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Indiana's Religious Freedom Legislation

Started by Palehorse, March 16, 2015, 06:04:18 PM

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Henry Hawk

"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

The Troll

Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 01, 2015, 03:43:27 PM
THAT IS MY POINT! :haha:


  Let's face it Henry, your the joke here on the Zone.  :haha:  :haha:

Locutus

This will teach ya' to be a bigot and go public with it.  :rotfl:  They didn't have their own website before they flapped their trap about not serving gays, but now they do.  Someone was nice enough to set one up for them. 

http://memoriespizza.com

They feature a 48" Dick-Za packed with hearty meat.  (only $6.66)  ;D

One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Locutus

The back story to the above:

After the owner of an Indiana pizza parlor said he wouldn't deliver to a gay wedding, a deluge of harassment forced him to temporarily close, TMZ is reporting.

Indiana's new religious freedom law allows business to refuse service for religious reasons. Memories Pizza, owned by Crystal and Kevin O'Connor, was reportedly the first business to do so.

Apparently, the family's Christian beliefs would prevent them from catering a same-sex wedding.

"If a gay couple came in and wanted us to provide them pizzas for a wedding, we would have to say no," Crystal told an Indiana news station, as Talking Points Memo reported.

Immediately after making these comments, the pizza joint started receiving threatening phone calls and social media comments, Kevin told TMZ, which forced him to temporarily shut down.

Kevin says he doesn't mind if gay people eat at his restaurant — but he doesn't believe in gay marriage so he can't have people attending one eating his pies.

Last week, Indiana Gov. Mike Pence (R) ignited controversy around the country when he signed the Religious Freedom Retaliation Act, which intends to protect his state's religious residents from behaving against their beliefs, into law.



http://www.businessinsider.com/report-the-indiana-pizza-joint-that-vowed-to-never-deliver-a-pizza-to-a-gay-wedding-forced-to-close-2015-4
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Locutus

Well, it appears that the fundies flooded hosting provider of the above website with complaints about the Dick-Za. Between the time I posted the above, and the time of this post, the website has been revised to a simple blurb about discrimination.   But at least you got to see what it looked like before it was taken down.  :rotfl:
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Exterminator

Quote from: Locutus on April 01, 2015, 10:53:51 PM
Memories Pizza, owned by Crystal and Kevin O'Connor...

And...she's a fat redneck with jacked-up teeth...shocking!
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Locutus on April 01, 2015, 10:53:51 PM
The back story to the above:

After the owner of an Indiana pizza parlor said he wouldn't deliver to a gay wedding, a deluge of harassment forced him to temporarily close, TMZ is reporting.

Indiana's new religious freedom law allows business to refuse service for religious reasons. Memories Pizza, owned by Crystal and Kevin O'Connor, was reportedly the first business to do so.

Apparently, the family's Christian beliefs would prevent them from catering a same-sex wedding.

"If a gay couple came in and wanted us to provide them pizzas for a wedding, we would have to say no," Crystal told an Indiana news station, as Talking Points Memo reported.

Immediately after making these comments, the pizza joint started receiving threatening phone calls and social media comments, Kevin told TMZ, which forced him to temporarily shut down.

Kevin says he doesn't mind if gay people eat at his restaurant — but he doesn't believe in gay marriage so he can't have people attending one eating his pies.

Last week, Indiana Gov. Mike Pence (R) ignited controversy around the country when he signed the Religious Freedom Retaliation Act, which intends to protect his state's religious residents from behaving against their beliefs, into law.



http://www.businessinsider.com/report-the-indiana-pizza-joint-that-vowed-to-never-deliver-a-pizza-to-a-gay-wedding-forced-to-close-2015-4

Okay, here is the OTHER side of the story....



The Huffington Post headline screams:

Indiana's Memories Pizza Reportedly Becomes First
Business To Reject Catering Gay Weddings


Memories Pizza is a nine-year-old shop in downtown Walkerton, Indiana, just a few blocks from John Glenn High School. It's owned by an openly-Christian couple, the O'Connors, who decorate their shop with mementos of their faith in Christ. So how does a small business in a small town wind up making headlines around the world as the new avatar of Christian bigotry?

Perhaps, you say, they brought this upon themselves, seeking out publicity for their strict biblical views.

Eh...no.

Some cursory internet forensics shows how it happened...or rather, how it was made to happen.

ABC-57 reporter Alyssa Marino's editor sends her on a half-hour drive southwest of their South Bend studio, to the small town of Walkerton (Pop. ~2,300). According to Alyssa's own account on Twitter, she "just walked into their shop [Memories Pizza] and asked how they feel" about Indiana's new Religious Freedom Restoration Act.

Owner Crystal O'Connor says she's in favor of it, noting that while anyone can eat in her family restaurant, if the business were asked to cater a gay wedding, they would not do it. It conflicts with their biblical beliefs. Alyssa's tweet mentions that the O'Connors have "never been asked to cater a same-sex wedding."

What we have here is — as we called in journalism school jargon — "no story." Nothing happened. Nothing was about to happen.

If I were forced to mark out a story line, it would be this: A nice lady in a small town tries to be helpful and polite to a lovely young reporter from "the big city."

In other words, Memories Pizza didn't blast out a news release. They didn't contact the media, nor make a stink on Twitter or Facebook. They didn't even post a sign in the window rejecting gay-wedding catering jobs. They merely answered questions from a novice reporter who strolled into their restaurant one day – who was sent on a mission by an irresponsible news organization.

Next: ABC-57 anchor Brian Dorman leads the evening newscast dramatically with this:

>Only on ABC-57 News tonight. We went into small towns looking for reaction to the Religious Freedom Act. We found one business, just 20 miles away from a welcoming South Bend...with a very different view.



Notice that his city of South Bend is "welcoming," but that small-town business is not. It's very different. That's why ABC-57 "went into small towns," as if embarking on a safari to aboriginal lands.

Not only did ABC-57 News create that story ex nihilo (out of nothing), but the next day, the station's Rosie Woods reported on the social-media backlash against the Christian pizza shop owners.


"Our Facebook page has been blowing up with comments after we aired that story last night," said Woods.


At this point, even my old Leftist journalism professors would be grinding their teeth and rending their garments.


You see, not only did ABC-57 manufacture the story with an ambush interview, it then doubled-down by making the reaction to the story into another story to give the sense of momentum, as if it were growing at its own impetus. Yet, everything about it is a fabrication.


Memories Pizza didn't "publicly vow to reject gay weddings" as HuffPo says it. The O'Connors were just, quite literally, minding their own business.


Back in the ABC-57 studio, Rosie Woods read three negative social media comments attacking the pizza shop owners, and then said, "And that's just one side of this debate that's heating up as more people and business owners speak up about the law."


She then quotes one (1) person, the owner of another business, who agreed with the O'Connors. Seems that "just one side of this debate" deserves more attention than the other.

The unnamed ABC-57 editor then sends another reporter door-to-door on Walkerton's rather depressed-looking main drag, trying to get reactions from other business people about the pizza shop owners. And the story inexorably snowballs onward, with only man's yearning for truth to propel it.

All of the blog traffic and social media activity led to about 36,000 Facebook shares at ABC57.com on the original Alyssa Marino story less than 24 hours after it aired.
BuzzFeed posted its own inaccurate headline, with the kicker: "The Internet has unleashed its wrath."

All of those eyeballs benefit the TV station, which sells advertising on its website. It also helps several young, minor-market reporters who hustled and stumbled their way into the national spotlight. But don't blame them. Blame the editor.

Meanwhile, over at Yelp.com, more than a thousand "reviews" of Memories Pizza rapidly accumulated, quickly overwhelming the positive comments from actual customers who like the pizza, the hospitality and the small-town charm. Folks who never heard of Walkerton attacked Crystal O'Connor's business, her morality and her Lord. Many of the remarks included racially charged descriptions of genitalia and sex acts. "Reviewers" also posted pictures of naked men, of Adolf Hitler shouting "Ich habe ein pizza" (I have a pizza), and of Jesus gesturing with his middle finger. Over on Facebook, the restaurant's 5-star average rating rapidly plunged to one star, as non-customers slammed away at Crystal's little business.


n Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals, a manifesto of political power, Rule No. 12 says, in part:

>Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)
The Left doesn't care who gets hurt, so long as they get what they want. They're willing — no, they're eager — to sacrifice a small-town business, and it's owners.


Lest you think I'm being too dramatic. Late Wednesday, word comes that Jess Dooley, a female coach at Concord High School 45 minutes away in Elkhart, has been suspended after tweeting:

Who's going to Walkerton, IN to burn down #memoriespizza w me?

"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Exterminator on April 02, 2015, 10:13:19 AM
Right wing tripe.   :rolleyes:

Whatever, that is always your response.  It is a true story.  It's just one that doesn't feed into your liberal hyperbole avalanche.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Locutus

I wouldn't feel too sorry for the pizza place and its backward owners HH.  One of Glen Beck's Blaze TV hosts set up a Go Fund Me for the  Beck bots to donate to them.  And donate they did.  As of right now, it's up to $121,543.00.  The idiots are donating hundreds of dollars every few seconds.   

http://www.gofundme.com/memoriespizza
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Locutus

I guess that just goes to show that there's no such thing as bad publicity.  :rolleyes:
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Locutus on April 02, 2015, 11:26:19 AM
I wouldn't feel too sorry for the pizza place and its backward owners HH.  One of Glen Beck's Blaze TV hosts set up a Go Fund Me for the  Beck bots to donate to them.  And donate they did.  As of right now, it's up to $121,543.00.  The idiots are donating hundreds of dollars every few seconds.   

http://www.gofundme.com/memoriespizza

This whole thing is getting out of control....I still say our media is the main culprit.  Look at what they did in Ferguson!  "Hands up..Don't Shoot".  The media had a blitz there and stirred the shit.

Come to find out, the cop is not guilty of EVERYTHING the media claimed.  Now, folks in Ferguson have a town half burnt and destroyed.

Everybody on Twitter and Facebook, has an opinion, and it is heard around the world now.

People on Yelp, attack this Pizza Place because of the Media.  Is this right?
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Locutus

$134,869.00

Crystal O'Conner is now directing people to that Go Fund Me page herself.  :rolleyes:  She has some $$ signs in her eyes.  She's made more money in less than 24 hours than that pizza joint probably makes in 3 or 4 years thanks to the Beck bots. 
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Locutus on April 02, 2015, 12:14:14 PM
$134,869.00

Crystal O'Conner is now directing people to that Go Fund Me page herself.  :rolleyes:  She has some $$ signs in her eyes.  She's made more money in less than 24 hours than that pizza joint probably makes in 3 or 4 years thanks to the Beck bots. 

Why does this bother you?  Does it effect you any? This is donations by people who want to show their support.  I can care less.  I am glad they are not going to suffer because of some stupid assed media reporter started all of this, in the first place....

btw...it is now up to....$138,804
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Locutus

It doesn't affect me, nor does it bother me.  I just like to point out stupidity when I see it. 

1. It was stupid for her to flap her trap to that reporter to begin with, especially after seeing the backlash against the law that was going on across the state.

2. It's stupid for people all across the country to trash their Yelp and Facebook pages.

3. It's stupid for the Beck bots to deliver this backward thinking family a lottery for their bigotry and stupidity. 

Give me a few more minutes and I can probably think of something else stupid about the whole thing.  ;D   It's a tempest in a teapot as far as I'm concerned. 

$139,824.00
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson