I know this topic will not go over very good or long. Every day I see member of the Zone checking to read what is going on, but never have anything to say. To me having nothing to say in this, the shape this country is in, is something I would say is unusual. Don't we have anybody that is angry. Somebody that is feed up the way thing are ran and the thieves who seem to get by with it because they only stole our money and wear a white shirt and suit.
The question is, when you and the rest of the people of America buy something made in a foreign country and is made by a foreign manufacturing company here in this country.
What does that purchase do for the rest of the people in the United States. Plus the profit these foreign companies that make thing here in American and send the profits back to their country. How does that help America. Just what good , buying foreign products, do for your family, your extended family, neighbors and friends.
Speak up, what do you think. What's good for America? :flag: :flag:
What can "i" do to get America working again? Well right now, I'm going to work and try to hire a couple of people. Okay?
Quote from: LOsborne on July 26, 2010, 08:32:09 AM
What can "i" do to get America working again? Well right now, I'm going to work and try to hire a couple of people. Okay?
I glad you're hiring. Good, good. But "YOU" didn't answer my question, what good does it do for our country when you buy foreign goods. I know you got the brains to give me a good answer.
Well, I'm not sure that the fact that people don't comment about the economy on a forum indicates apathy, because really that does little to help or solve the problem.
One of the smaller things that I do is offer volunteer resume and mock interviewing services to a local outreach center to help people improve their resumes and interviewing skills. I've also assisted the same organization w/job referrals and soliciting information re: openings w/various companies. The later is more of a goodwill type thing. I help keep the organization's name as a resource at the forefront of hiring official's minds.
I've also participated in employment clothing drives. These are intended to assist those who get a job, but can't afford the inital cost of uniforms or business/office attire.
Foreign goods? I purchase as much as possible from local vendors. I try to avoid the corporate chains as much as possible. That's not a "foreign goods" issue for me as much as it is a "support my community" issue. Although, I could be more aware of where products come from. :yes:
I bought a new truck and a motorcycle last year, both were made in the USA, the truck in Kentucky and the M/C in Ohio.
I am taking retirement in a few more days. I could have found another job within the company, but if my leaving will allow a younger person to stay, then so be it. Same deal for jobs outside, I don't really need one, so I'll stay out of that market for a while and let the kids have them. It alway pizzed me off to see some old codger retire and take up a job that someone younger could use to better themselves. I don't want to be that codger.
I may start hiring out some of the larger projects around the house. I don't like home repair, and there are folks doing it who could use the work. I hired someone to take a tree down a couple months ago.
Beyond that I don't really know, but at least it's a start.
I've been pimping for several girls at corners around town; does that count? :icon_twisted:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 26, 2010, 02:03:34 PM
I've been pimping for several girls at corners around town; does that count? :icon_twisted:
They weren't Chinese or Mexicans were they. :rolleyes: :biggrin:
We don't discriminate.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 26, 2010, 03:29:48 PM
We don't discriminate.
Here you go, here I talk about using foreign products, and your using them. Give me a break man.
:flag: I WAS RIGHT :flag:
Not one person could tell me one thing that was good for the United States and it's people when they buy foreign products. It's truly a shame and the bastard in Washington are talking about creation of jobs and nothing about changing the trade policies.
Creating small business jobs. Other than the owner's of the small business. Nobody make a living wage. Paying minimum pay and no benefits. How can we have a strong middle class when there is nothing but $7.10 an hour jobs. plus the small business won't let people work 40 hours a week because they would have to pay unemployment if the lay them off.
It just like the illegal aliens, they, the powers that be, won't fix the real problem. The Illegal employers. Fine the hell out of them and put them in jail and give all police the power to arrest the illegal employers and when found guilty, the police force and the city that arrest them splits the fine money with the government. The illegal employers would be heading for the hills.
The illegal aliens, sending them home? If they can't find jobs, they will go home just the same way they found their way up here. Many of them can go home now in the cars and trucks they bought while they have been up here.
Too many thieves are making too much money to change the system and the stupid sheeple are letting them.
So tell me, how does my foreign product purchase work out when it was made in America, by American workers? I traded my 100% German bike for a new Honda, made in Ohio. Not that I wanted to support Japan, far from it, but I did not mind supporting our workers in their factory. I've been told it has more American content that H-D has in their bike, so did I do better buying Japanese with more pieces made in the USA, than an American bike with less? It's a slippery slope I know. Just throwing this out for someting to think about.
Quote from: Mr442 on July 29, 2010, 03:56:32 PM
So tell me, how does my foreign product purchase work out when it was made in America, by American workers? I traded my 100% German bike for a new Honda, made in Ohio. Not that I wanted to support Japan, far from it, but I did not mind supporting our workers in their factory. I've been told it has more American content that H-D has in their bike, so did I do better buying Japanese with more pieces made in the USA, than an American bike with less? It's a slippery slope I know. Just throwing this out for someting to think about.
I'm glad you ask that question. Well, I suppose of the two, paying American workers for their labor and only their labor than something made by slave foreign labor, might be a little better.
But look at this way. All of the property are owned by the Japs, all of the engineering is done by the Japs, all of the upper management are Japs, all of the clerical work and bookkeeping is done by the Japs and all of the profits, which is in the millions and millions of dollars are sent to Japan. Can't you see that there is something wrong about this picture.
If you were just getting out of high school and your pretty smart. Would you go to college to be a mechanical engineer. A mechanical draftsman. Or you could go to work for the Japs that could and have moved their factories to Mexico for cheaper wages. Toyota is doing it right now.
What do you think now.
I do know that a lot of Americans are in engineering at American Honda and the Evansville Toyota plant, but I understand what you are getting at.
The Honda purchase was much like my VW purchase in 2003. Nobody else had anything I liked as well as what I ended up with. I test rode other bikes, but not H-D due the fact that they could not fill the need for our type of riding. The Honda was the last bike I looked at BTW. The VW was similar in that of all the American brands we drove, they all sucked (technical term) compared to the VW. I wanted a new Olds while I could still get one, but GM had nothing in the same class/size as the VW, that was as comfortable and fun to drive. But to be fair, the wife and I take our behind the wheel time seriously and want to enjoy the experience. GM and Ford had nothing small and inexpensive that filled the bill.
I guess in my case, the American companies need to produce something of interest, and not just run of the mill, ho-hum products. I have yet to consider a Japanese car or truck, but the way things are going I may not have a choice some day. Fortunately Ford still builds some bad ass full size trucks.
Quote from: Mr442 on July 29, 2010, 08:18:27 PM
I do know that a lot of Americans are in engineering at American Honda and the Evansville Toyota plant, but I understand what you are getting at.
The Honda purchase was much like my VW purchase in 2003. Nobody else had anything I liked as well as what I ended up with. I test rode other bikes, but not H-D due the fact that they could not fill the need for our type of riding. The Honda was the last bike I looked at BTW. The VW was similar in that of all the American brands we drove, they all sucked (technical term) compared to the VW. I wanted a new Olds while I could still get one, but GM had nothing in the same class/size as the VW, that was as comfortable and fun to drive. But to be fair, the wife and I take our behind the wheel time seriously and want to enjoy the experience. GM and Ford had nothing small and inexpensive that filled the bill.
I guess in my case, the American companies need to produce something of interest, and not just run of the mill, ho-hum products. I have yet to consider a Japanese car or truck, but the way things are going I may not have a choice some day. Fortunately Ford still builds some bad ass full size trucks.
I bought a Honda Goldwing from a guy from Ford. I bought it for the right price, it was cheaper than any Harley I liked. It was one smooooooooooooth bike. But it was bothering me about it being foreign. The guys I worked with said, quite worrying about it. You bought off an American.
Like I said, I really liked it. I kept it for a short time, but the women drivers didn't like me on it. After three close calls with these women, especially the last one, I sold it. I figured something was telling me, I was going to get hurt. Three close calls were enough.
Quote from: Mr442 on July 29, 2010, 08:18:27 PM
I do know that a lot of Americans are in engineering at American Honda and the Evansville Toyota plant,
How many engineers has got there. How many in design of new bikes and future designs and products. I would just imagine that the American engineers they have are there to make the Jap robots run better so they can get more work out of the American workers.
Did you know that the Japanese can get American workers cheaper than Japanese workers and they how don't have to pay for shipping from Japan. So they can make more profit of the backs of the American workers and send it back to Japan. Using it to invest it for something for themselves or to buy another American company lock stock and barrel and send it profits back to Japan. So they can buy another American company and send the profits back to Japan and so on and so on.
Would you believe that an American cannot own 100% of a company in Japan. 49% is all they can own. They cannot own a controlling interest in a Japanese company. Fair Isn't it.
I think it is like that in a lot of countries. I would have to look it up but some countries foreigner's can't own land, they can get long term leases but can't actually own the land. Sometime I think we need something like that here.
"Ownership" of land is just a false hope created by humankind. You may think you own the house you live in and the land it sits upon, but you don't. You pay the state/city rent for all that; in the form of "taxation". Fail to pay it and see how long you "own" it!
Taxes are one thing and "ownership" is another. If I "own" my house and land no one can take it from me except the government and then only if I don't pay my taxes or by emmient (sp?) domain. If I lease land and build a house, what do I do if the "landlord" refuses to renew the lease?
Quote from: Anne on July 30, 2010, 08:01:47 PM
Taxes are one thing and "ownership" is another. If I "own" my house and land no one can take it from me except the government and then only if I don't pay my taxes or by emmient (sp?) domain. If I lease land and build a house, what do I do if the "landlord" refuses to renew the lease?
Put wheels on it and call it a trailer.
Your home and the land it is sitting on are NEVER paid for. You have to pay the state/city or they will take it from you. Get sick and find yourself unable to pay the medical bills and the hospital/doctor will take it from you. Be found at fault for an action or condition that imposes physical harm upon another and the courts will take it from you. . . Unless of course you pay the additional cost (payments) to acquire insurance to cover you in these cases. . .
Anyway you look at it, you NEVER own you home or land outright. EVER. You could never just own it, and grow / raise your own foods and rely on that for the rest of your life. You HAVE to keep paying. . .
What can "YOU" do to get America working again.....
I have your answer, and it is an easy one, really!!.. :yes:
VOTE REPUBLICAN THIS NOVEMBER!!!!!!!
:yes:
(Brought to you by the HH consrvative committee..........)
'Bout peed meself when I read that.
Quote from: Palehorse on July 30, 2010, 08:08:58 PM
Put wheels on it and call it a trailer.
Your home and the land it is sitting on are NEVER paid for. You have to pay the state/city or they will take it from you. Get sick and find yourself unable to pay the medical bills and the hospital/doctor will take it from you. Be found at fault for an action or condition that imposes physical harm upon another and the courts will take it from you. . . Unless of course you pay the additional cost (payments) to acquire insurance to cover you in these cases. . .
Anyway you look at it, you NEVER own you home or land outright. EVER. You could never just own it, and grow / raise your own foods and rely on that for the rest of your life. You HAVE to keep paying. . .
I got four trailers, trying not paying wheel, property, license plate taxes on them.
When I first started my plumbing apprenticeship one of my classes was taught by a "Old" man who was 74. The first night of the class he gave us his background. He said he started in plumbing helping his plumber father being a Goforer when he was around 8 years old. "for you guys who don't know what a Goforer is, dad would say go get that, go do this, help me lift this and bring me that and crawl under the house and bring out the tools I left there".
He had worked up his business to 5 full time plumbers and 6 trucks and quit plumbing at 65 and sold his business in Indianapolis.
He said, you young guys are going into a business that can be very rewarding. Let me give you some rules I learned the hard way.
Number one, you never own anything. Everthing you think you own or are going to possess is "rented". Let me repeat that and again. Everything you possess and are going to posses is rented. It is rented for the length of your life. If you don't believe me, go watch a funeral prosession and see how much shit or stuff the person get to take with them.
You young guys are going to want to build a new house. Number one thing on sewer lines. There three types, one that will last 40 years, you don't want that, One what will last at least 80 years, the price is good and will last as long as you live. One that will last at least 120 years very expensive and why in hell would want to spend money you won't get any use out of. On plumbing fixtures. These is junk, good, very good and very expensive junk. I like Delta, very good and easy to repair. Everything in my house is Delta.
Never use cheap or cut corners on any plumbing that can't be gotten to easily. In walls, under under concrete, in the ground. We're not like doctors, we have to dig up our mistakes.
One thing more for tonight. Never, never let someone, a contractor, talk you into cutting illegal corners, breaking the plumbing code, a customer talking you into putting some junky, cheap piece of plumbing crap into their propery. Because these people will be the first ones to turn in, rat you out, ruin you business, blackmail you. The customer that you put the cheap plumbing in for. You will be back to fix the damn thing with in a year or be turned into the BBB.
After class if you got any questions, I'll tell anything I know. But, there is some sleeping dogs, we'll let sleep. He was one of the best instructors I ever had.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 31, 2010, 11:15:42 AM
What can "YOU" do to get America working again.....
I have your answer, and it is an easy one, really!!.. :yes:
VOTE REPUBLICAN THIS NOVEMBER!!!!!!!
:yes:
(Brought to you by the HH consrvative committee..........)
To the " HH consrvative committee."
:stupid:
You forgot four things, :chick: Henry. CUT TAXES, SAY NO TO EVERYONE BUT THE RICH, SAY NO TO THE MIDDLE CLASS AND LET THE REPUBLICANS FUCK AMERICA SOME MORE. My god, they have done such a good job of it.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :pink: :pink: :pink: :pink: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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:chick: Henry, if you think it's bad now, under Obama. I want you to put your right leg over your right shoulder and your left leg over your left shoulder and kiss your ass good by. :yes: :biggrin:
You haven't seen any thing as bad as it's going to get if the dumbasses put the Republicans back in control. This country is going to be completely shut down. I can't see anything good coming of this piece of shit. The Republicans don't have one damn canidate that I would trust as far as I could throw my truck. I hope you keep your job. It looks like the Republicans won't let you have unemployment. Good Luck. :thumbsup:
It's too bad, I couldn't get you to bet on trying to get Obama indited for trying to buy off the guy trying to run for senate. :biggrin: :drool1: :drool2:
Quote from: The Troll on July 31, 2010, 01:00:55 PMLet me give you some rules I learned the hard way.
You remind me of a universal truth I learned when I was in my twenties. This is it:
You can have it cheap.
You can have it fast.
You can have it good.
But you can only have two of the three.