How smart is this? :rolleyes:
Well, Mr. President, maybe when you come to the city for a political fund-raiser today you can explain how you can allow cuts in funding to protect those of us who live, work and raise our kids in the terrorists' bull's-eye.
Cuts that come in the immediate aftermath of the attempted car bombing in Times Square.
Which came in the aftermath of the attempted bombings in the subway.
Which came in the aftermath of a dozen other attempted attacks.
Which came in the aftermath of the mass murder of thousands on 9/11.
All of which came before the next attempt, which is sure to come.
Most experts think the chances are better than ever it will be in the subways. Yet the Department of Homeland Security is cutting our transit funding from $153 million to $111 million.
Money to protect the port is being cut from $45 million to $33.8 million.
A government official who is privy to some of the intelligence that is summarized each day for the President says there is a "constant threat stream" regarding New York.
"Absolute insanity," the official said of the cuts.
The Homeland Security Department is trying to duck the blame for the subway part of the insanity, saying that the cut for New York only reflects an overall transit security cut by Congress.
But all Congress did was approve the funding request from the White House, which was down from $400 million to $250 million.
The White House being your house, Mr. President.
On Monday, as I walked with my 16-year-old daughter to the subway that takes her to school and me to work, she began talking about the terrorists.
"I was just wondering," she said.
I told her that it is up to each one of us to fight the terrorists by refusing to be terrorized, by continuing to ride the trains and walk the streets.
I realized that I was talking to her like she was a solider in a war, and I began to scold myself.
I then realized that's exactly what she is.
Bronagh Daly did her part by continuing down into the subway, riding one of the lines that was targeted by the bombers in the fall.
The Times Square car bomb was a block from where she went to a Boys Like Girls concert not too long ago.
Now, I have to figure out a way to tell her the President she so admires is leaving her and her city less protected.
Maybe you can explain it to her, Mr. President.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/05/13/2010-05-13_mr_president_youre_making_our_city_less_safe.html#ixzz0noe5NrPI
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/05/13/2010-05-13_mr_president_youre_making_our_city_less_safe.html
Gee no comments from the peanut gallery defending this stupid move?
That is what I figured would happen........... ;) ...you can hear the crickets :razz:
You want comments off the top of our heads, with no research or validation for them? Go fish. . . :rolleyes:
That's not crickets, that's the wind whistling between your ears :razz:
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on May 13, 2010, 02:49:42 PM
That's not crickets, that's the wind whistling between your ears :razz:
ouch!!!!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 13, 2010, 02:34:49 PM
That is what I figured would happen........... ;) ...you can hear the crickets :razz:
Henry, you have told us before. Stop the government from taking our money and giving it to someone else. It's New York City problem, let them pay for it. I'm quit sure they, a typical New Yorker would give a damn about us.
Quote from: me on May 13, 2010, 02:19:48 PM
Gee no comments from the peanut gallery defending this stupid move?
Contact: Rob Blumenthal / John Bray, w/Inouye (202) 224‐7363 Ellis Brachman / Jenilee Keefe Singer, w/Obey (202) 225‐2771
FY2010 CONFERENCE SUMMARY: HOMELAND SECURITY APPROPRIATIONS
The Homeland Security Appropriations Bill is focused on securing our nation's borders and preparing for any potential disaster.
The conference agreement totals $42.776 billion of discretionary budget authority for fiscal year 2010, $2.648 billion, or 6.6 percent, above fiscal year 2009.Priorities in the bill are focused on five major goals: 1) Securing our borders and enforcing our immigration laws; 2) Protecting the American people from terrorist threats and other vulnerabilities, and ensuring the
Department is nimble enough to address future threats; 3) Preparing for, responding to, and recovering from all-hazards; 4) Supporting our State, local, Tribal, and private sector partners in homeland security with resources and
information; and 5) Giving the Department resources to strengthen financial, procurement, IT systems, and other
management tools that it needs to succeed; eliminating or reducing programs that are ineffective or duplicative.
Bill Total
2009 Enacted: 2010 President's Request: House Passed: Senate Passed: Conference Agreement:
$40.128 billion $43.071 billion (includes Coast Guard Overseas Contingencies) $42.617 billion $42.927 billion $42.776 billion
. . .
Homeland Security Grants:
$4.17 billion, nearly $300 million above the request, for grants to first responders and partners in homeland security, including:
• S
tate Grants: $950 million, matching the request and 2009, for grants used to plan, equip and train local first responders to respond to terrorist attacks and catastrophic incidents, including $60 million for Operation Stonegarden.• Urban Area Security Grants: $887 million, matching the request and $50 million above 2009, to help high-risk urban communities prevent, respond to, and recover from terrorist attacks.
• Rail/Transit Security Grants: $300 million, $50 million above the request, to protect critical transit infrastructure, including freight rail, Amtrak and ferry systems in high-threat areas.
• Port Security Grants: $300 million, $50 million above the request, to assist ports in enhancing maritime domain awareness and enhancing risk management capabilities to prevent, detect, and respond to terrorist attacks.
• Emergency Management Performance Grants: $340 million, $25 million above the request and 2009, for all-hazard grants for state and local emergency managers.
• Fire Grants (including SAFER): $810 million, $220 million above the request and $35 million above 2009, to help local fire departments address communication, equipment and staffing problems. Of this total, $420 million is for SAFER, as requested, and $390 million is for fire grants.
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• Metropolitan Medical Response System: $41 million, $1 million above the request, to help high- threat communities respond to mass casualty incidents.
• Interoperable Communications: $50 million, matching the request and 2009, for help firefighters and emergency responders talk to each other during a crisis.
• Emergency Operations Centers: $60 million, $25 million above 2009, to equip and upgrade central command facilities used by emergency personnel during disasters.
http://www.appropriations.senate.gov/news.cfm?method=news.view&id=2648ea03-de5b-4732-94e3-ba73cf63e6d8 (http://www.appropriations.senate.gov/news.cfm?method=news.view&id=2648ea03-de5b-4732-94e3-ba73cf63e6d8)
This coming from the official report (public access) of the Senate / House Committee on Appropriations, which you can see and read for yourself at the above link.
Now the above being the case, once
again we see an example of inappropriate blame being shoveled at the POTUS surrounding the failures of congress and the DHS's "updated" fund rating system. . . The friggin money was there, same as last year, and overall congress passed LESS than the POTUS and WH administration requested. . .
The CNY is squalling as if they are the only city that were subjected to cuts, but the reality is there are a lot of them that got cut, but an even larger number that got increases over what they previously had received. (Including the city of Chicago). None of which is the fault of the POTUS or his administration, but rather that of the DHS itself! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
The article talks like this is a recent thing though. You know, one of those we budgeted that much but we're gonna have to cut back on it thing. I realize that's a NY daily news article and not NY times but still if it weren't true how could they get by with saying that in a local paper since those who reside there would know if it were true or not.
I don't really care who or where the blame is, cutting Anti-Terror funds is wrong.....with the forecasted threat of attack, It will be a tough pill to swollow if we have another "successful" attack in this country...Obama is the leader, and HIS job is to keep ALL Americans safe...
That is all I am going to say about this....
Quote from: me on May 13, 2010, 04:39:33 PM
The article talks like this is a recent thing though. You know, one of those we budgeted that much but we're gonna have to cut back on it thing. I realize that's a NY daily news article and not NY times but still if it weren't true how could they get by with saying that in a local paper since those who reside there would know if it were true or not.
Quote
Anti-Terror Funding Cut In D.C. and New York
Homeland Security Criticized Over Grants
By Dan Eggen and Mary Beth Sheridan
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, June 1, 2006
The Department of Homeland Security yesterday slashed anti-terrorism money for Washington and New York, part of an immediately controversial decision to reduce grant funds for major urban areas in the Northeast while providing more to mid-size cities from Jacksonville to Sacramento. . .
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/31/AR2006053101364.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/31/AR2006053101364.html)
As you can see, this is not the first time CNY has squalled and it is not likely to be the last.
The problem lies within the DHS's rating system which the cities themselves are responsible for providing the statistics for, although that is only part of the problem with their system. . .
As you can see. . . the funding was there and in fact increased by 300 million dollars over the requested amount. The POTUS, congress, and his administration got them the money and it is up to DHS to administer and distribute it. . .
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 13, 2010, 04:45:22 PM
I don't really care who or where the blame is, cutting Anti-Terror funds is wrong.....with the forecasted threat of attack, It will be a tough pill to swollow if we have another "successful" attack in this country...Obama is the leader, and HIS job is to keep ALL Americans safe...
That is all I am going to say about this....
Did you have the same perspective in 2006 when the same thing happened?
Can we even call that a "news" article? Who is the author?
Quote from: kimmi on May 13, 2010, 07:29:49 PM
Can we even call that a "news" article? Who is the author?
Michael Daly
The NY Post carried the story too and you know they are Obama people.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/obama_bombing_attempt_nyc_anti_terror_aP3bWkcJDfhMCrks0MNrqO
I read Palehorse's link. Did you? Here is the financial summary.
Bill Total
2009 Enacted: $40.128 billion
2010 President's Request: $43.071 billion (includes Coast Guard Overseas Contingencies)
House Passed: $42.617 billion
Senate Passed: $42.927 billion
Conference Agreement: $42.776 billion
No matter how you slice it, this years total is two and a half billion more than last year's total. The Daily News and the Post are pissed that a bigger slice isn't going to NYC. Do you really think the President of the United States sat down with a pie chart and allocated all the funds to the various cities and states? Use your head!
Yes, they are pissed and I don't blame them one bit. If he thought it was so important when he signed the bill why did he reverse it and take some away after actual incidences?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 13, 2010, 04:45:22 PMI don't really care who or where the blame is, cutting Anti-Terror funds is wrong.....with the forecasted threat of attack, It will be a tough pill to swollow if we have another "successful" attack in this country...Obama is the leader, and HIS job is to keep ALL Americans safe... That is all I am going to say about this....
Henry you can spend this country broke. Spending trillion and trillions of dollars to protect us. There is no way we can spend ourselves 100% terrorist free.
There is no way we can stop anyone who is willing to kill him or herself to kill us. We were lucky that they took a over educated fool to build a bomb. I worked around a lot of dangerous chemicals and I don't think you would want this old pipefitter to build a bomb.
But if you think I'm going to sit around in a fetal position, worrying about I might die in a terrorist attack you don't know the Troll very well. I would like to send all the sonuvabitch to hell.
Terrorist :devil4: Troll :flag: :no1:
It's okay Lolly, basic math confuses some people.
Quote from: me on May 13, 2010, 08:11:42 PM
Yes, they are pissed and I don't blame them one bit. If he thought it was so important when he signed the bill why did he reverse it and take some away after actual incidences?
The POTUS doesn't determine the distribution of funding. The DHS's rating system does this. . .
First of all, all you have are a couple of articles that "assume" a whole lot and are very short on facts. Both saying the WH is supposed to make an announcement tomorrow, so lets just wait and see what the official stance is on this before we burn the witch eh? (I still maintain that this is exactly the same issue they raised in 2006 and it is driven by DHS program ratings).
Secondly, NY is no different than Illinois, Alabama, New Jersey, or any other state when it comes to terrorist initiatives, with every state holding targets of opportunity, yet because they were victimized historically they have received additional fed funding for 8 years when compared to other states. What is an acceptable milestone for them to achieve surrounding emergency infrastructure, personnel, and remediatory/proactive programming; and what is an acceptable timeframe for them to achieve this within?
At some point they have to reach saturation surrounding resources, and it isn't as if the feds are not present in the form of various departments within the state at very high levels in support of everything these funds are supposed to have created in the last 8 years. Should we continue to spend at high levels in one spot and allow the other states to develop weaknesses that will allow a similar attack to take place there instead?
There are a finite number of tits on the pig, and each piglet needs its turn at one of them. NY after 9 years is not being removed from the tit, but placed upon a less productive one in order to provide nutrients to its weaker siblings.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on May 13, 2010, 08:27:38 PM
It's okay Lolly, basic math confuses some people.
Thank you, Sandy. I was getting real close to bashing my head against that wall again.
Me is justing playin' me, right? Nobody
really believes the POTUS does fund allocation line-by-line.
Quote from: The Troll on May 13, 2010, 08:16:17 PM
Henry you can spend this country broke. Spending trillion and trillions of dollars to protect us. There is no way we can spend ourselves 100% terrorist free.
There is no way we can stop anyone who is willing to kill him or herself to kill us. We were lucky that they took a over educated fool to build a bomb. I worked around a lot of dangerous chemicals and I don't think you would want this old pipefitter to build a bomb.
But if you think I'm going to sit around in a fetal position, worrying about I might die in a terrorist attack you don't know the Troll very well. I would like to send all the sonuvabitch to hell.
Terrorist :devil4: Troll :flag: :no1:
please don't ever refer to me as a dumbass again..........THIS is ABSOLUTELY THE MOST OUTRAGEOUS AND MORONIC THING I HAVE EVER READ ON THIS FORUM....
TO THE POINT, I AM ALMOST SICK AND NUMB....IT IS NOT EVEN FUNNY ANYMORE....
GO AHEAD GUYS ACT LIKE THESE WORDS ARE OKAY, AND JUST LET IT GO......
FUCKING STUPID SHIT!!....I AM NOT EVEN GOING TO RESPOND TO THIS
I NEED A VACATION ..... BAD!!!!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 13, 2010, 10:58:16 PM
please don't ever refer to me as a dumbass again..........THIS is ABSOLUTELY THE MOST OUTRAGEOUS AND MORONIC THING I HAVE EVER READ ON THIS FORUM....
TO THE POINT, I AM ALMOST SICK AND NUMB....IT IS NOT EVEN FUNNY ANYMORE....
GO AHEAD GUYS ACT LIKE THESE WORDS ARE OKAY, AND JUST LET IT GO......
FUCKING STUPID SHIT!!....I AM NOT EVEN GOING TO RESPOND TO THIS
I NEED A VACATION ..... BAD!!!!
Henry, are you talking about the troll calling you a dumbass. Even tho I think you are a dumbass 3/4 of the time, I thought I was holding it in better than that. Could you let see the post I made, calling you a dumbass. I truly don't remember it.
I'll try not to call you that again, until you get a good vacation. I don't want you to have high blood pressure and have a stroke. I enjoy pulling your ripcord. :para:
You should have known that when you made that new topic, "Democarts Sucks", you dug yourself a hole :dig: and you became one big target. :rifle:
Sorry. The Troll :no1:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 13, 2010, 10:58:16 PM
...THIS is ABSOLUTELY THE MOST OUTRAGEOUS AND MORONIC THING I HAVE EVER READ ON THIS FORUM....
....GO AHEAD GUYS ACT LIKE THESE WORDS ARE OKAY, AND JUST LET IT GO......
Hank, you know I love you, and you know I don't read Troll's posts, but you are so upset I looked to see what had set you off.
The gist of his post seems to be
"There is no way we can spend ourselves 100% terrorist free.
There is no way we can stop anyone who is willing to kill him or herself to kill us."I'm surprised to say I think he is right. How many times have we been told there is no real defense against a dedicated madman with a rifle? It comes back to the premise that the real price of freedom is risk. I happen to think freedom is worth the price.
I'm sorry you're so upset, and sorry I don't understand why. Please explain to me what I'm missing. I really do want to understand.
Quote from: LOsborne on May 14, 2010, 08:15:09 AM
Hank, you know I love you, and you know I don't read Troll's posts, but you are so upset I looked to see what had set you off.
The gist of his post seems to be "There is no way we can spend ourselves 100% terrorist free.
There is no way we can stop anyone who is willing to kill him or herself to kill us."
I'm surprised to say I think he is right. How many times have we been told there is no real defense against a dedicated madman with a rifle? It comes back to the premise that the real price of freedom is risk. I happen to think freedom is worth the price.
I'm sorry you're so upset, and sorry I don't understand why. Please explain to me what I'm missing. I really do want to understand.
Lolly, Lolly, Lolly, so you don't read my posts. What got your panties in a knot. If it because you think I attacked you, your the one who wanted to squat over my grave and pee on it. I have never wanted to hurt you or hurt your grave. Just remember if you want to get into a fist fight, the one who has the brass knuckles will do the most damage.
But, I would like your input, JUST WHAT HAVE I SAID, THAT'S SO WRONG AND JUST WHAT DID I SAY THAT HURT YOUR SENSEABILITYS. But it most likely won't change my style. Your just going to get tough.
Quote from: The Troll on May 14, 2010, 08:36:52 AM
Lolly, Lolly, Lolly, so you don't read my posts. What got your panties in a knot. If it because you think I attacked you, your the one who wanted to squat over my grave and pee on it. I have never wanted to hurt you or hurt your grave. Just remember if you want to get into a fist fight, the one who has the brass knuckles will do the most damage.
But, I would like your input, JUST WHAT HAVE I SAID, THAT'S SO WRONG AND JUST WHAT DID I SAY THAT HURT YOUR SENSEABILITYS. But it most likely won't change my style. Your just going to get tough.
Troll, she was supporting your comment and trying to understand why Henry's head started spinning 'round. ;D
READING AND SCIENCE ARE SOOOOOOOOO HAAAAAAARRRRRRDDDDD!!!!!
Quote from: followsthewolf on May 14, 2010, 08:58:09 AM
READING AND SCIENCE ARE SOOOOOOOOO HAAAAAAARRRRRRDDDDD!!!!!
:food24: :rotfl:
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on May 14, 2010, 08:54:56 AM
Troll, she was supporting your comment and trying to understand why Henry's head started spinning 'round. ;D
I an well aware of what she's trying to do. But that little statement of "you know I don't read Troll's posts" is what bothers me. Is it that I am just a blue collar worker, I'm beneath her scholarly Queendom.
Well, it couldn't be your subtle and charming forum personlity turning her off ;D
Kris Kristofferson --
"Silver-tongued Devil"
:biggrin:
http://www.youtube.com/v/GdVMvYj0HAs
:biggrin:
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on May 14, 2010, 11:02:13 AM
Well, it couldn't be your subtle and charming forum personlity turning her off ;D
Look when I came into this forum, I well remember the nice Little comments like, well the Troll won't be around very long. Because we are a very close nit group of friends. You had one problem, everything I got in my life was gotten by me. I did have two very nice men, who have passed, who stepped in and save me and my job. I'm use to some people trying to stand on my throat, to keep me from getting up and some of the people on this forum are small potatoes when it come to cutting someone's ass and back stabbing these pro's did. I still have the scares from it, in my mind. I hate bullies and backstabbers.
But as I remember, "ME" and I was in our usual fist fight and I think old Lolly thought I was getting the best of "ME" and she stuck in her :2cents: and said she wanted to pee on my grave.
Well, never to pass up a challenge, I did go overboard with laughter and making fun, she must have got her panties bunched up. So sorry Lolly.
Read me or not, it won't change a thing for me or you. You will miss a good fight, you just got to bend with the blows. The Troll Trying to be charming. :biggrin:
You keep talking about "fighting" like that's what you want. I'm not here to "fight" with anyone I just don't happen to have the same point of view that most have and try to discuss. Yes, I do ask questions from time to time that no one seems to get the gist of but they are asked for a reason and usually no one comes up with a sensible answer but just more of the same. No one on here is an idiot we just have different views of things so what purpose does it serve, and yes, I've done it a few times myself, to call someone stupid, and idiot, or any other name for that matter?
Back on track the way I look at it a funding cut is a funding cut even if they are still getting more than last year. To add insult to injury he has a $30k a plate fund raising dinner expecting the very people he's raking over the coals to donate to his campaign fund in that same city he just cut the funding for.
From the COA report (link provided previously):
. . .
Transportation Security Administration (TSA): $7.7 billion, $678.7 million above 2009, excluding stimulus funding. Funding includes:. . .
. . .
Homeland Security Grants: $4.17 billion, nearly $300 million above the request, for grants to first responders and partners in homeland security, including:
• State Grants: $950 million, matching the request and 2009, for grants used to plan, equip and train local first responders to respond to terrorist attacks and catastrophic incidents, including $60 million for Operation Stonegarden.
• Urban Area Security Grants: $887 million, matching the request and $50 million above 2009, to help high-risk urban communities prevent, respond to, and recover from terrorist attacks.
• Rail/Transit Security Grants: $300 million, $50 million above the request, to protect critical transit infrastructure, including freight rail, Amtrak and ferry systems in high-threat areas.
• Port Security Grants: $300 million, $50 million above the request, to assist ports in enhancing maritime domain awareness and enhancing risk management capabilities to prevent, detect, and respond to terrorist attacks.
• Emergency Management Performance Grants: $340 million, $25 million above the request and 2009, for all-hazard grants for state and local emergency managers.
• Fire Grants (including SAFER): $810 million, $220 million above the request and $35 million above 2009, to help local fire departments address communication, equipment and staffing problems. Of this total, $420 million is for SAFER, as requested, and $390 million is for fire grants.
3
• Metropolitan Medical Response System: $41 million, $1 million above the request, to help high- threat communities respond to mass casualty incidents.
• Interoperable Communications: $50 million, matching the request and 2009, for help firefighters and emergency responders talk to each other during a crisis.
• Emergency Operations Centers: $60 million, $25 million above 2009, to equip and upgrade central command facilities used by emergency personnel during disasters. . .
Again I will say this; the POTUS does not distribute the funds nor identify who gets what and who does not, the Department of Homeland Security does. This is their baby and their system of distribution based upon their rating system.
If anyone should be taking heat over this it should be Janet Napolitano, who is US Secretary of Homeland Security, and even then the root cause for this issue is the DHS's rating system which she inherited. It has been a problem each time the department does their re-evaluations in prep for budgetary requests, and each time NYC has had their funding reduced they have squawked long and hard.
Funny how we didn't hear any of you squawking in 2006 or 2007 when NYC was saying virtually the very same things. Why didn't you lambaste the Shrub when the DHS cut NYC's funding by 40% overall or more????
QuoteAgain I will say this; the POTUS does not distribute the funds nor identify who gets what and who does not, the Department of Homeland Security does. This is their baby and their system of distribution based upon their rating system.
If anyone should be taking heat over this it should be Janet Napolitano, who is US Secretary of Homeland Security, and even then the root cause for this issue is the DHS's rating system which she inherited. It has been a problem each time the department does their re-evaluations in prep for budgetary requests, and each time NYC has had their funding reduced they have squawked long and hard.
Let's see, everything that went wrong or people didn't agree with during Bush's presidency was his fault but everything that goes wrong or people disagree with now is someone elses fault even though the things may be similar. Neither here nor there just a thought to ponder is all.
Quote from: The Troll on May 14, 2010, 02:03:56 PM
Look when I came into this forum, I well remember the nice Little comments like, well the Troll won't be around very long. Because we are a very close nit group of friends. You had one problem, everything I got in my life was gotten by me. I did have two very nice men, who have passed, who stepped in and save me and my job. I'm use to some people trying to stand on my throat, to keep me from getting up and some of the people on this forum are small potatoes when it come to cutting someone's ass and back stabbing these pro's did. I still have the scares from it, in my mind. I hate bullies and backstabbers.
But as I remember, "ME" and I was in our usual fist fight and I think old Lolly thought I was getting the best of "ME" and she stuck in her :2cents: and said she wanted to pee on my grave.
Well, never to pass up a challenge, I did go overboard with laughter and making fun, she must have got her panties bunched up. So sorry Lolly.
Read me or not, it won't change a thing for me or you. You will miss a good fight, you just got to bend with the blows. The Troll Trying to be charming. :biggrin:
Thanks for that.
You have had a tough life.
You are a tough guy.
Nobody has had as tough a life as you have had.
That help??
Quote from: me on May 14, 2010, 06:32:19 PM
Let's see, everything that went wrong or people didn't agree with during Bush's presidency was his fault but everything that goes wrong or people disagree with now is someone elses fault even though the things may be similar. Neither here nor there just a thought to ponder is all.
To quote your most godly president, Reagan, "There you go again" We really don't blame George W.. He wasn't smart enough to think up all of the cons the predatory capitalist dreamed up. He was the hand puppet for the Republican Party and the Neocons and the military complex and the lobbyist.
Old George couldn't hardly put two words together and was the most stupidest president we ever had. Prick Cheney ran the government and George W. walked in lock step with him.
He told us that God told him to run for president. He ran, He won and it was given to him by the Supreme Court. So I guess he will have to take the heat for all of the Charley Foxtrots that happen during the eight years he was in. Remember? You voted for him twice. What a wonderful thing to have on your record of life. :shots: ME :kick: Troll :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :salute:
Quote from: me on May 14, 2010, 05:33:04 PM
...the way I look at it a funding cut is a funding cut even if they are still getting more than last year. ...
Whoa. Ya lost me. If they are getting more than last year, how is it a "funding cut"? More than last year is a funding
increase not a funding cut.
Quote from: followsthewolf on May 14, 2010, 07:14:46 PM
Thanks for that.
You have had a tough life.
You are a tough guy.
Nobody has had as tough a life as you have had.
That help??
:???: :???: :???: :doh: :huh2: :think: :think: :idea3: Nice try, Mister :wolf:
Quote from: me on May 14, 2010, 05:33:04 PM
You keep talking about "fighting" like that's what you want. I'm not here to "fight" with anyone I just don't happen to have the same point of view that most have and try to discuss. Yes, I do ask questions from time to time that no one seems to get the gist of but they are asked for a reason and usually no one comes up with a sensible answer but just more of the same. No one on here is an idiot we just have different views of things so what purpose does it serve, and yes, I've done it a few times myself, to call someone stupid, and idiot, or any other name for that matter?
Back on track the way I look at it a funding cut is a funding cut even if they are still getting more than last year. To add insult to injury he has a $30k a plate fund raising dinner expecting the very people he's raking over the coals to donate to his campaign fund in that same city he just cut the funding for.
I sure like that first sentence, "I'm not here to fight". Oh, yes you are. You fight with everybody here in this forum but the Hawk. I like to refere to you guys as the twins. Never have seen a man and a woman some much alike in their thinking. Are you sure you guys weren't twins and split at birth.
You cry about Obama having a $30k a plate fund raiser. Did you forget about George W. and his $100K a plate fund raiser in Texas. It seems there was a lot of oil men there. They got to have their picture taken with him and they were placed on some high roller Republican team. I can't remember it's name. It seems like you had to be a millionaire to get on it.
It sorta seem funny, that Old Prick Cheney can have oil corporation CEO's come to the White House and we can't find out who it was. George W. can $100K fund raisers in Texas and George 42 can go over to Saudia Arabia and get $3 million for a 45 minute speech.
Boy oh boy do these oil people take care of you Republican. Right now, in Washington DC, you can see how much the Republican Congress has been bought and owned buy the oil companies They are trying to stop every regulation that would get the polluting oil companies under control.
Then to top it all off, old George W. OKs BP drilling a oil well in the Gulf in 5000 ft of water and he believes everything they tell him. "IT'S OK, WE KNOW WHAT WE ARE GOING AND IT WILL BE SAFE."
Read what I wrote again Troll. I was not, I repeat
not, objecting to the $30k per plate fund raiser I was saying he was having a fund raiser and asking that of people he was raking over the coals. You have to admit that takes balls and huge ones at that.
Quote from: The Troll on May 15, 2010, 11:57:56 AM
I sure like that first sentence, "I'm not here to fight". Oh, yes you are. You fight with everybody here in this forum but the Hawk. I like to refere to you guys as the twins. Never have seen a man and a woman some much alike in their thinking. Are you sure you guys weren't twins and split at birth.
You cry about Obama having a $30k a plate fund raiser. Did you forget about George W. and his $100K a plate fund raiser in Texas. It seems there was a lot of oil men there. They got to have their picture taken with him and they were placed on some high roller Republican team. I can't remember it's name. It seems like you had to be a millionaire to get on it.
It sorta seem funny, that Old Prick Cheney can have oil corporation CEO's come to the White House and we can't find out who it was. George W. can $100K fund raisers in Texas and George 42 can go over to Saudia Arabia and get $3 million for a 45 minute speech.
Boy oh boy do these oil people take care of you Republican. Right now, in Washington DC, you can see how much the Republican Congress has been bought and owned buy the oil companies They are trying to stop every regulation that would get the polluting oil companies under control.
Then to top it all off, old George W. OKs BP drilling a oil well in the Gulf in 5000 ft of water and he believes everything they tell him. "IT'S OK, WE KNOW WHAT WE ARE GOING AND IT WILL BE SAFE."