Do they? or do they want to keep this as a beating tool for Bush and the Repuclicans?
I really don't see anyone getting excited about the Iraq report....
:confused:
Earth to Henry...there isn't any way to win this war.
Sorry to break it to ya like that, but I was afraid if I sugar-coated it wouldn't sink in. :biggrin:
I respectfully disagree, we CAN win this war or at least accomplish a positive mission, if we can make the Iraqi Army, Police and Gov, be accountable for thier own protection and destiny....and that is very, very do-able....and as a mater of fact, it IS being done...check out the DoD website, we are eliminating Insurgents daily, and the Iraqi people are gaining confidence...you will not read this in the NY Times or her about this on the CBS News...
http://www.defenselink.mil/News/NewsArticle.aspx?ID=2378
http://www.mnf-iraq.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5270&Itemid=41&lang=english (http://www.mnf-iraq.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5270&Itemid=41&lang=english)
Weekly status report:
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/77583.pdf (http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/77583.pdf)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 12, 2006, 04:25:26 PM
I respectfully disagree, we CAN win this war or at least accomplish a positive mission, if we can make the Iraqi Army, Police and Gov, be accountable for thier own protection and destiny....and that is very, very do-able....and as a mater of fact, it IS being done...check out the DoD website, we are eliminating Insurgents daily, and the Iraqi people are gaining confidence...you will not read this in the NY Times or her about this on the CBS News...
So, this is the new definition of what it would take for this to be considered a "win"? It's not a war on terror anymore?
Oh. We have just now devised an exit strategy?
Quote from: MsMojo on December 12, 2006, 04:57:01 PM
So, this is the new definition of what it would take for this to be considered a "win"? It's not a war on terror anymore?
why isn't it?.....we are cappin insugents everyday, and we are teaching the Iraqis to do it, so we don't have too...
you really need to try to put your political preference aside and acknowledge that, WHEN Iraq, gets control of things, and the people begin to establish a free government, ridding the culprits who are militants, and it's economy begins to flourish...it could very well, spread to it's neighboring countries....it IS happening, and I really believe that many here in this country are truely WANTING a failure over there, so it can monopolize it political idiolgy.....
Quote from: followsthewolf on December 12, 2006, 09:35:04 PM
Oh. We have just now devised an exit strategy?
It has basicly been the same as Bush has always stated, by getting the Iraqis to gain control of there own Country.....it is the media and politicians who have been claim likewise....
Guess I musta got confused by the "mission accomplished" thing a few years ago.
Expected we'd be out by now.
I'm sure I got it wrong.
The prezdent wouldn't mislead nobody.
After all, he is the prezdent, an' such.
An' he's wiser 'n me, an' he sure don't lie.
I'm jus' gittin' so confoosed lately.
Hmmmmmmm...............................
You keep tellin' yourself Henry and perhaps you can continue to keep the truth from sinkin' in. BTW, just a note about your sources...doncha think that perhaps that DefenseLink, which get's it's butter for it's bread, from the Department of Defense might be a lil' biased towards the one that signs the check? They're not going to say we screwed up because there's no job security in that. Try again.
Tell me the truth, would it make you happy, if over the course of the next month, that 95% of the violence, ceased. Iraq began to establish and "form" of democracy?....I honestly believe there would be many, who would be dissappointed....
I would be happy if this were all over and everybody packed it up and brought it home. IF the violence ceased...that would be wonderful, however to think that it will ever happen in Iraq is wishful thinking. Too many of our soldiers have died in an attempt to help Iraq establish peace..my concern is that it's all in vain.
Quote from: MsMojo on December 13, 2006, 08:23:46 AM
I would be happy if this were all over and everybody packed it up and brought it home. IF the violence ceased...that would be wonderful, however to think that it will ever happen in Iraq is wishful thinking. Too many of our soldiers have died in an attempt to help Iraq establish peace..my concern is that it's all in vain.
If we are not successful, then if very well could be in vain.....my point is,
if the world would rally around them, force Syria and Iran to keep out...get the Iraqi people confident and able to support themselves....this could be a very successful time for the world.....
we just have a different take on "winning".
us winning - no more dead people.
you winning - everybody dead.
Quote from: awol on December 13, 2006, 12:40:27 PM
we just have a different take on "winning".
us winning - no more dead people.
you winning - everybody dead.
now you being a REAL Poopiehead...
I forgot, if the democrats (us, as you put it) is in control.....nobody will die anymore.....damn, what was I thinkin.....I really thought it would be better if everybody died.....poopiehead....as a mater of fact that was the most poopieheaded thing I've heard on here in a long time...
I sure don't want the terrorists knocking on my door. I bet they are loving all this bickering going on in America over the war. I haven't
heard anyone say they liked war. Try going to the 9/11 Smithsonian
in DC. Listen to the tapes, look at the pictures, watch the film clips, etc.
I promise you that you won't come out with dry eyes. I was in upstate NY when that all happen, it was scary. I know that each one of us would
love for our troops to come home and they will. I just hope they aren't
treated like the Viet Nam veterans were. I wish that our government
wasn't so divided on so many issues and would work together. God Bless America!
I think the administration is finally coming around to the general idea that most of us have had for years:
Let the Iraqis settle their own problems; we cannot do it for them.
When it was suggested many times, the administration labeled it "cut and run."
I just want the political bs to stop so troops can come home safe.
And, no, they won't be treated like Viet Nam vets.
Possibly, that is one lesson we DID learn from that "conflict."
QuoteTell me the truth, would it make you happy, if over the course of the next month, that 95% of the violence, ceased. Iraq began to establish and "form" of democracy?....I honestly believe there would be many, who would be dissappointed....
Why? Because of politics? Only the scumbags with political ambitions would. Any politician that still has a shred of human decency in him/her would not be dissappointed. Using our tax dollars to better America rather than a destroy Iraq? Yea, that would piss me off. :rolleyes:
Quote from: followsthewolf on January 15, 2007, 09:00:59 AM
I think the administration is finally coming around to the general idea that most of us have had for years:
Let the Iraqis settle their own problems; we cannot do it for them.
When it was suggested many times, the administration labeled it "cut and run."
I just want the political bs to stop so troops can come home safe.
And, no, they won't be treated like Viet Nam vets.
Possibly, that is one lesson we DID learn from that "conflict."
yeah. either that or the oil is ready to flow...hmmm.
awol posted:
"yeah. either that or the oil is ready to flow...hmmm"
You cynical ba$tard, you!!!!
:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Quote from: followsthewolf on January 15, 2007, 02:18:35 PM
You cynical ba$tard, you!!!!
:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
what?
(where's that whistles innocently smiley?)
I know *sniff* ya never have the right smiley when ya need it.
crap.
Quote from: MsMojo on December 12, 2006, 02:27:19 PM
Sorry to break it to ya like that, but I was afraid if I sugar-coated it wouldn't sink in. :biggrin:
Good girl! NO sugar coating!!! :biggrin:
Quote from: PIYA on December 12, 2006, 02:01:17 PM
Earth to Henry...there isn't any way to win this war.
A War We Just Might Win http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/30/opinion/30pollack.html?_r=3&pagewanted=1&oref=slogin&oref=slogin (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/30/opinion/30pollack.html?_r=3&pagewanted=1&oref=slogin&oref=slogin)
Methods That Work in Iraqhttp://www.americanthinker.com/2007/07/methods_that_work_in_iraq.html (http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/07/methods_that_work_in_iraq.html)
Shocking New York Times Op-ed: Iraq Is 'A War We Just Might Win'http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/07/30/shocking-new-york-times-op-ed-iraq-war-we-just-might-win (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/07/30/shocking-new-york-times-op-ed-iraq-war-we-just-might-win)
U.S. Widens Push to Use Armed Iraqi Residentshttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/27/AR2007072702566_pf.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/27/AR2007072702566_pf.html)
what seemed impossible a few months ago, is now being deemed as a possiblity by the media.....
not a chance.
"winning" the war would mean ending the war.
that ain't gonna happen as long as those in power are making money off of it.
The first three links were editorials, the opinion of three individuals, hardly "the media" as a whole, which is your implication and in the 4th link, I fail to see how you were able to get anything close to "winning" from it. Care to point out what you saw that made you think that?
Oooh--AWOL--
YOU'VE BEEN SERVED!
:smile:
how do you figure?