Vents: Random Acts of Venting!

[Sandy Eggo]

Sounds like sour grapes Henry or do you have a source to support "vast majority"? Oh and not to add insult to injury but 2.0 is less than 2.9.

Do you realize that some federal employees work directly in support of the soldier and are essential to their success? What about those folks?

[Henry Hawk]

times are tough....most of those folks are lucky to HAVE jobs.....what about the 10% who don't have ANY jobs....we GOT to quit spending money we do NOT have....call it sour grapes if you want....but, it is TAX dollars paying THEIR wages....by folks who are busting their asses off to get by.

[Sandy Eggo]

Uh so federal employees don't bust their asses or pay taxes?

[Henry Hawk]

Uh so federal employees don't bust their asses or pay taxes?

Well they get paid pretty damn good on the average, along with SEVERAL paid Holidays...I don't think an automatic raise is vital....to their well being during a time of finacial hardship on our country....

http://php.app.com/feds06/avgsal.php

State Average federal annual pay, 2005 Average private sector annual pay, 2005 Difference Alabama $60,528 $34,009 $26,519 Alaska $59,862 $38,817 $21,045 Arizona $56,510 $37,706 $18,804 Arkansas $54,166 $30,778 $23,388 California $59,672 $45,684 $13,988 Colorado $60,764 $41,593 $19,171 Connecticut $54,492 $53,678 $814 Delaware $49,794 $44,592 $5,202 District of Columbia $80,255 $61,598 $18,657 Florida $57,271 $36,096 $21,175 Georgia $58,954 $39,514 $19,440 Hawaii $56,721 $34,564 $22,157 Idaho $52,064 $30,440 $21,624 Illinois $58,810 $43,852 $14,958 Indiana $54,705 $35,463 $19,242 Iowa $48,633 $32,651 $15,982 Kansas $51,979 $34,265 $17,714 Kentucky $50,223 $33,736 $16,487 State Average federal annual pay, 2005 Average private sector annual pay, 2005 Difference Louisiana $55,339 $33,517 $21,822 Maine $58,271 $32,104 $26,167 Maryland $74,740 $42,779 $31,961 Massachusetts $60,864 $50,425 $10,439 Michigan $54,608 $41,125 $13,483 Minnesota $55,481 $40,965 $14,516 Mississippi $54,121 $29,201 $24,920 Missouri $52,572 $36,205 $16,367 Montana $52,692 $27,936 $24,756 Nebraska $50,712 $32,005 $18,707 Nevada $56,390 $37,881 $18,509 New Hampshire $58,937 $41,023 $17,914 New Jersey $60,955 $49,119 $11,836 New Mexico $56,668 $31,343 $25,325 New York $56,100 $52,979 $3,121 North Carolina $52,288 $35,764 $16,524 North Dakota $44,934 $29,577 $15,357 Ohio $59,357 $36,830 $22,527 State Average federal annual pay, 2005 Average private sector annual pay, 2005 Difference Oklahoma $54,721 $31,558 $23,163 Oregon $56,830 $36,230 $20,600 Pennsylvania $56,707 $39,264 $17,443 Rhode Island $64,282 $37,067 $27,215 South Carolina $52,857 $32,420 $20,437 South Dakota $48,357 $28,655 $19,702 Tennessee $57,371 $35,859 $21,512 Texas $57,270 $40,880 $16,390 Utah $52,587 $32,828 $19,759 Vermont $53,995 $33,648 $20,347 Virginia $68,258 $41,938 $26,320 Washington $57,168 $40,225 $16,943 West Virginia $56,909 $30,545 $26,364 Wisconsin $50,553 $35,115 $15,438 Wyoming $50,097 $32,620 $17,477 Source: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

[Palehorse]

Well they get paid pretty damn good on the average, along with SEVERAL paid Holidays...I don't think an automatic raise is vital....to their well being during a time of finacial hardship on our country....

http://php.app.com/feds06/avgsal.php

State Average federal annual pay, 2005 Average private sector annual pay, 2005 Difference Alabama $60,528 $34,009 $26,519 Alaska $59,862 $38,817 $21,045 Arizona $56,510 $37,706 $18,804 Arkansas $54,166 $30,778 $23,388 California $59,672 $45,684 $13,988 Colorado $60,764 $41,593 $19,171 Connecticut $54,492 $53,678 $814 Delaware $49,794 $44,592 $5,202 District of Columbia $80,255 $61,598 $18,657 Florida $57,271 $36,096 $21,175 Georgia $58,954 $39,514 $19,440 Hawaii $56,721 $34,564 $22,157 Idaho $52,064 $30,440 $21,624 Illinois $58,810 $43,852 $14,958 Indiana $54,705 $35,463 $19,242 Iowa $48,633 $32,651 $15,982 Kansas $51,979 $34,265 $17,714 Kentucky $50,223 $33,736 $16,487 State Average federal annual pay, 2005 Average private sector annual pay, 2005 Difference Louisiana $55,339 $33,517 $21,822 Maine $58,271 $32,104 $26,167 Maryland $74,740 $42,779 $31,961 Massachusetts $60,864 $50,425 $10,439 Michigan $54,608 $41,125 $13,483 Minnesota $55,481 $40,965 $14,516 Mississippi $54,121 $29,201 $24,920 Missouri $52,572 $36,205 $16,367 Montana $52,692 $27,936 $24,756 Nebraska $50,712 $32,005 $18,707 Nevada $56,390 $37,881 $18,509 New Hampshire $58,937 $41,023 $17,914 New Jersey $60,955 $49,119 $11,836 New Mexico $56,668 $31,343 $25,325 New York $56,100 $52,979 $3,121 North Carolina $52,288 $35,764 $16,524 North Dakota $44,934 $29,577 $15,357 Ohio $59,357 $36,830 $22,527 State Average federal annual pay, 2005 Average private sector annual pay, 2005 Difference Oklahoma $54,721 $31,558 $23,163 Oregon $56,830 $36,230 $20,600 Pennsylvania $56,707 $39,264 $17,443 Rhode Island $64,282 $37,067 $27,215 South Carolina $52,857 $32,420 $20,437 South Dakota $48,357 $28,655 $19,702 Tennessee $57,371 $35,859 $21,512 Texas $57,270 $40,880 $16,390 Utah $52,587 $32,828 $19,759 Vermont $53,995 $33,648 $20,347 Virginia $68,258 $41,938 $26,320 Washington $57,168 $40,225 $16,943 West Virginia $56,909 $30,545 $26,364 Wisconsin $50,553 $35,115 $15,438 Wyoming $50,097 $32,620 $17,477 Source: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Depends upon the band they are in, and unlike prior years, performance counts. Promotions and increases are not automatic anymore, and for every individual that obtains a 2% increase, there will be hundreds that get 1% and more that get nothing because they do not demonstrate the initiative and capability to consistently perform their duties, or do not possess the necessary drive and ambition for promotion to the next level. Raises are now "merit based" and no longer automatic.

All thanks to a much needed change to increase and promotion protocol mandated by the current POTUS.

And if you want to see the current pay bands, have a gander at this:

http://jobsearch.usajobs.gov/search.aspx?sort=rv&vw=d&brd=3876&ss=0&FedEmp=N&FedPub=Y

Note though, before you go on about a botanist being able to make up to 165k, getting to that level requires substantial educational and experience requirements, (student loans that MUST be repaid), and even then without a decade or two of government service under your belt you'll start on the lower end of that pay band. . .

[Henry Hawk]

Depends upon the band they are in, and unlike prior years, performance counts. Promotions and increases are not automatic anymore, and for every individual that obtains a 2% increase, there will be hundreds that get 1% and more that get nothing because they do not demonstrate the initiative and capability to consistently perform their duties, or do not possess the necessary drive and ambition for promotion to the next level. Raises are now "merit based" and no longer automatic.

All thanks to a much needed change to increase and promotion protocol mandated by the current POTUS.

any proof of this PH....I did see where the POTUS did cut it from 2.4% to 2%...and I give him props for that....but, in my opinion....cutting it to 0% would have shown MORE leadership....when our economy gets back in shape, THEN resume raises.....but, it is a slap in the face for many people out there who do NOT have jobs....imo.

[Palehorse]

any proof of this PH....I did see where the POTUS did cut it from 2.4% to 2%...and I give him props for that....but, in my opinion....cutting it to 0% would have shown MORE leadership....when our economy gets back in shape, THEN resume raises.....but, it is a slap in the face for many people out there who do NOT have jobs....imo.

Ask any federal employee. . . I have several relatives in federal employ as my source.

[Henry Hawk]

okay...

[Bo D]

Well they get paid pretty damn good on the average, along with SEVERAL paid Holidays...I don't think an automatic raise is vital....to their well being during a time of finacial hardship on our country....

http://php.app.com/feds06/avgsal.php

State Average federal annual pay, 2005 Average private sector annual pay, 2005 Difference Alabama $60,528 $34,009 $26,519 Alaska $59,862 $38,817 $21,045 Arizona $56,510 $37,706 $18,804 Arkansas $54,166 $30,778 $23,388 California $59,672 $45,684 $13,988 Colorado $60,764 $41,593 $19,171 Connecticut $54,492 $53,678 $814 Delaware $49,794 $44,592 $5,202 District of Columbia $80,255 $61,598 $18,657 Florida $57,271 $36,096 $21,175 Georgia $58,954 $39,514 $19,440 Hawaii $56,721 $34,564 $22,157 Idaho $52,064 $30,440 $21,624 Illinois $58,810 $43,852 $14,958 Indiana $54,705 $35,463 $19,242 Iowa $48,633 $32,651 $15,982 Kansas $51,979 $34,265 $17,714 Kentucky $50,223 $33,736 $16,487 State Average federal annual pay, 2005 Average private sector annual pay, 2005 Difference Louisiana $55,339 $33,517 $21,822 Maine $58,271 $32,104 $26,167 Maryland $74,740 $42,779 $31,961 Massachusetts $60,864 $50,425 $10,439 Michigan $54,608 $41,125 $13,483 Minnesota $55,481 $40,965 $14,516 Mississippi $54,121 $29,201 $24,920 Missouri $52,572 $36,205 $16,367 Montana $52,692 $27,936 $24,756 Nebraska $50,712 $32,005 $18,707 Nevada $56,390 $37,881 $18,509 New Hampshire $58,937 $41,023 $17,914 New Jersey $60,955 $49,119 $11,836 New Mexico $56,668 $31,343 $25,325 New York $56,100 $52,979 $3,121 North Carolina $52,288 $35,764 $16,524 North Dakota $44,934 $29,577 $15,357 Ohio $59,357 $36,830 $22,527 State Average federal annual pay, 2005 Average private sector annual pay, 2005 Difference Oklahoma $54,721 $31,558 $23,163 Oregon $56,830 $36,230 $20,600 Pennsylvania $56,707 $39,264 $17,443 Rhode Island $64,282 $37,067 $27,215 South Carolina $52,857 $32,420 $20,437 South Dakota $48,357 $28,655 $19,702 Tennessee $57,371 $35,859 $21,512 Texas $57,270 $40,880 $16,390 Utah $52,587 $32,828 $19,759 Vermont $53,995 $33,648 $20,347 Virginia $68,258 $41,938 $26,320 Washington $57,168 $40,225 $16,943 West Virginia $56,909 $30,545 $26,364 Wisconsin $50,553 $35,115 $15,438 Wyoming $50,097 $32,620 $17,477 Source: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Any statistic for employee pay based an averages is inherently flawed. Show us a chart that shows the differences in the median pay rates and I will pay attention.

For example, let's suppose I own a company with 10 employees. I pay each of my employees $10,000 per year. I draw a salary of $300,000 per year. The average salary in my company is more then $36,000. Misleading? The median pay is $10,000.

[Sandy Eggo]

[me]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqVFJNcQ4X0

[Palehorse]

I gotta start putting up the tree. . . 

[me]

Ours is up already. 

[Bo D]

For those who can actually read and comprehend, rather than watch YouTube videos, here are two more viewpoints on median vs. average (mean.)

http://blogs.payscale.com/ask_dr_salary/2006/09/if_median_is_be.html

http://blogs.payscale.com/ask_dr_salary/2006/10/mean_vs_median__2.html

[followsthewolf]

Aw, c'mon, Olias.

That's just some more fast talkin' from all them perfessers 'n' book larnin' peepuls.