I've said it before; sitting idly by and doing nothing or saying nothing to oppose those actions and individuals that nurture racial separation within the Tea Party, is the same thing as a nod and a wink, and infers agreement. . .
QuoteWashington (CNN) -- The NAACP has passed a resolution that condemns what it feels is rampant racism in the Tea Party movement. Members passed the measure on Tuesday at the organization's 101st annual convention in Kansas City, Missouri.
Tea Party activists have swiftly denounced the action as unfounded and unfair.
The resolution pits the nation's oldest civil rights organization, with its storied history of wins on behalf of racial justice, against a grassroots conservative movement that has won some recent political races and is flexing its muscle in Republican circles.
"We take no issue with the Tea Party. We believe in freedom of assembly and people raising their voices in a democracy," Ben Jealous, president and CEO of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, said in a statement.
"We take issue with the Tea Party's continued tolerance for bigotry and bigoted statements. The time has come for them to accept the responsibility that comes with influence and make clear there is no space for racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in their movement," Jealous said. . .
And now the NAACP has decided it has gone on long enough, and those in control of the Tea Party must now be held accountable! :yes:
There is one problem here...The teaparty is not racist. Have you not noticed a pattern here with this racist crap? No, I guess you probably haven't because you're too busy thinking what you're told to think.
Anyone, no matter who, that disagrees with the current administration and its policies is racist and a hate monger. If they're black they're Uncle Tom's and a disgrace to their race. Don't you see a pattern here? Don't you think there is something wrong with that theory?
Of course you are going to say that! (As you slurp your tea). . .
The Tea Party's failure to make public statements in opposition to those candidates and individuals at their lil parties, that clearly are spewing racist and bigotry filled information and messages, indicates agreement with said actions and messages.
Dress it up anyway you like, and start spreading the smoke, but it is what it is! :yes: :yes: :yes:
I sure can't see any raceism in the Teaparty. So the have signs with Obama made to look Hitler. Obama picture made up like the murdering criminal in Batman. Obama with his picture with the hammer and sickle and Communist on it. Picture of with Nazi symbols. A few people shouting kill him. No, No they are a religious loving group of Jesus and God loving people. Hell, this happen in every election we have here in America. Gosh, their good people. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Was it racist when the same pictures were held up with Mr. Bush's face on them, or was it just another case of it's ok for us to do but not for you to do. I don't agree with either one, but I do get tired of the double standard.
There is a distinct difference in promoting messages of hate and racial bigotry as an individual, and promoting them as a member of a political party, or as an organization that represents a political party of government. One is covered by free speech, the other can be considered treasonous.
Mr. Bush was the president at the time.
Quote from: Palehorse on July 14, 2010, 05:57:47 PM
There is a distinct difference in promoting messages of hate and racial bigotry as an individual, and promoting them as a member of a political party, or as an organization that represents a political party of government. One is covered by free speech, the other can be considered treasonous.
Quote from: Palehorse on July 14, 2010, 05:15:14 PM
Of course you are going to say that! (As you slurp your tea). . .
The Tea Party's failure to make public statements in opposition to those candidates and individuals at their lil parties, that clearly are spewing racist and bigotry filled information and messages, indicates agreement with said actions and messages.
Dress it up anyway you like, and start spreading the smoke, but it is what it is! :yes: :yes: :yes:
^^
There are data to support that position as well. :wink:
Here's an example:
(http://depts.washington.edu/uwiser/tea_attitudes.PNG)
http://depts.washington.edu/uwiser/racepolitics.html
Quote from: Palehorse on July 14, 2010, 05:57:47 PM
There is a distinct difference in promoting messages of hate and racial bigotry as an individual, and promoting them as a member of a political party, or as an organization that represents a political party of government. One is covered by free speech, the other can be considered treasonous.
It's that same ole' shit that the old southern folk bantered about when the said they weren't the clan. All puffed up in their politeness and charm, they said, "We're just good folk concerned about state's rights. It has nothing to do with slavery and racism."
That kind of crap was a poor attempt to perfume the pig then, and it's just as poor of an attempt to perfume the pig today insofar as the Tea Party is concerned.
Quote from: The Troll on July 14, 2010, 05:29:13 PM
I sure can't see any raceism in the Teaparty. So the have signs with Obama made to look Hitler. Obama picture made up like the murdering criminal in Batman. Obama with his picture with the hammer and sickle and Communist on it. Picture of with Nazi symbols. A few people shouting kill him. No, No they are a religious loving group of Jesus and God loving people. Hell, this happen in every election we have here in America. Gosh, their good people. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Then by those standards any black who had a sign of Bush like that was a racist. This double standard is really BS ya know.
Quote from: me on July 14, 2010, 06:56:32 PM
Then by those standards any black who had a sign of Bush like that was a racist. This double standard is really BS ya know.
In this case, a picture like you described would have to exist and even then, I'm not sure it's a double-standard.
Show us your picture of a black person w/a sign of Bush depicted as Hitler and we'll discuss the rest.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on July 14, 2010, 07:24:58 PM
In this case, a picture like you described would have to exist and even then, I'm not sure it's a double-standard.
Show us your picture of a black person w/a sign of Bush depicted as Hitler and we'll discuss the rest.
You show me a pic of an "actual" teaparty person with signs like you're talking about.
You know every time there was a protest against Bush there were all kinds of people carrying those signs of both races so don't even try that.
Quote from: me on July 14, 2010, 07:35:18 PM
. . .
You know every time there was a protest against Bush there were all kinds of people carrying those signs of both races so don't even try that.
It was the war "they" were protesting against initially, then the Chimp lied. . . And I do not recall any formal Democratic Party endorsement of any of those protests either. . .
Quote from: me on July 14, 2010, 07:35:18 PM
You show me a pic of an "actual" teaparty person with signs like you're talking about.
. . .
(http://www.papamiket.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/obama_hitler.jpg)
(http://www.chapatimystery.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/herrbojpg.jpeg)
(http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef01157021d859970b-500wi)
(http://www.northescambia.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/pcolateaparty23.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/Obama-Nazi_comparison_-_Tea_Party_protest.jpg/616px-Obama-Nazi_comparison_-_Tea_Party_protest.jpg)
(http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/20090916TeaParty03.jpg)
Plenty more where these came from!
And FYI, when these jackasses show up at events and rallies organized by the NAACP, they are quickly and quietly relieved of their offensive materials and informed that if they become vocal or create a disturbance they will be physically removed from the site. (And are).
:biggrin: :rotfl: :biggrin:
Quote from: me on July 14, 2010, 07:35:18 PM
You show me a pic of an "actual" teaparty person with signs like you're talking about.
You know every time there was a protest against Bush there were all kinds of people carrying those signs of both races so don't even try that.
I believe you're up! While you're at it, why don't you dig up a couple w/black people holding a "Nazi Obama" sign. We really want to research this "double-standard" thing. :think:
(Thanks PH)
Quote from: Anne on July 14, 2010, 06:28:32 PM
Mr. Bush was the president at the time.
MR. BUSH, my ass. :puke:
Quote from: Palehorse on July 14, 2010, 07:54:04 PM
(http://www.papamiket.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/obama_hitler.jpg)
(http://www.chapatimystery.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/herrbojpg.jpeg)
(http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef01157021d859970b-500wi)
(http://www.northescambia.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/pcolateaparty23.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/Obama-Nazi_comparison_-_Tea_Party_protest.jpg/616px-Obama-Nazi_comparison_-_Tea_Party_protest.jpg)
(http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/20090916TeaParty03.jpg)
Plenty more where these came from!
And those are so bad because? Notice the bottom sign says Obamacare not Obama. Now you go right ahead and keep on thinking the teaparty is so bad and watch as we get closer to election 2012 and see how things start going as far as anyone who opposed Obama and wants to vote him out. I'm sorry to say this but things are more divided than ever and one of his things was he was going to unite rather than divide. I will say again.....Not everyone who opposes the administration is racist, a hate monger, or a radical. You really need to start paying attention and quickly.
Where was your outrage over this.....notice the black woman in the one pic...
http://www.binscorner.com/pages/d/death-threats-against-bush-at-protests-i.html
Quote from: me on July 14, 2010, 08:19:38 PM
And those are so bad because? Notice the bottom sign says Obamacare not Obama. Now you go right ahead and keep on thinking the teaparty is so bad and watch as we get closer to election 2012 and see how things start going as far as anyone who opposed Obama and wants to vote him out. I'm sorry to say this but things are more divided than ever and one of his things was he was going to unite rather than divide. I will say again.....Not everyone who opposes the administration is racist, a hate monger, or a radical. You really need to start paying attention and quickly.
Translation -" I got nothin' and was talking out of my 6 and parroting the party lines. . ." :rolleyes:
Did you check out my link? Are those blacks holding those signs racist? Are they 10 times worse than any the teaparty have?
Quote from: me on July 14, 2010, 08:22:48 PM
Where was your outrage over this.....notice the black woman in the one pic...
http://www.binscorner.com/pages/d/death-threats-against-bush-at-protests-i.html
Quote from: me on July 14, 2010, 08:28:15 PM
Did you check out my link? Are those blacks holding those signs racist? Are they 10 times worse than any the teaparty have?
Yes, I did notice the one black woman with the one sign. Her sign said that he was the worst President ever. Which he was based on public opinion and poll points. Obama isn't Hitler no matter how you slice it. I'm not sure about "those", but I am sure that you didn't meet your burdon of proof that there is a double standard.
Quote from: me on July 14, 2010, 08:28:15 PM
Did you check out my link? Are those blacks holding those signs racist? Are they 10 times worse than any the teaparty have?
As I previously stated, those folks were protesting the war and the fact that the Chimp lied to America. Moreover, none of them are connected with any government party, and I dare say more than a few of them appear to be republicans!
Thanks for proving my point. . . Now,
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on July 14, 2010, 08:07:33 PM
I believe you're up! While you're at it, why don't you dig up a couple w/black people holding a "Nazi Obama" sign. We really want to research this "double-standard" thing. :think:
(Thanks PH)
(CNN) - A controversial Mason City, Iowa billboard that featured President Barack Obama next to images of Adolf Hitler and Vladimir Lenin was papered over Wednesday, according to a report by the Mason City Globe Gazette.
The billboard went up last week, the local newspaper reported, and was ordered and paid for by the North Iowa Tea Party. The billboard showed Obama underneath the label "Democrat Socialism," Hitler under the label "National Socialism," and Lenin under the label "Marxist Socialism." The word "change," one of Obama's trademark slogans from his White House run, appeared beneath each of the images. And the phrase "Radical Leaders Prey on the Fearful & the Naïve" was written across the bottom of the billboard. . .
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/?fbid=qWQuFzQ04-P (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/?fbid=qWQuFzQ04-P)
The billboard was similar to the below image. Click on the link above to see the actual billboard.
(http://doctorbulldog.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/change-hitler-obama-lenin.jpg)
Just what I thought....."that's different" don't cut it sorry. Those people in the other pics were protesting the healthcare bill not Obama himself and those signs were mild in comparison. It is not fine to show Bush as Hitler and bitch about Obama being shown as Hitler....that my friends is true hypocrisy.
Quote from: me on July 14, 2010, 08:59:11 PM
Just what I thought....."that's different" don't cut it sorry. Those people in the other pics were protesting the healthcare bill not Obama himself and those signs were mild in comparison. It is not fine to show Bush as Hitler and bitch about Obama being shown as Hitler....that my friends is true hypocrisy.
And yet another "WHOOOOOSH" as another point flies right over your head and out of the park. . . You don't get it because you don't want to. You are running scared with the rest of the pack and will spin, spin, spin, to try to justify what the rest of the free world sees so clearly as wrong. Shameful, but not surprising.
It is no wonder this country has not progressed and will not. And it is also no wonder this nations oldest civil rights organization has to stand up and point out things like this. . .
Quote from: me on July 14, 2010, 08:22:48 PM
Where was your outrage over this.....notice the black woman in the one pic...
http://www.binscorner.com/pages/d/death-threats-against-bush-at-protests-i.html
Hey, I like yours. They really what I have thought in my mind about him. Obama doesn't have the deaths of the armed forces on his hands like George W. has. Just think he killed over 4,000, yes over 4,000 men and women in his oil war. No wonder he is and was so hated.
The Republican drove this country in the ditch and you dumbies want to put they behind the wheel again. Doing again what failed before, is stupidity.
I've said it before and I'll say it again:
Until we change the basic thinking of those who hate and those who live in fear, we are doomed to repeating history and failing to learn the lessons within it.
There is a distinct difference in promoting messages of hate and racial bigotry as an individual, and promoting them as a member of a political party, or as an organization that represents a political party of government. One is covered by free speech, the other can be considered treasonous.
Protesting a policy is protesting a policy and those Bush signs are just downright sick. Excuse however you want it's still wrong and saying anyone who doesn't agree with Obama's policies is a racist is also wrong. That is what is causing a ton of problems and it's called race baiting pitting us against each other and trying to shut the opposition up. If you don't see it I'm sorry for you. And for the record that didn't come from Fox news that comes from observation to whats going on around me.
Quote from: me on July 14, 2010, 10:59:34 PM
Protesting a policy is protesting a policy and those Bush signs are just downright sick. Excuse however you want it's still wrong and saying anyone who doesn't agree with Obama's policies is a racist is also wrong. That is what is causing a ton of problems and it's called race baiting pitting us against each other and trying to shut the opposition up. If you don't see it I'm sorry for you. And for the record that didn't come from Fox news that comes from observation to whats going on around me.
What about what is coming our of your present Republican leader's mouth now, everyday. Rush Limbaugh. Everyday 8 million Republican listen to him for 3 hours a day. How about that. Pure hate.
Quote from: The Troll on July 14, 2010, 11:14:42 PM
What about what is coming our of your present Republican leader's mouth now, everyday. Rush Limbaugh. Everyday 8 million Republican listen to him for 3 hours a day. How about that. Pure hate.
What about Al Franken, Rosy O., Michael Moore, that whole Air America crew, the Dixie Chicks, Barbara Streisand, Danny Glover? Don't give me that BS that garbage wasn't being spewed about Bush every day. You say....it was just their opinions...well, Rush is only giving opinions and not everyone listens to him...I don't....I don't even like Rush. Do the words FREE SPEECH mean anything to you or does that just apply to the Dems?
Quote from: me on July 15, 2010, 05:07:49 AM
What about Al Franken, Rosy O., Michael Moore, that whole Air America crew, the Dixie Chicks, Barbara Streisand, Danny Glover? Don't give me that BS that garbage wasn't being spewed about Bush every day. You say....it was just their opinions...well, Rush is only giving opinions and not everyone listens to him...I don't....I don't even like Rush. Do the words FREE SPEECH mean anything to you or does that just apply to the Dems?
"ME" you're like a weather vane in how you twist in the wind. Who in hell said anything about free speech. There has never been some many pure hatefull and just under the surface racist remarks said by the Republican Party and it's stooges since your people went after Bill Clinton. And "ME" you have heard them yourself in your "Polite" Republican surroundings. Hummmmmmmmmmmmmm?
It is total unbelievable the absolute lies told on the Democrats. If you Republicans can't find a real "bad" fact on a Democrat. You guys make them up and bring liars out from under a rock to testify it's the truth. The Republican Party has a whole section of it, devoted to "Dirty Tricks" and Republican "think tanks" to back them up.
The latest one, on your wonderful Fox News. The New Black Panther Party. All it was three 3 angry black guys. You guys are still on Obama birth, "He's not an American" Lie, lie, lie, lie after lie.
Your TeaBag Party is absolutely full of racist and a lot of mislead and stupid people "Sheeple" who are being lead by Judas Goats, Limbaugh, Palin, Beck, Backman, O'Reily, Hannity, Armey, Gingrich and some many, many Judas goats to poverty. And this country into a Corporation lead third world status. A new Mexico where there is only the rich and the poor, no middle class. You can see it every day.
And it was all started and planned by the Corporations and the rich that own them, The Republican Party, Newt Gingrich's contract for American with the hand puppet Ronald Reagan speaking for it. Yes, Reagan was just like a Muppet, with the hand of the Republican Party up inside his head moving his lips.
Free speech, your Republican and their Judas Goats misuse it every day. I've seen Micheal Moore's movies. I read one of Al Frankin's books and I seen and read read what the Dixie Chicks said and how they said it. I also seen the hatchet job the Republicans dirty trick team pulled on them. Tell me "ME" just what did they say that wasn't the truth as they seen it and the lies they told. Just to make it easy on you, tell me the lies Michael Moore told, The lies told by the Dixie Chicks and the lies Al Frankin told on the Republicans and that includes your baby George W.. The guy you voted for twice and in only 8 years all most drove us into a Herbert Hoover depression. Hummmmmmmmmm? Tell me in your words not the Republican talking points, the Fox News with Rupert Murdoch hand up in heads, moving all the talking heads lips. Tell me all of the proven facts that are lies. Hummmmmmmm?
Quote from: The Troll on July 14, 2010, 11:14:42 PM
What about what is coming our of your present Republican leader's mouth now, everyday. Rush Limbaugh. Everyday 8 million Republican listen to him for 3 hours a day. How about that. Pure hate.
are you really this stupid?........first of all, I bet you have NEVER listened to Rush Limbaugh to give an honest answer that statement you made.....secondly he has over 20 million daily listeners....it cracks me up at those of you on the left who slam Limbaugh, who have NEVER listened to him, but because he has this strong voice on American Politics, he is HATED.....I find that the left is so full of sheep, who form opinions by the mainstream media, without actually taking the time to really do any research on their own......Obama was elected by folks who knew NOTHING about him, other that what Oprah spewed about him....they watched a few minutes of the national news ranting and raving about his charismatic speaking, his "Give hope a Chance" rants....and BOOM, we have a new POTUS....but, for those of us who actually learned about him, and formed educated decisions, was casted as a racist!!!.....
Because of folks like Limbaugh, and Hannity, there was a second media outlet, who exposed the left with the truths.....and THAT is why they have gathered 20 million daily listeners.....
and now to the meat and the potato's of this thread..........it further amazes me, that the outright demonization that is taking place of millions of hard working, honest Americans, who have been 'tagged' as the tea partiers.....people who have gathered at rallies across this Country, to display their dissatisfaction of the outrageous spending that our elected officials are doing are NOW being called "racists".....this is clearly a tactic by the left, to cast a dark shadow on this group to TRY to bust up a movement that is, without a doubt GOING to change the direction that this country is going down....I have NO doubt that there have been a "very few" morons that have showed up at a few of these events and have displayed some unacceptable behaviour.....but the FACT is, the extreme VAST majority of these folks are NOT racists, but are merely angry with the tone of Washington DC....
I will tell you who IS racist, and that is the new black panther group who CLEARLY promoted Voter Intimidation this last election, in Philly, who stood at the polls with bats, and called white people "crackers" ..this man, who is the leader of this MOVEMENT...has made it public knowledge that it is time to start "Killing white people".....and their babies.....there was charges filed that accused the men of attempting to engage in, and engaging in, both voter intimidation and intimidation of individuals aiding voters...yet the Obama administration ordered it dropped – against advice of prosecutors who brought the case.
yet, the NAACP has decided that it is the Tea Party that is racist, and NOTHING is said about this radical group who IS CLEARLY provened to be of a clear case of social hatred.....
these are some sad times.....
take a minute a read this amazing story...
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=175817 (http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=175817)
No one "tagged" them as the tea party - it is the name they chose themselves.
The New Black Panther Party has been publicly shunned and castigated by the NAACP, but you wouldn't know about that would you. . . :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on July 14, 2010, 05:15:14 PM
Of course you are going to say that! (As you slurp your tea). . .
Bigots are sad little people too cowardly to stand up for their true beliefs.
So, let's see the pictures of Bush depicted as an African with a bone in his nose (and yeah, this is at a tea party rally)?
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yasDDDHAHvQ/SrKpFuXAPsI/AAAAAAAAJEc/BrBB5oQNFcA/s320/art.obama.protest.sign.cnn.jpg)
Are you going to suggest, me, that that isn't blatant racism?
How about this?
(http://iusbvision.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/tea-party-acorn2.jpg)
How about this picture of the first lady; not racist?
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_tdQibIWZXrg/SrApG32AKwI/AAAAAAAAA1k/a-Xe6L_ZeWo/s320/michelle-obama.jpg)
If these aren't enough for you, how about the tea-baggers yelling "n1gg*r" at a black congressman on his way into the House; are they not racist either?
Give me a fucking break.
Quote from: Palehorse on July 15, 2010, 07:30:07 AM
No one "tagged" them as the tea party - it is the name they chose themselves.
The New Black Panther Party has been publicly shunned and castigated by the NAACP, but you wouldn't know about that would you. . . :rolleyes:
can you provide me some evidence where they have 'shunned and castigated' the new black panther party?....that WOULD make me feel a little better about them, all I can find is that the went through the trouble to form a resolution denouncing the 'Tea Party"....as racist.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 15, 2010, 07:33:48 AM
how about the tea-baggers yelling "n1gg*r" at a black congressman on his way into the House; are they not racist either?
Give me a fucking break.
Prove it, and Andrew Brietbart will pay you $100,000 if you can prove that there was tea-baggers yelling "n1gg*r" at a black congressman on his way into the House....so put up or shut up...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 15, 2010, 07:23:08 AM
are you really this stupid?........first of all, I bet you have NEVER listened to Rush Limbaugh to give an honest answer that statement you made.....secondly he has over 20 million daily listeners....it cracks me up at those of you on the left who slam Limbaugh, who have NEVER listened to him, but because he has this strong voice on American Politics, he is HATED.....I find that the left is so full of sheep, who form opinions by the mainstream media, without actually taking the time to really do any research on their own......Obama was elected by folks who knew NOTHING about him, other that what Oprah spewed about him....they watched a few minutes of the national news ranting and raving about his charismatic speaking, his "Give hope a Chance" rants....and BOOM, we have a new POTUS....but, for those of us who actually learned about him, and formed educated decisions, was casted as a racist!!!.....
Because of folks like Limbaugh, and Hannity, there was a second media outlet, who exposed the left with the truths.....and THAT is why they have gathered 20 million daily listeners.....
and now to the meat and the potato's of this thread..........it further amazes me, that the outright demonization that is taking place of millions of hard working, honest Americans, who have been 'tagged' as the tea partiers.....people who have gathered at rallies across this Country, to display their dissatisfaction of the outrageous spending that our elected officials are doing are NOW being called "racists".....this is clearly a tactic by the left, to cast a dark shadow on this group to TRY to bust up a movement that is, without a doubt GOING to change the direction that this country is going down....I have NO doubt that there have been a "very few" morons that have showed up at a few of these events and have displayed some unacceptable behaviour.....but the FACT is, the extreme VAST majority of these folks are NOT racists, but are merely angry with the tone of Washington DC....
I will tell you who IS racist, and that is the new black panther group who CLEARLY promoted Voter Intimidation this last election, in Philly, who stood at the polls with bats, and called white people "crackers" ..this man, who is the leader of this MOVEMENT...has made it public knowledge that it is time to start "Killing white people".....and their babies.....there was charges filed that accused the men of attempting to engage in, and engaging in, both voter intimidation and intimidation of individuals aiding voters...yet the Obama administration ordered it dropped – against advice of prosecutors who brought the case.
yet, the NAACP has decided that it is the Tea Party that is racist, and NOTHING is said about this radical group who IS CLEARLY provened to be of a clear case of social hatred.....
these are some sad times.....
take a minute a read this amazing story...
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=175817 (http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=175817)
I read the first sentece of your post and just plain stopped. Henry, I'll bet you every thing I own and possess against your $500 that I have listened to Rush Limbaugh. I had him of the radio in the car coming home from Noblesville just yesterday, Wednesday. I told my wife, "well let's see what Rush is lying about today and see how long I can stand it." Turned him on and heard of all the millionaire black baseball player George Steinbrenner made. I think it was 5, he didn't know. Couldn't stand it turned the lying asshole off. Let's see the color of you money, Champ I ready to bet.
How I'll get back and read the rest of the bull shit I'm quit sure you have written. :seeya2:
Quote from: The Troll on July 15, 2010, 07:55:12 AM
I read the first sentence of your post and just plain stopped. Henry, I'll bet you every thing I own and possess against your $500 that I have listened to Rush Limbaugh. I had him of the radio in the car coming home from Noblesville just yesterday, Wednesday. I told my wife, "well let's see what Rush is lying about today and see how long I can stand it." Turned him on and heard of all the millionaire black baseball player George Steinbrenner made. I think it was 5, he didn't know. Couldn't stand it turned the lying asshole off. Let's see the color of you money, Champ I ready to bet.
How I'll get back and read the rest of the bull shit I'm quit sure you have written. :seeya2:
Oh, I'm so sorry I missed the figures. When I said 8 million, that is was what he first had when I first started to listen to him. When his show was good and interesting. I use to set my lunch time so I could listen to him.
But he has become such a Republican blow hard, Lying racist SOB, I would love for him to receive what he has put out. He can even be a DRUGGY with half of his brain tied behind his back and the rest of it on Oxycontin and get by with it and you worship what he says. WOW, what a brain you must have. Your surly must not be the brightest bulb in any package.
As far as reading anything about him. :kissit:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 15, 2010, 07:51:52 AM
Prove it, and Andrew Brietbart will pay you $100,000 if you can prove that there was tea-baggers yelling "n1gg*r" at a black congressman on his way into the House....so put up or shut up...
So if there's no video, it didn't happen; right? Guess you were never born then...be gone imaginary neocon!
Quote from: Exterminator on July 15, 2010, 08:21:50 AM
So if there's no video, it didn't happen; right? Guess you were never born then...be gone imaginary neocon!
I just said he needed some PROOF!!..didn't say it had to be a video........just some form of proof.....and NOBODY could step up.
that is because it didn't happen, it was just liberal uproar bs.....
Quote from: The Troll on July 15, 2010, 08:12:03 AM
Oh, I'm so sorry I missed the figures. When I said 8 million, that is was what he first had when I first started to listen to him. When his show was good and interesting. I use to set my lunch time so I could listen to him.
But he has become such a Republican blow hard, Lying racist SOB, I would love for him to receive what he has put out. He can even be a DRUGGY with half of his brain tied behind his back and the rest of it on Oxycontin and get by with it and you worship what he says. WOW, what a brain you must have. Your surly must not be the brightest bulb in any package.
As far as reading anything about him. :kissit:
I never said that I was a listener of his.........I just don't dislike him, because of the lies that the left report on him to try to smear him...also, why would you say he is a racist?........because that is what the main stream media told you?......he is NOT a racist.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 15, 2010, 09:20:14 AM
I never said that I was a listener of his.........I just don't dislike him, because of the lies that the left report on him to try to smear him...also, why would you say he is a racist?........because that is what the main stream media told you?......he is NOT a racist.
"Rush Limbaugh had his own view of George Steinbrenner.
"That cracker made a lot of African-American millionaires," the radio commentator said Tuesday on his show after the New York Yankees owner died at age 80. "He fired a bunch of white guys as managers left and right."
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 15, 2010, 07:23:08 AM
take a minute a read this amazing story...
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=175817 (http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=175817)
Good people of the Zone, by chance did you go to this. It is a lie, ONE BIG LIE. As usual. Go to this site.
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#38215180
This prosecution was turned down by George W and his DOJ 2 weeks before Obama took office, Holder wasn't even in his DOJ office yet.
Nice try Henry, if you every lose your job. Put an application into the Republican "Dirty Tricks Team" and show all of your posts here in the Zone and you surly get a job. Snicker, Snicker, :rotfl: :rotfl:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 15, 2010, 09:17:53 AM
I just said he needed some PROOF!!..didn't say it had to be a video........just some form of proof.....and NOBODY could step up.
that is because it didn't happen, it was just liberal uproar bs.....
Uh, witnesses?
Quote from: The Troll on July 15, 2010, 09:44:26 AM
Good people of the Zone, by chance did you go to this. It is a lie, ONE BIG LIE. As usual. Go to this site.
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#38215180 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#38215180)
This prosecution was turned down by George W and his DOJ 2 weeks before Obama took office, Holder wasn't even in his DOJ office yet.
Nice try Henry, if you every lose your job. Put an application into the Republican "Dirty Tricks Team" and show all of your posts here in the Zone and you surly get a job. Snicker, Snicker, :rotfl: :rotfl:
WRONG - AGAIN TROLL!!!
No dirty tricks by any republicans...I stated facts.....
Attorney General Holder has now been caught dismissing charges against a group calling themselves the "New Black Panthers" who were caught on tape flagrantly violating the civil rights of white voters. http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/homeland-security/108743-obama-and-democrats-playing-race-card-with-lawsuit-immigration-reform-push (http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/homeland-security/108743-obama-and-democrats-playing-race-card-with-lawsuit-immigration-reform-push)
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704862404575350983196404478.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704862404575350983196404478.html)
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/29/career-lawyers-overruled-on-voting-case/?feat=home_cube_position1 (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/29/career-lawyers-overruled-on-voting-case/?feat=home_cube_position1)
http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/friends-high-places (http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/friends-high-places)
http://blog.heritage.org/2010/05/20/dismissing-the-black-panthers-and-the-professionals-at-justice/ (http://blog.heritage.org/2010/05/20/dismissing-the-black-panthers-and-the-professionals-at-justice/)
all you got to do is google it....it DID happen, just your liberal media is not to 'keen' on reporting anything that might shine a negative light on this potus...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 15, 2010, 12:47:52 PM
WRONG - AGAIN TROLL!!!
No dirty tricks by any republicans...I stated facts.....Attorney General Holder has now been caught dismissing charges against a group calling themselves the "New Black Panthers" who were caught on tape flagrantly violating the civil rights of white voters.
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/homeland-security/108743-obama-and-democrats-playing-race-card-with-lawsuit-immigration-reform-push (http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/homeland-security/108743-obama-and-democrats-playing-race-card-with-lawsuit-immigration-reform-push)
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704862404575350983196404478.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704862404575350983196404478.html)
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/29/career-lawyers-overruled-on-voting-case/?feat=home_cube_position1 (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/29/career-lawyers-overruled-on-voting-case/?feat=home_cube_position1)
http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/friends-high-places (http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/friends-high-places)
http://blog.heritage.org/2010/05/20/dismissing-the-black-panthers-and-the-professionals-at-justice/ (http://blog.heritage.org/2010/05/20/dismissing-the-black-panthers-and-the-professionals-at-justice/)
all you got to do is google it....it DID happen, just your liberal media is not to 'keen' on reporting anything that might shine a negative light on this potus...
And then there's the truth ...
http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/adam_serwer_archive?month=07&year=2010&base_name=when_was_the_new_black_panther (http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/adam_serwer_archive?month=07&year=2010&base_name=when_was_the_new_black_panther)
http://blogs.ajc.com/cynthia-tucker/2010/07/12/bush-doj-decided-new-black-panthers-no-major-case/ (http://blogs.ajc.com/cynthia-tucker/2010/07/12/bush-doj-decided-new-black-panthers-no-major-case/)
http://mediamatters.org/research/201007070020 (http://mediamatters.org/research/201007070020)
whatever.................. :rolleyes:
did you see the video?....................a CLEAR case of voter intimidation was there..........there were individual cases of voter intimidation filed.....the man who was being charged has admitted to calling people "crackers" and a need to "kill some cracker babies"..........the charges were dropped.....every link I provided support this story...
it was in May 2009, Obama Justice Department lawyers, appointed temporarily to fill top positions in the civil rights division, ordered the case against the NBPP dismissed...try reading some of the link I provided.
You can't honestly expect anyone to take you seriously when you post "facts" that you got from Whack Nut Daily?
Quote from: Exterminator on July 15, 2010, 01:21:00 PM
You can't honestly expect anyone to take you seriously when you post "facts" that you got from Whack Nut Daily?
so disregard the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Times and the Heritage Foundation?
Do you really think they read or listen to anything we post HH?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 15, 2010, 01:14:06 PM
whatever.................. :rolleyes:
did you see the video?....................a CLEAR case of voter intimidation was there..........there were individual cases of voter intimidation filed.....the man who was being charged has admitted to calling people "crackers" and a need to "kill some cracker babies"..........the charges were dropped.....every link I provided support this story...
it was in May 2009, Obama Justice Department lawyers, appointed temporarily to fill top positions in the civil rights division, ordered the case against the NBPP dismissed...try reading some of the link I provided.
Caught Henry in a lie. :bliss: caught Henry in a Lie. :bliss: Caught Henry in a lie. :bliss:
Henry listens to Rush and Fox to much. :bliss: :flap: :bliss: :flap: :bliss:
What more can I say. :biggrin:
Stop throwing smoke Hank - The NAACP has called the Tea Party for what it is - a harborer of white supremacist jack booted thugs who intend to racially oppress persons of color!
The party of no cannot deny it any longer!
Quote from: me on July 15, 2010, 01:24:42 PM
Do you really think they read or listen to anything we post HH?
At least we
can read. :rolleyes:
Quote from: The Troll on July 15, 2010, 01:35:01 PM
Caught Henry in a lie.
You act like this is a new thing.
Quote from: me on July 15, 2010, 01:24:42 PM
Do you really think they read or listen to anything we post HH?
I know for a fact they don't or they COULD not possibly disagree with MOST of the stuff we post.... :no:
Tell me me, why do we even waste our time here?... :confused: .....I cannot figure out WHY I like these guys.....even TROLL, kind of grows on you like a fungus.. :razz: ...these guys would not last ONE minute at a conservative forum.... :no:
I keep on hoping that just ONE of them finally gets it, and I WANT to be here when they do.....sooner or later, Obama's mess is going to be blantantly obvious.... ;D ...and maybe, just maybe, ONE of them will admit to such.... :eek:
probably not though.... :no:
anyway my sister, keep on spreading the truth.... :yes: :)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 15, 2010, 01:47:30 PM
I know for a fact they don't or they COULD not possibly disagree with MOST of the stuff we post.... :no:
Tell me me, why do we even waste our time here?... :confused: .....I cannot figure out WHY I like these guys.....even TROLL, kind of grows on you like a fungus.. :razz: ...these guys would not last ONE minute at a conservative forum.... :no:
I keep on hoping that just ONE of them finally gets it, and I WANT to be here when they do.....sooner or later, Obama's mess is going to be blantantly obvious.... ;D ...and maybe, just maybe, ONE of them will admit to such.... :eek:
probably not though.... :no:
anyway my sister, keep on spreading the truth.... :yes: :)
That's all we can do. They really need to go to the library and read the real history to see what history is repeating itself instead of the changed "revised" history they're getting from the internet. I think they'd all be surprised. I just wish they'd wake up and smell the coffee before it's too late. They don't even understand it's not all Obama and it's not a game and these people are serious about destroying everything near and dear to us to attain their goal.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 15, 2010, 01:47:30 PM
even TROLL, kind of grows on you like a fungus.. :razz: ...these guys would not last ONE minute at a conservative forum.
Your fungus the Troll wouldn't last a minute. They your Republican friend would stand straight up, start screaming, telling me I was wrong, over talking me, telling to shut the fuck up and then finely CUTTING OFF MY MICOPHONE and going to black. I see it on Fox all the time. Tee Hee Hee :biggrin:
Quote from: me on July 15, 2010, 02:15:56 PM
That's all we can do. They really need to go to the library and read the real history to see what history is repeating itself instead of the changed "revised" history they're getting from the internet. I think they'd all be surprised. I just wish they'd wake up and smell the coffee before it's too late. They don't even understand it's not all Obama and it's not a game and these people are serious about destroying everything near and dear to us to attain their goal.
Yep, all we have to do is go back and read history. The history and the cause leading up to Hoover Depression. Yep, all we have to is read is history. History of the Robber Barons.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 15, 2010, 01:47:30 PM
...these guys would not last ONE minute at a conservative forum....
That's like saying we wouldn't last one minute on the bus with the retarded kids.
Quote from: The Troll on July 15, 2010, 02:22:49 PM
Yep, all we have to do is go back and read history. The history and the cause leading up to Hoover Depression. Yep, all we have to is read is history. History of the Robber Barons.
Think about to what you're responding...someone who can't correctly conjugate the most basic verbs in the English language suggesting that everyone else go read and educate themselves so they can be as enlightened as she is. Seriously, is it worth wasting your time on?
Hey alright!!!! I must have struck a nerve 'cause they're startin' with the personal attacks again...... :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on July 15, 2010, 04:32:03 PMHey alright!!!! I must have struck a nerve 'cause they're startin' with the personal attacks again...... :rolleyes:
Nobody has nerves when they have been around you for awhile. I'll bet you kid would attest to that. I sure would. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :razz:
". . .They would not listen, they're not listening still;
Perhaps they never will. . ." ~ Vincent
Quote from: Locutus on July 14, 2010, 06:37:04 PM
^^
There are data to support that position as well. :wink:
Here's an example:
(http://depts.washington.edu/uwiser/tea_attitudes.PNG)
http://depts.washington.edu/uwiser/racepolitics.html
They seem to have glossed over this one as well. ;D
Quote from: Locutus on July 15, 2010, 06:19:06 PM
They seem to have glossed over this one as well. ;D
"Denial" is not just a river in Egypt!
Alrighty then.....From here on I shall agree with the administration, Obama, and all policies put forth so I won't be labeled as a racist, bigoted, hate monger. I have seen the error of my ways and so should everyone else who doesn't agree with everything this administration does........I bow down to you oh mighty one with your vast knowledge of the business world and your vast experience running businesses which allowed you to know exactly how things work.... :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: Give me some of that Obama money to so I can live the high life with that free health care and all those side benefits of being able to get right in to see the doctor and having all those wonderful tests that I wouldn't otherwise be able to afford with those fancy medical devices made by companies who will be taxed extra because they make them and don't deserve to make a profit.... :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: I will no longer listen to opposing opinions because too much information on something as important as my well being will only confuse me and I might make a wrong decision so I need to have the decision made for me. What a relief to know that my neighbor will no longer have more than I because that would be unfair......damn what a relief that is..... :rolleyes:
Oh and on a side note: CNN had better be careful 'cause they reported a story Obama's people didn't like on the new Black Panthers and that was a no no.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 15, 2010, 01:14:06 PM
...it was in May 2009, Obama Justice Department lawyers, appointed temporarily to fill top positions in the civil rights division, ordered the case against the NBPP dismissed...try reading some of the link I provided.
I read it. I read them all. The incident happened in November 2008. It was over before the DOJ officials of the current administration took office. Granted
Career lawyers pursued the case for months...were on the verge of securing sanctions against the men earlier this month when their superiors ordered them to reverse course.. But you conveniently overlooked WHY the "career lawyers" (that's just another term for pond scum, ya know) were ordered to let it drop. From your own source:
The court had already entered a default judgment against the men on April 20.It was over. The "new black panthers" had lost. So why do you want to spend money (my money, it's federal court) and time to give these guys another chance to win? Besides, isn't some kind of double jeopardy clause at work -- you can't be tried twice for the same offense?
How many times do your guys have to win, before you're satisfied, Henry? But so long as we're into trying people for stupid stuff that has already been settled, can we file charges against Dick "Dick" Cheney for shooting his lawyer a whole bunch of years ago?
Quote from: me on July 15, 2010, 02:15:56 PM
They really need to go to the library and read the real history to see what history is repeating itself instead of the changed "revised" history they're getting from the internet.
OMG. You accused me of believing "new, revised" history when I first started posting. I asked you then for an example (a documented, verifiable example) and you came up dry.
Do you really want to start that exchange again?
I'm very confused. What the he!! history books are we supposed to read here?
The "revised history books" being adopted by Texas???????????????????????????
GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: LOsborne on July 15, 2010, 07:01:07 PM
OMG. You accused me of believing "new, revised" history when I first started posting. I asked you then for an example (a documented, verifiable example) and you came up dry.
Do you really want to start that exchange again?
I am not going to go to the library and get old books to scan into the computer just to be told I'm an idiot and the stuff on the internet is right and those books are wrong. Ain't gonna happen. If you go to the library and can even find older history books check it out for yourself.
Quote from: me on July 15, 2010, 07:11:14 PM
If you go to the library and can even find older history books check it out for yourself.
What did you have in mind. Something before "The Origin of Species" was published, maybe?
Quote from: me on July 15, 2010, 06:45:45 PM
Alrighty then.....From here on I shall agree with the administration, Obama, and all policies put forth so I won't be labeled as a racist, bigoted, hate monger. I have seen the error of my ways and so should everyone else who doesn't agree with everything this administration does........I bow down to you oh mighty one with your vast knowledge of the business world and your vast experience running businesses which allowed you to know exactly how things work.... :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: Give me some of that Obama money to so I can live the high life with that free health care and all those side benefits of being able to get right in to see the doctor and having all those wonderful tests that I wouldn't otherwise be able to afford with those fancy medical devices made by companies who will be taxed extra because they make them and don't deserve to make a profit.... :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: I will no longer listen to opposing opinions because too much information on something as important as my well being will only confuse me and I might make a wrong decision so I need to have the decision made for me. What a relief to know that my neighbor will no longer have more than I because that would be unfair......damn what a relief that is..... :rolleyes:
Oh and on a side note: CNN had better be careful 'cause they reported a story Obama's people didn't like on the new Black Panthers and that was a no no.
Hello?? Anybody home??? In case you didn't notice none of that happened because of your party of no! Any of it that did(and there isn't much let me tell you) was watered down so badly by the time it ran the gauntlet of the no boys and girls and porkers, that it wasn't worth the paper it was printed on. . .
But feel free to squeal on if it makes you feel better about yourself. . . :rolleyes:
And oh, your are trying to equate the actions of a small group with the bigotry and racism of an established political party! Apples and oranges, but go ahead a dig up some more dirt that you can mold to make it appear the NBPP is somehow associated with the democratic party. . . It'll be bullshit from the moment you create it, but go ahead. . . :rolleyes: It is clearly indicative of the republican vision you so hold so sacred. . .
Probably you would like it better if we scrapped everything after Galileo.
Palehorse, you are obviously reading those "revised" history books. I think they are called "newspapers" in the vernacular.
Quote from: LOsborne on July 15, 2010, 07:27:06 PM
Palehorse, you are obviously reading those "revised" history books. I think they are called "newspapers" in the vernacular.
Silly me! Newspapers, just for the outhouse once more!
Quote from: me on July 15, 2010, 07:11:14 PM
I am not going to go to the library and get old books to scan into the computer just to be told I'm an idiot and the stuff on the internet is right and those books are wrong. Ain't gonna happen. If you go to the library and can even find older history books check it out for yourself.
And that debate, my dear, is exactly why those in political power create history books.
That whole problem is always debated in history courses that are usually available above the high school level.
Of course, anyone with any education above a high school level is a liberal, elitist snob, who cannot possibly be trusted, so the debate is over before it has begun.
Same shit, different thread.
Last I knew there are a lot of historical documents and books, information and such available on line through the Library of Congress. (Which by the way has every version of history on its shelves. . . even the wrong ones!) A lot of the major universities also have their own libraries available electronically, but then you have to know how to access them and some of them have restricted access, limiting it to only students and alumnus. . .
Of course, you can always go to your local library, but given the declining revenue streams most municipalities are experiencing, you had better call ahead to make sure they are open.
Whatever you do, do not trust anything electronic! Only hard cover history books will do, and those must have been written well before the 16th century! (Try finding even one at the local library!)
Quote from: followsthewolf on July 15, 2010, 07:35:18 PM
And that debate, my dear, is exactly why those in political power create history books.
That whole problem is always debated in history courses that are usually available above the high school level.
Of course, anyone with any education above a high school level is a liberal, elitist snob, who cannot possibly be trusted, so the debate is over before it has begun.
Same shit, different thread.
I loved those debates, at first because I found them interesting, then because they ate up lecture time, but then I lost my interest and I wanted to puke after about the tenth time I endured one. . . :mad: Its like being in Ground Hog Day! :yes:
Quote from: Palehorse on July 15, 2010, 07:44:39 PM
....I wanted to puke after about the tenth time I endured one.
I always tried to inject ELFs into the discussion right about then.
Quote from: LOsborne on July 15, 2010, 07:54:37 PM
I always tried to inject ELFs into the discussion right about then.
The Christian University I attended would have sacked me for such thoughts! :yes:
Quote from: Palehorse on July 15, 2010, 07:55:52 PM
The Christian University I attended would have sacked me for such thoughts! :yes:
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Quote from: Palehorse on July 15, 2010, 07:25:36 PM
Hello?? Anybody home??? In case you didn't notice none of that happened because of your party of no! Any of it that did(and there isn't much let me tell you) was watered down so badly by the time it ran the gauntlet of the no boys and girls and porkers, that it wasn't worth the paper it was printed on. . .
But feel free to squeal on if it makes you feel better about yourself. . . :rolleyes:
And oh, your are trying to equate the actions of a small group with the bigotry and racism of an established political party! Apples and oranges, but go ahead a dig up some more dirt that you can mold to make it appear the NBPP is somehow associated with the democratic party. . . It'll be bullshit from the moment you create it, but go ahead. . . :rolleyes: It is clearly indicative of the republican vision you so hold so sacred. . .
Oh I know they aren't affiliated with Obama and the only reason they had the night stick was in case a Kracker attacked them while they were trying to keep things running smoothly at the polling place. That NBPP has it happenin' man...they know where it's at. All those videos of Shabaz were edited and he didn't really say all those things they're accusing him of....damn those teapartiers anyway....they're such a bunch of morons..... >:(
Quote from: Palehorse on July 15, 2010, 07:25:36 PM
Hello?? Anybody home???
No, that ship sailed a long time ago. :biggrin:
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on July 15, 2010, 08:00:42 PM
No, that ship sailed a long time ago. :biggrin:
It was its remnants that they found beneath the WTC grounds???? :spooked:
Quote from: LOsborne on July 15, 2010, 07:58:00 PM
You say that like it's a bad thing.
It would have been at the time. . . The man had me under his thumb! :yes:
Quote from: me on July 15, 2010, 07:58:29 PM
Oh I know they aren't affiliated with Obama and the only reason they had the night stick was in case a Kracker attacked them while they were trying to keep things running smoothly at the polling place. That NBPP has it happenin' man...they know where it's at. All those videos of Shabaz were edited and he didn't really say all those things they're accusing him of....damn those teapartiers anyway....they're such a bunch of morons..... >:(
You frickin TP's will make the NBPP look like Shirley Temple, (To use a name you will recognize from history), if you continue to suck up to the neo nazi's that you are backing!
Again, apples and oranges. . . :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on July 15, 2010, 08:09:51 PM
You frickin TP's will make the NBPP look like Shirley Temple, (To use a name you will recognize from history), if you continue to suck up to the neo nazi's that you are backing!
Again, apples and oranges. . . :rolleyes:
Oh no, I'm behind Obama and Shabaz 100%....Oh, and the current administration team...fine bunch of people. :yes: