Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 15, 2010, 10:27:53 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=KTb6qdPu8JE (http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=KTb6qdPu8JE)
I'm not sure why I picked this spot to post this, but please take two minutes to watch....I should hav posted this last Thursday, but anytime is good for this one. :yes:
This is one of the reason I feel anger in my heart when I see the American flag, a god save our troops and god bless American on the Back of a Toyota and a Honda. What is wrong with Americans. The Japs didn't to anything for us but pain and death.
Quote from: The Troll on November 15, 2010, 12:23:05 PM
This is one of the reason I feel anger in my heart when I see the American flag, a god save our troops and god bless American on the Back of a Toyota and a Honda. What is wrong with Americans. The Japs didn't to anything for us but pain and death.
I suppose you would rather see our flag on the back of that Ford F-150 that was made in Mexico.
At least my Toyota truck was made in California. And the Camry I owned before that was made in Kentucky.
Quote from: The Troll on November 15, 2010, 12:23:05 PM
This is one of the reason I feel anger in my heart when I see the American flag, a god save our troops and god bless American on the Back of a Toyota and a Honda. What is wrong with Americans. The Japs didn't to anything for us but pain and death.
Try looking up the 100th Infantry Battalion/442nd Combat Regimental Team.
Count the medals.
Quote from: Olias on November 15, 2010, 01:21:57 PM
I suppose you would rather see our flag on the back of that Ford F-150 that was made in Mexico.
At least my Toyota truck was made in California. And the Camry I owned before that was made in Kentucky.
My F-250 was made in Kentucy. By Americans and all of the profit that Ford made on it stayed here in the United States of America.
Keep buy your Jap Crap and let all of that profit go the Japs, because the Japs love you. I don't think it's very American of you. :wall: :flap: :flap:
BUY AMERICAN AND HELP BUILD AMERICA! :flag: :4th2: :flag:
Quote from: followsthewolf on November 15, 2010, 02:07:10 PM
Try looking up the 100Th Infantry Battalion/442ND Combat Regimental Team.
Count the medals.
People who love Jap cars and trucks don't give a damn about how many of our men and women the Japs killed. All they care is about their own selfish selves. Don't give a damn about America, No matter what they say they really can't defend it. :yes:
Quote from: The Troll on November 15, 2010, 05:28:52 PM
People who love Jap cars and trucks don't give a damn about how many of our men and women the Japs killed. All they care is about their own selfish selves. Don't give a damn about America, No matter what they say they really can't defend it. :yes:
...It is important to recognize the contributions of the Japanese Americans who served in the U.S. Army's 100th Battalion and 442nd Combat Infantry group. History speaks for itself in documenting that none have shared their blood more valiantly for America than the Japanese Americans who served in these units while fighting enemy forces in Europe during World War II. The records of the 100th Battalion and 442nd Infantry are without equal. . .
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/army/100-442in.htm (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/army/100-442in.htm)
The 442nd Infantry, formerly the 442nd Regimental Combat Team of the United States Army, was an
Asian American unit composed of mostly Japanese Americans who fought in Europe during World War II.[1] The families of many of its soldiers were subject to internment. The 442nd was a self-sufficient fighting force, and fought with uncommon distinction in Italy, southern France, and Germany.
The unit became the most highly decorated regiment in the history of the United States Armed Forces, including 21 Medal of Honor recipients. The motto of the 442nd Regimental Combat Team was "Go for broke".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/442nd_Infantry_Regiment_(United_States) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/442nd_Infantry_Regiment_(United_States))
Think before you throw racial slurs about as if they are meaningless. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on November 15, 2010, 05:33:33 PM
...It is important to recognize the contributions of the Japanese Americans who served in the U.S. Army's 100th Battalion and 442nd Combat Infantry group. History speaks for itself in documenting that none have shared their blood more valiantly for America than the Japanese Americans who served in these units while fighting enemy forces in Europe during World War II. The records of the 100th Battalion and 442nd Infantry are without equal. . .
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/army/100-442in.htm (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/army/100-442in.htm)
The 442nd Infantry, formerly the 442nd Regimental Combat Team of the United States Army, was an Asian American unit composed of mostly Japanese Americans who fought in Europe during World War II.[1] The families of many of its soldiers were subject to internment. The 442nd was a self-sufficient fighting force, and fought with uncommon distinction in Italy, southern France, and Germany. The unit became the most highly decorated regiment in the history of the United States Armed Forces, including 21 Medal of Honor recipients. The motto of the 442nd Regimental Combat Team was "Go for broke".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/442nd_Infantry_Regiment_(United_States) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/442nd_Infantry_Regiment_(United_States))
Think before you throw racial slurs about as if they are meaningless. . .
I think you should drop the Japanese off of Japanese American. They were Americans. I can't help how they were treated by Americans who were scared to death of the yellow devils. If you remember the yellow bastards sneaked in and bomb and kill our people in Pearl Harbor.
You need to read some books on how the Japs treated our fly boys in World War II when they captured them and tortured them and mutilated them and starved them to death. I have went through several of these books this year, if you want a reading list. I can't see how America has been better off dealing with them in the last 40 years. I sure as hell can't see buying their damn cars. Have you ever heard of our foreign deficit. A little large, isn't it?
Quote from: The Troll on November 15, 2010, 09:51:55 PM
I think you should drop the Japanese off of Japanese American. They were Americans. I can't help how they were treated by Americans who were scared to death of the yellow devils. If you remember the yellow bastards sneaked in and bomb and kill our people in Pearl Harbor.
I agree on dropping the Japanese from the phrase, however doing so will have zero impact upon the discriminatory practices of this country and all those "scared Americans" who continue to endorse its practice. One need only look at the way some in this country are willing to risk treating Mexicans who are also Americans; by choice no less.
The fact that men and women of Japanese decent laid it all on the line for this country, while their families back home were put into internment camps is infuriating to me, and it should be for all Americans. One would think that it would prevent the repeating of such crap, but it doesn't and it won't!
Quote from: The Troll on November 15, 2010, 09:51:55 PM
You need to read some books on how the Japs treated our fly boys in World War II when they captured them and tortured them and mutilated them and starved them to death. I have went through several of these books this year, if you want a reading list. I can't see how America has been better off dealing with them in the last 40 years. I sure as hell can't see buying their damn cars. Have you ever heard of our foreign deficit. A little large, isn't it?
I don't need to read any books to understand what a foreign country did to our nation in WWII, I have had plenty of first hand lessons from those that were there and endured it themselves. (A lot of them dead now though). As well as to understand what America did to Americans who happened to be citizens of Japanese decent. . .
You single out Toyota but the fact remains many of that companies US market vehicles are manufactured in the US by Americans, including the sub assemblies that go into the finished products. A larger percentage of Toyotas bought in the US directly support US labor and businesses than do American products in the same market. So basically what you are saying when you single them out is, that you don't care how many millions of Americans in the USA would be put out of work if they were forced to move their operations back to Japan from the US.
While I certainly can understand your sentiments and the reasons for them, they are indicative of stagnant thinking and a failure to adjust those sentiments to present day conditions. When Toyotas were being made in Japan and any other country other than the uS, that approach probably made a lot of sense; but it doesn't today.
I thought I mentioned Honda to. I used those two just to make it easy to talk about imports. I want all of the foreign cars brought in on a even plain with ours. Korea who brings in almost million cars and we can't sent in any because of the 400% tariff.
Obama tried to get a new treaty with Korea last week but was rebuffed. Hell, tax their damn cars 400% and they won't take our beef. Germany who give their car makers a discount when they send over here.
Hell, we can't compete with $5 minimum wage in Mexico and 20 cents a hour in other foreign counties. If we don't put our people back to work, IT'S ALL OVER FOR AMERICA. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
Quote from: The Troll on November 16, 2010, 08:30:16 AM
Hell, we can't compete with $5 minimum wage in Mexico and 20 cents a hour in other foreign counties. If we don't put our people back to work, IT'S ALL OVER FOR AMERICA. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
The days of putting americans back to work at $85 per (with benefits) are gone. We got to find a realistic median. Honda, I know pays around $20 an hour, they have a very good Health Care, paid vacations, overtime is usually an option. Senoriety levels increase this, but excellent work is rewarded also. I think there are millions of folks who would jump at this opportunity.
Mitch Daniels is over Japan right now trying to strike a deal to bring MORE of these japanese jobs to Indiana.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 16, 2010, 09:19:33 AM
The days of putting americans back to work at $85 per (with benefits) are gone. We got to find a realistic median. Honda, I know pays around $20 an hour, they have a very good Health Care, paid vacations, overtime is usually an option. Senoriety levels increase this, but excellent work is rewarded also. I think there are millions of folks who would jump at this opportunity.
Mitch Daniels is over Japan right now trying to strike a deal to bring MORE of these japanese jobs to Indiana.
Thank you for your input Henry. Old scabby low wage Hawk. I know that you would jump at one of those jobs At Honda. I am also glad your up on how Honda works and all of their benefits.
It's really nice for someone who of higher education thinks it is alright to work Americans for foreign wages. I mentioned that Mexico minimum wage was $5, but that $5 a day not an hour.
Henry with you line of thinking, cut wages, cut taxes, quit spending is sure the road to success and the American dream. Let corporations and the super rich have it all is what you want for America. Well, Henry I"M NOT ONE OF THEM.
And where did you get that $85 an hour. Working skilled trades the most money an hour I made just before I retired was $20.50 an hour. You come with these wages out of your ass, where you come with most of your ideas. Out of your ass.
Don't forget to add the benefits and paid vacations and all that into the pr hour wage Troll.
Quote from: The Troll on November 16, 2010, 12:07:59 PM
Thank you for your input Henry. Old scabby low wage Hawk. I know that you would jump at one of those jobs At Honda. I am also glad your up on how Honda works and all of their benefits.
It's really nice for someone who of higher education thinks it is alright to work Americans for foreign wages. I mentioned that Mexico minimum wage was $5, but that $5 a day not an hour.
Henry with you line of thinking, cut wages, cut taxes, quit spending is sure the road to success and the American dream. Let corporations and the super rich have it all is what you want for America. Well, Henry I"M NOT ONE OF THEM.
And where did you get that $85 an hour. Working skilled trades the most money an hour I made just before I retired was $20.50 an hour. You come with these wages out of your ass, where you come with most of your ideas. Out of your ass.
Quote from: The Troll on November 16, 2010, 12:07:59 PM
Thank you for your input Henry. Old scabby low wage Hawk. I know that you would jump at one of those jobs At Honda. I am also glad your up on how Honda works and all of their benefits.
It's really nice for someone who of higher education thinks it is alright to work Americans for foreign wages. I mentioned that Mexico minimum wage was $5, but that $5 a day not an hour.
Henry with you line of thinking, cut wages, cut taxes, quit spending is sure the road to success and the American dream. Let corporations and the super rich have it all is what you want for America. Well, Henry I"M NOT ONE OF THEM.
And where did you get that $85 an hour. Working skilled trades the most money an hour I made just before I retired was $20.50 an hour. You come with these wages out of your ass, where you come with most of your ideas. Out of your ass.
Not too hard to find, just google it...
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/27/sunday/main5344652.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/27/sunday/main5344652.shtml)
Ford's labor costs were $70-80 an hour per worker for combined wages, benefits, and retirement costs Here is one that is more like $73 per hour compared to Toyota's $48 per hourhttp://www.npr.org/news/specials/gmvstoyota/ (http://www.npr.org/news/specials/gmvstoyota/)
Average Labor Cost per U.S. Hourly Worker
Source: GM & Toyota GM: $73.73 Toyota: $48
Troll, if you add on your TRUE labor costs, you would be surprised how much YOU cost FORD...figure in ALL of your perks.... ;)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 16, 2010, 01:45:15 PM
Not too hard to find, just google it...
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/27/sunday/main5344652.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/27/sunday/main5344652.shtml)
Ford's labor costs were $70-80 an hour per worker for combined wages, benefits, and retirement costs
Here is one that is more like $73 per hour compared to Toyota's $48 per hour
http://www.npr.org/news/specials/gmvstoyota/ (http://www.npr.org/news/specials/gmvstoyota/)
Average Labor Cost per U.S. Hourly Worker Source: GM & Toyota GM: $73.73 Toyota: $48
Troll, if you add on your TRUE labor costs, you would be surprised how much YOU cost FORD...figure in ALL of your perks.... ;)
I know I was making only $40.50 thirteen years ago and I sure didn't cost them much in Insurance. I was never sick. Back then Ford and all of the American auto companies were living large. Ford was buying all of those foreign car companies and living large. In the copy you presented is said the cost to Ford now was $50 an hour compared to Toyota's $48.
Times have change for the worse and the Republicans caused it. Just like in the 30's. Good Old Hoover and the GOP.
Quote from: The Troll on November 16, 2010, 03:20:12 PM
In the copy you presented is said the cost to Ford now was $50 an hour compared to Toyota's $48.
No, it clearly says...
The average labor cost per U.S. hourly worker: GM $73.73 vs. Toyoto $48
it also says: Healthcare costs per vehicle in 2004: GM $1525 vs. Toyoto $201
Production Time per Vehicle: GM 34.3 hours vs. Toyota 27.9 hours
Profitability per Vehicle: GM loses $2,331 per vehicle vs. Toyota makes $1,488 per vehicle
http://www.npr.org/news/specials/gmvstoyota/ (http://www.npr.org/news/specials/gmvstoyota/)
THEY are making a profit and do not require a government bailout....maybe we need to follow suit!...
;)
I want to say I made a typo mistake. The most money I have ever made was $20.50 an hour.
I liked the little slam about how much I cost Ford. Henry how about your little ass and your dad and uncle who worked for GM. Ford and GM contracts were the same. You sure lived pretty good on those evil union pay checks. What a dick and a college education too. Poor little Henry Hawk. :cry: :cry: :cry: Boo Hoo :cry: and he worries about someone getting something he doesn't get. Boo Hooo :cry: :cry:
Quote from: The Troll on November 16, 2010, 04:56:22 PM
I want to say I made a typo mistake. The most money I have ever made was $20.50 an hour.
I liked the little slam about how much I cost Ford. Henry how about your little ass and your dad and uncle who worked for GM. Ford and GM contracts were the same. You sure lived pretty good on those evil union pay checks. What a dick and a college education too. Poor little Henry Hawk. :cry: :cry: :cry: Boo Hoo :cry: and he worries about someone getting something he doesn't get. Boo Hooo :cry: :cry:
Troll, you again are quite wrong, I am 100% content and happy with my life. I, in no way shape of form, worried about getting what others got. I did not slam you troll. I am happy you was able to reap the rewards from your job. As I was/am happy that my father was able to provide me a great childhood, and he has a fantastic retirement.....But, YOU need to quit boo f'ing hooing because those jobs are not there for your kids...it was YOUR UAW's greed that forced Ford and GM to look else where to build a car that they can compete with and STILL make a profit.
it is THAT 'f'ing simple Troll.....
Well, I happy for your dad, and my father who retired from GM. I am happy for all of the GM people who retired in Anderson and the surrounding area who worked for GM. But what I am sad about is every day I read the obituary in the THB is all of the people dieing from GM. That is one large chunk out of the economy each time one of them dies and there no one to replace them. No one. :'(
Quote from: The Troll on November 16, 2010, 06:52:42 PM
Well, I happy for your dad, and my father who retired from GM. I am happy for all of the GM people who retired in Anderson and the surrounding area who worked for GM. But what I am sad about is every day I read the obituary in the THB is all of the people dieing from GM. That is one large chunk out of the economy each time one of them dies and there no one to replace them. No one. :'(
First of all, I too, am sad to see anyone pass away, GM or no GM employee, I'm not understanding how you think one chunk is going to be out of the economy? How is our economy going to be better if we replace one retiree with another?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 16, 2010, 07:58:10 PM
First of all, I too, am sad to see anyone pass away, GM or no GM employee, I'm not understanding how you think one chunk is going to be out of the economy? How is our economy going to be better if we replace one retiree with another?
That's the problem Dummy, there isn't going to the pensions like GM had. Each GM retire had a pension averaging from $1,200 to $2,800 per month plus their Social Security. All of that money was spent in Anderson and now it will be gone and I suppose you think that not much money. Huh? :wall: Only 5 to 8 GM retires die a week, figure the money up Champ. $$$$$$$$$ over a million $.
You Republicans have such away with words you more or less said that I had no compassion for the other people that had passed away, no so. I was talking about the other deceased people. Are you going to have a pension equal to your dad in today's dollars, NO. That's why you hate unions. That's why you don't want anyone else to have a union. Just Republican greed. :sneaky:
In one of your post you said that people would jump for those $20 an hour jobs at Honda. The Republicans that cause this bad economy. It seem like over 1,500 people jumped for the $8 to $10 an hour jobs at Nestle's in Anderson. God love those high wages. You can have a wife, a kid or two, own a nice house, a nice car and enjoy fine Florida vacations. Just like you :chick:
You want to work for Nestle's as an hourly worker? :chick:
Quote from: The Troll on November 17, 2010, 10:51:57 AM
That's the problem Dummy, there isn't going to the pensions like GM had. Each GM retire had a pension averaging from $1,200 to $2,800 per month plus their Social Security. All of that money was spent in Anderson and now it will be gone and I suppose you think that not much money. Huh? :wall: Only 5 to 8 GM retires die a week, figure the money up Champ. $$$$$$$$$ over a million $.
You Republicans have such away with words you more or less said that I had no compassion for the other people that had passed away, no so. I was talking about the other deceased people. Are you going to have a pension equal to your dad in today's dollars, NO. That's why you hate unions. That's why you don't want anyone else to have a union. Just Republican greed. :sneaky:
In one of your post you said that people would jump for those $20 an hour jobs at Honda. The Republicans that cause this bad economy. It seem like over 1,500 people jumped for the $8 to $10 an hour jobs at Nestle's in Anderson. God love those high wages. You can have a wife, a kid or two, own a nice house, a nice car and enjoy fine Florida vacations. Just like you :chick:
You want to work for Nestle's as an hourly worker? :chick:
First of all, that pension those guys are getting is not being paid by GM, it is being paid by the tax payer.....remember the billion $$ bailout several months ago?...well, THAT is where most of that money is going....and secondly I would LOVE to have that kind of pension & benefits, but the real world doesn't work that way. I am building my own retirement. I do not have ANY grudge against YOU or my Dad or anyone who is getting it....I do get tired of you guys bitching and whining about the cost of healthcare...you have NO idea what it is like to not have that golden goose insurance you guys have....those of us in the real world, have to pay through the nose, and we don't run off to the doc everytime we get a fart stuck, and get our teeth cleaned every 6 months. Seriously, you don't have a clue. (how does it feel to have some else put words in your mouth... :rolleyes: )
as far as working for Nestles, I would in a heartbeat, if I had no other choice. But I did have a choice, I decided to work hard, and train myself, put in my blood, sweat and tears for twenty years, before I got to where I am now. I am STILL working hard. I do not belittle anyone working at Nestles, I know of one guy who I went to church with, works there and loves it. He now has a great medical plant, and works steady hours and brings home a steady paycheck.
Ummm. . . Troll. You got the compensation range wrong for actual Nestle employees. It is actually much higher than what you quoted. Now, that is not to say there aren't some folks working at that "location" making the pay you expressed; but those folks work for a sub contractor at the Nestle facility and not for Nestle itself. . .
Nestle is a tops shelf employer in Madison county thanks to GM abandoning ship years ago. I have some "issues" with their hiring process but it is after all their sandbox so they can make the rules. I am not going to knock an employer that provides a good living wage to residents of Madison county who so desperately need it. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on November 17, 2010, 11:11:09 AM
Ummm. . . Troll. You got the compensation range wrong for actual Nestle employees. It is actually much higher than what you quoted. Now, that is not to say there aren't some folks working at that "location" making the pay you expressed; but those folks work for a sub contractor at the Nestle facility and not for Nestle itself. . .
Nestle is a tops shelf employer in Madison county thanks to GM abandoning ship years ago. I have some "issues" with their hiring process but it is after all their sandbox so they can make the rules. I am not going to knock an employer that provides a good living wage to residents of Madison county who so desperately need it. . .
I don't know about all of the wages of all of the employees. But the ones I'm talking about is the ones that the Herald Bulletin said was the 300 that would be paid starting at $8 to $10 per hour. Over 1,500 people show up for a job.
The government money Henry says is payed to the GM employees comes from a fund that all companies paid into. They are not tax payer funds yet.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 17, 2010, 11:10:03 AM
First of all, that pension those guys are getting is not being paid by GM, it is being paid by the tax payer.....remember the billion $$ bailout several months ago?...well, THAT is where most of that money is going....and secondly I would LOVE to have that kind of pension & benefits, but the real world doesn't work that way. I am building my own retirement. I do not have ANY grudge against YOU or my Dad or anyone who is getting it....I do get tired of you guys bitching and whining about the cost of healthcare...you have NO idea what it is like to not have that golden goose insurance you guys have....those of us in the real world, have to pay through the nose, and we don't run off to the doc everytime we get a fart stuck, and get our teeth cleaned every 6 months. Seriously, you don't have a clue. (how does it feel to have some else put words in your mouth... :rolleyes: )
as far as working for Nestles, I would in a heartbeat, if I had no other choice. But I did have a choice, I decided to work hard, and train myself, put in my blood, sweat and tears for twenty years, before I got to where I am now. I am STILL working hard. I do not belittle anyone working at Nestles, I know of one guy who I went to church with, works there and loves it. He now has a great medical plant, and works steady hours and brings home a steady paycheck.
Henry, I usually don't disagree with you but actually GM, the old GM, is paying the pensions of current retirees, the pension plan was about 96% funded and was not allowed into the bankrupcy. I am not saying that it won't eventually be turned over to the government but it is not at this time.
Quote from: Anne on November 17, 2010, 05:08:05 PM
Henry, I usually don't disagree with you but actually GM, the old GM, is paying the pensions of current retirees, the pension plan was about 96% funded and was not allowed into the bankrupcy. I am not saying that it won't eventually be turned over to the government but it is not at this time.
Then let me rephrase this, GM was on the verge of bankrupcy....and yet, they had money for pensions, but not money to pay the bills....IF, they did not get bailed out by the government, and they went bankrupt is it fair to say that, the retiree's has no stake in the company?
You are probably right, because common sense no longer means anything anymore.....
You mean that they should pay the bills instead of honoring the debts incurred to workers over 30 or 40 years in retirement promises?
That IS a "bill" they owe.
You don't see it that way?
Quote from: followsthewolf on November 17, 2010, 06:41:16 PM
You mean that they should pay the bills instead of honoring the debts incurred to workers over 30 or 40 years in retirement promises?
That IS a "bill" they owe.
You don't see it that way?
That's his exact feelings, to hell with the common hourly workers. Hell, their only union workers, fire them all they don't deserve a damn thing. This is what pisses me off at Henry. He doesn't give a damn about people, only himself. You can read that through all of his past post. They don't deserve Social Security, Medicare, Medicade, unions, health care, but the super rich and the corporations give them everything. And he claims to be a Christian, what would Jesus say?
Quote from: Palehorse on November 17, 2010, 11:11:09 AM
Ummm. . . Troll. You got the compensation range wrong for actual Nestle employees. It is actually much higher than what you quoted. Now, that is not to say there aren't some folks working at that "location" making the pay you expressed; but those folks work for a sub contractor at the Nestle facility and not for Nestle itself. . .
Nestle is a tops shelf employer in Madison county thanks to GM abandoning ship years ago. I have some "issues" with their hiring process but it is after all their sandbox so they can make the rules. I am not going to knock an employer that provides a good living wage to residents of Madison county who so desperately need it. . .
More on Nestle's pay scale. I seen some pictures of the insides of Nestle's and all of that stainless steel pipe and stainless steel tanks, steam lines, boilers and hot water lines and tubing. I would imagine that the pipefitters, the certified welders, insulators and the millwrights that put it together and maintain it make a little more than $10 per hour.
Quote from: The Troll on November 17, 2010, 06:54:33 PM
That's his exact feelings, to hell with the common hourly workers. Hell, their only union workers, fire them all they don't deserve a damn thing. This is what pisses me off at Henry. He doesn't give a damn about people, only himself. You can read that through all of his past post. They don't deserve Social Security, Medicare, Medicade, unions, health care, but the super rich and the corporations give them everything. And he claims to be a Christian, what would Jesus say?
I want to ask this question to all zoners, do YOU see me as the Troll has describes?
I want honest answers...
Troll you are on some real drugs, PROVE to me where I don't give a damn about people.....do it and do it now!
Just because I think the UAW ruined Anderson and every auto city in America, I have NO problem with those who worked for them, except for the ones who took advantage of there work privileges...
I'm sick and tired of you blowing your mouth about me, without getting your facts straight....
ftw, the whole thing that bothers me is, GM and the UAW made a promise they can't keep....so, is it MY fault? Should the taxpayers have to bailout everyones problems.....they have extremely excellent benefits, maybe, just maybe they could take a slight cut, and live like the rest of the senior citizens across this country....it is not the first time a promise has been broken....if you haven't notice folks, we are near a depression, we ALL have to suck it in some....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 17, 2010, 07:07:05 PM
I want to ask this question to all zoners, do YOU see me as the Troll has describes?
I want honest answers...
Troll you are on some real drugs, PROVE to me where I don't give a damn about people.....do it and do it now!
Just because I think the UAW ruined Anderson and every auto city in America, I have NO problem with those who worked for them, except for the ones who took advantage of there work privileges...
I'm sick and tired of you blowing your mouth about me, without getting your facts straight....
ftw, the whole thing that bothers me is, GM and the UAW made a promise they can't keep....so, is it MY fault? Should the taxpayers have to bailout everyones problems.....they have extremely excellent benefits, maybe, just maybe they could take a slight cut, and live like the rest of the senior citizens across this country....it is not the first time a promise has been broken....if you haven't notice folks, we are near a depression, we ALL have to suck it in some....
I don't know how the rest of the people feel about you, but what I said is true. Just read your past posts.
About GM, the government is going to get it's money back and with interest.
And about taking a cut in my retire pay. Why don't you take a pay cut and so you'll know what the people in other countries make in pay. I earn every dollar of my retirement pay for the 38 years I spent at Ford making it of of the best car companies in the world.
If you had a poor and bad life, maybe I could see how you feel about other people in the world and this country. But you never work a real hard, dirty, filty, hot, oily, high in the steel job in your whole life. Hell you might break a nail with the ice cream scoop or the malt mixing machine. And the jerk is from all of the ice cream sodas you jerked.
Quote from: The Troll on November 17, 2010, 07:04:19 PM
More on Nestle's pay scale. I seen some pictures of the insides of Nestle's and all of that stainless steel pipe and stainless steel tanks, steam lines, boilers and hot water lines and tubing. I would imagine that the pipefitters, the certified welders, insulators and the millwrights that put it together and maintain it make a little more than $10 per hour.
I know that one thing we skilled trades in the auto business never ever made what the outside union people made. So I have no idea what Nestle's pays them. I know that you have to be a state certified to do any welding on boilers and those boys make real big money. You sure don't want a weld to give on a boiler. We replace a line on a boiler. We did all of the repairs and installation, but Ford had to bring in a state certified welder to make the tie in weld on the 8 inch heavy duty steel steam line to the boiler.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 17, 2010, 06:07:24 PM
Then let me rephrase this, GM was on the verge of bankrupcy....and yet, they had money for pensions, but not money to pay the bills....IF, they did not get bailed out by the government, and they went bankrupt is it fair to say that, the retiree's has no stake in the company?
You are probably right, because common sense no longer means anything anymore.....
The way it was explained to me was that pension funds, not just GM, are "protected" and separate from ordinary operating expenses. When GM went into bankrupcy and the hourly pension fund was well funded they could not include that in the bankrupcy, I suppose if it had been only at 40% or something like that it would have been included and switched over to the government because GM pays into that program. That is what happened to salaried Delphi employees, their pension fund was poorly funded.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 17, 2010, 07:07:05 PM
I want to ask this question to all zoners, do YOU see me as the Troll has describes?
I want honest answers...
Troll you are on some real drugs, PROVE to me where I don't give a damn about people.....do it and do it now!
Just because I think the UAW ruined Anderson and every auto city in America, I have NO problem with those who worked for them, except for the ones who took advantage of there work privileges...
I'm sick and tired of you blowing your mouth about me, without getting your facts straight....
ftw, the whole thing that bothers me is, GM and the UAW made a promise they can't keep....so, is it MY fault? Should the taxpayers have to bailout everyones problems.....they have extremely excellent benefits, maybe, just maybe they could take a slight cut, and live like the rest of the senior citizens across this country....it is not the first time a promise has been broken....if you haven't notice folks, we are near a depression, we ALL have to suck it in some....
I don't think you are uncaring about other people. What cuts do you think the GM retirees should take? In their benefits or in their pension? The major benefit hourly retirees get, imo, is their health care, and GM no longer has that. It was passed off to the union (Medical Benefits Trust) in the last contract. When you turn 65 you lose that coverage as your primary coverage and need to go on Medicare part B. Then it BC/BS pays little or nothing. GM cut out eye and dental coverage for retirees last year and that pretty much leaves the legal consulations you can get.
Quote from: The Troll on November 17, 2010, 07:45:15 PM
I don't know how the rest of the people feel about you, but what I said is true. Just read your past posts.
About GM, the government is going to get it's money back and with interest.
And about taking a cut in my retire pay. Why don't you take a pay cut and so you'll know what the people in other countries make in pay. I earn every dollar of my retirement pay for the 38 years I spent at Ford making it of of the best car companies in the world.
If you had a poor and bad life, maybe I could see how you feel about other people in the world and this country. But you never work a real hard, dirty, filty, hot, oily, high in the steel job in your whole life. Hell you might break a nail with the ice cream scoop or the malt mixing machine. And the jerk is from all of the ice cream sodas you jerked.
again you talk right out of your ass........I have worked in lumbar yards, done construction, hardware stores, a painter, I have worked three jobs, while raising two kids....don't give me that crap which you know nothing about....if you was build such a great car, WHY did they leave troll, WHY did they leave?...because YOU buddies down at Union, SCREWED the POOCH!!!......you will NEVER, EVER convince me any different.....THAT is a freakin FACT!!!!!......cry me a river pal, but YOU reaped the benefits, and the rest of the county got shit!!!....BECAUSE of the U.....A.....W!!!! the United Auto Workers....period.
I don't give a crap if you like me or not.....facts are facts.....(http://theunknownzone.us/smf/file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/COMPAQ%7E1/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot.png)(http://theunknownzone.us/smf/file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/COMPAQ%7E1/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot-1.png)
and you honestly think GM is going to pay back the loan, with interest? paleeze, they have to figure out a way to make a profit first....and until they get the UAW to start being more realistic.....they ain't gonna make enough money to pay the interest.(http://theunknownzone.us/smf/file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/COMPAQ%7E1/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot-2.png)
Quote from: Anne on November 17, 2010, 10:42:27 PM
The way it was explained to me was that pension funds, not just GM, are "protected" and separate from ordinary operating expenses. When GM went into bankrupcy and the hourly pension fund was well funded they could not include that in the bankrupcy, I suppose if it had been only at 40% or something like that it would have been included and switched over to the government because GM pays into that program. That is what happened to salaried Delphi employees, their pension fund was poorly funded.
anne, I don't want anyone to lose anything, I really don't....I just want SOME particular person to realize a few things.....that THEY have it pretty darn good.....because GM made a nice profit at one time......and since they began asking for more and more and more, that profit was no longer possible......so they left.....and now they cry.
seriously, I hope the auto industry and the uaw, can come to a real working solution to where everyone can win.
I know the UAW can be a good thing, IF, they can put the workers best interest and if the owners can do what is best for America instead of the profit margin.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 17, 2010, 10:55:48 PM
again you talk right out of your ass........I have worked in lumbar yards, done construction, hardware stores, a painter, I have worked three jobs, while raising two kids....don't give me that crap which you know nothing about....if you was build such a great car, WHY did they leave troll, WHY did they leave?...because YOU buddies down at Union, SCREWED the POOCH!!!......you will NEVER, EVER convince me any different.....THAT is a freakin FACT!!!!!......cry me a river pal, but YOU reaped the benefits, and the rest of the county got shit!!!....BECAUSE of the U.....A.....W!!!! the United Auto Workers....period.
I don't give a crap if you like me or not.....facts are facts.....(http://theunknownzone.us/smf/file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/COMPAQ%7E1/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot.png)(http://theunknownzone.us/smf/file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/COMPAQ%7E1/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot-1.png)
and you honestly think GM is going to pay back the loan, with interest? paleeze, they have to figure out a way to make a profit first....and until they get the UAW to start being more realistic.....they ain't gonna make enough money to pay the interest.(http://theunknownzone.us/smf/file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/COMPAQ%7E1/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot-2.png)
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: Well I don't see how you will change my mind about you. Your nothing but a big cry baby. :cry: :cry: Your sure can put it out, but you sure can't take it. :cry: :cry: :cry: You just don't give a damn about the poor and the common working people, you look down on them. Plain and simple. :cry: :cry: :cry:
Quote from: The Troll on November 18, 2010, 09:04:21 AM
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: Well I don't see how you will change my mind about you. Your nothing but a big cry baby. :cry: :cry: Your sure can put it out, but you sure can't take it. :cry: :cry: :cry: You just don't give a damn about the poor and the common working people, you look down on them. Plain and simple. :cry: :cry: :cry:
and YOU are dumbass....plaind and simple.... ;) :razz:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 18, 2010, 09:16:17 AM
and YOU are dumbass....plaind and simple.... ;) :razz:
Thank you, Dick, Prick, Penis, Tom Tom, Peetie, I can't call you these names they all have a head. What about Asshole.
Quote from: The Troll on November 18, 2010, 11:55:14 AM
Thank you, Dick, Prick, Penis, Tom Tom, Peetie, I can't call you these names they all have a head. What about Asshole.
that will work just fine.... ;) :razz: