http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/secret-bible-verses-guns-marines-concerned/story?id=9602030 (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/secret-bible-verses-guns-marines-concerned/story?id=9602030)
Traitorous bastards! :mad:
(http://a.abcnews.com/images/International/ht_scopes_1_100117_ssh.jpg)
The spokesperson said, "I don't know what the difference is". :rolleyes: Ignorant or unscrupulous...it's a draw
Butt-munchers! :mad:
Quote from: dan foster on January 24, 2010, 10:35:02 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/secret-bible-verses-guns-marines-concerned/story?id=9602030 (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/secret-bible-verses-guns-marines-concerned/story?id=9602030)
Traitorous bastards! :mad:
(http://a.abcnews.com/images/International/ht_scopes_1_100117_ssh.jpg)
Jail time is a good antidote for sabotage in war time. The contractor who did this should be in jail, along with good ol' dick and george. The asshole that put the biblical text on Pentagon briefings should be there to clean their cell.
Oh boo-friggin whooo!!!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 25, 2010, 10:18:34 PM
Oh boo-friggin whooo!!!
HH, seriously, can't you see the obvious problem here?
Quote from: Locutus on January 25, 2010, 10:37:19 PM
HH, seriously, can't you see the obvious problem here?
Our congress is so corrupt and you guys are okay with that, but get all out of whack over something like this?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 25, 2010, 10:56:05 PM
Our congress is so corrupt and you guys are okay with that, but get all out of whack over something like this?
No, that's partially the point now isn't it? You give them an inch and they will take twenty miles.
SEPARATION of church and state was paramount to the establishment of this nation. The founding fathers thought it was so important that they utilized language to make this point clear, while still acknowledging the individual right to practice it. Yet, the zealots keep trying to make it a part of government.
Scripture on gun-sights and governmental briefings is just the precursor to a national religion being imposed. NO WAY I say! :no: :no: :no:
Quote from: Palehorse on January 25, 2010, 11:02:07 PM
Scripture on gun-sights and governmental briefings is just the precursor to a national religion being imposed. NO WAY I say! :no: :no: :no:
I think the anti-religious folks are responding to this, as the religious folks responded to "In God We Trut" as our motto....
I think it is wrong for the scriptureon gun-sights. but I think it is a far cry from imposing a national religion...as a mater of fact IF this never ever made the news, it would have never been an issue.....
Quote from: Locutus on January 25, 2010, 10:37:19 PM
HH, seriously, can't you see the obvious problem here?
That's a rhetorical question; right?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 26, 2010, 08:25:45 AM
I think the anti-religious folks are responding to this, as the religious folks responded to "In God We Trut" as our motto....
I think it is wrong for the scriptureon gun-sights. but I think it is a far cry from imposing a national religion...as a mater of fact IF this never ever made the news, it would have never been an issue.....
Yes, the assholes got caught.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 26, 2010, 08:25:45 AM
I think the anti-religious folks are responding to this, as the religious folks responded to "In God We Trut" as our motto....
I think it is wrong for the scriptureon gun-sights. but I think it is a far cry from imposing a national religion...as a mater of fact IF this never ever made the news, it would have never been an issue.....
The "in god we trut" should have never happened, no more than under god in the child's poem known as the "pledge", when it was made "official" by the 1950's, right-wing congress (also when in-god-we-trust was added to paper money). They should be repealed as unconstitutional, for a number of reasons.
seriously, who cares what is on the gun? paint em pink, green and yellow. put lace on the barrel. if someone pointed one at me, i am sure i wouldnt say, that gun is politically incorrect, please make another selection. well, yeah i would, cause i plan to go out giggling.
Quote from: damfast on January 27, 2010, 12:43:47 AM
seriously, who cares what is on the gun? paint em pink, green and yellow. put lace on the barrel. if someone pointed one at me, i am sure i wouldnt say, that gun is politically incorrect, please make another selection. well, yeah i would, cause i plan to go out giggling.
:yes: ;D
Quote from: dan foster on January 26, 2010, 09:40:01 PM
They should be repealed as unconstitutional, for a number of reasons.
Why is it that it has NOT been repealed?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 27, 2010, 10:38:08 AM
Why is it that it has NOT been repealed?
Too many bible-thumpers trying to force their religion onto the rest of us.
Quote from: Exterminator on January 27, 2010, 10:45:04 AM
Too many bible-thumpers trying to force their religion onto the rest of us.
but IF it is unconstitutional, THAT should not make a difference, right?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 27, 2010, 10:51:00 AM
but IF it is unconstitutional, THAT should not make a difference, right?
Exactly right, so get it off the money, keep it out of the buildings, and order an immediate re-write of that POA! :rant:
The religious motto has been challenged by three lawsuits and has been found to be constitutional. The courts basically found that the motto does not endorse religion.
Aronow v. United States, 432 F.2d 242 (1970) in the United States Court of Appeals, Ninth Circuit The court ruled that:
"It is quite obvious that the national motto and the slogan on coinage and currency 'In God We Trust' has nothing whatsoever to do with the establishment of religion. Its use is of patriotic or ceremonial character and bears no true resemblance to a governmental sponsorship of a religious exercise."
"Madalyn Murray O'Hair, et al. v. W. Michael Blumenthal, Secretary of Treasury, et al." 588 F.2d 1144 (1979) in the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit. Ms. O'Hair is (in)famous for successfully challenging compulsory prayer in U.S. public schools. The United States District Court, Western District of Texas, referring to the wording of the Ninth Circuit above, ruled that:
"From this it is easy to deduce that the Court concluded that the primary purpose of the slogan was secular; it served as secular ceremonial purpose in the obviously secular function of providing a medium of exchange. As such it is equally clear that the use of the motto on the currency or otherwise does not have a primary effect of advancing religion."
This ruling was sustained by the Fifth Circuit court.
The Freedom From Religion Foundation, Inc. conducted a national survey which showed that
"In God We Trust" was regarded as religious by an overwhelming percentage of U.S. citizens. They initiated a lawsuit on 1994-JUN-8 in Denver CO to have it removed from U.S. paper currency and coins. They also wanted it to be discontinued as the national motto. Their lawsuit was dismissed by the district Court without trial, on the grounds that "In God We Trust" is not a religious phrase! The Tenth-Circuit federal judge confirmed the dismissal, stating in part:
"...we find that a reasonable observer, aware of the purpose, context, and history of the phrase 'In God we trust,' would not consider its use or its reproduction on U.S. currency to be an endorsement of religion."
http://www.religioustolerance.org/nat_mott.htm (http://www.religioustolerance.org/nat_mott.htm)
No religion is being established and no one is stopped from exercising their religion. It's constitutional...
are you talking to yourself again?
No but you clearly are.
Only because you won't listen to what I have to say...
I've heard it all before. :razz:
again, pertaining to "In God We Trust" issue;
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 27, 2010, 11:59:35 AM
No religion is being established and no one is stopped from exercising their religion. It's constitutional...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 27, 2010, 05:03:18 PM
again, pertaining to "In God We Trust" issue;
Yep, tyranny of the majority, unconstitutionally supported by the courts. However, since it isn't a religious phrase, but one directed at a specific "god", I would suggest equal treatment requires the slogan to be cycled through the other secular slogans and include buddha, allah, satan, yahweh, ja, the sun, the moon, shiva, etc, etc, etc. That way it can't be seen as just your christian god and an establishment of religion, huh MF?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 27, 2010, 11:59:35 AM
No religion is being established and no one is stopped from exercising their religion. It's constitutional...
The door was opened by such stupidity. So, I hope one day you will be choking on "In Allah We Trust". Dumb shite.