http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100603/D9G3LQE00.html (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100603/D9G3LQE00.html)
Can you imagine, two outs, bottom of the ninth inning....you are one pitch away from a PERFECT GAME and the umpire calls a guy 'safe' at first, when it was CLEARLY an out?............. :spooked:
the replays cleary shows that the runner was out....but the blown call will keep Detroits Armando Galarraga from joining a handful of players to ever do so......
Should the commisioner step in and in an unprecidented move and correct this or should he just let this be?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 03, 2010, 09:08:04 AM
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Can you imagine, two outs, bottom of the ninth inning....you are one pitch away from a PERFECT GAME and the umpire calls a guy 'safe' at first, when it was CLEARLY an out?............. :spooked:
the replays cleary shows that the runner was out....but the blown call will keep Detroits Armando Galarraga from joining a handful of players to ever do so......
Should the commisioner step in and in an unprecidented move and correct this or should he just let this be?
You have heard it many many times, he was ROBBED. Well, he was. If they do right by him, I wouldn't bet on it.
It's just a kids game, so who cares????
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 03, 2010, 09:08:04 AM
Should the commisioner step in and in an unprecidented move and correct this or should he just let this be?
Although it would make everyone feel better if Selig did step in and reverse the call, but would that set a bad precedent? I'm not sure one way or the other; I'm just putting it out there.
It is what it is under the current rules (no replay). Let it stand. Calls go both ways, and errors are made all the time.
If the uproar is great enough, MLB may change its stand and allow instant replays.
I tend to agree with that FTW. However, I'm not sure about instant replays in baseball. Although they would have served well in this particular instance, baseball games are long enough in my opinion. Instant replay could make what's already a very long game even longer.
I really don't support instant replay in baseball. I'm too much of a traditionalist (too many years of playing the sport on several levels, I guess).
Just gotta suck it up when you get the short end of the stick on a bad call -- and it WILL happen, what with umpires being human and all.
On your second note, I think umpires can hurry up the game a bit by getting the gawd-awfullly slow pitchers and batters to get a move on (like the Red Sox -- Yankees games earlier this year).
I don't know. . . I think if they did it right it wouldn't necessarily contribute to lengthening the game much. Maybe providing 3 manager's challenges to each side???
Baseball is supposed to be the great American past-time, and as such it has historically represented our society. It may be time for an update to that representation. . .
BUT, in this case I have to say tough luck to the pitcher. . . Call made, end of story. . . Until they incorporate it into the game, instant replay is meaningless to the game. . .
Sounds like a decision has been made. No reversal of the call.
http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=937333
Quote from: Locutus on June 03, 2010, 04:49:10 PM
Sounds like a decision has been made. No reversal of the call.
http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=937333
Yup! As it should be. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on June 03, 2010, 04:49:43 PM
Yup! As it should be. . .
For the most part I agree with you PH, but in this particular case, changing this call does not change the outcome of the game, and it DOES fix a wrong and make it right for a young man, who DID pitch a Perfect Game...the commisioner is NOT overruling this UMP, because the UMP admits he made the wrong call....this is a rare and unique case, and I think it would be the RIGHT thing to do.....imo
But, as Locutus pointed out earlier, it sets a precedent that could have very damaging implications toward the league if they should do so. That is the problem. There's no question the ump was wrong, the problem is the fallout from reversing the call. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on June 03, 2010, 04:57:37 PM
But, as Locutus pointed out earlier, it sets a precedent that could have very damaging implications toward the league if they should do so. That is the problem. There's no question the ump was wrong, the problem is the fallout from reversing the call. . .
such as?
And it appears the commish is doing what he should:
[Updated at 2:49 p.m.] Major League Baseball Commissioner Bud Selig said he will reexamine the umpiring system and the use of instant replay in the wake of the debate over Armando Galarraga's perfect game.
Umpire Jim Joyce called Jason Donald safe at first with two outs in the ninth inning of the Detroit Tigers game much to the chagrin of fans. Joyce later admitted he made the wrong call.
"As Jim Joyce said in his postgame comments, there is no dispute that last night's game should have ended differently. While the human element has always been an integral part of baseball, it is vital that mistakes on the field be addressed. Given last night's call and other recent events, I will examine our umpiring system, the expanded use of instant replay and all other related features. Before I announce any decisions, I will consult with all appropriate parties, including our two unions and the Special Committee for On-Field Matters, which consists of field managers, general managers, club owners and presidents."
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/03/perfect-mistake-reignites-mlb-replay-debate/?hpt=T3 (http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/03/perfect-mistake-reignites-mlb-replay-debate/?hpt=T3)
Lets just hope it doesn't include the call of balls and strikes at the plate! THAT would be VERY bad! :spooked:
What I say is what is fair is fair. You don't need instant replay. We already have the a moving picture of what really happened. We can actually see :eye: what happened.
The man was robbed. :@#%&: A one in a life time chance and he was robbed by a blind umpire. We need the "Chicken" with his eye chart and give him an eye test. :eye:
I say change the call. The game was already won and the blind as a bat :bat: umpire screwed it up. Commissioner :kick: Troll.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 03, 2010, 05:02:56 PM
such as?
For example:
The Yankees beat the Orioles 5-4 in Game 1 of the 1996 ALCS when 12-year-old fan Jeffrey Maier reaches over the fence and catches Derek Jeter's flyball to right before Baltimore right fielder Tony Tarasco can make a play. Umpire Rich Garcia, who has run out to the right-field wall, fails to call fan interference on the play and rules the ball a game-tying homer. The Yanks go on to win the game on Bernie Williams' homer in the 11th.
History is filled with a ton of bad calls by umpires that ended up negatively impacting the game. . . and stats. . .
In ALCS Game 4 last year, within a span of 11 batters, umpires Dale Scott and Tim McClelland blew three calls so badly that it was beyond belief!
Scott called Nick Swisher safe on a pickoff play at second base in which he was tagged on the hands (he was diving headfirst) before the base even appeared in the replay. McClelland took a run off the board when he called Swisher out on appeal for leaving third base early, when replays clearly showed he was wrong.
Then McClelland somehow called Robinson Cano safe after he was tagged when he was standing still, two feet off third base. (McClelland, who is a very good and respected umpire, owned up to his mistakes after the game.)
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/tom_verducci/10/21/five.cuts/index.html (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/tom_verducci/10/21/five.cuts/index.html)
Quote from: followsthewolf on June 03, 2010, 03:07:11 PM
I really don't support instant replay in baseball. I'm too much of a traditionalist (too many years of playing the sport on several levels, I guess).
Just gotta suck it up when you get the short end of the stick on a bad call -- and it WILL happen, what with umpires being human and all.
I'm with you, FTW. Bad calls happen. Applause to Mr. Joyce for the apology, but he is paid to call 'em as he sees 'em -- and that's how he saw that one at the time.
Besides, Galarraga will probably still get mentioned in the trivia books -- and with an
asterisk! Woo-hoo!
Quote from: Palehorse on June 03, 2010, 05:08:24 PM
For example:
The Yankees beat the Orioles 5-4 in Game 1 of the 1996 ALCS when 12-year-old fan Jeffrey Maier reaches over the fence and catches Derek Jeter's flyball to right before Baltimore right fielder Tony Tarasco can make a play. Umpire Rich Garcia, who has run out to the right-field wall, fails to call fan interference on the play and rules the ball a game-tying homer. The Yanks go on to win the game on Bernie Williams' homer in the 11th.
History is filled with a ton of bad calls by umpires that ended up negatively impacting the game. . . and stats. . .
I am talking STRICTLY in a situation like Galarraga, reversing THIS call does not impact the game what so ever.....but it DOES right a wrong....I think the Commish has the power to overturn a very uinque situation....it does NOT mean or set any precedent for games like you just mentinoned...where reversing a call DOES impact the results of a game.....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 04, 2010, 08:39:25 AM
I am talking STRICTLY in a situation like Galarraga, reversing THIS call does not impact the game what so ever.....but it DOES right a wrong....I think the Commish has the power to overturn a very uinque situation....it does NOT mean or set any precedent for games like you just mentinoned...where reversing a call DOES impact the results of a game.....
But it does open the possibility of dialog surrounding the possibility no? (And legal action by proxy).
Quote from: Palehorse on June 04, 2010, 08:47:36 AM
But it does open the possibility of dialog surrounding the possibility no? (And legal action by proxy).
You may be right in this 'sue happy' world that we live in, but I think THAT those type of decisions should be left up to the commisioner....and in this case, he should take a wrong and make it right...............especially since ALL parties are in agreement that there was a mistake........(players and the ump)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 04, 2010, 09:37:33 AM
You may be right in this 'sue happy' world that we live in, but I think THAT those type of decisions should be left up to the commisioner....and in this case, he should take a wrong and make it right...............especially since ALL parties are in agreement that there was a mistake........(players and the ump)
And when you consider that the league is responsible for the oversight of thousands of "workers", the majority of which are multi-millionaires, just what do you think the odds are that there will be a line of them wanting to sue to get their stats boosted?
Naw, leave it alone and avoid the costs of money and time, and use both to incorporate an instant replay policy that makes sense and doesn't negatively impact the game moving forward.
again, we gotta agee to disagree....
I say have some balls, and be the man, and make the right call..... :yes: ...and move on.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 04, 2010, 09:59:22 AM
again, we gotta agee to disagree....
I say have some balls, and be the man, and make the right call..... :yes: ...and move on.
Henry, please don't talk about having balls and being a man. :nocomment:
But on the bad call, let's make it easy. IT WAS WRONG. NOT DOUBT, NOT RIGHT. Make it right and fair. To hell with all of that bullshit of past history. Do what is right. The man had a no hitter. FACT, I've seen the pictures.
Okay, Keeping on a baseball theme, did you hear about this kid for the Washington Nationals? a 100 mph fast ball?....and a a physics-defying curveball?...set a a Nationals team record with 14 strikouts?
Strasburg, a 21-year-old San Diego native, arrived at Nationals Park 364 days after being selected with the first overall pick of the 2009 draft, nearly 10 months after signing the most lucrative contract in the history of baseball's draft -- $15.1 million -- and 58 days after making his professional debut as a member of the Class AA Harrisburg Senators in Altoona, Pa. Those 58 days, as Strasburg abused minor league batters at two different levels across New York and Pennsylvania, only served to grow his legend and heighten anticipation among Nationals fans.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/08/AR2010060805223_pf.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/08/AR2010060805223_pf.html)
THIS is what baseball needs, a shot in the arm with some NEW and exciting talent....
Jay Leno:
The only commercial airline in Iraq, Iraqi Airways, folded this week. The CEO says the company could not survive in a market where everybody in the country is on the No-Fly list. :laugh:
Quote from: JANADELE on June 10, 2010, 01:29:55 PM
Jay Leno:
The only commercial airline in Iraq, Iraqi Airways, folded this week. The CEO says the company could not survive in a market where everybody in the country is on the No-Fly list. :laugh:
Now that was a good one, keep them coming. Welcome Newbie Janadele you're in the the best forum on the zone. Hang on we got a lot of weird characters here in the depths of the Unknown Zone.
The Troll :flag: :dark: :seeya2: