In one of the threads in the unmoderated area you said Ironworkers and Steelworkers were the same, which they're not. Here is a few photos of Ironworkers doing part of what they do. Just click on the link below where it says Empire State building and you will see. I hope you have MSpower point so you can view this. If not I'll figure out another way to show you.
Quote from: me on May 11, 2010, 01:13:11 AM
In one of the threads in the unmoderated area you said Ironworkers and Steelworkers were the same, which they're not. Here is a few photos of Ironworkers doing part of what they do. Just click on the link below where it says Empire State building and you will see. I hope you have MSpower point so you can view this. If not I'll figure out another way to show you.
Steel Worker, Iron Worker, I know one thing their work is hard, dirty and dangerous and they are good union men. Because they are smart and know which side of the bread the butter is on.
The Troll UAW :flag: :salute:
Quote from: The Troll on July 22, 2010, 08:46:40 PM
Steel Worker, Iron Worker, I know one thing their work is hard, dirty and dangerous and they are good union men. Because they are smart and know which side of the bread the butter is on.
The Troll UAW :flag: :salute:
Yes, they are hard workers and the work is extremely dangerous especially the construction part. There are easier jobs they do but for the most part are working in less than ideal conditions most of the time. Their union is entirely different than the UAW and for the most part OSHA dictates working conditions and safety issues for their job sites.
Quote from: me on July 22, 2010, 10:06:40 PM
Yes, they are hard workers and the work is extremely dangerous especially the construction part. There are easier jobs they do but for the most part are working in less than ideal conditions most of the time. Their union is entirely different than the UAW and for the most part OSHA dictates working conditions and safety issues for their job sites.
OHHHH, great one, Oh please tell me how they differ, the UAW and the Iron Workers. Please tell me, you seem to know so much about unions and what they do for their workers. With you being so Antiunion.
Your so antiunion, you don't want to even help the poor Walmart workers.
Quote from: The Troll on July 23, 2010, 04:12:52 PM
OHHHH, great one, Oh please tell me how they differ, the UAW and the Iron Workers. Please tell me, you seem to know so much about unions and what they do for their workers. With you being so Antiunion.
Your so antiunion, you don't want to even help the poor Walmart workers.
One of the biggest differences is they don't dictate rules to the companies or force companies to hire you back if you're fired or laid off. There are no committee men to run to if you get laid off or fired they just go find another job with another company either on their own or through the hiring hall. They, the union, do negotiate with companies for wages and portions paid for benefits by the companies and take care of which insurance company covers the members. But then it's a different ball game than it is working for the same company in the same place day after day. Ironworker's, unless they're extremely lucky, work for many different companies and sometimes up to as many as 15 a year. My ex did end up becoming a supervisor for a company and worked for them for about 6yrs but got sick of traveling and wanted to stay local so he gave it up.
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Quote from: Palehorse on July 23, 2010, 05:39:06 PM
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Quote from: me on July 23, 2010, 05:09:56 PM
One of the biggest differences is they don't dictate rules to the companies or force companies to hire you back if you're fired or laid off. There are no committee men to run to if you get laid off or fired they just go find another job with another company either on their own or through the hiring hall. They, the union, do negotiate with companies for wages and portions paid for benefits by the companies and take care of which insurance company covers the members. But then it's a different ball game than it is working for the same company in the same place day after day. Ironworker's, unless they're extremely lucky, work for many different companies and sometimes up to as many as 15 a year. My ex did end up becoming a supervisor for a company and worked for them for about 6yrs but got sick of traveling and wanted to stay local so he gave it up.
How many years did you spend working for the UAW. Also where do you get all of your information how the the UAW and the UAW committeemen operate within the union.
Because what you have said it total :bs: You don't know one thing about the UAW and it operation. Your talking to a person to worked with the UAW of 38 years.
Let get one thing straight with you, tho it impossible. The UAW does not dictate who will be fired and who will be laid off.
Now the UAW Committeemen, there main job is to keep mean, cruel, unfair, unjust company supervisors like you from abusing the workers and firing or disciplining them unjustly. Which you have probably have done to several people in your work history. I sure would like to talk to some of them who dislike you. It's amazing what you can find out about a person when you talk to someone who truly dislikes them.
But there one thing you have proved to me :me: is you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground. :flap: :flap: :flap:
Quote from: The Troll on July 23, 2010, 05:52:03 PM
How many years did you spend working for the UAW. Also where do you get all of your information how the the UAW and the UAW committeemen operate within the union.
Because what you have said it total :bs: You don't know one thing about the UAW and it operation. Your talking to a person to worked with the UAW of 38 years.
Let get one thing straight with you, tho it impossible. The UAW does not dictate who will be fired and who will be laid off.
Now the UAW Committeemen, there main job is to keep mean, cruel, unfair, unjust company supervisors like you from abusing the workers and firing or disciplining them unjustly. Which you have probably have done to several people in your work history. I sure would like to talk to some of them who dislike you. It's amazing what you can find out about a person when you talk to someone who truly dislikes them.
But there one thing you have proved to me :me: is you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground. :flap: :flap: :flap:
I think you'd better go back and re read what I wrote Troll.
Quote from: me on July 23, 2010, 06:13:50 PM
I think you'd better go back and re read what I wrote Troll.
I reread it and the first two sentences said it all, just what I said. Reread mine. Reread the third paragraph and the job of a committeeman.
Quote from: The Troll on July 23, 2010, 06:32:44 PM
I reread it and the first two sentences said it all, just what I said. Reread mine. Reread the third paragraph and the job of a committeeman.
I know what the job of a committeeman is and Ironworkers don't have them to run and whine to.
Quote from: me on July 23, 2010, 06:49:11 PM
I know what the job of a committeeman is and Ironworkers don't have them to run and whine to.
Where I work for 38 years there were a whole lot of reasons to call a committeeman, With the stupid, brain dead, bully supervisors Ford hired. I'll bet you were one in your prime working days. I bet you were a real asshole to work for. Heil Hitler, ARBEIT MACHT FREI, Frau Me.
Quote from: The Troll on July 23, 2010, 08:18:49 PM
Where I work for 38 years there were a whole lot of reasons to call a committeeman, With the stupid, brain dead, bully supervisors Ford hired. I'll bet you were one in your prime working days. I bet you were a real asshole to work for. Heil Hitler, ARBEIT MACHT FREI, Frau Me.
Expecting people to do the job they are being paid to do is not being a bully. :razz:
Quote from: me on July 23, 2010, 08:20:52 PM
Expecting people to do the job they are being paid to do is not being a bully. :razz:
You're a scab and a bully. You expect a working man and working woman to kiss your supervisor ass. It is a waste of my time to talking to you about the rights of working of the middle class and their right to get a fair days pay for a fair days pay. You want salves, blanked eyes, bent backs slaves. Bowing to the all mighty "ME: :finger01: and :finger2:
Quote from: The Troll on July 23, 2010, 09:34:27 PM
You're a scab and a bully. You expect a working man and working woman to kiss your supervisor ass. It is a waste of my time to talking to you about the rights of working of the middle class and their right to get a fair days pay for a fair days pay. You want salves, blanked eyes, bent backs slaves. Bowing to the all mighty "ME: :finger01: and :finger2:
And you my dear sir wish to go to work and get paid to look at it rather than get paid for doing it from the sounds of it.
In my 38 years at Ford I carried my weight. I have worked for so many assholes like you. People who's only power came from the company they worked for. The ability to make someone life miserable because they where so stupid and so power hungry the made every ones life around them miserable. I bet you were one of them. But when you let the job you were powerless, nothing, not propped up by the business. Nothing and your still nothing.
You talk of you ex husband being a union man, Iron Worker, well the last of years of his working life the was a company man, a scab and he fought against union. And the union made him a Iron Worker, not the company. I can see why he left.
Now see Troll there ya go spoutin' off crap about something you know nothing about, namely me or my ex. I never once said you personally didn't pull your weight nor did I put you personally down. There are a lot of good hard working men who work for the auto factories and I know some of them and I also know men and committeemen who are ass holes just like I'm referring to. Some unions do good and others are the reason places close down and go elsewhere where they don't have to put up with the crap. I know people who have been threatened by union people because they didn't want to be part of their little organization and it wasn't idle threats it was serious bodily harm type or property damage type threats. That type of things gives all unions a bad name. You can refuse to acknowledge it all you want but I know they force companies to rehire people who were fired with just cause and that is just plain wrong any way you look at it. It is wrong to force companies and workers who don't want unionized to become unionized because it is not always for "their own good".
You really need to learn how to discuss in a civil manner instead of always putting people you know nothing about down and spouting off garbage which you pick from thin air about their character. If you do that to people face to face I'm surprised you don't get your head knocked off.
As for my ex, he was a hard worker and a good union man. We may not have gotten along and decided to call the marriage quits but I won't let someone who don't even know him put him down like you just did in your last post without coming to his defense. He was never a scab and wouldn't hesitate to clean your clock if you called him that to his face.
I have a question for you Troll. When your wife disagrees with you do you call her names and put her down like you do those of us who disagree on the forum or do you listen to her and respectfully disagree?
Quote from: me on July 24, 2010, 01:44:50 AM
Now see Troll there ya go spoutin' off crap about something you know nothing about, namely me or my ex. I never once said you personally didn't pull your weight nor did I put you personally down. There are a lot of good hard working men who work for the auto factories and I know some of them and I also know men and committeemen who are ass holes just like I'm referring to. Some unions do good and others are the reason places close down and go elsewhere where they don't have to put up with the crap. I know people who have been threatened by union people because they didn't want to be part of their little organization and it wasn't idle threats it was serious bodily harm type or property damage type threats. That type of things gives all unions a bad name. You can refuse to acknowledge it all you want but I know they force companies to rehire people who were fired with just cause and that is just plain wrong any way you look at it. It is wrong to force companies and workers who don't want unionized to become unionized because it is not always for "their own good".
You really need to learn how to discuss in a civil manner instead of always putting people you know nothing about down and spouting off garbage which you pick from thin air about their character. If you do that to people face to face I'm surprised you don't get your head knocked off.
As for my ex, he was a hard worker and a good union man. We may not have gotten along and decided to call the marriage quits but I won't let someone who don't even know him put him down like you just did in your last post without coming to his defense. He was never a scab and wouldn't hesitate to clean your clock if you called him that to his face.
I have a question for you Troll. When your wife disagrees with you do you call her names and put her down like you do those of us who disagree on the forum or do you listen to her and respectfully disagree?
My wife and I have lived together for 47 years, we don't call each other names and we know each others hot buttons and we try very hard to never use them. When we do disagree I get loud and she gives me the cold treatment, the chill. She never nags, she molds me into thinking that I should do what she wants and she gets it.
Tho she is a good Democrat and a union wife, she thinks that she has enough seniority now after 47 years to get mouthy with her boss, me. She will tell you in a loud and shrill voice that she is not BRAIN WASHED. Believe me when I say, she is not brain washed or a Republican's little wife, walking 2 spaces behind her lord and master husband. In fact, I have given up, she's the boss, the beneficent master.
I am so glad I worked for the best company Ford and under the best UAW contract. I don't tolerate bullies, bully bosses and assholes. Being 6ft 2 1/2 inches tall and in good shape when I was working, being able to lift 200 lbs over my head, with a bad attitude towards bullies and assholes. For some reason I had very few problems of being mistreated. In fact, I have stepped in between an asshole and the person he was mistreating.
She's pro union, because she worked in a non union factory and saw all of the bad treatment of the employees by her bosses and the unsafe working conditions. She's definitely pro union.
Talking to you about unions and the the love you have for the robbing Republicans and your love for the big corporations, the banksters and the stockmarketeers is a waste of time. Plus your feeling of dislike for the working and layed off worker here in American plus your love of free trade, there will be no more one on one conversations on it. I just be there to slam you on your stupid statments.
Did you ever stop to think you do what you dislike in someone else....use bully tactics? Things are not always black and white...there are gray areas and you really need to get a grip. :seeya2: