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Title: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: dan foster on March 29, 2010, 08:29:44 PM
MF'ers are pretty harmless, huh?  These wanabe crusaders should just march their little asses over to Afghanistan and Iran and start shooting, there, instead of trying to kill law enforcement, here.  Stupid god damn SOB's.


Militia members charged with police-killing plot

By DEVLIN BARRETT, Associated Press Writer Devlin Barrett, Associated Press Writer – Mon Mar 29, 10:55 am ET

WASHINGTON – Nine suspects tied to a Christian militia in the Midwest are charged with conspiring to kill police officers, then attack a funeral in the hopes of killing more law enforcement personnel, federal prosecutors said Monday.

U.S. Attorney Barbara McQuade said agents moved on the group because the Hutaree members were planning a violent reconnaissance mission sometime in April — just a few days away.

Members of the group called Hutaree are charged in the case, including their leader, David Brian Stone, also known as "Captain Hutaree."

Once other officers gathered for a slain officer's funeral, the group planned to detonate homemade bombs at the funeral, killing more, according to newly unsealed court papers.

According to the indictment, the idea of attacking a police funeral was one of numerous scenarios discussed as ways to go after law enforcement officers. Other scenarios included a fake 911 call to lure an officer to his or her death, or an attack on the family of a police officer.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100329/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_fbi_raids
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: The Troll on March 29, 2010, 08:54:52 PM
   Damn it Dan,  >:(  I was all ready to ask Henry how he missed the roundup.   :confused: :confused:

   Being an end of timer, and that sure he thinks Obama is the Antichrist.  How in F*#k did he miss it.

  The Troll   :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :)
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: me on March 29, 2010, 09:17:17 PM
There ya go lumpin' them all in the same basket again.  Hell, maybe this guy was related to Obama's buddy that bombed police stations in the 60's and 70's, you know, the weather underground.
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: The Troll on March 29, 2010, 09:29:10 PM
Quote from: me on March 29, 2010, 09:17:17 PM
There ya go lumpin' them all in the same basket again.  Hell, maybe this guy was related to Obama's buddy that bombed police stations in the 60's and 70's, you know, the weather underground.

  Yes, maybe so, he was was a nut and that was in the 60's.  He wasn't a fanatic bible thumping right-wing paranoiacs, end of timers in twenty first century, 2010.  Oh, did miss many names.  I'll look for some more.  Thank for bringing it up, it sorta dates you. :yes: :yes:

  The Troll  :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: Palehorse on March 29, 2010, 09:38:50 PM
Been waiting to see this one here. I didn't want to be the one to start it since I get accused of being anti-religion all of the time. . . Oh wait, I am ant-religion!
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: The Troll on March 30, 2010, 07:06:38 AM
  Palehorse, "ME" says she an Agnostic,  that a coward"s way of hedging her bet, just in case God is watching her.  Don't she know that he knows what she thinks too. :rolleyes: :confused:

  And that he watches her, every day, 356 days a  year, 24 hours a day, plus he watches 6 BILLION people at the same time.  He writes down every sin she makes and every sin she thinks.  So he can, with the help of his most powerful angel, Lucifer, burn, torture, needle, mangle and bitch at her for 24 hours a day for ever and ever and ever and ever and that he loves her. :yes: :yes: :yes:

The Troll   :o :wink: :smile:  Can we have an Amen, here?
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: Bo D on March 30, 2010, 08:39:03 AM
Quote from: Palehorse on March 29, 2010, 09:38:50 PM
I am ant-religion!

(http://img1.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/n28/n140932.jpg)

:biggrin: :biggrin:

Sorry, Dude! Couldn't help myself!
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: Henry Hawk on March 30, 2010, 09:07:51 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: The Troll on March 30, 2010, 09:28:03 AM
  Calling Henry, calling Henry the Hawk.  I forgot to tell you that last Saturday, I was down at the American Legion Post, belly up to the bar drinking a Miller's High Life and I told the guys down there about the Unknown Zone and about the Christian Wing Nut Henry and he told me in one of his post that I was very naive.

  You should have been there and heard all of the laughs. :laugh: :laugh:  Two of my Legion buddy's almost fell off their stools.  :laugh: :laugh: They all said, he called you naive, he doesn't know you too well does he.  No, I said and I like it that way.  I have always said, I'd rather under estimated, that over estimated. :yes: :yes: :laugh: :laugh:

The Troll,  Henry, you are absolutely great! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: Henry Hawk on March 30, 2010, 09:48:27 AM
you are one of the funniest guys on here troll....you really are...but, you seem to keep finding words to put in my mouth...please show me where I EVER said you was naive?

I do think a mild medication adjustment may do wonders for you though!!... ;D :razz: :wink: :yes: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: The Troll on March 30, 2010, 01:45:53 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 30, 2010, 09:48:27 AM
you seem to keep finding words to put in my mouth...please show me where I EVER said you was naive?

I do think a mild medication adjustment may do wonders for you though!!... ;D :razz: :wink: :yes: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


  Henry, I have neither the time or the desire to go back and find your post, where you said, I was naive.  Well, Dude,  the day you said it, I had my come to the computer and read it.  Just then my son came in and he read it to.  He said, Dad he doesn't know you very well, does he and he laughed. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

  Let me tell you something Dude, I read every thing you and "ME" writes at least twice, because what you write really don't sound too bad until, you read it again.  It becomes interesting when you read between the lines and you see what you are really trying to say.  To me I can see the really dark side of you and "ME".  Cheap and greedy. :icon_twisted: :icon_evil: :yes:

   The other people on this forum for to many years have let you say your homophobic, crazy right- wing taliban Teabagging things. Well, won't let you keep saying it.  You keep your facts straight and talk the truth, you won't have many problems with me.  I was talking to "Y" the other day and I asked him about you.  He said, you have been talking the same for the last 10 years and you wouldn't change.  He also the he thought that the other members were to polite to question you on some of the things you say.  WELL, THE TROLL WON'T!!!! :yes: :yes: :yes:

THE TROLL   :wink: :smile:

The Troll
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: Henry Hawk on March 30, 2010, 02:17:24 PM
Quote from: The Troll on March 30, 2010, 01:45:53 PM

  Henry, I have neither the time or the desire to go back and find your post, where you said, I was naive.  Well, Dude,  the day you said it, I had my come to the computer and read it. 

You don't have the time or desire to go back and find it because I never said it.........I went back to the middle of last month JUST to make sure.......and it didn't happen..

That tells me either you are making crap up or you just dont know what you are talking about.....personally I don't think you are a liar, so let's go with the other.... ;)

and let me tell YOU DUDE...you don't know diddly squat about me...you just lumped me in with your sterotypical, raciest, biased opinion of who you THINK I am...there is a reason why I won't change, and that is because I am correct with my opinons.....I have been swaping back and forth several years on here and have had PLENTY of exchanges with these folks, some good and some not so good.....and I am still standing my ground (PROUDLY, I might add)....and YOU, DUDE, will NOT even remotely keep me from posting to what I believe IS the truth....

and I will call YOU out when you start making crap up that I say that is NOT true...you have done it several times now, and go run to Y if it makes you feel better......ask the others WHY they are polite to me.....

the Hawk.. ;) :smile:
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: Sandy Eggo on March 30, 2010, 02:23:47 PM
I'm polite to Henry b/c most of the time he's just stirring the pot and I really don't think he's as fanatical as he makes himself sound. That and he uses "was" and "are" interchangeably. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: Henry Hawk on March 30, 2010, 02:48:28 PM
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on March 30, 2010, 02:23:47 PM
I'm polite to Henry b/c most of the time he's just stirring the pot and I really don't think he's as fanatical as he makes himself sound. That and he uses "was" and "are" interchangeably. :biggrin:

people just don't utilize the english language in the way it was are intended.... ;)
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: followsthewolf on March 30, 2010, 03:09:17 PM
I'm polite to Henry because that's the only income I've got.
:smile:


Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: Bo D on March 30, 2010, 03:40:33 PM
I'm polite to Henry because he takes his name from a Looney Tunes character.  :smitten:
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: Bo D on March 30, 2010, 03:46:21 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 30, 2010, 02:17:24 PM
You don't have the time or desire to go back and find it because I never said it.........I went back to the middle of last month JUST to make sure.......and it didn't happen..



But I must be the seeker of truth and set politeness aside occasionally. Sorry, Henry, my friend.  You said it.

Here....

http://theunknownzone.us/smf/index.php?topic=16542.msg352671;topicseen#msg352671 (http://theunknownzone.us/smf/index.php?topic=16542.msg352671;topicseen#msg352671)

Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 18, 2010, 04:48:06 PM
If you wasn't so naive and funny, I wouldn't waste my time with you at all....but, you are some what entertaining....

Not that I give a damn, mind you.  :wink:
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: Henry Hawk on March 30, 2010, 04:02:54 PM
Quote from: Olias on March 30, 2010, 03:46:21 PM
But I must be the seeker of truth and set politeness aside occasionally. Sorry, Henry, my friend.  You said it.

Here....

http://theunknownzone.us/smf/index.php?topic=16542.msg352671;topicseen#msg352671 (http://theunknownzone.us/smf/index.php?topic=16542.msg352671;topicseen#msg352671)

Not that I give a damn, mind you.  :wink:

I should hire you first.... :yes: .........with that said, I apologize to troll....I honestly do not remember saying it..I do remember saying he is funny....naive is probably a wrong word to use for Troll....because I know he has been around the block a few times to be naive....maybe I should have used the word...misinformed.... :yes:  and not so much in a bad way, but he speaks in generalizations about me WAY too much, and he is simply WRONG about many things about me...he assumes way TOO much...but, it is I, that is wrong here, Mr. Troll you are NOT naive!!!.. :no:  ..but you still make up crap about me in a wrong way...

bad henry!! bad!!... :no:
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: Palehorse on March 30, 2010, 04:05:14 PM
Is there a right way to make up crap about people?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: Bo D on March 30, 2010, 04:06:05 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 30, 2010, 04:02:54 PM
I should hire you first.... :yes: .........with that said, I apologize to troll....I honestly do not remember saying it..I do remember saying he is funny....naive is probably a wrong word to use for Troll....because I know he has been around the block a few times to be naive....maybe I should have used the word...misinformed.... :yes:  and not so much in a bad way, but he speaks in generalizations about me WAY too much, and he is simply WRONG about many things about me...he assumes way TOO much...but, it is I, that is wrong here, Mr. Troll you are NOT naive!!!.. :no:  ..but you still make up crap about me in a wrong way...

bad henry!! bad!!... :no:

Walk it off, Dude! I think we get way too personal in attack mode sometimes. Maybe apologies are due all around.
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: Palehorse on March 30, 2010, 04:09:06 PM
Someone punked me Lord, Kumbayah. . . :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: me on March 30, 2010, 04:19:26 PM
Quote from: Palehorse on March 30, 2010, 04:09:06 PM
Someone punked me Lord, Kumbayah. . . :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
:biggrin:
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: Henry Hawk on March 30, 2010, 04:19:48 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 30, 2010, 04:02:54 PM
I should hire you first.... :yes: .........with that said, I apologize to troll....I honestly do not remember saying it..I do remember saying he is funny....naive is probably a wrong word to use for Troll....because I know he has been around the block a few times to be naive....maybe I should have used the word...misinformed.... :yes:  and not so much in a bad way, but he speaks in generalizations about me WAY too much, and he is simply WRONG about many things about me...he assumes way TOO much...but, it is I, that is wrong here, Mr. Troll you are NOT naive!!!.. :no:  ..but you still make up crap about me in a wrong way...  ;D

bad henry!! bad!!... :no:
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: The Troll on March 30, 2010, 05:31:54 PM
  Mr. Henry Hawk, let me be the first to say that I am sorry I took you to literally.  I will try to not so Tolled up.  I will try to understand you in a little more kinder way.  Tho it will be difficult, needless to say I will try.

  Lolly and "ME" said that I wasn't hung as much as I should be, just a little bitty one.  I am a 6ft. 2 1/2in. Troll.  295 pounds of dynamite with a 1 inch fuse. :'( :'(

Come to think of it.  What happened to Lolly after she wanted her and "ME" to piss on my grave.  I still have nightmares,  :icon_evil:   thinking of the two old broads squatting over my grave.  :rolleyes: Can you imagine the view I would have looking up. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:  Wet hair hanging to the ground. :o :o  Ugh.  I also wonder if Lolly would test that piss on my grave for drugs. :yes: :yes: :laugh:

The Troll  ;D ;D

  Life's tough,  end round #1, start round #2
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: Palehorse on March 30, 2010, 05:44:29 PM

Someone punked me Lord, Kumbayah. . . :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: Sandy Eggo on March 30, 2010, 05:47:44 PM
LoL @ PH's point about a nice way of making up crap :biggrin:
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: Palehorse on March 30, 2010, 05:50:10 PM
 :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: dan foster on March 31, 2010, 10:32:43 PM
Quote from: The Troll on March 29, 2010, 08:54:52 PM
   Damn it Dan,  >:(  I was all ready to ask Henry how he missed the roundup.   :confused: :confused:

   Being an end of timer, and that sure he thinks Obama is the Antichrist.  How in F*#k did he miss it.

  The Troll   :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :)

:angel: :laugh:
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: Henry Hawk on April 01, 2010, 08:07:24 AM
again, troll, where have you got the assumption, that I am an "end of timer"....or where you think that I think that Obama is the Anti-Christ?....It is hard for me to take anything you say as serious, you show me way too much ignorance on anything you talk about....you speak in generalizations, and assumptions and act as if YOU are correct........you make Dan seem civil... :razz:

I have no desire to exchange much with you until you start showing some respect....that is the difference between you and the other members here.....if you don't want to give any respect, then I will not waste my time voicing my opinion with you.....I rarely respond to Dan for the same reason.
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: The Troll on April 01, 2010, 08:56:56 AM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 01, 2010, 08:07:24 AM
It is hard for me to take anything you say as serious, you show me way too much ignorance on anything you talk about....you speak in generalizations, and assumptions and act as if YOU are correct........you make Dan seem civil... :razz:
I have no desire to exchange much with you until you start showing some respect...


    I read what you write and I'm suppose to treat you with respect and and kiss your ass.  Sweet  heart, your perverted way of thinking, charity, government, tax paying and your religiosity is beyond belief and you call me ignorant.  I total despise people of your ilk.  You give no quarter and I give you no quarter.  Your greedy and cheap and who I don't call a man.  Sorry,  I love you.

   You and Wolfie can set back and cut ass.  Remember I'm TROLL.  Got a very thick skin from working for and around Authoritarians who think they must be obeyed and if you don't Oby them, they try to destroy you.  They tried and they failed on me in the past and you small timers don't have a chance.  Speak or not to speak that is your decision.  I think your chicken and not chicken hawk

The Troll :yes: :yes: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: Sandy Eggo on April 01, 2010, 08:57:11 AM
So has anyone considered the parallel between these religious, extremist nutjobs and the religious extremist nutjobs in the middle east?

The extremists from the middle east seem to be larger in numbers, more organized, and just smarter about terrorizing and attempting to overthrow the government b/c they've been doing it longer BUT the two are identical in motivation and definition.
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: followsthewolf on April 01, 2010, 09:15:39 AM
A religious nut is a religious nut is a religious nut, no matter what the name of the supreme being is.
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: Henry Hawk on April 01, 2010, 09:26:07 AM
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on April 01, 2010, 08:57:11 AM
So has anyone considered the parallel between these religious, extremist nutjobs and the religious extremist nutjobs in the middle east?

The extremists from the middle east seem to be larger in numbers, more organized, and just smarter about terrorizing and attempting to overthrow the government b/c they've been doing it longer BUT the two are identical in motivation and definition.


I have no arguement with that....
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: me on April 01, 2010, 02:19:08 PM
Hope I don't step on any toes here but that particular denomination is the worst as far as I have observed.  I cringe whenever someone even mentions being a Baptist, especially southern, and back away and start counting fingers and feeling for holes in my back. 

And Troll, if I want any shit from you I'll squeeze your head so don't even start today 'cause I ain't in the mood.
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: Palehorse on April 01, 2010, 02:27:24 PM
Quote from: me on April 01, 2010, 02:19:08 PM
Hope I don't step on any toes here but that particular denomination is the worst as far as I have observed.  I cringe whenever someone even mentions being a Baptist, especially southern, and back away and start counting fingers and feeling for holes in my back. 

And Troll, if I want any shit from you I'll squeeze your head so don't even start today 'cause I ain't in the mood.
:icon_twisted:  I was raised a Southern Baptist, so I know first hand how they can be.  :yes: My mother is a staunch SB and has been her whole life.
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: me on April 01, 2010, 02:32:21 PM
Quote from: Palehorse on April 01, 2010, 02:27:24 PM
:icon_twisted:  I was raised a Southern Baptist, so I know first hand how they can be.  :yes: My mother is a staunch SB and has been her whole life.
Oops, sorry but the only ones I've had the misfortune to run across are total jerks of the first order.  Guess I made the mistake I accuse others of making and lumped them all together in one basket didn't I?   
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: Sandy Eggo on April 01, 2010, 02:50:49 PM
Me too, PH.

As far as I'm concerned you didn't step on my toes. I'm actually thankful to the Southern Baptists for introducing me to religion and the benefits of it, in such a ridiculous manner, that I was logical enough as a child to question it. Had it been a more reasonable faith, it may have taken longer. ;D
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: Palehorse on April 01, 2010, 02:59:59 PM
Quote from: me on April 01, 2010, 02:32:21 PM
Oops, sorry but the only ones I've had the misfortune to run across are total jerks of the first order.  Guess I made the mistake I accuse others of making and lumped them all together in one basket didn't I?

I'm with Sandy, no offense taken at all. I no longer associate myself with any organized religion what so ever.  :) And I'm more critical of them than you could ever be because, like Sandy:
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on April 01, 2010, 02:50:49 PM. . .

As far as I'm concerned you didn't step on my toes. I'm actually thankful to the Southern Baptists for introducing me to religion and the benefits of it, in such a ridiculous manner, that I was logical enough as a child to question it. Had it been a more reasonable faith, it may have taken longer. ;D

ABSOLUTELY SANDY!  :yes: :yes: :yes:

For my part, I was 3/4 of the way out the door once I got a couple of paper routes and mom could no longer drag me to church for my weekly scare sessions on Sundays. Ironically, my Christian University days shoved the last 1/4 of me out on greased rails.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: Henry Hawk on April 01, 2010, 03:01:44 PM
Quote from: Palehorse on April 01, 2010, 02:59:59 PM
And I'm more critical of them than you could ever be

and that is no lie either... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: Palehorse on April 01, 2010, 03:03:01 PM
 :biggrin:
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: followsthewolf on April 01, 2010, 03:09:22 PM
Ain't that crazy?

Baptist church and a couple of tent revivals made me want to puke.

They had no right to physically manhandle small children.

If I could find them today, they would never do that to a child again.
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: Palehorse on April 01, 2010, 03:15:50 PM
Quote from: followsthewolf on April 01, 2010, 03:09:22 PM
Ain't that crazy?

Baptist church and a couple of tent revivals made me want to puke.

They had no right to physically manhandle small children.

If I could find them today, they would never do that to a child again.

I cannot count the Sunday nights I spent unable to sleep because I was awaiting the fire and brimstone lake of fire to swallow my ass up for eternity. . .
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: The Troll on April 01, 2010, 03:20:38 PM
Quote from: me on April 01, 2010, 02:19:08 PM

And Troll, if I want any shit from you I'll squeeze your head so don't even start today 'cause I ain't in the mood.



  NO SHIT OUT OF ME TODAY, "ME"  I'm still weak from thinking about you and Lolly squatting over my grave.  Lolly still hasn't gave me the answer.  Can she still test the pee on my grave for drugs?

The Troll :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :biggrin: ;)

Yeah, I can remember that fire and brimestone preacher when I was 10 years old.  Telling us to get down and pray and pray for our sins.  Because we were not going to be on that Rapture train.  In the name of JEEEEEEEEEEESUS!  Somebody say Amen!  Put something in the pot, boy.
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: LOsborne on April 01, 2010, 08:24:59 PM
Quote from: followsthewolf on April 01, 2010, 03:09:22 PM
They had no right to physically manhandle small children.

If I could find them today, they would never do that to a child again.

FTW, I spent my early years among the Shiite Baptists, like Sandy and PH. Every other year, the church had a particular revivalist come to preach hellfire and brimstone, and shake additional coin out of the pockets of the faithful.

The year I was twelve, I attended a meeting held each Revival for the young women of the congregation. We were told, point-blank, not to put ourselves in a position where we were alone with Brother Dribble EVER! Can you believe it? They KNEW this guy preyed (not to be confused with prayed) on nubile young things, under the age of consent -- and all they did was WARN US NOT TO BE ALONE WITH HIM!!! When I left the church that afternoon, I never went back.

In college I was exposed to many religions, and decided to follow the Insurance Policy dogma for believing in god. But I felt then (and still do) that to maximize my coverage and minimize my liability, it was only logical to believe in all of Them. Still, my favorite has always been Coyote. Think Bugs Bunny ... with super powers. Now that's a god worthy of my praise and devotion!
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: The Troll on April 02, 2010, 07:26:39 AM
  Henry, I'd like to ask you a question.  Have you ever questioned anything that is in the Bible?  All the bad and terrible things God has done to his people?  The flood,  All of the magic, burning bush, parting the waters, Virgin birth?

  Ever have a bad experience with some pinched lipped, narrow nosed person of the church, while you were a kid?  Did you always enjoy the bullshit the church elders put upon you when you were young?

  If you haven't, to me, now don't have a heart attack.  You seem still after all of the years that have passed, you still, to me, still seem very brainwashed.

The Troll  :yes:
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: followsthewolf on April 02, 2010, 08:30:06 AM
Quote from: LOsborne on April 01, 2010, 08:24:59 PM
FTW, I spent my early years among the Shiite Baptists, like Sandy and PH. Every other year, the church had a particular revivalist come to preach hellfire and brimstone, and shake additional coin out of the pockets of the faithful.

The year I was twelve, I attended a meeting held each Revival for the young women of the congregation. We were told, point-blank, not to put ourselves in a position where we were alone with Brother Dribble EVER! Can you believe it? They KNEW this guy preyed (not to be confused with prayed) on nubile young things, under the age of consent -- and all they did was WARN US NOT TO BE ALONE WITH HIM!!! When I left the church that afternoon, I never went back.

In college I was exposed to many religions, and decided to follow the Insurance Policy dogma for believing in god. But I felt then (and still do) that to maximize my coverage and minimize my liability, it was only logical to believe in all of Them. Still, my favorite has always been Coyote. Think Bugs Bunny ... with super powers. Now that's a god worthy of my praise and devotion!

I understand PERFECTLY everything you posted here, Lolly.

The perpetrator and all the bastards who knew about it should have been treated to a little curbstone justice.

Way too much of this existed/exists for it to belong to "fringe groups" in evangelicals.

They terrorize children -- and it lasts a lifetime.
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: Sandy Eggo on April 02, 2010, 08:38:41 AM
It isn't said, but rather strongly implied that if Brother so-and-so does take advantage of you, then it's your fault b/c you were warned.

No details are given. Why should we stay away?

On-the-other-hand, he's an adult and we're taught to respect our elders and face punishment for questioning.

So why can't Brother so-and-so take accountability? He doesn't have to. He just has to ask for forgiveness.
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: me on April 02, 2010, 08:47:57 AM
All I can say about the things I'm reading since I first posted my opinion on this particular bunch is it's even worse than I thought. 
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: Henry Hawk on April 02, 2010, 09:52:26 AM
Quote from: The Troll on April 02, 2010, 07:26:39 AM
  Henry, I'd like to ask you a question.  Have you ever questioned anything that is in the Bible?  All the bad and terrible things God has done to his people?  The flood,  All of the magic, burning bush, parting the waters, Virgin birth?

  Ever have a bad experience with some pinched lipped, narrow nosed person of the church, while you were a kid?  Did you always enjoy the bullshit the church elders put upon you when you were young?

  If you haven't, to me, now don't have a heart attack.  You seem still after all of the years that have passed, you still, to me, still seem very brainwashed.

The Troll  :yes:

AGAIN Troll, you do not know me, you have NO idea of my relationship with God, but yet you act as if I am a fire and brimstone, holly roller bible thumper...

I know better than to feed the trolls, but I will give my 2 cents....

My folks never took me to church as a young kid, I went with my neighbor kids, we walked down the road to a tiny little Christian community church....I never once was taught to be afraid of God, I never felt threatened by anyone there, I ALWAYS felt loved and welcomed....as my teenage years came around, I got away from the Church, but always had a personal realtionship with God.....when I met my wife, we both decided to belong to a Church, we picked on out and began attending every Sunday, it was more of a time of fellowship with some other couples our age with common interests.....

yet as time went on, we got away from that church, mostly due to laziness and not wanting to get up on Sunday morningns....

as we had children, and times got rough that most folks do with kids and jobs, both of us was working very hard, on opposite shifts so we would not have to leave our kids for others to watch and raise...both of us was working on furthering our education to help us find better and more stable jobs....It was then when I began to do some serious soul searching and some serious reaching out to God for guidence.....and THAT is when I began to honestly feel His presence in my life....It is hard for me to explain, but it was/is very real...that is when we decided to go to the church where I attended as a young boy.....it was then, a very good friend of mine was pastoring this church. It was a small church of around 50 of the most loving and giving folks I have ever known.  We decided to become active in this church and we began to help doing food kitchens, and reaching out to those who was lost and needed guidence.....I never once tried to quote any passages from the Bible to "win" anyone over.....I simply did what I felt God wanted me to do...and that was just be myself and serve.....all I can do is pretty much act as my parents taught me to be, and that was to be kind and respectful....IF, I was asked why I belive in God, I would only then share what God has done for me.....I cannot force anyone to have what I have, I cannot force anyone to believe what I believe....nor do I want to force anyone to do anything, but I know what I have learned via, the Holy Bible and how my heart has been touched by what I believe to be the "holy spirit".....how I only became a stronger person when I went through hard times, because of this faith that I have.....and my wife has had a very similar testamony...

Now, you asked me if I every question parts of the Bible?....well YES, of course I have....but, as I have began to study the bible, as of the last five or six years, I have gotten a much clearer understanding of (in my opinion) Gods will and intent for all of us....I think the God gave us the Bible to give us a way to build a realtionship with HIM, despite the evil and horrible things this world has to offer.....that He does offer a better place for ALL who want to make a step of faith and accept His conditions of Love.....not ours, but His.....and many folks think that is wrong, but it is His rules that He set...we can play or not play....our decision.
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: followsthewolf on April 02, 2010, 11:20:11 AM
Nice try, Henry.

Good luck with trying to explain to mr. diplomatic.
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: Henry Hawk on April 02, 2010, 11:21:56 AM
Quote from: followsthewolf on April 02, 2010, 11:20:11 AM
Nice try, Henry.

Good luck with trying to explain to mr. diplomatic.

THX, I'm pretty sure I wasted my time....but, I gave it a shot for what it is worth.
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: The Troll on April 02, 2010, 12:01:21 PM
   Henry, that was some of the best words you have written.  I have work with many strong Christian men, but they never tried to convert me and we had some good time together. 

   All tho I do have a very close friend and fellow pipefitter, who tried ever now and then to SAVE me.  I say, "Pat you going to have to stop that or I might say something about God and I going to hurt your feelings.

   One day he came up to me and put his arm around my shoulder and said, "Troll (not my real name) have you ever thought about changing your life.  I said, Pat I'm happy as I am now.

    I said, Pat doesn't you Bible tell you to treat you body like a temple.  He said, yes.  I said, then why do you smoke a pack of Camel's a day.  Well he gave me several reasons why he didn't.  I said, God has sent you 5 messages to stop smoking.  What you mean 5 messages he said.  I said how about that Pace Maker and the 4 Stints in your heart.  Well after 2 more stint and a new Pace Maker and guess what, he quite smoking.

  Nice piece of writting.    The Troll   :yes: :yes: :yes:
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: LOsborne on April 02, 2010, 04:52:49 PM
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on April 02, 2010, 08:38:41 AM
It isn't said, but rather strongly implied that if Brother so-and-so does take advantage of you, then it's your fault b/c you were warned.

No details are given. Why should we stay away?

On-the-other-hand, he's an adult and we're taught to respect our elders and face punishment for questioning.

So why can't Brother so-and-so take accountability? He doesn't have to. He just has to ask for forgiveness.

I see you had to attend the same meeting.
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: The Troll on April 04, 2010, 11:43:01 AM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 01, 2010, 08:07:24 AMagain, troll, where have you got the assumption, that I am an "end of timer"....or where you think that I think that Obama is the Anti-Christ?....It is hard for me to take anything you say as serious, you show me way too much ignorance on anything you talk about....you speak in generalizations, and assumptions and act as if YOU are correct........you make Dan seem civil... :razz: I have no desire to exchange much with you until you start showing some respect....that is the difference between you and the other members here.....if you don't want to give any respect, then I will not waste my time voicing my opinion with you.....I rarely respond to Dan for the same reason.


   Henry since I have been dragged out my Troll Hole under the bridge and out into the radiant sunlight.  I now can see the wrongness of my ways in this new light.  From now on you can say anything you want and I'll back you 110%.  George Walker Bush will go down in history as one of the greatest president we have ever had.  Right along with Ronald Reagan, Nixon, and maybe Lincoln.  So please forgive me for not understanding you and your ideas. :yes:

The Troll  :smitten: :smitten:
Title: Re: Christian militia charged with conspiring to kill police
Post by: dan foster on April 05, 2010, 10:08:34 PM
Quote from: The Troll on April 04, 2010, 11:43:01 AM

   Henry since I have been dragged out my Troll Hole under the bridge and out into the radiant sunlight.  I now can see the wrongness of my ways in this new light.  From now on you can say anything you want and I'll back you 110%.  George Walker Bush will go down in history as one of the greatest president we have ever had.  Right along with Ronald Reagan, Nixon, and maybe Lincoln.  So please forgive me for not understanding you and your ideas. :yes:

The Troll  :smitten: :smitten:
And I thought we were just all having a healthy debate on these issues.  Guess I need to tone it down a bit.  :angel:  However, I chose to limit all my posts to the UNMODERATED forum so I can be over the top... :icon_twisted: