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This guy started this radio station so people would learn about "peaceful" Muslims like himself. Guess he proved himself wrong. Do we want this coming to America?
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Losing our heads over multiculturalism
by Joseph Farah
www.wnd.com
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Posted: February 17, 2009
1:00 am Eastern
© 2009
You don't normally hear about beheadings in the United States.
But perhaps you should prepare yourself to hear more about them in the future.
The day before Valentine's Day, which has always been a holiday associated with maximum repression against women in the Islamic world, a Muslim TV executive in New York decapitated his wife.
Mo Hassan, founder of Bridges TV, a station whose mission was "fostering understanding between cultures and diverse populations," cut off the head of his wife, Aasiya Hassan, 37, who had recently filed for divorce. What she got instead was, what I call, "divorce Islamist-style."
By the way, Mrs. Hassan was listed as general manager of the station. Perhaps the couple should have focused on fostering mutual understanding between themselves rather than preaching to Americans unaccustomed to the concept of divorce through beheading.
Mo Hassan wanted to portray Muslims in a more positive light. That was the goal of his TV station.
My guess is he never reported how common beheading is in his former homeland of Pakistan or throughout the Islamic world.
Just a week ago, Taliban terrorists in that country beheaded a Polish geologist abducted in an effort to arrange a prisoner swap.
An American U.N. worker, John Solecki, is currently facing a similar fate at the hands of Islamic terrorists in that country.
Terrorists in Pakistan video recorded the beheading of American reporter Daniel Pearl.
Terrorists in Iraq video recorded the beheading of American Nicholas Berg.
Beheading is a common form of execution in Saudi Arabia.
Beheading is a common way to conduct a so-called "honor killing" – the murder of a wife – throughout the Islamic world.
The question Americans need to consider very carefully is whether they want this kind of "cultural diversity" in their country.
Who was behind Bridges TV? Some familiar names:
Nihad Awad, executive director of the controversial Council on American-Islamic Relations
Iman W. Deen Muhammad, president of the American Society of Muslims
Muhammad Ali
NBA star Hakeem Olajuwon
When the station was founded, Awad emphasized the importance of North American Muslims having "our own media outlets, our own timing and our own kind of programming."
"Therefore, we can decide what kind of messages we send out," he said.
CAIR's communications director, Ibrahim Hooper, said Bridges TV "is just an example of the growing maturity and sophistication of the American Muslim community that people are even at this stage where we can contemplate this kind of network."
"So I think it's a good sign for the community, and we encourage everyone to support it," he said.
Get Farah's prescription for what ails the nation – "Taking America Back: A Radical Plan to Revive Freedom" – autographed!
By the way, perhaps you'd like to explore the kind of programming Hassan offered before he was charged with second-degree murder. (I wonder what you have to do to get charged with first-degree murder in New York state?) The Middle East Media Research Institute had monitored Bridges TV to see just what kind of bridges were being built:
One religious figure who appeared Oct. 3 said Muslims have a duty to change America and to increase their numbers to 50 percent of the population from 2 percent. He recommended that Shariah, or Islamic law, be implemented in American courts.
During a roundtable discussion on the Arab-Israeli conflict Oct. 5, one participant offered a solution: "For the Jews to leave and return to Europe."
Bridges TV aired a speech by the influential Muslim scholar Jamal Badawi on Oct. 4. Badawi, who teaches Islam throughout North America, gave an interview to the Saudi Gazette June 24, 2005, in which he raised questions about who was behind the 9/11 attacks and suggested that Americans could be behind the car bombings of Iraqi markets.
Every night, Bridges TV showed a news program, "Talking Points." Its guest Oct. 4 was Imam Mohammad Alo Elahi, whom it described as a leading "interfaith figure." According to his own website, Imam Elahi was a spiritual leader in Ayatollah Khomeini's Iranian navy and also is the leader of "one of the largest mosques in the U.S.," in Dearborn, Mich. The site also describes his meetings with world leaders and shows photographs of him with the spiritual adviser of Hezbollah, Ayatollah Muhammad Hussein Fadlallah; Ayatollah Khomeini; two more recent leaders of Iran and Louis Farrakhan.
Throughout the day, Bridges TV aired segments of Quranic verses, quite a few of which denounce "unbelievers." One notable verse that aired Oct. 9 praised martyrdom.
During the Islamic holy month of Ramadan, the channel showed official, Saudi government-controlled Wahhabi sermons from Mecca's holiest mosque, Al-Haram. The sermons streamed live via Saudi TV Channel, one every day at 4 p.m., and Bridges TV added its own English subtitles. An anti-Jewish, anti-Christian sermon from Oct. 5 included the call, "May God destroy them!"
Well, as they say, who are we to judge?
One culture is not better than another, is it?
We just need to be a little more tolerant.
We just need to build more bridges.
garden, i too feel the way u do-- i'm all for freedom of religion but the way it's practiced in the Middle East is beyond the realm of 200-frikkin'-9!!!-- look for the Izzies to do something clandestine in Iran-- i love how they're taking out their nuke scientists, at least so i've heard-- Regards, probus
One thing for sure those who refer to them as "so called terrorists" and think they can be talked to and will see the error of their ways have hit their heads.
What a bunch of bigoted horse crap. Should we start assigning blame to Christianity for any atrocity ever committed by a Christian?
Quote from: Exterminator on February 19, 2009, 08:59:43 AM
What a bunch of bigoted horse crap. Should we start assigning blame to Christianity for any atrocity ever committed by a Christian?
Hum, guess you're one of those who would prefer they be called "freedom fighters" and think they're within their rights to behead people who dare speak against them or do anything they don't like.
You really don't get it, do you?
Quote from: Exterminator on February 19, 2009, 09:27:56 AM
You really don't get it, do you?
Why don't you explain it to me?
Quote from: me on February 19, 2009, 09:31:40 AM
Why don't you explain it to me?
You are assigning to all muslims, most of whom don't think this way, what one whack job did. Jeffery Dahmer was a Christian; does that mean you eat people?
Quote from: Exterminator on February 19, 2009, 09:40:34 AM
You are assigning to all muslims, most of whom don't think this way, what one whack job did. Jeffery Dahmer was a Christian; does that mean you eat people?
Think Ex think.....I am referring to the ones in the above article and that particular group of people not Muslims as a whole.
QuoteJust a week ago, Taliban terrorists in that country beheaded a Polish geologist abducted in an effort to arrange a prisoner swap.
Garbage; the intent of that article is clearly to imply that all Muslims think that way.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 19, 2009, 09:46:49 AM
Garbage; the intent of that article is clearly to imply that all Muslims think that way.
Isn't it a little hard to breathe with your head in the sand?
Quote from: me on February 19, 2009, 09:53:07 AM
Isn't it a little hard to breathe with your head in the sand?
Not as hard as it must be for you with yours up your arse.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 19, 2009, 09:54:23 AM
Not as hard as it must be for you with yours up your arse.
Ya know EX...I think you just like to argue.... :biggrin:
All Muslims are not terrorists and all terrorists are not Muslim.
My thought is that if one thinks their religion calls for the killing of others who do not believe the same as they, then they have seriously misunderstood something very important and are on the WRONG path.
As for the article, it merely point out that what is comonplace in some Islamic cultures is becoming anecdotal here, and we would be wise to take note of that. At least, that's what I took from it. I certainly did not take it as a "trashing" of the entire religion of Islam; but then again, I seldom over-react and over-emotionalize everything as some others do.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on February 19, 2009, 11:50:10 AM
All Muslims are not terrorists and all terrorists are not Muslim.
Perhaps you meant, "...nor are all terrorists Muslim", Sandy.
Your point is technically correct. In reality, however, an overwhelming majority of terrorists are indeed Muslim.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 19, 2009, 09:46:49 AM
Garbage; the intent of that article is clearly to imply that all Muslims think that way.
I didn't happen to read it that way. I took it as an approach with caution article in regards to motives of certain groups of Muslims.
QuotePosted: February 17, 2009
1:00 am Eastern
© 2009
You don't normally hear about beheadings in the United States.
But perhaps you should prepare yourself to hear more about them in the future.
The day before Valentine's Day, which has always been a holiday associated with maximum repression against women in the Islamic world, a Muslim TV executive in New York decapitated his wife.
Mo Hassan, founder of Bridges TV, a station whose mission was "fostering understanding between cultures and diverse populations," cut off the head of his wife, Aasiya Hassan, 37, who had recently filed for divorce. What she got instead was, what I call, "divorce Islamist-style."
By the way, Mrs. Hassan was listed as general manager of the station. Perhaps the couple should have focused on fostering mutual understanding between themselves rather than preaching to Americans unaccustomed to the concept of divorce through beheading.
Mo Hassan wanted to portray Muslims in a more positive light. That was the goal of his TV station.
QuoteBy the way, perhaps you'd like to explore the kind of programming Hassan offered before he was charged with second-degree murder. (I wonder what you have to do to get charged with first-degree murder in New York state?) The Middle East Media Research Institute had monitored Bridges TV to see just what kind of bridges were being built:
One religious figure who appeared Oct. 3 said Muslims have a duty to change America and to increase their numbers to 50 percent of the population from 2 percent. He recommended that Shariah, or Islamic law, be implemented in American courts.
During a roundtable discussion on the Arab-Israeli conflict Oct. 5, one participant offered a solution: "For the Jews to leave and return to Europe."
Quote
Every night, Bridges TV showed a news program, "Talking Points." Its guest Oct. 4 was Imam Mohammad Alo Elahi, whom it described as a leading "interfaith figure." According to his own website, Imam Elahi was a spiritual leader in Ayatollah Khomeini's Iranian navy and also is the leader of "one of the largest mosques in the U.S.," in Dearborn, Mich. The site also describes his meetings with world leaders and shows photographs of him with the spiritual adviser of Hezbollah, Ayatollah Muhammad Hussein Fadlallah; Ayatollah Khomeini; two more recent leaders of Iran and Louis Farrakhan.
Quote from: Ghost of Jaco on February 19, 2009, 11:55:28 AM
In reality, however, an overwhelming majority of terrorists are indeed Muslim.
In reality, it is entirely subjective.
No Jaco, I meant it as it was posted. That's my posting style ;D
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on February 19, 2009, 01:39:36 PM
No Jaco, I meant it as it was posted. That's my posting style ;D
Remember Oklahoma City??? As far as I know they were not Muslim. . . :wink:
Quote from: Palehorse on February 19, 2009, 01:41:44 PM
Remember Oklahoma City??? As far as I know they were not Muslim. . . :wink:
and they did not behead anyone.........THAT is what the article was about...at least that is what I read...and that is what this post is about.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 19, 2009, 03:00:51 PM
and they did not behead anyone.........THAT is what the article was about...at least that is what I read...and that is what this post is about.
No. . .they just killed a lot of innocent people all at one time; including children.
Quote from: Palehorse on February 19, 2009, 03:10:31 PM
No. . .they just killed a lot of innocent people all at one time; including children.
...while talkin' to geebuz on a two-way radio.
Quote from: Palehorse on February 19, 2009, 03:10:31 PM
No. . .they just killed a lot of innocent people all at one time; including children.
PH, THAT was not what anybody was talking about.....the article was talking about muslims and beheadings...and it got sidetracked by ex, that it was a bigoted article...and whatever....it seems to me, that this is becoming a place to argue, like to old Hey Martha, rather than discussions...
I think we're having a fairly decent discussion considering that we started with a bigoted article from the world nut daily. :biggrin:
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on February 19, 2009, 04:26:51 PM
I think we're having a fairly decent discussion considering that we started with a bigoted article from the world nut daily. :biggrin:
I read it as an article about one guy who is trying to talk for the peace of his religion showing what he is really all about when he beheaded his wife. It is others who decided that I was lumping the religion as a whole into my comments. Why do you guy's always have to read so much more into things than are really there?
Bottom line: he's a whacknut extremist no matter what religion he supposedly endorsed.
I can see the subliminal suggestion or desire to cast muslims in a bad light from it too though.
That's my point, PH. Besides, any article from the WND is suspect anyway.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on February 19, 2009, 06:32:31 PM
That's my point, PH. Besides, any article from the WND is suspect anyway.
:rolleyes:
Here all better now? :razz:
Muslim TV exec accused of beheading wife in NY
By CAROLYN THOMPSON, Associated Press Writer Carolyn Thompson, Associated Press Writer – Wed Feb 18, 2:06 am ET
ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. – The crime drips with brutal irony: a woman decapitated, allegedly by her estranged husband, in the offices of the television network the couple founded with the hope of countering Muslim stereotypes.
Muzzammil "Mo" Hassan is accused of beheading his wife last week, days after she filed for divorce. Authorities have not discussed the role religion or culture might have played, but the slaying gave rise to speculation that it was the sort of "honor killing" more common in countries half a world away, including the couple's native Pakistan.
Funeral services for Aasiya Hassan, 37, were Tuesday. Her 44-year-old husband is scheduled to appear for a felony hearing Wednesday.
The Hassans lived in Orchard Park — a well-off Buffalo suburb that hadn't seen a homicide since 1986 — and started Bridges TV there in 2004 with the message of developing understanding between North America and the Middle East and South Asia. The network, available across the U.S. and Canada, was believed to be the first English-language cable station aimed at the rapidly growing Muslim demographic.
Orchard Park Police Chief Andrew Benz said his officers had responded to domestic incidents involving the couple, most recently Feb. 6, the day Mo Hassan was served with the divorce papers and an order of protection.
"I've never heard him raise his voice," said Paul Moskal, who became friendly with the couple while he was chief counsel for the FBI in Buffalo. Moskal would answer questions in forums aired on Bridges TV that were intended to improve understanding between Muslim-Americans and law enforcement.
"His personal life kind of betrayed what he tried to portray publicly," Moskal said.
On Feb. 12, Hassan went to a police station and told officers his wife was dead at the TV studio.
"We found her laying in the hallway the offices were off of," Benz said. Aasiya Hassan's head was near her body.
"I don't know if (the method of death) does mean anything," said the chief, who would not discuss what weapon may have been used. "We certainly want to investigate anything that has any kind of merit. It's not a normal thing you would see."
Hassan was not represented by an attorney at an initial appearance on a charge of second-degree murder. Neither police nor the Erie County district attorney's office knew if he had hired a lawyer.
The New York president of the National Organization for Women, Marcia Pappas, condemned prosecutors for referring to the death as an apparent case of domestic violence.
"This was, apparently, a terroristic version of 'honor killing,'" a statement from NOW said.
Nadia Shahram, who teaches family law and Islam at the University at Buffalo Law School, explained honor killing as a practice still accepted among fanatical Muslim men who feel betrayed by their wives.
"If a woman breaks the law which the husband or father has placed for the wife or daughter, honor killing has been justified," said Shahram, who was a regular panelist on a law show produced by Bridges TV. "It happens all the time. It's been practiced in countries such as Pakistan and in India."
Acquaintances said Mo Hassan was not overtly religious — co-workers did not see him pray, for instance. But he seemed to adhere to many traditional practices.
Nancy Sanders, the television station's news director for 2 1/2 years, remembers him asking her to move her feet during her job interview so he would not see her legs. She was wearing a skirt and stockings.
He also would not let women enter his office unless his wife was there, and he blocked the station from airing a story about the first Muslim woman to win the title of Miss England in 2005, Sanders said.
Acquaintances said Aasiya Hassan was trained as an architect. Sanders described her as obedient to her husband, and that she wore a traditional hijab for a time but later stopped without explanation.
"She was beautiful, small, delicately built," she said, "while Mo would fill up a door frame. I always thought of him as a gentle giant."
Sanders, who left Bridges TV a year ago, said co-workers traded stories about Hassan's apparent violent streak, including one which had him running his wife's car off the road while the couple's two young children were inside. Aasiya herself never spoke of it, she said.
"I just do not feel it was an honor killing," Sanders added. "I think it was domestic abuse that got out of control."
Erie County District Attorney Frank Sedita did not immediately respond to The Associated Press' request for a copy of the order of protection issued against Mo Hassan. Divorce records are sealed in New York state. Aasiya Hassan's lawyer would not reveal the reasons for the divorce filing.
Hassan graduated with an MBA from the Simon School of Business at the University of Rochester in 1996, according to the TV station's Web site. Bridges broadcasts all over the United States and in Canada on various cable providers and Verizon FiOS. As of 6 p.m. Tuesday, the network was not broadcasting in the Buffalo area.
There was no answer at the network on Tuesday and it's Web site has a message saying Bridges is shocked and saddened and requests privacy.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090218/ap_on_re_us/wife_beheaded
This reminds me why I've just about quit comming here; too many contemptable personalities, especially from the PC left and you know who you are, that can only get expression, or recognition, on some forum. Try life sometime - or is it not that rewarding?
Quote from: Monroe on February 19, 2009, 09:24:21 PM
This reminds me why I've just about quit comming here; too many contemptable personalities, especially from the PC left and you know who you are, that can only get expression, or recognition, on some forum. Try life sometime - or is it not that rewarding?
Don't desert me, Henry, GJ, Gardengirl, and the others Monroe....we sane people have got to stick together. :yes:
Quote from: me on February 19, 2009, 09:15:46 PM
Here all better now? :razz:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090218/ap_on_re_us/wife_beheaded
Much, see the difference? This article doesn't attempt to imply that violence is a symptom of being Muslim. In fact, it pretty clearly indicates that the fact the guy is a nutbar is more the reason for his actions than his religion.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on February 19, 2009, 10:51:21 PM
Much, see the difference? This article doesn't attempt to imply that violence is a symptom of being Muslim. In fact, it pretty clearly indicates that the fact the guy is a nutbar is more the reason for his actions than his religion.
Which is how I read the other article. :razz:
Quote from: me on February 19, 2009, 09:34:46 PM
Don't desert me, Henry, GJ, Gardengirl, and the others Monroe....we INsane people have got to stick together. :yes:
Fixed it for you.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on February 19, 2009, 10:54:09 PM
Fixed it for you.
Yer hopeless ya know that.... :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on February 19, 2009, 10:53:02 PM
Which is how I read the other article. :razz:
Good for you, but that's not how it's written. World Nut Daily is known for drama and bias.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on February 19, 2009, 10:55:22 PM
Good for you, but that's not how it's written. World Nut Daily is known for drama and bias.
But why just assume that everyone reads things the way you do? I still don't think you get it do ya?
The POINT is, here is a man, a muslim (used to be called moslems), who founded a radio station to PROVE that muslims were not all the crazies screaming "thpthpthpthp" and running with a sword ready to cut off the infidels' heads, and here he turns around and beheads his own wife! That is the HEIGHTH of irony!
me, I guess it's just my hope that everyone reads for content. If you didn't then you missed the fact that the first article has an agenda other that to tell the story of a murderous nutbar. Sources are important and reading the intent is just as important as the actual article. Honestly, if you can't see the difference between the two articles then I'm wasting my time trying to explain to you why you should.
IMO I don't think for the most part it matters how the article is written there are going to be some people who will lump all of any religion, race, or whatever into the same category as the person being written about.
How many be headings are we talking about? One? Is that worse than the lady who ran her cheating husband over with the car 4 times? People snap all the time. I don't think ethnicity has anything to do with mental stability!
Did anyone watch the show about the mountain people in the Appalachian mountains? They are inbred and shoot each other over Oxycontin. When are we going to be pissed about that?
I guess we aren't because they are technically white and American. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on February 19, 2009, 11:04:01 PM
But why just assume that everyone reads things the way you do?
This is a perfect example of the importance of literacy.
Quote from: Palehorse on February 19, 2009, 01:41:44 PM
Remember Oklahoma City??? As far as I know they were not Muslim. . . :wink:
I see...so one instance of non-Muslim* terror in the US convinces you that Sandy is correct: ALL terrorists are not Muslim.
Really? Not a single one?
The ReligionofPeace.com begs to differ, and they keep a running tally.
As of today, since 9/11 there have been 12,762 DEADLY attacks carried out by Islamic terrorists.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/LinktoTROP.htm
*There is some evidence of a Muslim connection to Timothy McVeigh: http://www.jaynadavis.com/highlights.html
Quote from: Ghost of Jaco on February 20, 2009, 09:51:40 AM
I see...so one instance of non-Muslim* terror in the US convinces you that Sandy is correct: ALL terrorists are not Muslim.
Really? Not a single one?
The ReligionofPeace.com begs to differ, and they keep a running tally.
As of today, since 9/11 there have been 12,762 DEADLY attacks carried out by Islamic terrorists.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/LinktoTROP.htm
*There is some evidence of a Muslim connection to Timothy McVeigh: http://www.jaynadavis.com/highlights.html
I possess neither the time nor inclination to address unnecessary dissection and over analysis of a statement taken out of context, or manipulated to appear to have stated something other than that which was clear.
I am also not inclined to waste what little time I have in addressing conspiracy theories at this point in time.
It seems to me everybody is making a bigger deal out of this than what it is.......
the story was about a man who preached multi-culturism....on his tv show....he was against the stero-typing of muslims........THEN he cuts his wifes head off..............it is just, to me, an ironic story....that's all.
Quote from: me on February 20, 2009, 12:03:03 AM
IMO I don't think for the most part it matters how the article is written there are going to be some people who will lump all of any religion, race, or whatever into the same category as the person being written about.
On the contrary, when there are still people in the world who cannot discern the difference between opinion and fact, the way something is written is vitally important. The fact that you were able to table the bigotry and just read the actual story is a good thing, but not everyone can do that.
The original article wasn't just about the man beheading his wife.
With the exception of this one sentence:
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"I just do not feel it was an honor killing," Sanders added. "I think it was domestic abuse that got out of control."
I see nothing in the other article to lead anyone to believe it is written in such a way as to not do the same thing you're saying the other article might do. How many people are going to read that one sentence to see it might have been something other than an honor killing practiced by his religion? How many are going to see it and say, "ya right out of hand domestic dispute". Maybe the entire story should have been ignored as racial or religious profiling. How about if no one refers to age, race, religion, hair color, or education in articles of this nature in the future? Let's be politically correct to the nth degree.
Quote from: me on February 20, 2009, 12:53:54 PM
With the exception of this one sentence: I see nothing in the other article to lead anyone to believe it is written in such a way as to not do the same thing you're saying the other article might do. How many people are going to read that one sentence to see it might have been something other than an honor killing practiced by his religion? How many are going to see it and say, "ya right out of hand domestic dispute". Maybe the entire story should have been ignored as racial or religious profiling. How about if no one refers to age, race, religion, hair color, or education in articles of this nature in the future? Let's be politically correct to the nth degree.
How about we just call a spade a spade and let it go at your reading comprehension isn't good enough for you to be able to discern the difference in tone between the two articles?
Quote from: me on February 20, 2009, 12:53:54 PM
With the exception of this one sentence: I see nothing in the other article to lead anyone to believe it is written in such a way as to not do the same thing you're saying the other article might do. How many people are going to read that one sentence to see it might have been something other than an honor killing practiced by his religion? How many are going to see it and say, "ya right out of hand domestic dispute". Maybe the entire story should have been ignored as racial or religious profiling. How about if no one refers to age, race, religion, hair color, or education in articles of this nature in the future? Let's be politically correct to the nth degree.
Did we read the same article? I started highlighting phrases that clearly indicates the author's intent to paint Muslims as evil and beheadings as common in their culture as changing socks. I stopped because I would end up highlighting the entire article. How did you miss this?
Quote from: Gardengirl on February 18, 2009, 10:55:10 PM
You don't normally hear about beheadings in the United States.
But perhaps you should prepare yourself to hear more about them in the future.
The day before Valentine's Day, which has always been a holiday associated with maximum repression against women in the Islamic world, a Muslim TV executive in New York decapitated his wife.
what I call, "divorce Islamist-style."
My guess is he never reported how common beheading is in his former homeland of Pakistan or throughout the Islamic world.
Just a week ago, Taliban terrorists in that country beheaded a Polish geologist abducted in an effort to arrange a prisoner swap.
An American U.N. worker, John Solecki, is currently facing a similar fate at the hands of Islamic terrorists in that country.
Terrorists in Pakistan video recorded the beheading of American reporter Daniel Pearl.
But isn't that all fact?
Quote from: me on February 20, 2009, 01:06:21 PM
But isn't that all fact?
Well, pat yourself on the back. I'm utterly speechless and I can't say that happens very often.
Isn't it the reporters observations of facts?
Quote from: me on February 20, 2009, 01:12:21 PM
Isn't it the reporters observations of facts?
But, c'mon me...........YOU GOT to be POLITICALY correct.....somebody MIGHT get hurt feelings...even if it is 100% true.....
again, this was a pretty simple story.............and it seemed like ALL everyone could do is turn this into a ....bigoted and mean story.....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 20, 2009, 01:18:37 PM
But, c'mon me...........YOU GOT to be POLITICALY correct.....somebody MIGHT get hurt feelings...even if it is 100% true.....
again, this was a pretty simple story.............and it seemed like ALL everyone could do is turn this into a ....bigoted and mean story.....
Seems as how they've had their common sense educated right out of them. Of course that's only my uneducated humble opinion.... :rolleyes:
I'm going to give this another try:
When I read, unless it's intended to be fiction. I only want the facts, not personal observations or opinions of the authors.
The connection between any of these "facts" is fallacious and intended to influence the reader's view of Muslims in general.
Why exactly SHOULD we, as Americans, become more accustomed to witnessing beheadings in America?
How is the connection to these other isolated incidents germane to the story about the man beheading his wife?
Why tie the holiday into the equation? I'm not sure that Muslims observe Valentine's day. If not that doesn't mean they're repressed and certainly has nothing to do w/this murder.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 20, 2009, 01:18:37 PM
But, c'mon me...........YOU GOT to be POLITICALY correct.....somebody MIGHT get hurt feelings...even if it is 100% true.....
again, this was a pretty simple story.............and it seemed like ALL everyone could do is turn this into a ....bigoted and mean story.....
It's not, the second article posted is a reporting of the facts that pertain to the incident. The first one is biased tripe.
I find people who can't tell the difference frightening. It makes you an easy target for anything that an author wants you to think.
Quote from: me on February 20, 2009, 01:23:24 PM
Seems as how they've had their common sense educated right out of them. Of course that's only my uneducated humble opinion.... :rolleyes:
How do you make a connection between your being wrong and "us" not having common sense? That doesn't even PASS the common sense test. :rolleyes:
If you and Henry aren't willing or able to read critically then that's to your own detriment. I'm tired of trying to explain to you and help you understand why it's important.
I find it amazing that no one read the article as anything but what it meant except for you Dems. Those of us on the other side read nothing more than what the other article expressed. Why is that? Do you think no one but you, not meaning you personally, can tell the difference between a writers opinion and the actual story? Why is it so wrong for WND to do what the NYT does daily in a lot of their stories?
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on February 20, 2009, 01:33:48 PM
How do you make a connection between your being wrong and "us" not having common sense? That doesn't even PASS the common sense test. :rolleyes:
If you and Henry aren't willing or able to read critically then that's to your own detriment. I'm tired of trying to explain to you and help you understand why it's important.
No, no; they're right and we're wrong. From this we can discern that, vis a vis Ted Haggart, all Christians are meth-snorting pole-smokers.
Quote from: me on February 20, 2009, 01:38:54 PM
I find it amazing that no one read the article as anything but what it meant except for you Dems.
Actually, those of us who can read understood exactly what it meant.
And those of us who have common realize that what the reporter said was not really necessary to the story and read it but dismissed it as her opinion and read the story. It didn't incite a darn thing. Freedom of speech is what it boils down to here and she was exercising hers.
Quote from: me on February 20, 2009, 01:53:18 PM
And those of us who have common realize that what the reporter said was not really necessary to the story and read it but dismissed it as her opinion and read the story. It didn't incite a darn thing. Freedom of speech is what it boils down to here and she was exercising hers.
I don't dispute that the article was her opinion and she was exercising her right to offer it but her opinion is clearly that this is the norm for all Muslims rather than the exception and, as such, is bigoted horse-crap.
IMO you're still making a mountain out of a molehill over this.
Quote from: me on February 20, 2009, 01:38:54 PM
Do you think no one but you, not meaning you personally, can tell the difference between a writers opinion and the actual story?
If you care to go back to this thread ... http://theunknownzone.us/smf/index.php?topic=13277.0 (http://theunknownzone.us/smf/index.php?topic=13277.0)
We have already established that you can't tell the difference between
Opinion http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_mccaughey&sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_mccaughey&sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs)
and
Facthttp://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h1eh.txt.pdf (http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h1eh.txt.pdf)
And you can't remember that I also stated that I had the same concerns before I even read that article. Her opinion had nothing to do with what I thought the fear was already there.
Quote from: me on February 20, 2009, 01:59:43 PM
IMO you're still making a mountain out of a molehill over this.
IMO, you're talking out of both sides of your face. On the one hand, you say that the article didn't have any bigoted overtones and on the other you say that those non-existent overtones are merely the author's opinion and should not be considered when reading the article as a news source. Which is it?
I still didn't say it had bigoted overtones I said it wasn't necessary to the article there is a difference ya know.
I think I speak for most of us when I say...WTF?
What is more bigoted and mean than cutting off your wife's head?????????
Hellooooooo out there! This was an opinion piece, but it used FACT when it comes to this story. It is not subjective, it is not a lie. It is saying that if a muslim man who has gone to the trouble to try to prove muslims are not crazy violent and then he himself uses the very way of killing they are criticized for, then where is the hope this isn't imbedded in the religion. I believe it is, and I also believe billions of muslims believe all infidels (non-muslims) should be killed.
Just go back and look at what happened when the crusaders, in the search for the holy grail, encountered a Jerusalem that was a muslim city at the time.
They slaughtered every man, woman, and child in religious fervor that sent blood running in the streets. Wonder how you would feel if that were the case with your ancestors.
And, remember, it was the Middle East.
Imagine if someone would have done that to a city in the United States.
We would have started a war or two over it. :eek: