(CNN) -- Gen. Stanley McChrystal, America's top military commander in Afghanistan, has been recalled to Washington after his controversial remarks about colleagues in a Rolling Stone article, officials said.
McChrystal was summoned to attend a meeting on Afghanistan and Pakistan in person rather than by video conference, a senior administration official said Tuesday.
"He has been recalled to Washington," another official said.
McChrystal apologized Tuesday for the profile, in which the general and his staff appear to mock top civilian officials, including the vice president. Two defense officials said the general has also fired a press aide over the article, set to appear in Friday's edition of Rolling Stone magazine. . .
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/06/22/general.mcchrystal.obama.apology/index.html?hpt=T1 (http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/06/22/general.mcchrystal.obama.apology/index.html?hpt=T1)
"All options are on the table", according to Gibbs surrounding the potential corrective action under consideration for McChrystal's grave and very serious error in judgment. . . .
Going to be a new top dog in Afghanistan! :yes:
Quote from: Palehorse on June 22, 2010, 01:08:37 PM
(CNN) -- Gen. Stanley McChrystal, America's top military commander in Afghanistan, has been recalled to Washington after his controversial remarks about colleagues in a Rolling Stone article, officials said.
McChrystal was summoned to attend a meeting on Afghanistan and Pakistan in person rather than by video conference, a senior administration official said Tuesday.
"He has been recalled to Washington," another official said.
McChrystal apologized Tuesday for the profile, in which the general and his staff appear to mock top civilian officials, including the vice president. Two defense officials said the general has also fired a press aide over the article, set to appear in Friday's edition of Rolling Stone magazine. . .
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/06/22/general.mcchrystal.obama.apology/index.html?hpt=T1 (http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/06/22/general.mcchrystal.obama.apology/index.html?hpt=T1)
"All options are on the table", according to Gibbs surrounding the potential corrective action under consideration for McChrystal's grave and very serious error in judgment. . . .
Going to be a new top dog in Afghanistan! :yes:
It must have been the 9 miles he runs every day and the 4 hours of sleep a day he gets every day and probably the 1 meal a day he eats every day. Noboby can do this with out doing damage to his body. It surely was damage to his brain and his mouth.
The Troll :flag: :salute:
Well, he went to the wood shed last year and got spanked. Now he's going to get fired! :yes:
Him being fired wouldn't surprise me. He's always been sort of a loose cannon and "do it my way or else" kinda' guy.
Quote from: Locutus on June 22, 2010, 02:21:36 PM
Him being fired wouldn't surprise me. He's always been sort of a loose cannon and "do it my way or else" kinda' guy.
Indeed he has. The only reason he is in charge in that theatre of operations is due to the support he received from the POTUS and his administration, and to turn around and allow something like this to transpire, and to actively participate in it himself, calls into severe question his ability to successfully achieve the objectives of the operation, and maintain the respect of those whom he is charged with leading.
I'm betting they were hooching it up one or two nights and that article is the result.
Ol Stash should have listened to my daddy's advice to me; "You do not have to like or respect the individual, but you do have to respect the office or position the individual holds." :yes:
Quote from: Palehorse on June 22, 2010, 02:28:41 PM
Ol Stash should have listened to my daddy's advice to me; "You do not have to like or respect the individual, but you do have to respect the office or position the individual holds." :yes:
I agree, especially with his position.....and why did he do a "rolling stones" interview in the first place?....THAT alone seems like crossing Military ethics....he should step down.....THEN, do his interviews if he wants, but NOT while he is in his position.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 22, 2010, 02:34:47 PM
I agree, especially with his position.....and why did he do a "rolling stones" interview in the first place?....THAT alone seems like crossing Military ethics....he should step down.....THEN, do his interviews if he wants, but NOT while he is in his position.
Clearly indicative of one who doesn't have a firm grasp on what "chain of command" means, or if he does, he possesses no respect for it.
If he isn't authoring his resignation on the trip back to the states, he'll have his head handed to him by the POTUS. :yes:
Quote from: Palehorse on June 22, 2010, 02:41:13 PM
Clearly indicative of one who doesn't have a firm grasp on what "chain of command" means, or if he does, he possesses no respect for it.
If he isn't authoring his resignation on the trip back to the states, he'll have his head handed to him by the POTUS. :yes:
I'm sure he knows EXACTLY what the chain of command means.....and I would be he has respect for the position, just NOT the man in the position......but, THAT is still wrong no mater how you slice it.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 22, 2010, 03:01:24 PM
I'm sure he knows EXACTLY what the chain of command means.....and I would be he has respect for the position, just NOT the man in the position......but, THAT is still wrong no mater how you slice it.
If he had any measure of respect for the positions those he was critical of held, he'd have kept his pie hole shut; but he didn't.
Quote from: Palehorse on June 22, 2010, 03:04:22 PM
If he had any measure of respect for the positions those he was critical of held, he'd have kept his pie hole shut; but he didn't.
....I agree....he should have kept his pie hole shut...
The writer might want to get his tail out of that country too. . . :spooked:
A source I have tells me that McChrystal has already submitted his resignation . . . :yes:
Quote from: Palehorse on June 22, 2010, 04:20:26 PM
A source I have tells me that McChrystal has already submitted his resignation . . . :yes:
CNN just made the same statement! :spooked:
Quote from: Palehorse on June 22, 2010, 04:20:26 PM
A source I have tells me that McChrystal has already submitted his resignation . . . :yes:
you know I think there is more made of this than what it appears...and I am not making excuses for McChrystal, because he said what he said, but Rolling Stone I"m sure took random statements said in heated conversations....and RAN to the press to release this.....it was poor judgement I think for McChrystal to do an interview with ANYONE, let alone Rolling Stone....I don't think this is a good thing for the WH either, because McChrystal may have MORE (unflattering) things to say IF he leaves his post....and it is also not good for our soldiers during a war time...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 22, 2010, 04:28:47 PM
you know I think there is more made of this than what it appears...and I am not making excuses for McChrystal, because he said what he said, but Rolling Stone I"m sure took random statements said in heated conversations....and RAN to the press to release this.....it was poor judgement I think for McChrystal to do an interview with ANYONE, let alone Rolling Stone....I don't think this is a good thing for the WH either, because McChrystal may have MORE (unflattering) things to say IF he leaves his post....and it is also not good for our soldiers during a war time...
Well, the author of the article says there were "plenty of additional remarks, but those were off the record so he left them out".
I certainly believe that at
minimum McCrystal and
his staff should be brought up on charges under article 88 of the UCMJ:
Quote888. ART. 88. CONTEMPT TOWARD OFFICIALS
Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
http://www.constitution.org/mil/ucmj19970615.htm (http://www.constitution.org/mil/ucmj19970615.htm)
Certainly their words and actions are contemptuous and serve to undermine morale and support for the current initiative and the chain of command. I would not be surprised to find out the author has taped recordings of the statements he utilized, and if so these may be used within a potential court-martial proceeding.
There is no excuse for those statements being made to any member of the press or within any public venue, by an officer of the US military or his / her staff, and every single one of them know it. They are insubordinate! :mad:
20-30 minute meeting. . . and he left the WH. . .
Obama is going to make a statement at 1:30 PM Eastern. The news outlets are going to carry it live.
BREAKING NEWS: Sources tell NBC that President Obama has relieved Gen. McChrystal of command.
No surprise there.
word is General Petraus is going to replace McChrystal...
Yep, yep, yep!
I'm hearing the same things and that McChrystal is not even going to be allowed to go back to Afghanistan to retrieve his personal belongings. They are going to have his stuff packed up and shipped to him.
The interesting part is going to be how many more are going to be relieved over this. I will not be surprised to see several of his aids being brought up before a court martial on article 88 charges. . . :yes: :yes: :yes:
Here we go. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on June 23, 2010, 01:36:05 PM
The interesting part is going to be how many more are going to be relieved over this. I will not be surprised to see several of his aids being brought up before a court martial on article 88 charges. . . :yes: :yes: :yes:
from what I have read, it sounds like his aids was more critical than he was....I bet ya, there will be NO court martial for any of them...
and for the life of me, why would a sound minded general such as McChrystal ever allow someone like Rolling Stone to EVER do an interview?.......that is and was his BIGGEST mistake.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 23, 2010, 01:47:34 PM
from what I have read, it sounds like his aids was more critical than he was....I bet ya, there will be NO court martial for any of them...
and for the life of me, why would a sound minded general such as McChrystal ever allow someone like Rolling Stone to EVER do an interview?.......that is and was his BIGGEST mistake.
You can bet they will be soundly disciplined by the incoming general, if no one else does anything beforehand. At minimum they've lost their good conduct medals and are going to receive notations in their personnel files.
McC's biggest mistake was forgetting his responsibilities as the leader, and apparently putting an effort to build friendship over his leadership responsibilities. He knew damned good and well his responsibilities under the UCMJ. . . which is why he resigned.
No, his biggest mistake was overestimating his own importance. Military leaders are not there to make policy; they are there to enforce it.
Truman fired MaCarther, Lincoln fired McDowell,McClellan 2x, Pope, Burnside, Hooker, and now Obama has fired McChrystal.
Quote from: Exterminator on June 23, 2010, 02:04:29 PM
No, his biggest mistake was overestimating his own importance. Military leaders are not there to make policy; they are there to enforce it.
And most importantly implement it. :yes:
Implement is a better choice of words.
Quote from: Palehorse on June 23, 2010, 02:06:14 PM
Truman fired MaCarther, Lincoln fired McDowell,McClellan 2x, Pope, Burnside, Hooker, and now Obama has fired McChrystal.
Don't forget Michael Dugan - fired by Cheney - 1990.
Quote from: Olias on June 23, 2010, 03:20:48 PM
Don't forget Michael Dugan - fired by Cheney - 1990.
Yeah, and the guy who McC replaced was fired as well. . .
I sincerely hope that the members of congress involved in the confirmation hearings for McC's replacement, do not let their unspoken policy of practicing obstructionist politics infect the process and delay his confirmation.
Doing so would be a huge slap in the face to our men and women in the theatre of operations, as well as a major setback toward progression within the initiative.
. . .and listening to McCain't's remarks I have a strong suspicion that they will. . . :mad:
Quote from: Palehorse on June 23, 2010, 03:41:10 PM
. . .and listening to McCain't's remarks I have a strong suspicion that they will. . . :mad:
I cannot imagine anyone not accepting Petraeus....I think he was a GREAT pick...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 25, 2010, 08:21:41 AM
I cannot imagine anyone not accepting Petraeus....I think he was a GREAT pick...
You can't get to the top of the military or a large corporation with out being or thinking your a big Prick or Dick. It comes with the job, it's called Power.
A military source close to Gen. David Petraeus told Fox News that one of the first things the general will do when he takes over in Afghanistan is to modify the controversial rules of engagement to make it easier for U.S. troops to engage in combat with the enemy.
Troops on the ground and some military commanders have said the strict rules -- aimed at preventing civilian casualties ...have effectively forced the troops to fight with one hand tied bhind their backs...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 25, 2010, 04:23:00 PM
A military source close to Gen. David Petraeus told Fox News that one of the first things the general will do when he takes over in Afghanistan is to modify the controversial rules of engagement to make it easier for U.S. troops to engage in combat with the enemy.
Troops on the ground and some military commanders have said the strict rules -- aimed at preventing civilian casualties ...have effectively forced the troops to fight with one hand tied bhind their backs...
You know, I wish we could go back and fight these wars like we fought the World War II war. We killed them, we smashed them, we tore up every thing they had and we made the enemy jump through the hoops we gave them. If they didn't we killed them or we put the lousy asses in prison for a long time. Our enemy would damn well know who won the god damn war. No ands, ifs or buts.
When your in a fire fight with the enemy kill all of the son of bitches, let god separate the out the good ones. If we had fought these wars, the way wars should be fought, these wars would have been over 4 years ago and the Military complex and the predatory capitalist wouldn't be so rich.
In Wars and Battles second place sucks. If you're going to fight, fight to win and fight to do it in the quickest time. Time save lives and money. I like what General Le May said about Vietnam. Give me 7 days and SAC and we will win this war. It pretty hard to fight a war out of a bomb crater. The people and government didn't listen and you see what it got us. Nothing, but 54,000 of our boys killed and millions and millions of dollars spent. For Nothing.
:flag: :flag: :flag: :flag: :flag: The Troll :tiphat:
(http://theunknownzone.us/smf/file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/COMPAQ%7E1/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot.png)I thin Petraeus was the better choice in the first place...he organized the surge in Iraq and was very, very successful despite what his adversaries kept saying.....he got the troops he asked for, and a green light to fight the war the way it needed to be fought, and in a short time, we accomplished his task and had very few to no casualties....
What ever the man says we need to win the assigned mission in Afghanistan, our POTUS needs to fully comply with him and support him.....not give him 1/2 of the troops that is asked.....I'm also curious, how our POTUS is going to handle his promise to pull out our troops next year....I hope and pray that we are in a position to actually do this....it is time to bring this whole thing to an end.