2016 Democrat President Candidates

[Locutus]

Well, that's not what she said in her own words...two days ago.....here is the transcripts.....

Here is what she did say...."And we've got to crack down on the makers and sellers of guns.  They should be held accountable"

Geesh!  You're as bad as Fux News. 

The comment doesn't sound nearly as bad when you put it in context.   Here's the whole thing:

"And we've got to crack down on the makers and sellers of guns.  They should be held accountable for the use of their products and exercise more care as to how they end up in the hands of the people who use them."

[Locutus]

Disclaimer...you are forcing me into using these TROLL LIKE ICONS to make my point.

[Henry Hawk]

Geesh!  You're as bad as Fux News. 

The comment doesn't sound nearly as bad when you put it in context.   Here's the whole thing:

"And we've got to crack down on the makers and sellers of guns.  They should be held accountable for the use of their products and exercise more care as to how they end up in the hands of the people who use them."

But holding gun makers accountable for nutjobs killing people would be like holding Ford accountable for drunk drivers...........it is more useless regulations...that could potentially shut down American entrepreneurs...just more BS.

[Locutus]

But holding gun makers accountable for nutjobs killing people would be like holding Ford accountable for drunk drivers...........it is more useless regulations...that could potentially shut down American entrepreneurs...just more BS.

I think you're exaggerating what she's suggesting.  She's talking about gun manufacturers and sellers who aren't doing what they're supposed to be doing in ensuring that the guns they're selling don't end up in the hands of people who don't need to have them.  That's who she wants to hold accountable. 

For the record, unless there is some particularly egregious negligence, or other factors, involved in one of these mass shooting cases, I don't think that gun manufacturers should be held legally liable either. 

[Henry Hawk]

Hilary's voice is about as annoying as Palins voice is....

[Locutus]

Only to people like you who despise her. 

[Anne]

I think you're exaggerating what she's suggesting.  She's talking about gun manufacturers and sellers who aren't doing what they're supposed to be doing in ensuring that the guns they're selling don't end up in the hands of people who don't need to have them.  That's who she wants to hold accountable. 

For the record, unless there is some particularly egregious negligence, or other factors, involved in one of these mass shooting cases, I don't think that gun manufacturers should be held legally liable either. 

I'm obviously not a gun manufacturer but don't they sell their product to retailers who in turn sell the guns to customers? If that is correct exactly how are they supposed to monitor who buys the guns? That should be the vendor's responsibility. Maybe she needs to think about that. What do you gun owners think about more controls? Should it be illegal for someone to give their adult child or grandchild one of their firearms without a background check and informing the government about it? Should it be illegal to own a handgun. I hear that all the time, handguns only use is to kill someone so they should be illegal.

[Exterminator]

I'm obviously not a gun manufacturer but don't they sell their product to retailers who in turn sell the guns to customers? If that is correct exactly how are they supposed to monitor who buys the guns? That should be the vendor's responsibility.

What recourse is there then for manufacturers who knowingly sell to vendors who do not follow the rules?  I am certainly not anti-gun but the real question everyone should be asking on the subject is why should any business be shielded from liability by the government?  Do they not trust juries to arrive at the right conclusion or is this simply one more example of big money controlling the legislative process to its benefit?

[Anne]

What recourse is there then for manufacturers who knowingly sell to vendors who do not follow the rules?  I am certainly not anti-gun but the real question everyone should be asking on the subject is why should any business be shielded from liability by the government?  Do they not trust juries to arrive at the right conclusion or is this simply one more example of big money controlling the legislative process to its benefit?

I just don't see how any large manufacturer can know who sells to any particular person, unless, of course, the FBI or some other government agency alerts the manufacturer. With all the laws on the books, surely there is one that would be applicable in that situation. If I were a firearms manufacturer I think I would be very concerned about finding a fair jury. There is so much anti gun rhetoric that it would be almost impossible to seat an impartial jury. People will lie to get on a jury, probably not as often as some do to avoid jury duty, but it does happen.

[Exterminator]

I just don't see how any large manufacturer can know who sells to any particular person, unless, of course, the FBI or some other government agency alerts the manufacturer. With all the laws on the books, surely there is one that would be applicable in that situation.

Then they should have nothing to worry about in court, ergo, a law specifically shielding them from litigation is unnecessary.

If I were a firearms manufacturer I think I would be very concerned about finding a fair jury. There is so much anti gun rhetoric that it would be almost impossible to seat an impartial jury. People will lie to get on a jury, probably not as often as some do to avoid jury duty, but it does happen.

Hogwash.  There is every bit as much pro-gun rhetoric as there is anti if not more and we have an appeals process to deal with potential juror bias.  There is a lot of anti-smoking rhetoric as well; should tobacco companies have a law protecting them from litigation?

[Henry Hawk]

Only to people like you who despise her. 

And let me be clear about it.........I do, INDEED, despise her....

[Exterminator]

And let me be clear about it.........I do, INDEED, despise her....

I'm sure she despises people like you as well but hey, way to illustrate those Christian values you're always talking about!

[Henry Hawk]

I'm sure she despises people like you as well but hey, way to illustrate those Christian values you're always talking about!

Just for the record, where do I talk about Christian values on here?  Care to share?  You guys like to act like I think I am Billy Graham on here....I think I display more non-Christian values than Christian values on here....and I am good with that.

I'm sure she despises people like me, because we are not gullible enough to think she would be a decent POTUS.....so...yeah.     I 100% despise her.

She is a lifetime, phony, politician, who thinks she has earned her spot into the WH....she hasn't done diddly squat.

[Exterminator]

...she hasn't done diddly squat.

She's done a lot more than you (or I) ever will.

[Henry Hawk]

She's done a lot more than you (or I) ever will.

So has a whole lot of people, what is your point?