NPR News has terminated the contract of longtime news analyst Juan Williams after remarks he made on the Fox News Channel about Muslims.
Williams appeared Monday on The O'Reilly Factor, and host Bill O'Reilly asked him to comment on the idea that the U.S. is facing a dilemma with Muslims.
O'Reilly has been looking for support for his own remarks on a recent episode of ABC's The View in which he directly blamed Muslims for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Co-hosts Joy Behar and Whoopi Goldberg walked off the set in the middle of his appearance.
Williams responded: "Look, Bill, I'm not a bigot. You know the kind of books I've written about the civil rights movement in this country. But when I get on the plane, I got to tell you, if I see people who are in Muslim garb and I think, you know, they are identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous."
Williams also warned O'Reilly against blaming all Muslims for "extremists," saying Christians shouldn't be blamed for Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh.
But strong criticism followed Williams' comments.
Late Wednesday night, NPR issued a statement praising Williams as a valuable contributor but saying it had given him notice that it is severing his contract. "His remarks on The O'Reilly Factor this past Monday were inconsistent with our editorial standards and practices, and undermined his credibility as a news analyst with NPR," the statement read.
Williams' presence on the largely conservative and often contentious prime-time talk shows of Fox News has long been a sore point with NPR News executives.
His status was earlier shifted from staff correspondent to analyst after he took clear-cut positions about public policy on television and in newspaper opinion pieces.
Reached late Wednesday night, Williams said he wasn't ready to comment and was conferring with his wife about the episode.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130712737
Thoughts on this?
I think Mike Huckabee said it best....."NPR has discredited itself as a forum for free speech and a protection of the First Amendment rights of all and has solidified itself as the purveyor of politically correct pabulum and protector of views that lean left," Huckabee said. "It is time for the taxpayers to start making cuts to federal spending, and I encourage the new Congress to start with NPR," he added.
All because he says he "gets nervous" ....his is now "fired"... :rolleyes:
Man, another guy axed for making a personal statement. . . THAT illustrates the power of the corporation to me. They can enjoy INDIVIDUAL constitutional rights and protections as a faceless, soul-less corporation, but they do not have to abide by those same protections when it comes to their employees!
Was the guy right or wrong? I don't know that I can make that call. He has a right to speak to his concerns as a private individual. I think if there was a mistake he made it was in deciding to voice his feelings on a FAUX programming. . .
Sanchez was fired for a very similar incident by CNN. I myself know exactly how both of these guys feel.
It's a double standard when it comes to corporations, and they are now starting to flex their power over the worthless employees; something the SCOTUS reduced us to with its decision to extend constitutional rights to them. . .
Personally, I think Williams has had a target on his head for a long time by the NPR news executives as the article indicates. NPR management didn't like Williams routine contributions to the Fox News Channel, and his remarks simply gave them a reason to fire him. I certainly don't think Williams remarks would have cost him his job had he not been a routine contributor to FNC.
Also, Williams framed his remarks to O'Reilly in such a way to say that we shouldn't paint groups with broad brushes. O'Reilly responded that he's tired of being careful, he's done doing that, and basically implying that he doesn't care if it offends Muslims. The jackass O'Reilly is still employed; Williams is not.
To me it does not help manners any for the "Muslims" when the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) demands Williams to be fired for practicing the First Admendment and simply stating an honest opinion....CAIR is out to stir the pot...and more, and more Americans are getting fed up with being 'politically correct'...and I am one of them.. :rant:
I don't think CAIR had much to do with this one HH. Here's Juan Williams response to the events. His words are pretty clear about what he thinks happened. I just found this on Fox News' website.
Yesterday NPR fired me for telling the truth. The truth is that I worry when I am getting on an airplane and see people dressed in garb that identifies them first and foremost as Muslims.
This is not a bigoted statement. It is a statement of my feelings, my fears after the terrorist attacks of 9/11 by radical Muslims. In a debate with Bill O'Reilly I revealed my fears to set up the case for not making rash judgments about people of any faith. I pointed out that the Atlanta Olympic bomber -- as well as Timothy McVeigh and the people who protest against gay rights at military funerals -- are Christians but we journalists don't identify them by their religion.
And I made it clear that all Americans have to be careful not to let fears lead to violation of anyone's constitutional rights, be it to build a mosque, carry the Koran or drive a New York cab without fear having your throat slashed. Bill and I argued after I said he has to take care in the way he talks about the 9/11 attacks so as not to provoke bigotry.
This was an honest, sensitive debate hosted by O'Reilly. At the start of the debate Bill invited me, challenged me to tell him where he was wrong for stating the fact that "Muslims killed us there," in the 9/11 attacks. He made that initial statement on the ABC program, "The View," which caused some of the co-hosts to walk off the set. They did not return until O'Reilly apologized for not being clear that he did not mean the country was attacked by all Muslims but by extremist radical Muslims.
I took Bill's challenge and began by saying that political correctness can cause people to become so paralyzed that they don't deal with reality. And the fact is that it was a group of Muslims who attacked the U.S. I added that radicalism has continued to pose a threat to the United States and much of the world. That threat was expressed in court last week by the unsuccessful Times Square bomber who bragged that he was just one of the first engaged in a "Muslim War" against the United States. -- There is no doubt that there's a real war and people are trying to kill us.
Mary Katharine Ham, a conservative writer, joined the debate to say that it is important to make the distinction between moderate and extreme Islam for conservatives who support the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq on the premise that the U.S. can build up moderate elements in those countries and push out the extremists. I later added that we don't want anyone attacked on American streets because "they heard rhetoric from Bill O'Reilly and they act crazy." Bill agreed and said the man who slashed the cabby was a "nut" and so was the Florida pastor who wanted to burn the Koran.
My point in recounting this debate is to show this was in the best American tradition of a fair, full-throated and honest discourse about the issues of the day. -- There was no bigotry, no crude provocation, no support for anti-Muslim sentiments of any kind.
Two days later, Ellen Weiss, my boss at NPR called to say I had crossed the line, essentially accusing me of bigotry. She took the admission of my visceral fear of people dressed in Muslim garb at the airport as evidence that I am a bigot. She said there are people who wear Muslim garb to work at NPR and they are offended by my comments. She never suggested that I had discriminated against anyone. Instead she continued to ask me what did I mean and I told her I said what I meant. Then she said she did not sense remorse from me. I said I made an honest statement. She informed me that I had violated NPR's values for editorial commentary and she was terminating my contract as a news analyst.
I pointed out that I had not made my comments on NPR. She asked if I would have said the same thing on NPR. I said yes, because in keeping with my values I will tell people the truth about feelings and opinions.
I asked why she would fire me without speaking to me face to face and she said there was nothing I could say to change her mind, the decision had been confirmed above her, and there was no point to meeting in person. To say the least this is a chilling assault on free speech. The critical importance of honest journalism and a free flowing, respectful national conversation needs to be had in our country. But it is being buried as collateral damage in a war whose battles include political correctness and ideological orthodoxy.
I say an ideological battle because my comments on "The O'Reilly Factor" are being distorted by the self-righteous ideological, left-wing leadership at NPR. They are taking bits and pieces of what I said to go after me for daring to have a conversation with leading conservative thinkers. They loathe the fact that I appear on Fox News. They don't notice that I am challenging Bill O'Reilly and trading ideas with Sean Hannity. In their hubris they think by talking with O'Reilly or Hannity I am lending them legitimacy. Believe me, Bill O'Reilly (and Sean, too) is a major force in American culture and politics whether or not I appear on his show.
Years ago NPR tried to stop me from going on "The Factor." When I refused they insisted that I not identify myself as an NPR journalist. I asked them if they thought people did not know where I appeared on the air as a daily talk show host, national correspondent and news analyst. They refused to budge.
This self-reverential attitude was on display several years ago when NPR asked me to help them get an interview with President George W. Bush. I have longstanding relationships with some of the key players in his White House due to my years as a political writer at The Washington Post. When I got the interview some in management expressed anger that in the course of the interview I said to the president that Americans pray for him but don't understand some of his actions. They said it was wrong to say Americans pray for him.
Later on the 50th anniversary of the Little Rock crisis President Bush offered to do an NPR interview with me about race relations in America. NPR management refused to take the interview on the grounds that the White House offered it to me and not their other correspondents and hosts. One NPR executive implied I was in the administration's pocket, which is a joke, and there was no other reason to offer me the interview. Gee, I guess NPR news executives never read my bestselling history of the civil rights movement "Eyes on the Prize – America's Civil Rights Years," or my highly acclaimed biography "Thurgood Marshall –American Revolutionary." I guess they never noticed that "ENOUGH," my last book on the state of black leadership in America, found a place on the New York Times bestseller list.
This all led to NPR demanding that I either agree to let them control my appearances on Fox News and my writings or sign a new contract that removed me from their staff but allowed me to continue working as a news analyst with an office at NPR. The idea was that they would be insulated against anything I said or wrote outside of NPR because they could say that I was not a staff member. What happened is that they immediately began to cut my salary and diminish my on-air role. This week when I pointed out that they had forced me to sign a contract that gave them distance from my commentary outside of NPR I was cut off, ignored and fired.
And now they have used an honest statement of feeling as the basis for a charge of bigotry to create a basis for firing me. Well, now that I no longer work for NPR let me give you my opinion. This is an outrageous violation of journalistic standards and ethics by management that has no use for a diversity of opinion, ideas or a diversity of staff (I was the only black male on the air). This is evidence of one-party rule and one sided thinking at NPR that leads to enforced ideology, speech and writing. It leads to people, especially journalists, being sent to the gulag for raising the wrong questions and displaying independence of thought.
Daniel Schorr, my fellow NPR commentator who died earlier this year, used to talk about the initial shock of finding himself on President Nixon's enemies list. I can only imagine Dan's revulsion to realize that today NPR treats a journalist who has worked for them for ten years with less regard, less respect for the value of independence of thought and embrace of real debate across political lines, than Nixon ever displayed.
Juan Williams is now a full-time Fox News contributor.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/10/21/juan-williams-npr-fired-truth-muslim-garb-airplane-oreilly-ellen-weiss-bush/
Quote from: Locutus on October 21, 2010, 04:24:38 PM
Personally, I think Williams has had a target on his head for a long time by the NPR news executives as the article indicates. NPR management didn't like Williams routine contributions to the Fox News Channel, and his remarks simply gave them a reason to fire him. I certainly don't think Williams remarks would have cost him his job had he not been a routine contributor to FNC.
Also, Williams framed his remarks to O'Reilly in such a way to say that we shouldn't paint groups with broad brushes. O'Reilly responded that he's tired of being careful, he's done doing that, and basically implying that he doesn't care if it offends Muslims. The jackass O'Reilly is still employed; Williams is not.
Yeah, I got that from the article as well, especially the part when he was "demoted" to analyst. But you know, instead of manning up and asking him to stop doing work for Fox, and terming it in words that made it clear he was risking his position with NPR, they chose an incident wherein an individual is expressing his personal thoughts and exercising his freedom of expression/speech to utilize as a reason to fire him. There should be consequences for the corporation just as there are for an individual who encroaches upon another's rights. . . But there aren't! Clearly. . .
I think it has more to do with NPR, not liking the fact that he had a relationship with FoxNews, and George Soros, who has a great deal of pull with NPR, decided THIS would be a perfect time to let him go....
It is a spineless, anti-American act....
Here's what Williams said about it today.
http://www.youtube.com/v/yFOza0N-qbw
I know that if I owned a news network and I wanted to the truthful and honest. I sure as hell wouldn't want any of my reporters connected the biggest lying TV network FOX.
The stench coming from FOX network, I would want near my company. Plain and simple. Juan knew what he was doing. He tried and failed. Tough!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 21, 2010, 04:07:55 PM
..."NPR has discredited itself as a forum for free speech and a protection of the First Amendment rights of all and has solidified itself as the purveyor of politically correct pabulum and protector of views that lean left..."
So long as they still air "Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me" I will be a loyal listener. I could possibly give up "Car Talk," but not "Wait, Wait."
I don't listen to editorial programs on any station. No one can tell me what to think. Or, as seems to be more commonly the case,
whether to think.
Quote from: The Troll on October 21, 2010, 05:24:58 PM
I know that if I owned a news network and I wanted to the truthful and honest. I sure as hell wouldn't want any of my reporters connected the biggest lying TV network FOX.
The stench coming from FOX network, I would want near my company. Plain and simple. Juan knew what he was doing. He tried and failed. Tough!
Spoken like a true blind person. By that I mean you are letting your distaste for Fox color your view of what just happened to this man, and its ramifications for every single American in this country!
CNN and now NPR just fired individuals for making a personal statement to the press, and for exercising their constitutional right to do so. From my view neither Sanchez or Williams said anything that I would deem worthy of the loss of their positions, and yet there it is.
What are these corporate entities saying by their actions in these cases? They are saying they own you, 24/7/365, and that it doesn't matter if the contract doesn't specifically address the points of personal freedom of expression outside of the workplace, it is clearly implied. And it seems it also provides them the ability to adjudicate you guilty of breech of contract and to nullify it!
What are the implications of this to millions of non-unionized American workers and their unemployed brethren? Freedom of speech is quickly becoming nothing more than a dog and pony show, and corporations are now holding the leads! If you express a distrust or dislike of corporations, goodbye job. If you speak publicly about anything the corporations do not agree with, goodbye job. Even if what you say has nothing to do with the corporation or the industry in general.
As we saw with the Shirley Sherrod debacle, NO ONE is safe from the knee jerk and reactionary actions of the faceless, soul-less corporate almighty. And the SCOTUS just handed them the keys to the kingdom! :rant: :rant: :rant:
How long before the average Joe/Jane is so oppressed by these actions and undertakings, that they no longer write any kind of opinion, but rather parrot corporate jargon? How long before the media becomes nothing more than a propaganda campaign for these same corporations? A lot of them are already that way, and those that aren't are an endangered species surrounding career longevity.
Like everything else in today's world, this crap will get out of control and FUBAR before anyone holding any position of real authority experiences an AHA moment! :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:
One thing that Mr. Williams, and others who get uneasy when they see people dressed in Muslim attire at the airport forget about, is that in most cases, if they're planning an attack, they're not going to be dressed like that. None of the 9/11 hijackers were dressed like Muslims. They blended in.
When I read the title to the thread, I thought it might belong in the DEAD! thread.
Quote from: followsthewolf on October 21, 2010, 08:34:11 PM
When I read the title to the thread, I thought it might belong in the DEAD! thread.
LOL! Bob Guccione is the latest entry on that thread. Oh the memories of sneaking into my neighbor's basement where he kept a stash of Penthouse magazines while growing up. :sneaky: ;D
Quote from: Locutus on October 21, 2010, 08:29:18 PM
One thing that Mr. Williams, and others who get uneasy when they see people dressed in Muslim attire at the airport forget about, is that in most cases, if they're planning an attack, they're not going to be dressed like that. None of the 9/11 hijackers were dressed like Muslims. They blended in.
Exactly! True Dat!
And maybe if corporate Amerika will take a few pills and chill, the normal course of dialog can transpire and folks will come to that realization in short order. Instead, now we'll have them adopting whatever propaganda is currently approved and keeping their dialog to themselves!
Quote from: Palehorse on October 21, 2010, 07:38:24 PM
Spoken like a true blind person. By that I mean you are letting your distaste for Fox color your view of what just happened to this man, and its ramifications for every single American in this country!
CNN and now NPR just fired individuals for making a personal statement to the press, and for exercising their constitutional right to do so. From my view neither Sanchez or Williams said anything that I would deem worthy of the loss of their positions, and yet there it is.
What are these corporate entities saying by their actions in these cases? They are saying they own you, 24/7/365, and that it doesn't matter if the contract doesn't specifically address the points of personal freedom of expression outside of the workplace, it is clearly implied. And it seems it also provides them the ability to adjudicate you guilty of breech of contract and to nullify it!
What are the implications of this to millions of non-unionized American workers and their unemployed brethren? Freedom of speech is quickly becoming nothing more than a dog and pony show, and corporations are now holding the leads! If you express a distrust or dislike of corporations, goodbye job. If you speak publicly about anything the corporations do not agree with, goodbye job. Even if what you say has nothing to do with the corporation or the industry in general.
As we saw with the Shirley Sherrod debacle, NO ONE is safe from the knee jerk and reactionary actions of the faceless, soul-less corporate almighty. And the SCOTUS just handed them the keys to the kingdom! :rant: :rant: :rant:
How long before the average Joe/Jane is so oppressed by these actions and undertakings, that they no longer write any kind of opinion, but rather parrot corporate jargon? How long before the media becomes nothing more than a propaganda campaign for these same corporations? A lot of them are already that way, and those that aren't are an endangered species surrounding career longevity.
Like everything else in today's world, this crap will get out of control and FUBAR before anyone holding any position of real authority experiences an AHA moment! :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:
Now that you beat that dead horse :deadhorse: Let's hear your defence of Rush Limbo and all of his truth in broadcasting.
Quote from: The Troll on October 21, 2010, 08:49:17 PM
Now that you beat that dead horse :deadhorse: Let's hear your defence of Rush Limbo and all of his truth in broadcasting.
Non sequitur.
Perfect.
Quote from: LOsborne on October 21, 2010, 08:54:43 PM
Non sequitur.
I really love a class act darlin'! :tequila: Cheers! :smile:
Poor old Juan Williams. The poor guy had two jobs. One was with NPR and one was with Fox.
Well, he lost his job talking bullshit and was fired for NPR. But today Fox gave him a 3 year contract and a pay raise to $3 million.
Poor Juan Williams :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
It's interesting that the ditto heads at Fox News are all incensed about this happening to Juan, so much so that their superiors gave him a contract as Troll noted. However, Bill O'Reilly seems to say he's going to make it a point to "hit 'em where it hurts" and call for the cessation of all taxpayer funding for NPR. What his sheeple don't realize, and what Bill O'Liely isn't telling them, is that even if that happened, it would be no distraction for the people of NPR. But that's what Fox does best. Get the sheeple all riled up thinking that Big Bad Bill is going to do something about it even though it would be meaningless if he succeeds.
(http://www.npr.org/about/images/aboutnpr/unrestricted_rev_by%20cateogry.jpg)
The sad part is, at least to me, that FOX and their talking heads are obscuring the real danger in what has happened, and its potential ramifications to American citizens.
I may be wrong, but I am telling you guys it has happened to me, it has happened to Sanchez, and now it has happened to Juan.
Sanchez and Juan will be alright, but the rest of us - - - fodder for the corporate machines. . .
NPR just blinked. . . And the only thing FOX is going to do is further validate the fact they are a prime example of what is wrong with this country in the first place!
That's 'cuz the folks at Fox are pro-bizness. :wink:
Quote from: Locutus on October 21, 2010, 09:47:15 PM
That's 'cuz the folks at Fox are pro-bizness. :wink:
Yup! :yes:
Quote from: Palehorse on October 21, 2010, 04:13:58 PM
Man, another guy axed for making a personal statement. . . THAT illustrates the power of the corporation to me. They can enjoy INDIVIDUAL constitutional rights and protections as a faceless, soul-less corporation, but they do not have to abide by those same protections when it comes to their employees!
Was the guy right or wrong? I don't know that I can make that call. He has a right to speak to his concerns as a private individual. I think if there was a mistake he made it was in deciding to voice his feelings on a FAUX programming. . .
Sanchez was fired for a very similar incident by CNN. I myself know exactly how both of these guys feel.
It's a double standard when it comes to corporations, and they are now starting to flex their power over the worthless employees; something the SCOTUS reduced us to with its decision to extend constitutional rights to them. . .
You've summed up my thoughts on this, perfectly. This is a perfect example of why I despise big corporate media.
Soros just donated $1M to NPR. They could, and should, end up losing their government money because of this incident too. What is really wrong is these reporters can trash anyone they want to but they can't say anything even remotely negative about radical Muslims or Democrats without getting fired or discredited in some way.
Do you realize that Juan was the only black man working for NPR? Now how loud do you think the powers that be would be screaming if that were the case at Fox?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 21, 2010, 05:06:48 PM
I think it has more to do with NPR, not liking the fact that he had a relationship with FoxNews, and George Soros, who has a great deal of pull with NPR, decided THIS would be a perfect time to let him go....
It is a spineless, anti-American act....
Quote from: me on October 22, 2010, 01:17:09 AM
Soros just donated $1M to NPR. They could, and should, end up losing their government money because of this incident too. What is really wrong is these reporters can trash anyone they want to but they can't say anything even remotely negative about radical Muslims or Democrats without getting fired or discredited in some way.
Do you realize that Juan was the only black man working for NPR? Now how loud do you think the powers that be would be screaming if that were the case at Fox?
There you go, because some dumbass goes nuclear on Muslims and I guess against company policy. Some other dumbass want to shut down a whole radio system. Typical Republican bullshit. Have you noticed how many constitutional rights they want to change. One of them is freedom of speech.
I just wish, when I get into my car I could turn on my radio and get something entertaining, instead of Rush Limp-paw and all of his Republican lies and bullshit. Religious preachers and sports shows. Rush's EIB show, Excellence in Bullshit is on at least 5 radio stations in this area, the last I counted. Hell, I don't even turn on my radio. I wish they would bring back truth in broadcasting. The way it is now, AM Radio just plain sucks.
Since I just can't stomach Fox TV in any way because they are such lyers. Just how many black news hosts do they have on Fox. I would at least watch for a while a Black O'Reiley and a Black Hannity and a Black Glen Beck. God I'll be smarter after watching all of that bullshit. :rotfl: :wacko:
Quote from: me on October 22, 2010, 01:17:09 AM
Soros just donated $1M to NPR.
And Rupert Murdoch, owner of the Fair and Balanced Fox Newscrap donated $3 million dollars to the Chamber of Commerce shush fund, which uses secret foreign money to produce lying political ads for the Republicans.
I think George Soros did a public service with his donation. Murdoch donated his money to kill the middle class. Just think Murdoch the old son of a bitch with all of his money is still trying to kill the middle class and make the corporations more powerful and cruel. :knife:
Quote from: me on October 22, 2010, 01:17:09 AM
Soros just donated $1M to NPR.
It was $1.8 million, and it came from the Open Society Foundations, which, granted was founded by Soros.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.soros.org/initiatives/usprograms/focus/transparency/news/npr-grant-20101018
Quote from: The Troll on October 22, 2010, 07:58:49 AM
And Rupert Murdoch, owner of the Fair and Balanced Fox Newscrap donated $3 million dollars to the Chamber of Commerce shush fund...
It was only $1 million.
http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/rupert-murdoch-chamber-of/2010/10/02/id/372333
Them little numbers are tricky suckers, ain't they? Always check your facts, kids. It keeps you from looking like a rumor-mongering alarmist.
BOTH sides are f'd up......the dems SUCK and the repubs SUCK!!!
I want some regular folks in Washington, who don't OWN no f'ing favors to no one.....and QUIT spending OUR money like it is growing on trees....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 22, 2010, 08:45:33 AM
BOTH sides are f'd up......the dems SUCK and the repubs SUCK!!!
I want some regular folks in Washington, who don't OWN no f'ing favors to no one.....and QUIT spending OUR money like it is growing on trees....
Henry, some time back, even tho you're a hawk. You were crowing about the wonderful Tea Party candidates.
Would you like to bring me back up to speed on your thoughts on O'Donnell, Engles, Bachman, Whitman, McMahon and most of all Sarah Palin. I need an up date. I think it is wonderful their standings in the election polls. They will make fine Republican leaders.
the public even recongizes that THESE guys are MUCH better than any DEMOCRAT....so what does that tell ya?............(http://theunknownzone.us/smf/Smileys3/default/rotfl.gif)(http://theunknownzone.us/smf/Smileys3/default/rotfl.gif)(http://theunknownzone.us/smf/Smileys3/default/rotfl.gif)(http://theunknownzone.us/smf/Smileys3/default/rotfl.gif)(http://theunknownzone.us/smf/Smileys3/default/trust.gif)(http://theunknownzone.us/smf/Smileys3/default/rotfl.gif)(http://theunknownzone.us/smf/Smileys3/default/rotfl.gif)(http://theunknownzone.us/smf/Smileys3/default/rotfl.gif)(http://theunknownzone.us/smf/Smileys3/default/rotfl.gif)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 22, 2010, 10:36:25 AM
the public even recongizes that THESE guys are MUCH better than any DEMOCRAT....so what does that tell ya?............(http://theunknownzone.us/smf/Smileys3/default/rotfl.gif)(http://theunknownzone.us/smf/Smileys3/default/rotfl.gif)(http://theunknownzone.us/smf/Smileys3/default/rotfl.gif)(http://theunknownzone.us/smf/Smileys3/default/rotfl.gif)(http://theunknownzone.us/smf/Smileys3/default/trust.gif)(http://theunknownzone.us/smf/Smileys3/default/rotfl.gif)(http://theunknownzone.us/smf/Smileys3/default/rotfl.gif)(http://theunknownzone.us/smf/Smileys3/default/rotfl.gif)(http://theunknownzone.us/smf/Smileys3/default/rotfl.gif)
Just plain and simple. BRAIN DEAD. I can't think of anything in the world of science that would bring of this line of reasoning.
Quote from: The Troll on October 22, 2010, 10:47:20 AM
Just plain and simple. BRAIN DEAD. I can't think of anything in the world of science that would bring of this line of reasoning.
tell that to the MILLIONS of AMERICANS, who are voting this way in a couple of weeks....Troll, get use to it.....REAL AMERICANS, are fed up, and they are not going to let, the CROOKS in Washington (such Pelosi and Reed and company) to continue SCREWING Americans!!...it is THAT simple dude....
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Quote from: Sandy Eggo on October 21, 2010, 09:59:11 PM
You've summed up my thoughts on this, perfectly. This is a perfect example of why I despise big corporate media.
Journalism is dead, that much is clear. The almighty corporate fund has bought it, just as they are buying up this country!
Conservatives has known that it has been dead for years now....it just took a conservative news group to smack those on the left to realize this...Liberal bias has been around for two decades....now that FoxNews is throwing it back in the faces of liberals....EVERYBODY get's it finally.
Don't fool yourself; FOX is just as bad as the rest of them. In fact they are among the most dangerous because they are growing in strength and size, and using half truths and outright lies to obtain their corporate goals.
Just look at the talking heads they employ!
Divide and conquer. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on October 22, 2010, 11:32:20 AM
Don't fool yourself; FOX is just as bad as the rest of them. In fact they are among the most dangerous because they are growing in strength and size, and using half truths and outright lies to obtain their corporate goals.
Just look at the talking heads they employ!
Divide and conquer. . .
I never said they could not or would not be dangerous....I'm just pointing out, this has been going on for years now....it took fox to throw the pendulam to the other side, and NOW people suddenly don't trust the media.
I say they are everybit as truthful as ANY news agency out there.....they just lean right, where the rest leans left....
CBS,ABC,NBC,MSNBC,CNN,PBS..ALL of them have been using half truths and outright lies to obtain their corporate goals....
Why do you think FoxNews is so powerful and the MOST watched?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 22, 2010, 11:47:09 AM
I never said they could not or would not be dangerous....I'm just pointing out, this has been going on for years now....it took fox to throw the pendulam to the other side, and NOW people suddenly don't trust the media.
I say they are everybit as truthful as ANY news agency out there.....they just lean right, where the rest leans left....
CBS,ABC,NBC,MSNBC,CNN,PBS..ALL of them have been using half truths and outright lies to obtain their corporate goals....
Why do you think FoxNews is so powerful and the MOST watched?
Because people, on average, are too lazy to do their own research, and in an increasingly disturbing trend apathy has taken over.
Ya better check things out before ya comment Troll. Juan is a liberal and for Obama and the administration and he did not go nuclear on Muslims, he made a comment. He is only one of the liberal voices which Fox has, they have many others which contribute to give a liberal point of view. He was telling O'Reilley why he was wrong with his statement on the view but also explaining how political correctness has gone way too far at times. He has been on Fox for quite sometime and they didn't find a problem with it until now. It is NPR that's trying to squelch freedom of speech not Fox. No one wants to shut down NPR where did you get that idea? Fox does not get tax money, NPR does they are part of PBS and should not be political one way or the other.
Fox has many black contributors as well as employees both male and female so don't even go there.
This type of crap has never happened with any other administration and it's just plain wrong any way you look at it. If ya'll don't see what's going on you really need to stand back, open your eyes, and pay attention.
Quote from: The Troll on October 22, 2010, 06:03:23 AM
There you go, because some dumbass goes nuclear on Muslims and I guess against company policy. Some other dumbass want to shut down a whole radio system. Typical Republican bullshit. Have you noticed how many constitutional rights they want to change. One of them is freedom of speech.
I just wish, when I get into my car I could turn on my radio and get something entertaining, instead of Rush Limp-paw and all of his Republican lies and bullshit. Religious preachers and sports shows. Rush's EIB show, Excellence in Bullshit is on at least 5 radio stations in this area, the last I counted. Hell, I don't even turn on my radio. I wish they would bring back truth in broadcasting. The way it is now, AM Radio just plain sucks.
Since I just can't stomach Fox TV in any way because they are such lyers. Just how many black news hosts do they have on Fox. I would at least watch for a while a Black O'Reiley and a Black Hannity and a Black Glen Beck. God I'll be smarter after watching all of that bullshit. :rotfl: :wacko:
Quote from: Palehorse on October 22, 2010, 11:51:07 AM
Because people, on average, are too lazy to do their own research, and in an increasingly disturbing trend apathy has taken over.
THAT has always been the case...things are no different now....as a mater of fact, I would bet MORE people do their own reseach NOW than ever, because of the internet....I know I do. AND the apathy is NOT by conservatives any longer THAT is why we are on the cusps of a major blow back to the right...
and Troll is a good example of people, on average, that are too lazy to do their own research.....he is a democrat no matter what.....
btw Troll, Limbaugh is on two stations in your area....one is on AM the other is on FM
Anderson WHBU 1240
Indianapolis WIBC- FM 93.1
show me the other three he is on that you can get in your area....or is it that YOU that has lies and bullshit, not Limp-paw? |
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 22, 2010, 11:54:20 AM
THAT has always been the case...things are no different now....as a mater of fact, I would bet MORE people do their own reseach NOW than ever, because of the internet....I know I do. AND the apathy is NOT by conservatives any longer THAT is why we are on the cusps of a major blow back to the right...
If that were true, how do you explain the proliferation of individuals from the extremist sector of society within the current batch of candidates?
Quote from: Palehorse on October 22, 2010, 12:02:30 PM
If that were true, how do you explain the proliferation of individuals from the extremist sector of society within the current batch of candidates?
there are not that many extremist...that is just more media hype....the vast majority of tea party attendee's Palehore are folks like the Hawk...I am telling you the truth, I have been to two of them in Indy...they was made up of normal conservative people....businessmen, doctors (I know I saw MY very own DR there), lawyers, military (lot's of military btw)....you can believe me or not. I have NEVER lied to you, despite what exterminater claims, .... those candidates that you are talking about got nominated because they are simply more conservative...they are runnning on smaller government and that is what the Tea Party people want...it is THAT simple.
I'm out of here, take care Zoners!!... :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 22, 2010, 12:10:26 PM
there are not that many extremist...that is just more media hype....the vast majority of tea party attendee's Palehore are folks like the Hawk...I am telling you the truth, I have been to two of them in Indy...they was made up of normal conservative people....businessmen, doctors (I know I saw MY very own DR there), lawyers, military (lot's of military btw)....you can believe me or not. I have NEVER lied to you, despite what exterminater claims, .... those candidates that you are talking about got nominated because they are simply more conservative...they are runnning on smaller government and that is what the Tea Party people want...it is THAT simple.
I'm out of here, take care Zoners!!... :yes:
Henry and Me, I really got this feeling that your Tea Party candidates are not going to come out as good as you think. And I think Harry Reid will be back and boy will he be pissed. How sweet it will be. So don't count you chicken hawk eggs before they hatch.
Quote from: Locutus on October 21, 2010, 09:22:18 PM
It's interesting that the ditto heads at Fox News are all incensed about this happening to Juan, so much so that their superiors gave him a contract as Troll noted. However, Bill O'Reilly seems to say he's going to make it a point to "hit 'em where it hurts" and call for the cessation of all taxpayer funding for NPR. What his sheeple don't realize, and what Bill O'Liely isn't telling them, is that even if that happened, it would be no distraction for the people of NPR. But that's what Fox does best. Get the sheeple all riled up thinking that Big Bad Bill is going to do something about it even though it would be meaningless if he succeeds.
(http://www.npr.org/about/images/aboutnpr/unrestricted_rev_by%20cateogry.jpg)
Glenn Beck and Shawn Hannity and Bill O'Reilly have been called crazy because of what they've e said about O bama but it all adds up. O bama is out to destroy our society. It's obvious that he hates capitalism and this health plan was never about helping people. God help us if this isnt defeated, because I'm not sure our great country could crumble farther. In time I certainly hope the black community sees him for what he really is,instead of worshipping him because of his skin color. As for Juan Williams he's an example of how O bama is turning America over to the muslims and he's using the media to do it.
Quote from: me on October 22, 2010, 01:17:09 AM
Soros just donated $1M to NPR. They could, and should, end up losing their government money because of this incident too. What is really wrong is these reporters can trash anyone they want to but they can't say anything even remotely negative about radical Muslims or Democrats without getting fired or discredited in some way.
Do you realize that Juan was the only black man working for NPR? Now how loud do you think the powers that be would be screaming if that were the case at Fox?
So, who was fired for saying something negative about a Democrat?
As for being discredited - typically, wouldn't the person spreading misinformation actually be discrediting themselves?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 22, 2010, 08:45:33 AM
BOTH sides are f'd up......the dems SUCK and the repubs SUCK!!!
I want some regular folks in Washington, who don't OWN no f'ing favors to no one.....and QUIT spending OUR money like it is growing on trees....
Do you think there's anyone like that? really? I think they're all bought and paid for to some degree.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 22, 2010, 11:27:30 AM
Conservatives has known that it has been dead for years now....it just took a conservative news group to smack those on the left to realize this...Liberal bias has been around for two decades....now that FoxNews is throwing it back in the faces of liberals....EVERYBODY get's it finally.
I'm sorry, I have to say this, but Fox is the poster child for corporate media.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on October 22, 2010, 05:00:11 PM
I'm sorry, I have to say this, but Fox is the poster child for corporate media.
I could not agree more!
Quote from: me on October 22, 2010, 11:53:48 AM
Ya better check things out before ya comment Troll.
Dream on,
me.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 22, 2010, 11:47:09 AM
I say they are everybit as truthful as ANY news agency out there.....they just lean right, where the rest leans left....
CBS,ABC,NBC,MSNBC,CNN,PBS..ALL of them have been using half truths and outright lies to obtain their corporate goals....
Okay, I know I've posted this before, but everybody has bias, even those of us who try hard not to (as evidenced by the recent Juan Williams hatchet job.) You have to expose yourself to both sides, check the facts, and come to your own conclusion.
If this program is too arduous, try to get your news from Reuters. They are not a network. They SELL stories to networks. All networks.
Ergo, but reading exclusively from Reuters, you will get a fairly balanced mix from both (or all) points of view. But quit blaming the networks. Y'all are the sheep who watch them. It's time to realize that Walter Cronkite is dead, and the only values any network espouses now belong to their sponsors.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 22, 2010, 11:47:09 AM
Why do you think FoxNews is so powerful and the MOST watched?
Same reason "Survivor" is a top-rated television program. We just can't look away from the train wreck.
Juan Williams was never a liberal, never was a democrat, but now with a $3 million income a year. He sure can be a Republican and cry for a tax cut. Which he will. I wonder now many blacks in this country makes $3 million dollars a year. Not many.
How many Americans make 3 million a year? Not many!
Quote from: Palehorse on October 23, 2010, 11:35:30 AM
How many Americans make 3 million a year? Not many!
Amen Brother. :4th4:
I'm glad you know so much about Juan Troll. He sure spends a lot of time defending Obama and his policies not to be a dem. Link to his pay stub/check please. Even a tax return would do.
Quote from: The Troll on October 23, 2010, 11:30:16 AM
Juan Williams was never a liberal, never was a democrat, but now with a $3 million income a year. He sure can be a Republican and cry for a tax cut. Which he will. I wonder now many blacks in this country makes $3 million dollars a year. Not many.
Quote from: me on October 23, 2010, 02:15:34 PM
I'm glad you know so much about Juan Troll. He sure spends a lot of time defending Obama and his policies not to be a dem. Link to his pay stub/check please. Even a tax return would do.
Hey baby cakes. He was just hired by Fox for 3 years for $3 Million a year. $9 Million. I can't believe you didn't hear it. Poor Juan Williams. You surly heard about the little pig the weeeeee weeeeee weeeee all the home. Well, Juan can go weeeee weeee weeeeee all the way to the bank.
Yeah, Fox hiring a liberal, Democrat to work full time for them. "ME" give me a break. :cry: :cry: :cry:
I am still of the opinion that what happened to Juan does not bode well for the rest of us; even if he did fall on his ass and come up smelling like a rose almost immediately. 99.9% of the rest of us will not be as fortunate when it happens to us! And it will. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on October 23, 2010, 03:00:57 PM
I am still of the opinion that what happened to Juan does not bode well for the rest of us; even if he did fall on his ass and come up smelling like a rose almost immediately. 99.9% of the rest of us will not be as fortunate when it happens to us! And it will. . .
Well, there was something in somebodies wood pile and it isn't Juan Williams anymore. He can take off his Democrat and liberal suit off now. :biggrin: CHUCHING, LET THE CASH REGISTERER RING.
And you got your info about how much he will be making from where? And so what if they are paying him that much, is that any of your business? Are you being a racist? I may not agree with his opinions but I respect him. Yes, he is a democrat.
Quote from: The Troll on October 23, 2010, 02:55:09 PM
Hey baby cakes. He was just hired by Fox for 3 years for $3 Million a year. $9 Million. I can't believe you didn't hear it. Poor Juan Williams. You surly heard about the little pig the weeeeee weeeeee weeeee all the home. Well, Juan can go weeeee weeee weeeeee all the way to the bank.
Yeah, Fox hiring a liberal, Democrat to work full time for them. "ME" give me a break. :cry: :cry: :cry:
Quote from: me on October 23, 2010, 04:58:47 PM
And you got your info about how much he will be making from where? And so what if they are paying him that much, is that any of your business? Are you being a racist? I may not agree with his opinions but I respect him. Yes, he is a democrat.
It's only been all over the news media "me"! :rotfl: :rotfl:
Quote from: me on October 23, 2010, 04:58:47 PM
And you got your info about how much he will be making from where? And so what if they are paying him that much, is that any of your business? Are you being a racist? I may not agree with his opinions but I respect him. Yes, he is a democrat.
I'm no where near racist as you and your Teabagger Party is. What a way to be thought of as a Teabagger. Hey, that would be a good thing for the Tea Party to say. WANT TO BE TEA BAGGED, VOTE TEA BAG PARTY. :rotfl: :rotfl: Tea Bag, Tea Bag, raw, raw, raw.
Had a 3yr old and a 4yr old here most of the day so didn't watch much TV.
Quote from: Palehorse on October 23, 2010, 05:02:28 PM
It's only been all over the news media "me"! :rotfl: :rotfl:
Quote from: me on October 23, 2010, 11:14:23 PM
Had a 3yr old and a 4yr old here most of the day so didn't watch much TV.
Well, after the earth shattering events of Juan Williams firing and being then being made a millionaire. Good for him. We can get back to more important things. Like life and the bad economy that George W. left us. :yes: :yes: