its North Anna plant shut down after the first tremors. Reidelbach said the plant vented steam, but there was no release of radioactive material. Dan Stoddard, senior vice president of nuclear operations for Dominion, said there was no damage to the spent fuel pool.
Officials were restoring full power to the site, which was operating on diesel generators. Stoddard said that might happen by late Tuesday, but that was before the evening aftershock. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission was monitoring the plant.
. . .

Now, hypothetically speaking, should the New Madrid fault line decide to burp, as it did last in 1812, (a magnitude 7 to 8.4), just how confident are we really that these midwest facilities will be capable of weathering such a temblor? Seriously, a LOT of those facilities are rolled via man made, "perched" bodies of water well inland from any natural source that could reasonably be utilized to cool an out of control reactor that has had it's main cooling source destroyed by a seismic event. And a few of those babies are relatively close to the New Madrid Fault area. . .

And guess who is downwind from them?  :eek: :mad: :mad: :mad:

I've been saying for some time now that world wide seismic activity has been taking place in areas that historically have not seen such activity within modern times. And the two events here in the US today serve only to validate that line of thinking. And while the locations of todays events may experience a tremor periodically, the event in Colorado was the largest in 40 years, and the one in Virginia was the largest in history. . .

Today's events happened on both sides of the New Madrid Fault line. It's fairly reasonable to assume that todays events may very well have increased the likelihood of an event taking place here via the transfer of pressures along the tectonic plates and the associated fault lines said shifts have created.

It has been 199 years, and as each day goes by the day of the next event draws nearer. Are you prepared?

Heres a map, (courtesy of USGS), that shows the major fault lines within the US, and the associated hazard ratings for those fault lines:

(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr111/hlovett_2008/US-FAULT-LINES.jpg)

See that big red area on the southern end of Indiana? That would be the one we need to be worrying about!

If you really want a good scare, look up the mapped locations of the Illinois nuclear facilities in relation to that big red fault line. The ones in Clinton, Lasalle, Dresdon, and Braidwood specifically!
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: The Troll on August 24, 2011, 10:47:24 AM

  All of the scientist, astronomers say, it is not if we are going to be hit by a metorite, it when we are going to be hit by a metorite.   What happen if the metorite comes and hits the nuclur power plants or the East coast.  Hummmmmmm? :o :eek: :spooked: :cry:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Henry Hawk on August 24, 2011, 12:14:25 PM
Quote from: The Troll on August 24, 2011, 10:47:24 AM
  All of the scientist, astronomers say, it is not if we are going to be hit by a metorite, it when we are going to be hit by a metorite.   What happen if the metorite comes and hits the nuclur power plants or the East coast.  Hummmmmmm? :o :eek: :spooked: :cry:

uh,....this is the earthquake thread.........maybe you should go to the metorite thread...
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Exterminator on August 24, 2011, 12:49:42 PM
(http://keithgrossman.com/earthquake.jpg)
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on August 24, 2011, 01:03:36 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on August 24, 2011, 12:49:42 PM
(http://keithgrossman.com/earthquake.jpg)

:food24: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: The Troll on August 24, 2011, 01:09:25 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 24, 2011, 12:14:25 PM
uh,....this is the earthquake thread.........maybe you should go to the metorite thread...

  Thank you for your intelligent answer Machele, oh, I'm sorry, Henery.  :grin2:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Henry Hawk on August 24, 2011, 01:10:07 PM
Quote from: The Troll on August 24, 2011, 01:09:25 PM
  Thank you for your intelligent answer Machele, oh, I'm sorry, Henery.  :grin2:

glad to help... ;D
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Anne on August 24, 2011, 02:12:00 PM
Talked to my daughter again today and she said some buildings were badly damaged and/or collapsed in small towns close to her. Kids are out of school today while the schools are being checked for damage. Hurricane due on Saturday.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: The Troll on August 24, 2011, 04:36:28 PM
Quote from: Anne on August 24, 2011, 02:12:00 PM
Talked to my daughter again today and she said some buildings were badly damaged and/or collapsed in small towns close to her. Kids are out of school today while the schools are being checked for damage. Hurricane due on Saturday.

  Where does she live.  I haven't seen any collapsed homes on TV.   :confused:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on August 24, 2011, 07:53:12 PM
7.0 in Peru today.

I saw plenty of collapsed buildings and damaged structures on the local news at noon today; from the Virginia EQ yesterday.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Locutus on August 24, 2011, 09:37:15 PM
Quote from: Anne on August 24, 2011, 02:12:00 PM
Talked to my daughter again today and she said some buildings were badly damaged and/or collapsed in small towns close to her. Kids are out of school today while the schools are being checked for damage. Hurricane due on Saturday.

Jeebus is coming!   :yes:  ;D
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Anne on August 24, 2011, 10:07:15 PM
She lives in a small town near Warrenton VA about 25/30 miles from DC. The national news pretty much only covered DC and NY.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: The Troll on August 25, 2011, 11:25:39 PM
Quote from: Anne on August 24, 2011, 10:07:15 PM
She lives in a small town near Warrenton VA about 25/30 miles from DC. The national news pretty much only covered DC and NY.

  It looks like she might get some wind and rain.  :rain1:  :rain2:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Anne on August 26, 2011, 11:54:21 AM
That is what they are telling her. They were hoping to be going to grandson's first double header of fall baseball. Guess they will put it off awhile.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on October 23, 2011, 07:49:40 PM
7.2 in Turkey today has an early death toll of 138. Expected to rise.

A large number of buildings down. . .
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on November 06, 2011, 10:56:16 AM
A 5.6-magnitude quake struck 4 miles east of Sparks, OK in Lincoln County at 11:53 p.m. ET Saturday.
Roads buckled and structural damage. . .

It is the largest quake to ever hit the area since records have been kept! A 4.7 hit earlier in the day.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: The Troll on November 06, 2011, 09:46:28 PM

  Let's face it, you can run, but there is no place that is perfectly safe under the heaven.   :yes: :pray:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on January 31, 2012, 02:05:59 AM
Quote from: Palehorse on August 24, 2011, 01:13:26 AM
And to those who off-handedly dismissed my stated theories surrounding nuclear generation plants here in the midwest failing at levels similar to what we saw in Japan, I will present the following excerpts from the media surrounding the event today in Virginia, (a mere 5.8 I might add):

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/08/23/virginia.quake/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 (http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/08/23/virginia.quake/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)

...A strong earthquake in Virginia shut down a nearby nuclear power plant Tuesday afternoon and sent out seismic waves felt by millions from Georgia to northern New England. Three aftershocks were reported by Tuesday evening.. . .

. . .The earthquake triggered the automatic shutdown of a nuclear power plant less than 20 miles from the epicenter after it lost electricity. The quake signaled "unusual events" at 12 other nuclear facilities across the East Coast and Michigan, U.S. authorities reported.
Dominion Virginia Power said both reactors at its North Anna plant shut down after the first tremors. Reidelbach said the plant vented steam, but there was no release of radioactive material. Dan Stoddard, senior vice president of nuclear operations for Dominion, said there was no damage to the spent fuel pool.
Officials were restoring full power to the site, which was operating on diesel generators. Stoddard said that might happen by late Tuesday, but that was before the evening aftershock. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission was monitoring the plant.
. . .

Now, hypothetically speaking, should the New Madrid fault line decide to burp, as it did last in 1812, (a magnitude 7 to 8.4), just how confident are we really that these midwest facilities will be capable of weathering such a temblor? Seriously, a LOT of those facilities are rolled via man made, "perched" bodies of water well inland from any natural source that could reasonably be utilized to cool an out of control reactor that has had it's main cooling source destroyed by a seismic event. And a few of those babies are relatively close to the New Madrid Fault area. . .

And guess who is downwind from them?  :eek: :mad: :mad: :mad:

I've been saying for some time now that world wide seismic activity has been taking place in areas that historically have not seen such activity within modern times. And the two events here in the US today serve only to validate that line of thinking. And while the locations of todays events may experience a tremor periodically, the event in Colorado was the largest in 40 years, and the one in Virginia was the largest in history. . .

Today's events happened on both sides of the New Madrid Fault line. It's fairly reasonable to assume that todays events may very well have increased the likelihood of an event taking place here via the transfer of pressures along the tectonic plates and the associated fault lines said shifts have created.

It has been 199 years, and as each day goes by the day of the next event draws nearer. Are you prepared?

Heres a map, (courtesy of USGS), that shows the major fault lines within the US, and the associated hazard ratings for those fault lines:

(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr111/hlovett_2008/US-FAULT-LINES.jpg)

See that big red area on the southern end of Indiana? That would be the one we need to be worrying about!

I resurrect this topic and post, not because of an earthquake imposing a failure, but to point out that I feel the following incident today, in ILLINOIS, (which the jet stream and prevailing winds pass through before heading to Indiana), validates my position!


Jan. 30 (Bloomberg) -- Exelon Corp. shut the Byron 2 reactor in Illinois after losing offsite power, a spokeswoman for the Nuclear Regulatory Commission said.

"There were reports of smoke around the transformer, but they found there was no fire," Victoria Mitlyng, an agency spokeswoman based in Chicago, said in a telephone interview.

Exelon, the largest U.S. utility holding company, declared an unusual event, the lowest of four emergency categories, at 10:18 a.m. The 1,136-megawatt reactor is 85 miles (137 kilometers) west of Chicago, where Exelon is based. Another unit at the site, the 1,164-megawatt Byron 1, is operating at full capacity.

The cause of the power failure hasn't been determined, Mitlyng said. Diesel generators are supplying power to the reactor and the federal agency has inspectors at the plant monitoring the situation, she said.

"The facility remains in a safe condition and station experts are looking into the cause," Krista Lopykinski, a spokeswoman at the plant, said in an e-mail. "There's no impact to public health or safety."


What this story doesn't tell you is that the reactor was in the process of a melt down, and the diesel generators designed to back up the cooling system, would not start for a period of time, which ultimatley led to the release of steam in order to prevent melt-down from beginning. . .
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Anne on January 31, 2012, 08:31:56 AM
Do you work at one or know anyone who does? I am not disputing what you wrote/think. My son works at a plant in FL.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on January 31, 2012, 11:19:55 AM
Quote from: Anne on January 31, 2012, 08:31:56 AM
Do you work at one or know anyone who does? I am not disputing what you wrote/think. My son works at a plant in FL.

I do not currently work in them, however I have been to many of the sites in Illinois. Just look at the age of the majority of the units in operation in Illinois.

My point is that there is a very high likliehood that they will do the same thing that happened in Japan, when the New Madrid fault next burps. While the Byron plant is logistically closer to a natural body of fresh water than the rest, should the man-made and perched cooling lakes that supply water to most of the others have a dyke failure, then water to cool / control the nuclear fusion process will not be available.

And Indiana is directly downwind from those sites.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Henry Hawk on January 31, 2012, 11:28:31 AM
let's cut to the chase, what are you implying?  That we do away with power plants or are you wanting more secure measures put into place.
Not being a Smart ass.....just asking.  :)
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on January 31, 2012, 10:23:49 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 31, 2012, 11:28:31 AM
let's cut to the chase, what are you implying?  That we do away with power plants or are you wanting more secure measures put into place.
Not being a Smart ass.....just asking.  :)

I've stated, rather than implied, that nuclear facilities are not safe; and clearly not as safe as the NRC and other entities would have each one of us believe.

DO they operate within guidelines, and in many cases exceeding requirements. Yes.

But look at the average age of these facilities, especially the ones in Illinois; because those are the most likely to impact the residents of Indiana should a release occur.

Nuke facilities world wide are not environmentally friendly. They produce tons of waste each year, and every single ounce of that waste makes anything it comes into contact with lethal to human life and all life, for centuries. (Look at Chernobyl).

The negatives of nuclear energy far outweigh the positives, and wind/solar alternatives are a win-win, easily implemented, and represent no centuries long environmental impact surrounding the sustainment of life.

The facilities in Illinois, as it relates to the topic within this posting resides, leaves them at risk for a similar incident to that which transpired in Japan last year. Only, instead of being flooded with salt water, the majority of these facility risk catastrophic failure of the man made / and perched cooling lakes that provide the necessary water. One portion of those dykes fails, and all of the water runs out and into the ground. And most of them have nothing but public water service as a potential source for supplying water should such an event happen.

THOSE are my points, my concerns, and they will one day be yours should the New Madrid fault incur a seismic event equal to or exceeding the last time it did so.

It is very easy to drink the kool aid they are serving up surrounding the safety of our Nuclear facilities. But events such as the one that happened this week, (yesterday), at Byron in Illinois, demonstrate that what happened in Japan can easily happen here!
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on February 21, 2012, 11:49:43 AM
4.0 very early this morning in Missouri, felt in Illinois, Kentucky, Indiana. Leaving some cracked windows, sidewalks, and roads; along with some items shaken off shelves, etc.

Is this the New Madrid yawning and preparing for an early summer burp?  :spooked:

4.0

Date-Time
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 at 09:58:43 UTC
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 at 03:58:43 AM at epicenter
Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones
Location
36.850°N, 89.409°W
Depth
5 km (3.1 miles)
Region
SOUTHEASTERN MISSOURI
Distances
16 km (9 miles) ESE of Sikeston, Missouri
27 km (16 miles) SW of Cairo, Illinois
197 km (122 miles) NNE of Memphis, Tennessee
310 km (192 miles) SE of JEFFERSON CITY, Missouri
Location Uncertainty
horizontal +/- 8.7 km (5.4 miles); depth +/- 3 km (1.9 miles)
Parameters
NST=155, Nph=173, Dmin=54.5 km, Rmss=1.29 sec, Gp= 18°,
M-type=body wave magnitude (Mb), Version=7
Source
Magnitude: USGS NEIC (WDCS-D)
Location: USGS NEIC (WDCS-D)
Event ID
usb000834r
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Locutus on March 20, 2012, 03:30:09 PM
Major 7.6 earthquake on Mexico's Pacific coast. 

2:36 PM EDT, March 20, 2012

MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - A major 7.6 magnitude earthquake struck 120 miles east of Acapulco on Mexico's Pacific coast, the U.S. Geological Survey said on Tuesday.

The USGS located the epicenter of the quake at 15 miles east of Ometepec in Guerrero state at a depth of 10.9 miles.

The Pacific Tsunami Warning Center said the inland earthquake would not generate a destructive widespread tsunami, but there was the possibility of some local tsunami effects.

The quake was felt in Mexico City where buildings shook and office employees fled into the street, according to a Reuters witnesses. Cell phone lines were down and traffic snarled in the capital moments after the quake.

No damage was reported in Oaxaca, near where the quake hit, according to local television.

Earlier it had been reported at 7.9 magnitude and initially as 7.6 magnitude.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/nationworld/sns-rt-us-032012-acapulco-quake-story,0,893628.story
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Locutus on March 20, 2012, 03:31:36 PM
I highlighted that one sentence about Oaxaca because Malia Obama is there for spring break this week.   :spooked:

President Barack Obama's 13-year-old daughter, Malia Ann Obama, will be spending her spring break in the Mexican city of Oaxaca with 12 friends and 25 Secret Service agents.

http://img.ibtimes.com/www/articles/20120319/316249_malia-obama-mexico-spring-break-travel-warning.htm
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: The Troll on March 20, 2012, 07:49:07 PM
Quote from: Locutus on March 20, 2012, 03:31:36 PM
I highlighted that one sentence about Oaxaca because Malia Obama is there for spring break this week.   :spooked:

President Barack Obama's 13-year-old daughter, Malia Ann Obama, will be spending her spring break in the Mexican city of Oaxaca with 12 friends and 25 Secret Service agents.

http://img.ibtimes.com/www/articles/20120319/316249_malia-obama-mexico-spring-break-travel-warning.htm

  Please give a reason why you brought this up, is it to beat "ME".  Just thinking, as Henry would say.   :wink:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Locutus on March 20, 2012, 11:54:33 PM
Quote from: The Troll on March 20, 2012, 07:49:07 PM
  Please give a reason why you brought this up, is it to beat "ME".  Just thinking, as Henry would say.   :wink:

I'm surprised they didn't seize on the obvious opening for a routing talking point after I posted that.  ;D
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on March 21, 2012, 01:00:32 AM
Was not even aware this happened today (err yesterday at this time of the morning), until I read your post on it Locutus!

Been busy working and swatting flies!  :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Henry Hawk on March 21, 2012, 08:39:28 AM
Quote from: Locutus on March 20, 2012, 11:54:33 PM
I'm surprised they didn't seize on the obvious opening for a routing talking point after I posted that.  ;D

Didn't have it in me to waste my time arguing yesterday..... :razz:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on March 21, 2012, 11:58:10 AM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 21, 2012, 08:39:28 AM
Didn't have it in me to waste my time arguing yesterday..... :razz:

Except in my case it would seem. . .  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Henry Hawk on March 21, 2012, 12:13:16 PM
Quote from: Palehorse on March 21, 2012, 11:58:10 AM
Except in my case it would seem. . .  :rolleyes:

sorry....
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on April 11, 2012, 11:40:43 AM
8.6 followed by an 8.2 struck off the coast of Sumatra Indonesia today. . . Triggered a Tsunami watch which has since been cancelled.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: The Troll on April 11, 2012, 02:23:09 PM
Quote from: Palehorse on April 11, 2012, 11:40:43 AM
8.6 followed by an 8.2 struck off the coast of Sumatra Indonesia today. . . Triggered a Tsunami watch which has since been cancelled.

  Those earthquakes in Muslim Indonesia that drove thousands and thousands to the hills and high ground.  After finding that there would be no tidal waves they returned to they homes screaming, "God is Great"  God?  Why are they yelling god is great when he caused the earth quakes in the first place. :doh:   ::)
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on April 12, 2012, 12:02:10 AM
7.0 struck in Western Mexico today. . .
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Locutus on April 12, 2012, 12:04:35 AM
We just keep inching closer and closer to December 22!   :rotfl:

Jeebus is coming!
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on April 12, 2012, 12:07:42 AM
Quote from: Locutus on April 12, 2012, 12:04:35 AM
We just keep inching closer and closer to December 22!   :rotfl:

Jeebus is coming!

;D ;D
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: The Troll on April 12, 2012, 04:30:35 PM
Quote from: Locutus on April 12, 2012, 12:04:35 AM
We just keep inching closer and closer to December 22!   :rotfl:

Jeebus is coming!

  I wonder if anyone here on the Zone well have their bags packed and standing by the door.  :chick:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on April 12, 2012, 07:47:06 PM
I'm awaiting the new  Madrid fault lines burp! Ironically the last time it did so was right around that time of year. . .
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: The Troll on April 12, 2012, 08:26:39 PM
Quote from: Palehorse lk=topic=17489.msg432370#msg432370 date=1334274426
I'm awaiting the new  Madrid fault lines burp! Ironically the last time it did so was right around that time of year. . .

  You heard the statement, "have you got milk".  With me it is,  "have you got earthquake insurance"  I have.   :biggrin:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: The Troll on April 12, 2012, 08:32:54 PM

  Oh Horse, I forgot to tell you about something that happen just on the town limit here.  But about 18 years ago they had a earth quake down there and the stone quarry here was shut down for awhile.  It was at the time when they were mining the stone under ground.  The quake had raised a 3 to 4 foot ridge of lime stone on the mine floor.  It that happened under my house it would be totaled.  I sure couldn't afford to loose my house.   :yes: :smile:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on April 12, 2012, 09:35:12 PM
Quote from: The Troll on April 12, 2012, 08:26:39 PM
  You heard the statement, "have you got milk".  With me it is,  "have you got earthquake insurance"  I have.   :biggrin:

Yup. Thats a no brainer and worth every dollar in premium cost. (as long as they pay out when it happens)
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Anne on April 12, 2012, 10:21:24 PM
Does yours pay out differently than regular home insurance. When we got ours it was explained as a percentage, not like the replacement coverage we have on the regular insurance. I'm not sure if it is just our insurance company is like that or all of them are.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: The Troll on April 12, 2012, 10:42:47 PM
Quote from: Anne on April 12, 2012, 10:21:24 PM
Does yours pay out differently than regular home insurance. When we got ours it was explained as a percentage, not like the replacement coverage we have on the regular insurance. I'm not sure if it is just our insurance company is like that or all of them are.

  I'm going to have to check that.  I got replacement insurance.  If my 130 year old house is slid off it ruble foundation and it cost more to put it back and all of the hard wood floors and native wood walls fixed, the lath plaster fixed, plus the ruble foundation was crumbles.  How can they come up with a percentage.    :confused:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on April 12, 2012, 11:11:32 PM
Quote from: Anne on April 12, 2012, 10:21:24 PM
Does yours pay out differently than regular home insurance. When we got ours it was explained as a percentage, not like the replacement coverage we have on the regular insurance. I'm not sure if it is just our insurance company is like that or all of them are.

Ours is repair / replacement costs surrounding structural / content damage, or current market value surrounding total loss. Same coverage surrounding alternative living costs in case home is unsafe until repairs are made.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Anne on April 13, 2012, 08:32:55 AM
Our regular insurance is repair/replacement value, and we have had excellent service from that company during the ice storm and when we were robbed. But when we bought the earthquake insurance it pays like 90% instead of the other.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: The Troll on April 13, 2012, 08:49:53 AM
Quote from: Anne on April 13, 2012, 08:32:55 AM
Our regular insurance is repair/replacement value, and we have had excellent service from that company during the ice storm and when we were robbed. But when we bought the earthquake insurance it pays like 90% instead of the other.

  I would really like to know how you were robbed.  I trust insurance companies like I would trust my living standard with Romney.   :wink:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Anne on April 13, 2012, 06:56:16 PM
Came in during the night, took about $2,500 worth of stuff from the garage and house. We think the dog scared them off when they started down the hallway. We were asleep.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: followsthewolf on April 15, 2012, 07:10:06 AM
That's scary.

Glad no one in your family was hurt physically (including the dog -- I'm a pooch lover).
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: The Troll on April 15, 2012, 09:10:32 AM
Quote from: Anne on April 13, 2012, 06:56:16 PM
Came in during the night, took about $2,500 worth of stuff from the garage and house. We think the dog scared them off when they started down the hallway. We were asleep.

  WE were robbed many years a go.  At that time we never locked our house.  We came home and the front door was open and the back door was to.  The refrigerator door was open and he had took the eggs out and thew them against the walls.

  He stole one of my guns and believe it or not he stole my wife's panties.

  His name was White and he was breaking in houses at night stealing anything small and valuable and food.  He would then turn up the thermostat on high and then leave while the people where still in bed.

  After he stole my pistol the police considered him armed and dangerous and really put out a search.  They caught him living in a hog house on a farm between Lapel and Anderson.  We never left the house unlocked again.   :eek: :biggrin:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Anne on April 15, 2012, 10:43:49 PM
We had the doors locked but not the overhead garage door. It was one of the big old wooden ones and very difficult to raise, we only locked it when we were out of town. That is how they got in. When we realized what had happened and call the police we found out several cars in the neighborhood had also been broken into. I wasn't particularly scared, because it was after the fact I'm sure, but I was royally pissed that someone came into my house and took my stuff! As far as I know they never caught the persons, but they did arrest the fence so we got some of our stuff back, mostly little things. I think our poor old dog was scared when they started down the hallway.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: The Troll on April 17, 2012, 01:37:04 PM

  ANNE, I checked on my earthquake insurance.  The coverage goes like this.  5% deduction on the cost of repair or replacement from an earthquake.  If it catches of fire during the earthquake and burns it is a $500 deduction

  My house is insured for $240,000 replacement, if it was totally destroyed in an earthquake it would cost 12,000 to get a $240,000 new home.  If it burn down it would cost us $500.

  I think I could really live with this.   :biggrin:    :bliss:       :bliss:       :bliss:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on May 10, 2012, 08:30:32 PM
OAKTOWN - In a preliminary earthquake report, the United States Geological Survey says a magnitude 3.1 earthquake occurred at about 6:54 pm Thursday.

USGS described the location of the event as about 2 miles south of Oaktown, Indiana, a community situated between Vincennes and Sullivan.

No injuries or damage has been reported


A "shift" very near the New Madrid fault line. . . Could this be the "forecast" creeping closer to reality?
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: me on May 10, 2012, 08:50:34 PM
 :spooked:
Quote from: Palehorse on May 10, 2012, 08:30:32 PM
OAKTOWN - In a preliminary earthquake report, the United States Geological Survey says a magnitude 3.1 earthquake occurred at about 6:54 pm Thursday.

USGS described the location of the event as about 2 miles south of Oaktown, Indiana, a community situated between Vincennes and Sullivan.

No injuries or damage has been reported


A "shift" very near the New Madrid fault line. . . Could this be the "forecast" creeping closer to reality?
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on May 17, 2012, 10:52:28 AM
A 4.3-magnitude earthquake rattled eastern Texas early Thursday.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Bo D on May 17, 2012, 10:58:31 AM
Quote from: Palehorse on May 17, 2012, 10:52:28 AM
A 4.3-magnitude earthquake rattled eastern Texas early Thursday.

Texas needs a little shaking up.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: followsthewolf on May 17, 2012, 11:05:31 AM
Texas needs a little lot of shaking up.

FIFY
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Bo D on May 17, 2012, 11:11:24 AM
Quote from: followsthewolf on May 17, 2012, 11:05:31 AM
Texas needs a little lot of shaking up.

FIFY

:biggrin: Thanks!
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: The Troll on May 17, 2012, 11:15:03 AM
Quote from: followsthewolf on May 17, 2012, 11:05:31 AM
Texas needs a little lot of shaking up.

FIFY

  Yes Sir, it might break up the drought down there in Rick Perry's god's country.   :biggrin:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on May 17, 2012, 11:43:42 AM
I'd agree that Texas needs shaking up. I just wish it would do so in Western Texas. . . This one struck a little to close to home for comfort. . .
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: me on May 18, 2012, 12:31:13 AM
Quote from: Palehorse on May 17, 2012, 11:43:42 AM
I'd agree that Texas needs shaking up. I just wish it would do so in Western Texas. . . This one struck a little to close to home for comfort. . .
I've got a grandson in Texas at the AFB and some friends in western Texas so Texas doesn't really need shook up. :no:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: followsthewolf on May 18, 2012, 08:40:23 AM
My brother lives in Dallas.

Relax.

It's a joke.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: me on May 18, 2012, 10:32:47 AM
Quote from: followsthewolf on May 18, 2012, 08:40:23 AM
My brother lives in Dallas.

Relax.

It's a joke.
Dallas is a joke?  I thought it was an old TV series. 
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: followsthewolf on May 18, 2012, 04:21:24 PM
Quote from: me on May 18, 2012, 10:32:47 AM
Dallas is a joke?  I thought it was an old TV series.

Both
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: damfast on May 18, 2012, 06:12:23 PM
i was in an earthquake once, long time ago.  seriously.  it was a really small one, but i was wrestling on the floor with my boys, and we missed the whole thing.  we went outside to find neighbors standing around, and found out that there had been an earthquake that made little stuff jumble around in the houses...i was so disappointed to have missed it that we drove down south of Cincinnati to a farm that advertised a "hole in the ground caused by the earthquake"  the hole was not impressive, it looked like an old well hole.  so i bought some green beans from the farmer for some weird reason. i can only attribute to the insanity in my head, i thought i didnt want to waste the trip.  so if i bought the beans, i would cover the loss of the unimpressive hole siting.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: me on May 18, 2012, 09:38:01 PM
 :biggrin:
Quote from: followsthewolf on May 18, 2012, 04:21:24 PM
Both
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on May 20, 2012, 05:09:37 PM
6.0 struck near Bologna, Italy today.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on May 29, 2012, 10:25:21 AM
At least 12 people were killed in a 5.8-magnitude earthquake in northern Italy. The second in 9 days to strike the country.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Locutus on May 29, 2012, 11:32:14 AM
Jeebus is coming!  ....er, uhhh..., or maybe it's just December 22, 2012 on the way.   :spooked:  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on May 29, 2012, 01:10:42 PM
Quote from: Locutus on May 29, 2012, 11:32:14 AM
Jeebus is coming!  ....er, uhhh..., or maybe it's just December 22, 2012 on the way.   :spooked:  :biggrin:

That whole Mayan end of world thing has now been disproven, since they found yet another calendar that demonstrates it is a perpetual one. . .  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on June 03, 2012, 10:55:03 PM
A 6.2-magnitude earthquake struck off the southern coast of Panama on Sunday, the U.S. Geological Survey said.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: The Troll on June 03, 2012, 11:22:53 PM
Quote from: damfast on May 18, 2012, 06:12:23 PM
i was in an earthquake once, long time ago.  seriously.  it was a really small one, but i was wrestling on the floor with my boys, and we missed the whole thing.  we went outside to find neighbors standing around, and found out that there had been an earthquake that made little stuff jumble around in the houses...i was so disappointed to have missed it that we drove down south of Cincinnati to a farm that advertised a "hole in the ground caused by the earthquake"  the hole was not impressive, it looked like an old well hole.  so i bought some green beans from the farmer for some weird reason. i can only attribute to the insanity in my head, i thought i didnt want to waste the trip.  so if i bought the beans, i would cover the loss of the unimpressive hole siting.

  Oh no, not a hole sting, set up to trap people.  :rotfl:  But fresh picked green beans, new potatoes and jowl bacon cut up in cubes and fried and all cooked together.  :eat:   :yes: :trustme:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on June 21, 2012, 01:00:02 AM
Scientists have raised an aviation alert level around a remote Alaskan volcano after a small eruption produced an ash cloud several miles high.

Cleveland Volcano, on the Aleutian Islands southwest of mainland Alaska, erupted briefly Tuesday afternoon, creating an ash cloud at an estimated height of 23,000 feet above sea level, said Steve McNutt, a volcano seismologist at the Alaska Volcano Observatory and the University of Alaska Fairbanks.

The observatory on Tuesday raised its color-coded alert for aviators to orange, the third most serious of four levels, and warned on its website that "additional sudden explosions of blocks and ash are possible with little or no warning."

No activity was detected Wednesday, but the alert remained at orange, the observatory said.

A more serious eruption, especially one that spews ash above 30,000 feet, could affect air travel. McNutt said the vast majority of air freight between Asia and North America and between Asia and Europe flies over Alaskan airspace. Also, passenger flights take about 20,000 passengers over Alaskan airspace daily, he said.

Tuesday's cloud appeared to dissipate after about two hours, McNutt said, citing satellite images.

The volcano makes up the western half of uninhabited Chuginadak Island, part of the Aleutian Island chain in the Bering Sea. It is about 45 miles west of Nikolski and 940 miles southwest of Anchorage.

The alert level has bounced between orange and the lower step, yellow, several times in the past year. The observatory last issued an orange alert in late March, when satellite images showed a lava dome had formed in the summit crater.

The volcano's most recent significant eruption happened in February 2001, with three explosions that led to ash clouds as high as 7.5 miles above sea level, according to the observatory. The volcano's elevation is 5,676 feet.

Last year, volcanic ash from Iceland's Grimsvotn Volcano forced the cancellation of hundreds of flights across Europe.

The Grimsvotn eruption came about 13 months after Iceland's Eyjafjallajokull Volcano put ash and smoke into the sky, forcing the cancellation of thousands of flights per day during the peak of the problem.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/20/alert-level-raised-for-alaska-volcano-after-small-eruption/?hpt=hp_t2 (http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/20/alert-level-raised-for-alaska-volcano-after-small-eruption/?hpt=hp_t2)
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on August 12, 2012, 07:51:44 PM
Iran hit by earthquakes (plural) killing 250 and possibly more.

The first earthquake, with a magnitude of 6.4, hit Saturday at 4:53 p.m. local time, 37 miles northeast of Tabriz, according to the U.S. Geological Survey, which measured 11 aftershocks. Just 11 minutes later, a second quake, measuring 6.3, struck 30 miles northeast of Tabriz.

A series of aftershocks followed, including one measuring 4.4 magnitude, according to the USGS.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on August 19, 2012, 04:05:08 PM
This one was pointed out to me by a friend (TYVM!) and I believe it serves to support  my prediction that a massive seismic event is just around the corner for the US. . .

. . .The Cascadia Subduction Zone, which sits off the coast of Oregon, was the site of the largest known earthquake to have ever struck the Lower 48 American states: a magnitude 9 megathrust in early 1700 that sent a tsunami crashing into the Pacific coast, and across the ocean to Japan.

Andy Revkin, whose post immediately after the Japan quake alerted me to the Cascadia earthquake threat, ran this note from Yumei Wang, an Oregon-based earthquake analyst and expert.

The average time between magnitude 8 and larger Cascadia earthquakes is about 240 years (see page 8, Cascadia earthquake timeline, based on Chris Goldfinger's data, Oregon State University). The last megaquake, estimated as a magnitude 9, occurred in 1700 — that's 311 years ago. In geologic terms, Cascadia is "9 months pregnant" and overdue.

Even though geologists identified 41 past Cascadia megaquakes, they cannot pinpoint exactly when the next Cascadia earthquake will strike. Nonetheless, engineers can design and build to withstand earthquake shaking. Now is the time to take preparations seriously, safeguard those in harm's way, and strengthen aging critical infrastructure.
.  .  .

Moreover, if this particular fault line is under such pressure then wat is the situation with the New Madrid fault line that is near and dear to the midwest??  :eek:

http://www.good.is/post/cascadia-the-west-coast-fault-line-that-is-nine-months-pregnant/ (http://www.good.is/post/cascadia-the-west-coast-fault-line-that-is-nine-months-pregnant/)
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on August 26, 2012, 07:49:48 PM
"A swarm" of several hundred earthquakes, the strongest measuring a 5.5 magnitude, were centered east of San Diego near California's border with Mexico on Sunday afternoon, seismologists said.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on September 03, 2012, 04:51:46 PM
An earthquake with a preliminary magnitude of 6.4 struck south of the Indonesian island of Java early Tuesday morning, the U.S. Geological Survey confirmed. The quake epicenter was 583 miles southeast of Jakarta, Indonesia.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on September 30, 2012, 09:41:05 AM
The initial earthquake measuring a preliminary magnitude of 3.4 struck at 11:05 p.m. CDT on Saturday and was centered about 2 miles north of the Dallas suburb of Irving, the US Geological Survey's national earthquake monitoring center in Golden, Colo., reported.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: The Troll on September 30, 2012, 10:09:10 AM
Quote from: Palehorse on September 30, 2012, 09:41:05 AM
The initial earthquake measuring a preliminary magnitude of 3.4 struck at 11:05 p.m. CDT on Saturday and was centered about 2 miles north of the Dallas suburb of Irving, the US Geological Survey's national earthquake monitoring center in Golden, Colo., reported.

  Yep, it just goes to show you that the earth is full of cracks.  :wink: :smile:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on October 16, 2012, 11:38:57 PM
[Update 8:55 p.m. ET] The U.S. Geological Survey revised its report of Tuesday's earthquake to magnitude 4.0, down from a preliminary magnitude of 4.6. The epicenter was pinpointed 4 miles west-southwest of Hollis Center, Maine, at a shallow depth of 4.2 miles.

Despite the downgrade, the quake was felt as far away as Boston, Massachusetts; Albany, New York, and even Waterbury, Connecticut, according to the USGS.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Locutus on October 23, 2012, 12:21:22 PM
Earthquake experts around the world say they are appalled by an Italian court's decision to convict six scientists on manslaughter charges for failing to predict the deadly quake that devastated the city of L'Aquila. They warned the ruling could severely harm future scientific research.

The court in L'Aquila sentenced the scientists and a government official Monday to six years in prison, ruling that they didn't accurately communicate the risk of the earthquake in 2009 that killed more than 300 people.

The trial centered on a meeting a week before the 6.3-magnitude quake struck. At the meeting, the experts determined that it was "unlikely" but not impossible that a major quake would take place, despite concern among the city's residents over recent seismic activity.


Full article from CNN here (http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/23/world/europe/italy-quake-scientists-guilty/index.html)

:eek:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Locutus on October 23, 2012, 12:25:23 PM
The Italian justice system seems a bit out of kilter.  They're convicting scientists for not predicting earthquakes.  The effects of this ruling on the scientific community in that country could be chilling. 
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: The Troll on October 23, 2012, 03:37:50 PM
Quote from: Locutus on October 23, 2012, 12:25:23 PM
The Italian justice system seems a bit out of kilter.  They're convicting scientists for not predicting earthquakes.  The effects of this ruling on the scientific community in that country could be chilling.

  I got the cure for this type of cluster fuck.  All scientists need to get out of any kind of predicting earthquakes.  That would take the possibility of any prosecution out any wrong prediction in Italy.  It sure would make their population safer.   :yes:  Their justice system is just as stupid as yours.   :yes: :doh:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on October 23, 2012, 07:25:33 PM
Quote from: Locutus on October 23, 2012, 12:25:23 PM
The Italian justice system seems a bit out of kilter.  They're convicting scientists for not predicting earthquakes.  The effects of this ruling on the scientific community in that country could be chilling.

Indeed, but not at all surprising to me.

My guess is they are trolling for revenue with which to replace that lost in the global economic depression!
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: The Troll on October 23, 2012, 08:07:00 PM
Quote from: Palehorse on October 23, 2012, 07:25:33 PM
Indeed, but not at all surprising to me.

My guess is they are trolling for revenue with which to replace that lost in the global economic depression!

  That's the same thing our cops do everyday, trolling for revenue.   :rant:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Locutus on October 23, 2012, 08:30:14 PM
Quote from: The Troll on October 23, 2012, 08:07:00 PM
  That's the same thing our cops do everyday, trolling for revenue.   :rant:

It doesn't even take cops to do that anymore.  Here in Florida, there are red-light cameras everywhere that do the same thing sans the payroll expense.  :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Y on October 23, 2012, 08:38:06 PM
I thought I recalled numerous court cases that were forcing the removal of the red light cam systems across the US?
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on October 23, 2012, 08:40:53 PM
Quote from: Y on October 23, 2012, 08:38:06 PM
I thought I recalled numerous court cases that were forcing the removal of the red light cam systems across the US?

My guess is that they quickly buried that at the bottom of the court dockets. They have them in Munice, Chicago, and several other cities I have visited recently.  :yes:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Y on October 23, 2012, 08:44:44 PM
Quote from: Locutus on October 23, 2012, 12:21:22 PM
Earthquake experts around the world say they are appalled by an Italian court's decision to convict six scientists on manslaughter charges for failing to predict the deadly quake that devastated the city of L'Aquila. They warned the ruling could severely harm future scientific research.

The court in L'Aquila sentenced the scientists and a government official Monday to six years in prison, ruling that they didn't accurately communicate the risk of the earthquake in 2009 that killed more than 300 people.

The trial centered on a meeting a week before the 6.3-magnitude quake struck. At the meeting, the experts determined that it was "unlikely" but not impossible that a major quake would take place, despite concern among the city's residents over recent seismic activity.


Full article from CNN here (http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/23/world/europe/italy-quake-scientists-guilty/index.html)

:eek:

That report doesn't give me all the information I'd like to know about the entire issue.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Locutus on October 23, 2012, 08:46:27 PM
Quote from: Y on October 23, 2012, 08:38:06 PM
I thought I recalled numerous court cases that were forcing the removal of the red light cam systems across the US?

Here in Florida, there have been numerous instances where individuals have successfully fought citations generated from the red light cameras, but none here in Florida have led to the actual removal of the red light cameras themselves. 
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Y on October 23, 2012, 08:47:50 PM
Quote from: Palehorse on October 23, 2012, 08:40:53 PM
My guess is that they quickly buried that at the bottom of the court dockets. They have them in Munice, Chicago, and several other cities I have visited recently.  :yes:

Quote from: Locutus on October 23, 2012, 08:46:27 PM
Here in Florida, there have been numerous instances where individuals have successfully fought citations generated from the red light cameras, but none here in Florida have led to the actual removal of the red light cameras themselves. 

I'm going to have to research that.  I think most of the cases had to do with driver identification versus the owner of the car who received the ticket and had to pay the fine.  The other cases had to do with signal and camera timing.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Locutus on October 23, 2012, 08:52:07 PM
Quote from: Y on October 23, 2012, 08:44:44 PM
That report doesn't give me all the information I'd like to know about the entire issue.

The article states that they were convicted because they "didn't adequately communicate risk."  That's bothersome to me because calculating earthquake risk is extremely difficult, especially if one wants to get into the specifics of exactly when one is going to occur.  For example, there is earthquake risk in the Pacific Northwest.  It's not a matter of if; it's a matter of when one is going to strike.  What legal burden (especially criminal liability) should a geologist or vulcanologist have when they don't (and can't) predict with any certainty exactly when an earthquake is going to occur, where its epicenter along a fault line may be, and how many people may be affected as a result?

While I agree that not all of of the details are likely included in that article, the overall concept just doesn't make much sense as presented in the article. 
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on October 23, 2012, 09:09:45 PM
Well the owners of the UZ don't have to worry about that. I've been predicting the burp of the New Madrid Fault line for a couple of years now!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Locutus on October 23, 2012, 09:15:28 PM
Quote from: Palehorse on October 23, 2012, 09:09:45 PM
Well the owners of the UZ don't have to worry about that. I've been predicting the burp of the New Madrid Fault line for a couple of years now!  :biggrin:

Well since you're into prognostications, how about this baby?   ;D 

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qbC-ylBMY3U/TZNDqvTVWbI/AAAAAAAAGuA/BCjpyrFSoMo/s1600/yellowstone-killzone.jpg)
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on October 23, 2012, 09:16:06 PM
Quote from: Palehorse on February 21, 2011, 10:52:29 PM
I'm thinking that ring of fire may be spreading in the next few years. There's an awful lot of activity in areas that rarely see any as well, and that tells me the plates are shifting a lot more. Just a matter of time before that fault down Evansville way gets enough pressure on it to "burp" and really shake things up in the mid section of this country. And that is going to get VERY ugly when it happens. . .

That bridge connecting Louisville to Indiana could be a casualty, as well as those bridges in Evansville! I'm talking Mothman II!

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/states/events/1811-1812.php (http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/states/events/1811-1812.php)

The above is a link to the last time the New Madrid fault burped. . .
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on October 23, 2012, 09:18:26 PM
Quote from: Locutus on October 23, 2012, 09:15:28 PM
Well since you're into prognostications, how about this baby?   ;D 

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qbC-ylBMY3U/TZNDqvTVWbI/AAAAAAAAGuA/BCjpyrFSoMo/s1600/yellowstone-killzone.jpg)

Yeah, yellowstone will kill yah but it is somewhat a lot more "expected" than the New Madrid is.

Those volcanoes start erupting in yellowstone though, it'll be lights out from there to points east. . .  :yes:

My thoughts are that when New Madrid starts burping then ol' Yaller will be next.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Locutus on October 23, 2012, 09:19:16 PM
For those unaware about my previous post, I was referring to the supervolcano that lies beneath Yellowstone National Park.  Those geysers are nice to look at, but what lies underneath is a behemoth. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowstone_Caldera

Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Locutus on October 23, 2012, 09:21:24 PM
Quote from: Palehorse on October 23, 2012, 09:18:26 PM
Yeah, yellowstone will kill yah but it is somewhat a lot more "expected" than the New Madrid is.

Those volcanoes start erupting in yellowstone though, it'll be lights out from there to points east. . .  :yes:

My thoughts are that when New Madrid starts burping then ol' Yaller will be next.

Quite possibly.  I wonder what percentage of visitors to Yellowstone, or residents that live within that circle of devastation, know that they're on top of a ticking time bomb. 
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Locutus on October 23, 2012, 09:28:05 PM
So many people don't understand where those geysers come from.  They just keep snapping away with their cameras completely unaware of what lies beneath. 

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/18/Yellowstone_Caldera.svg/1000px-Yellowstone_Caldera.svg.png)
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on October 23, 2012, 09:34:30 PM
Quote from: Locutus on October 23, 2012, 09:21:24 PM
Quite possibly.  I wonder what percentage of visitors to Yellowstone, or residents that live within that circle of devastation, know that they're on top of a ticking time bomb.

Oh indeed. I suspect many of them are ignorant of the potential for a geological event of historic magnitude taking place while they're out there. But me, I paid attention in Earth Science class in grammar school and asked a whole lot of questions. Geology interested me even back then, but not enough to obtain a formal education in the science. However thanks to the friends I have obtained along my life path, I do have a rather nice number of degreed geologists within my circle of friends; and I have and continue to pick their brains from time to time.

It's just a matter of time before these time bombs go off again, and predicting when is not an ability science has obtained as of yet. (Althought the masses seem to like to think so).  :spooked:

Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Locutus on October 23, 2012, 09:37:48 PM
Quote from: Palehorse on October 23, 2012, 09:34:30 PM

It's just a matter of time before these time bombs go off again, and predicting when is not an ability science has obtained as of yet. (Althought the masses seem to like to think so).  :spooked:



The Italian court system seems to think so too. 
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on October 23, 2012, 09:40:40 PM
Quote from: Locutus on October 23, 2012, 09:37:48 PM
The Italian court system seems to think so too.

Yeah. . . as long as thinking so presents an opportunity to bolster their revenue streams that is.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Y on October 23, 2012, 09:51:30 PM
Quote from: Locutus on October 23, 2012, 08:52:07 PM
The article states that they were convicted because they "didn't adequately communicate risk."  That's bothersome to me because calculating earthquake risk is extremely difficult, especially if one wants to get into the specifics of exactly when one is going to occur.  For example, there is earthquake risk in the Pacific Northwest.  It's not a matter of if; it's a matter of when one is going to strike.  What legal burden (especially criminal liability) should a geologist or vulcanologist have when they don't (and can't) predict with any certainty exactly when an earthquake is going to occur, where its epicenter along a fault line may be, and how many people may be affected as a result?

While I agree that not all of of the details are likely included in that article, the overall concept just doesn't make much sense as presented in the article.

I agree, but the devil is in the details.  I want to know the specifics of what the scientists did say and what they knew and how/why it wasn't communicated properly.  That's what appears the verdict was based on.  Without that information, I can't even begin to form an opinion as to whether the verdict is justified or not.  If the scientists worked for the government in the capacity of looking for threats and warning both the government and the populace, the law usually sees a duty/obligation which, if the scientists failed in the performance of that duty/obligation, would make them liable.  The issue is more complicated than it appears, and the article doesn't even begin to address the nuances of the situation.  In fact, to me, it appears to be written more as taking a position than an informative article.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Locutus on October 23, 2012, 09:55:46 PM
I'll have to look when I get a chance tomorrow, and see if there's more specific information available on the case.  I agree that it would be interesting to know more. 
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Y on October 23, 2012, 09:56:24 PM
The biggest worry to me about the New Madrid Fault is if it opens up the fault lines going north to the Great Lakes to the point that water shifts south across Indiana as previously in Indiana's geological history.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on October 23, 2012, 09:57:23 PM
Quote from: Y on October 23, 2012, 09:56:24 PM
The biggest worry to me about the New Madrid Fault is if it opens up the fault lines going north to the Great Lakes to the point that water shifts south across Indiana as previously in Indiana's geological history.

Exactly. Swampland. . .
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Y on October 23, 2012, 09:58:32 PM
Quote from: Locutus on October 23, 2012, 09:55:46 PM
I'll have to look when I get a chance tomorrow, and see if there's more specific information available on the case.  I agree that it would be interesting to know more.

:yes:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Y on October 23, 2012, 09:59:54 PM
Quote from: Palehorse on October 23, 2012, 09:57:23 PM
Exactly. Swampland. . .


Or a great flood.  :yes: 
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Locutus on October 23, 2012, 10:07:19 PM
A quick perusal indicates that all those sentenced were former members of Italy's so-called "Great Risks Commission" whose formal name is the Civil Protection Department.  The FAQ of their website is in English and is located at the link below.  Perhaps the devil is in the details and what their responsibilities are/were under Italian law. 

http://www.protezionecivile.gov.it/jcms/en/rischi.wp

An excerpt states:

For civil protection purposes, risk is the possibility that a natural or man-made phenomenon may cause damage to the population, inhabited and production areas and infrastructures in a given area in a certain period of time.
The concept of risk is linked not only to the capacity to calculate the probability that a hazardous event may occur, but also to the capacity of defining the damage caused. Risk and hazard are not the same thing: hazard is the calamity that may strike a certain area (the cause), the risk refers to its possible consequences, in other words the damage that may be expected (the effect).

For concrete assessment of a risk therefore, it is not enough to know the hazard, but it is also necessary to carefully estimate the exposed value, in other words the assets in the area that may be affected by an event.

Risk can therefore be expressed by the formula: R = H x V x E

H = Hazard: the probability that a phenomenon of a certain intensity occurs in a certain period of time, in a certain area.
V = Vulnerability: vulnerability of an element (people, building, infrastructures, businesses) is the potential for damage following vibration caused by an event of a certain intensity.
E = Exposure: or Exposed value: is the unit number (or "value") of each of the elements at risk in a given area, like human lives or inhabited areas.

Italy a geologically young country. This "youthfulness" derives from the particular dynamics of the country, at a high risk of natural calamities, from earthquakes to volcanic eruptions. In addition to natural phenomena there are also those caused by man, often linked to bad territory management.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Locutus on October 23, 2012, 10:08:36 PM
Quote from: Y on October 23, 2012, 09:56:24 PM
The biggest worry to me about the New Madrid Fault is if it opens up the fault lines going north to the Great Lakes to the point that water shifts south across Indiana as previously in Indiana's geological history.

Quote from: Palehorse on October 23, 2012, 09:57:23 PM
Exactly. Swampland. . .

Quote from: Y on October 23, 2012, 09:59:54 PM

Or a great flood.  :yes: 


:spooked: :spooked:

But how can that happen?  This was all intelligently designed.  :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Y on October 23, 2012, 10:15:33 PM
:rotfl:

I was talking to a Jehovah's Witness friend of mine the other day and he was trying to use that concept on me.

I explained to him that this wasn't 'designed' or 'created' for us - as in some god didn't create this specifically for our needs - but that we are a result of the earth as it evolved - as in we exist because we evolved to survive in these conditions.

There is a difference.

He also tried to use the eternal god concept on me and it was a hoot that he wouldn't accept the eternal universe concept.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: The Troll on October 24, 2012, 08:36:57 AM
Quote from: Y on October 23, 2012, 10:15:33 PM
:rotfl:

I was talking to a Jehovah's Witness friend of mine the other day and he was trying to use that concept on me.

I explained to him that this wasn't 'designed' or 'created' for us - as in some god didn't create this specifically for our needs - but that we are a result of the earth as it evolved - as in we exist because we evolved to survive in these conditions.

There is a difference.

He also tried to use the eternal god concept on me and it was a hoot that he wouldn't accept the eternal universe concept.


  I am a big fan of science shows.  I just love every show that is about the Universe, the Big Bang and everything about the Universe.  After watching all of this, I just can't believe how anyone can believe the Bible or that there is a God.  It just doesn't compute, just don't make common sense and the Religious nuts want to control America.  :azz:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Y on October 26, 2012, 01:21:35 AM
I have a bad habit of watching those shows too - they help round out my wunnerful personality.   :biggrin:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: The Troll on October 26, 2012, 07:45:40 PM
Quote from: Y on October 26, 2012, 01:21:35 AM
I have a bad habit of watching those shows too - they help round out my wunnerful personality.   :biggrin:

  With all of the earthquakes we have had from the beginning of the earth and the millions of people they have killed over the thousands of millenniums.  Maybe we should starting believing the religious zealots that we are in the end times.  :haha:  And put our legs over our shoulders and kiss our ass good bye.  :haha:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Henry Hawk on October 26, 2012, 08:12:16 PM
Quote from: Y on October 26, 2012, 01:21:35 AM
I have a bad habit of watching those shows too - they help round out my wunnerful personality.   :biggrin:

So THAT is the cause of it!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: The Troll on October 26, 2012, 10:37:13 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 26, 2012, 08:12:16 PM
So THAT is the cause of it!  :biggrin:

  What do you do to expand your mind Henry, watch the Fox Morning Show and Hannity.   :eek:  :turk:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Henry Hawk on October 27, 2012, 08:23:36 AM
Quote from: The Troll on October 26, 2012, 10:37:13 PM
  What do you do to expand your mind Henry, watch the Fox Morning Show and Hannity.   :eek:  :turk:

I TRY to stay away from this forum.......that is enough to contract one's mind............

Troll, I am so far ahead of you when it comes to leaning about what it REALLY going on.......You and the Huffington Post and MSNBC is about as far as you mind can go.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: The Troll on October 27, 2012, 09:13:06 AM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 27, 2012, 08:23:36 AM
I TRY to stay away from this forum.......that is enough to contract one's mind............

Troll, I am so far ahead of you when it comes to leaning about what it REALLY going on.......You and the Huffington Post and MSNBC is about as far as you mind can go.

  Yes, in the wind mills in your freaking mind.   You run :run: and run :run: searching for the values of the Republican Party.  And the harder you look and search :run:  you won't find it.  :yes:  For it, the Republican Party is the party of the devil. :devil29:  Just like a child of rape is a blessing from god for the rape victim.  The devil is hanging on your back already Henry.  :devil:  Looking for peace you won't find.  Run Henry :run: Run Henry, :run: :jc:   :haha:   Let us pray for the Hawk.  :pray:  :preach: :pope: :jc:


                           What a oxymoron thought.  A born again Christian being a Republican.  What would Jesus say?   Probably ---------------> :jc:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on October 28, 2012, 10:03:31 AM
A 7.7 earthquake in Canada!  :spooked:

The quake struck about 139 kilometers (86 miles) south of Masset on British Columbia's Queen Charlotte Islands. No major damage was reported.

It triggered a Tsunami warning for Hawaii that was lifted by 7 AM ET this morning!
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: The Troll on October 28, 2012, 01:35:36 PM
Quote from: Y on October 23, 2012, 09:56:24 PM
The biggest worry to me about the New Madrid Fault is if it opens up the fault lines going north to the Great Lakes to the point that water shifts south across Indiana as previously in Indiana's geological history.

  Do you think I should get some flood insurance.  :haha:  :haha:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on October 28, 2012, 09:19:03 PM
Scant news coverage of the Canadian EQ of 7.7; at least from what I have seen. More focus on the Tsunami that didn't happen. . . (Of course I've been watching football all day though). . . 
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Henry Hawk on October 28, 2012, 09:24:17 PM
Quote from: Palehorse on October 28, 2012, 09:19:03 PM
Scant news coverage of the Canadian EQ of 7.7; at least from what I have seen. More focus on the Tsunami that didn't happen. . . (Of course I've been watching football all day though). . . 

earth quakes in Canada is something we never hear much about.....at least I haven't.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on October 28, 2012, 09:26:03 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 28, 2012, 09:24:17 PM
earth quakes in Canada is something we never hear much about.....at least I haven't.
Granted the location of it was in what we here in the US would call "wilderness", the implications are somewhat scary for the north American continent. . .
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on October 28, 2012, 09:36:36 PM
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr111/hlovett_2008/230_55.gif)
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: The Troll on October 29, 2012, 07:54:42 AM
Quote from: Palehorse on October 28, 2012, 09:36:36 PM
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr111/hlovett_2008/230_55.gif)

  Yep, the Andreas Fault Line.  That is sure the shaky side of the country.  One of these days it's going to drop off and you will be able to buy a Rocky Mountain Pacific beach front home.   :biggrin:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on October 29, 2012, 08:14:36 AM
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr111/hlovett_2008/WallaceA.gif)

More like the Queen Charlotte fault line, just north of the San Andreas fault line.

But yeah, it indicates some pretty severe shifting taking place just north of there. . .  :spooked:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: The Troll on October 29, 2012, 08:22:35 AM
Quote from: Palehorse on October 29, 2012, 08:14:36 AM
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr111/hlovett_2008/WallaceA.gif)

More like the Queen Charlotte fault line, just north of the San Andreas fault line.

But yeah, it indicates some pretty severe shifting taking place just north of there. . .  :spooked:

  Same crack in the world, the Canadians just had to name it something else.    :wink:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on November 05, 2012, 02:54:14 PM
The magnitude-2.0 temblor struck at 1:19 a.m. and was centered two miles south-southeast of Ringwood, New Jersey, not far from the border with New York. The depth was 3.1 miles, according to the U.S. Geological Survey.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Henry Hawk on November 05, 2012, 03:37:51 PM
Quote from: Palehorse on November 05, 2012, 02:54:14 PM
The magnitude-2.0 temblor struck at 1:19 a.m. and was centered two miles south-southeast of Ringwood, New Jersey, not far from the border with New York. The depth was 3.1 miles, according to the U.S. Geological Survey.

Great!  That is ALL they need about right now...
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on November 06, 2012, 12:16:13 PM
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr111/hlovett_2008/23935_506053942749882_134046876_n.jpg)

This is a speculative map showing the possible results of the New Madrid fault line letting loose as it did 200 years ago. . .
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on November 06, 2012, 12:17:12 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 05, 2012, 03:37:51 PM
Great!  That is ALL they need about right now...

And now a Nor'easter is heading their way as I type this. . .
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Henry Hawk on November 06, 2012, 12:17:58 PM
Quote from: Palehorse on November 06, 2012, 12:17:12 PM
And now a Nor'easter is heading their way as I type this. . .

I just saw that!!!!
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on November 10, 2012, 12:38:21 PM
 USGS confirms a 4.3 magnitude #earthquake 8 miles west of Whitesburg, KY
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on November 10, 2012, 08:27:12 PM
Quote from: Palehorse on November 10, 2012, 12:38:21 PM
USGS confirms a 4.3 magnitude #earthquake 8 miles west of Whitesburg, KY

And this one, directly east of the New Madrid Fault line, has the folks in Kentucky worrying about the exact thing I've been posting about here for awhile now. . . What happens when the NMF line burps?

Today's event could actually be an indication of pressure building along that fault. . .  :spooked:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on November 10, 2012, 10:57:23 PM
A strong earthquake struck northern Myanmar on Sunday, causing residents to flee their homes, but no injuries or major damage were immediately reported.

The magnitude-6.6 temblor hit the area at 7:42 a.m., according to the U.S. Geological Survey. The quake had a depth of just 10 kilometers (6 miles) and hit 117 kilometers (72 miles) north of Mandalay, Myanmar's second-largest city.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Anne on November 11, 2012, 05:53:59 PM
Quote from: Palehorse on November 06, 2012, 12:16:13 PM
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr111/hlovett_2008/23935_506053942749882_134046876_n.jpg)

This is a speculative map showing the possible results of the New Madrid fault line letting loose as it did 200 years ago. . .

If the map is right, another reason to live in Indiana.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on November 21, 2012, 12:03:36 AM
Event Time

2012-11-20 23:28:22 UTC
2012-11-20 17:28:22 UTC-06:00 at epicenter
2012-11-20 18:28:22 UTC-05:00 system time
Location

38.452°N 87.891°W depth=17.0km (10.6mi)

Nearby Cities

10km (6mi) WNW of Mount Carmel, Illinois
39km (24mi) SW of Vincennes, Indiana
58km (36mi) NNW of Evansville, Indiana
65km (40mi) WSW of Washington, Indiana
208km (129mi) SW of Indianapolis, Indiana

3.6 EQ near Mount Carmel Illinois today. That would be the NM Fault shivering. . .  :eek:

MOUNT CARMEL, Ill. — A magnitude 3.6 earthquake rattled portions of the Tri-State Tuesday evening. Officials with the U.S. Geological Survey said the tremor hit at 5:28 p.m. and was centered approximately six miles west-northwest of Mount Carmel, Ill., or about 38 miles north-northwest of Evansville.

"It was like a big thunder," said Wabash County Sheriff Joe Keeling. "The best way I could describe it — is like it was a big empty coal truck rumbling past my house for about 30 seconds." Keeling says he received no reports of damage or injuries from the tremor. Illinois Emergency Management Agency spokeswoman Patti Thompson also said the state had no reports of any damage.

The quake was felt across Southern Illinois and into Southwestern Indiana. It is believed to have originated from the Wabash Valley seismic zone that runs through Southern Illinois and Indiana. Scientists say the Wabash Valley Zone is an extension of the New Madrid seismic zone. The tremor originated from an estimated depth of 10.6 miles within the earth, according to a report by the U.S. Geological Survey.
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http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/nov/20/36-earthquake-rattles-southeastern-illinois/ (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/nov/20/36-earthquake-rattles-southeastern-illinois/)
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Locutus on November 21, 2012, 12:11:52 AM
Quote from: Palehorse on November 21, 2012, 12:03:36 AM
Event Time

2012-11-20 23:28:22 UTC
2012-11-20 17:28:22 UTC-06:00 at epicenter
2012-11-20 18:28:22 UTC-05:00 system time
Location

38.452°N 87.891°W depth=17.0km (10.6mi)

Nearby Cities

10km (6mi) WNW of Mount Carmel, Illinois
39km (24mi) SW of Vincennes, Indiana
58km (36mi) NNW of Evansville, Indiana
65km (40mi) WSW of Washington, Indiana
208km (129mi) SW of Indianapolis, Indiana

3.6 EQ near Mount Carmel Illinois today. That would be the NM Fault shivering. . .  :eek:

MOUNT CARMEL, Ill. — A magnitude 3.6 earthquake rattled portions of the Tri-State Tuesday evening. Officials with the U.S. Geological Survey said the tremor hit at 5:28 p.m. and was centered approximately six miles west-northwest of Mount Carmel, Ill., or about 38 miles north-northwest of Evansville.

"It was like a big thunder," said Wabash County Sheriff Joe Keeling. "The best way I could describe it — is like it was a big empty coal truck rumbling past my house for about 30 seconds." Keeling says he received no reports of damage or injuries from the tremor. Illinois Emergency Management Agency spokeswoman Patti Thompson also said the state had no reports of any damage.

The quake was felt across Southern Illinois and into Southwestern Indiana. It is believed to have originated from the Wabash Valley seismic zone that runs through Southern Illinois and Indiana. Scientists say the Wabash Valley Zone is an extension of the New Madrid seismic zone. The tremor originated from an estimated depth of 10.6 miles within the earth, according to a report by the U.S. Geological Survey.
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Well if this map is correct ---------------V

Quote from: Palehorse on November 06, 2012, 12:16:13 PM
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr111/hlovett_2008/23935_506053942749882_134046876_n.jpg)

This is a speculative map showing the possible results of the New Madrid fault line letting loose as it did 200 years ago. . .

...... I should ask for some scuba gear for Christmas.  ;D
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on November 21, 2012, 12:22:44 AM
Quote from: Locutus on November 21, 2012, 12:11:52 AM

Well if this map is correct ---------------V

...... I should ask for some scuba gear for Christmas.  ;D

:biggrin:

It has been over 200 years since that NMFL let loose, and in 1811 it is estimated to have been in the 7.0+ range. . .

That fault line burped about 8 years back with a 5.3 or so. . .  :spooked:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Locutus on November 21, 2012, 12:25:21 AM
And may she continue to rest peacefully sans burping.  :yes:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on November 21, 2012, 12:31:24 AM
Quote from: Locutus on November 21, 2012, 12:25:21 AM
And may she continue to rest peacefully sans burping.  :yes:

With the way the earths crust has been shifting over the last year or two, I suspect the ol New Madrid is ready to stretch her legs a bit.

I know, I've been saying this for a couple of years now, but each day it doesn't happen is a day closer to the day it does. . .  :spooked:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Locutus on November 21, 2012, 12:34:36 AM
Well when it does, most of the people down my way appear destined to be underwater. 
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on November 21, 2012, 12:37:52 AM
Quote from: Locutus on November 21, 2012, 12:34:36 AM
Well when it does, most of the people down my way appear destined to be underwater.

Yeah, if that ends up being what transpires, even Cali and New Orleans will be joining Atlantis. . .  :eek:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: The Troll on November 21, 2012, 08:44:17 AM
Quote from: Palehorse on November 21, 2012, 12:37:52 AM
Yeah, if that ends up being what transpires, even Cali and New Orleans will be joining Atlantis. . .  :eek:

  What MAN needs to remember is.  We don't own a thing while we are alive.  We are just renting it and old Mother Nature doesn't care one thing about what man has planned.   :yes:

  Especially if man is helping for it to happen, like too much carbon dioxide.   :yes: :smile:
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on December 07, 2012, 12:26:34 PM
A powerful 7.3 earthquake struck off the northeast coast of Japan on Friday evening, rattling buildings in Tokyo and setting off a small tsunami.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Palehorse on December 24, 2012, 12:38:00 AM
Chilean authorities on Sunday issued a red alert -- the most severe in their warning system -- that the Copahue Volcano, high in the Andes mountains on the border with Argentina, might be poised for a significant eruption.
Title: Re: Earthquakes 2011
Post by: Locutus on December 25, 2012, 09:42:32 AM
Here's an interesting read on the Yellowstone Supervolcano:

Yellowstone National Park, Wyoming (CNN) -- It's hard not to stand in complete awe of everything the Earth has to offer when you're in the middle of Yellowstone National Park.

Its most famous geyser, Old Faithful, shoots up into the sky as crowds tilt their heads just to see how high it really can go. The saturated blues and greens of geothermal pools appear to be otherworldly.

Towering mountains wrap themselves around the park, providing shelter for wild animals to roam. But below the beauty of Yellowstone, is a volcano powerful enough devastate most of the United States and change the entire world.

"Yellowstone and other volcanoes around the world are called supervolcanoes and the reason is they're like a super sized drink. It means it's just big," says Hank Hessler, a geologist at Yellowstone in the U.S. state of Wyoming.

Supervolcano describes a geological phenomenon never witnessed by man. Supervolcanoes are off the charts big when comparing them to a normal volcanic eruption.

On May 18, 1980, Mount St. Helens in the northwest corner of the United States erupted. It killed 57 people and expelled one cubic kilometer of ash.

The first Yellowstone supervolcanic eruption 2.1 million years ago was at least 25,000 times larger than the Mount St. Helens eruption. Two other Yellowstone super eruptions 1.3 million and 640,000 years ago, though smaller than the first one, would still dwarf any normal volcanic eruption.

Few would expect the tranquil national park would actually be sitting on the mouth of a sleeping giant.

The physical characteristic of a supervolcano isn't a typical cone-shaped mountainous peak.

Instead, supervolcanoes have what are called calderas. These are vast sunken areas that are formed after previous super eruptions as the ground was blown out and fell back to rest.

Geophysicist Bob Smith first called Yellowstone a "living breathing caldera" in 1979. He now heads the Yellowstone Volcano Observatory at the University of Utah.

"Yellowstone has been very important. It's my laboratory," says Smith.

He sees Yellowstone as more than a supervolcano, in fact he doesn't even like that term. "I prefer to use the term hotspot because it reflects a zone of concentrated and active volcanism."

Hawaii and Iceland are other examples of hot spots, but Yellowstone is the only hot spot located underneath land rather than sea which has made it easier for Smith to study.

His team has setup a series of different sensors around the park so that they can keep a close eye on its vital signs. They measure ground movement and record the frequent earthquakes that occur in the area.

The sensors have also helped Smith's team figure out what they were dealing with. As little as eight kilometers below the surface is a shallow reservoir of solid rock and magma. And below the reservoir is an enormous 57,000-cubic-kilometer plume of very hot rock, the fuel behind every bubbling pool and geyser in Yellowstone.

With all of this heat just sitting, waiting beneath Yellowstone, what exactly would it look like if it were all to blow? Smith and other scientists all have scenarios and every one is bleak.

In Smith's book, "Windows into the Earth," he says, "Devastation would be complete and incomprehensible." Before the super eruption, large earthquakes would likely swarm the surrounding areas until the huge blast that would erase Yellowstone completely off the map.

After the initial eruption, clouds of gas and rock would burn everything in its path with temperatures reaching to hundreds of degrees Celsius. Ashfall would cover the western United States and also enter the jet stream with the potential to cripple air transportation and threaten the world's food supply.

There are some estimates that 87,000 people would die immediately.

You can imagine that with this kind of catastrophe on the line, the question Smith gets asked the most is, "When is going to blow next?"

The three Yellowstone super eruptions have occurred about 800,000 years apart, so people have started to speculate that another one is due.

Also, in 2004 Smith noticed that the ground had started to rise then lowered again in 2010. It was like the supervolcano was breathing.

However, Smith says there is absolutely no need to panic. "We create scenarios. We know roughly what to expect of the patterns of time and space of the earthquakes ground information. Again, acquired from other experiences around the world. We use that to interpret our own data in terms of what the potential threat or risk might be," says Smith.

For him, the more immediate threat is earthquakes and smaller eruptions since the probability of one of those instances occurring is much higher.

Whether that may be comforting or not, millions of visitors will still make their way each year to the geological wonderland that is Yellowstone National Park.


http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/30/us/wus-supervolcanoes-yellowstone/index.html