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Henry Hawk

June 03, 2010, 09:08:04 AM
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100603/D9G3LQE00.html

Can you imagine, two outs, bottom of the ninth inning....you are one pitch away from a PERFECT GAME and the umpire calls a guy 'safe' at first, when it was CLEARLY an out?............. :spooked:

the replays cleary shows that the runner was out....but the blown call will keep Detroits Armando Galarraga from joining a handful of players to ever do so......

Should the commisioner step in and in an unprecidented move and correct this or should he just let this be?
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
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The Troll

#1
June 03, 2010, 01:33:32 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 03, 2010, 09:08:04 AM
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100603/D9G3LQE00.html

Can you imagine, two outs, bottom of the ninth inning....you are one pitch away from a PERFECT GAME and the umpire calls a guy 'safe' at first, when it was CLEARLY an out?............. :spooked:

the replays cleary shows that the runner was out....but the blown call will keep Detroits Armando Galarraga from joining a handful of players to ever do so......

Should the commisioner step in and in an unprecidented move and correct this or should he just let this be?

  You have heard it many many times, he was ROBBED.  Well, he was.  If they do right by him, I wouldn't bet on it.

Mr442

#2
June 03, 2010, 01:43:14 PM
It's just a kids game, so who cares????
Mr442

Locutus

#3
June 03, 2010, 01:48:07 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 03, 2010, 09:08:04 AM


Should the commisioner step in and in an unprecidented move and correct this or should he just let this be?


Although it would make everyone feel better if Selig did step in and reverse the call, but would that set a bad precedent?  I'm not sure one way or the other; I'm just putting it out there. 
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followsthewolf

#4
June 03, 2010, 02:11:14 PM
It is what it is under the current rules (no replay). Let it stand. Calls go both ways, and errors are made all the time.

If the uproar is great enough, MLB may change its stand and allow instant replays.
Ignorance and fanaticism are ravenous. They require constant feeding.

Locutus

#5
June 03, 2010, 03:01:42 PM
I tend to agree with that FTW.  However, I'm not sure about instant replays in baseball.  Although they would have served well in this particular instance, baseball games are long enough in my opinion.  Instant replay could make what's already a very long game even longer.
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

followsthewolf

#6
June 03, 2010, 03:07:11 PM
I really don't support instant replay in baseball. I'm too much of a traditionalist (too many years of playing the sport on several levels, I guess).

Just gotta suck it up when you get the short end of the stick on a bad call -- and it WILL happen, what with umpires being human and all.

On your second note, I think umpires can hurry up the game a bit by getting the gawd-awfullly slow pitchers and batters to get a move on (like the Red Sox -- Yankees games earlier this year).
Ignorance and fanaticism are ravenous. They require constant feeding.

Palehorse

#7
June 03, 2010, 03:15:56 PM
I don't know. . . I think if they did it right it wouldn't necessarily contribute to lengthening the game much. Maybe providing 3 manager's challenges to each side???

Baseball is supposed to be the great American past-time, and as such it has historically represented our society. It may be time for an update to that representation. . .

BUT, in this case I have to say tough luck to the pitcher. . . Call made, end of story. . . Until they incorporate it into the game, instant replay is meaningless to the game. . .
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Locutus

#8
June 03, 2010, 04:49:10 PM
Sounds like a decision has been made.   No reversal of the call.

http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=937333
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Palehorse

#9
June 03, 2010, 04:49:43 PM
Quote from: Locutus on June 03, 2010, 04:49:10 PM
Sounds like a decision has been made.   No reversal of the call.

http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=937333

Yup! As it should be. . .
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That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

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Henry Hawk

#10
June 03, 2010, 04:53:34 PM
Quote from: Palehorse on June 03, 2010, 04:49:43 PM
Yup! As it should be. . .

For the most part I agree with you PH, but in this particular case, changing this call does not change the outcome of the game, and it DOES fix a wrong and make it right for a young man, who DID pitch a Perfect Game...the commisioner is NOT overruling this UMP, because the UMP admits he made the wrong call....this is a rare and unique case, and I think it would be the RIGHT thing to do.....imo
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Palehorse

#11
June 03, 2010, 04:57:37 PM
But, as Locutus pointed out earlier, it sets a precedent that could have very damaging implications toward the league if they should do so. That is the problem. There's no question the ump was wrong, the problem is the fallout from reversing the call. . .
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

Henry Hawk

#12
June 03, 2010, 05:02:56 PM
Quote from: Palehorse on June 03, 2010, 04:57:37 PM
But, as Locutus pointed out earlier, it sets a precedent that could have very damaging implications toward the league if they should do so. That is the problem. There's no question the ump was wrong, the problem is the fallout from reversing the call. . .

such as?
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Palehorse

#13
June 03, 2010, 05:04:49 PM
And it appears the commish is doing what he should:

[Updated at 2:49 p.m.] Major League Baseball Commissioner Bud Selig said he will reexamine the umpiring system and the use of instant replay in the wake of the debate over Armando Galarraga's perfect game.

Umpire Jim Joyce called Jason Donald safe at first with two outs in the ninth inning of the Detroit Tigers game much to the chagrin of fans. Joyce later admitted he made the wrong call.

"As Jim Joyce said in his postgame comments, there is no dispute that last night's game should have ended differently.  While the human element has always been an integral part of baseball, it is vital that mistakes on the field be addressed.  Given last night's call and other recent events, I will examine our umpiring system, the expanded use of instant replay and all other related features.  Before I announce any decisions, I will consult with all appropriate parties, including our two unions and the Special Committee for On-Field Matters, which consists of field managers, general managers, club owners and presidents."

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/03/perfect-mistake-reignites-mlb-replay-debate/?hpt=T3

Lets just hope it doesn't include the call of balls and strikes at the plate! THAT would be VERY bad!  :spooked:
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

The Troll

#14
June 03, 2010, 05:07:19 PM


What I say is what is fair is fair.  You don't need instant replay.  We already have the a moving picture of what really happened.   We can actually see :eye: what happened.

  The man was robbed. :@#%&:  A one in a life time chance and he was robbed by a blind umpire.  We need the "Chicken" with his eye chart and give him an eye test. :eye:

   I say change the call.  The game was already won and the blind as a bat :bat: umpire screwed it up.                                                       Commissioner :kick: Troll.
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