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Locutus

Quote from: Palehorse on March 11, 2015, 07:14:20 PM
And what song would that be?  :angel:

He was saying "We'll see," right up and until the light shined on him.  ;D

Pretty soon the Rasmussen polls will be trotted out.  :yes:
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Henry Hawk

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Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


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Bo D

Quote from: Palehorse on March 11, 2015, 06:48:45 PM
I'd ask for a refund on that memory device.

Her memory device has always been a bit buggy.
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Exterminator

Quote from: Locutus on March 11, 2015, 07:06:53 PM
Getting ready to sing that same song as last time?   ;D

And eat the same meal!   :biggrin:

Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Locutus

One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Henry Hawk

"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

libby

The following is from an article by E. J. Dionne in today's Washington Post. Libby

Open letters are the next new thing, so let's imagine Hillary Clinton sending a simple note to all voters:

Dear fellow American,

I want to offer you what has always been the Clinton deal. You get peace and prosperity. I put up with endless scrutiny, countless attacks and bottomless mistrust. It's a good deal for you, and I can handle the rest.

  :sneaky:  If you' like to read the rest of what Dionne wrote, here it is: 


"The controversy over Clinton's  e-mails as secretary of state is an early skirmish in what will be one of the defining battles of her quest for the White House. Her success will depend in significant part on which aspects the 1990s voters choose to remember.

Clinton's foes want Americans to recall the investigations, the political circus and fascinating philosophical discussions over what the meaning of "is" is. Her supporters want every voter who casts a ballot to think about a period when the going was good, when every income group saw its standard of living rise and when the world beyond our borders looked much safer and more stable.

Clinton: It 'would have been better' to use State e-mails(1:07)

Former secretary of state Hillary Clinton acknowledged Tuesday that she had erred in using only a private e-mail server for work correspondence at the State Department. (AP)

Round One, the e-mails saga, goes to Clinton's opponents. Key Democrats outside her circle, realizing how badly this was playing for her, went public to push her hard to come forward, try to end the round and move on. Many Democrats were thus happy to accept her explanation Tuesday that she used a private server out of "convenience." They were willing to trust that the e-mails she deleted really were about weddings, funerals and yoga.

They know their party has no real alternative to Clinton. They also share her dim view of a Republican Party willing to pick up any rock to throw the Clintons' way and remember a GOP that had been happy to push the country to an impeachment drama most voters plainly didn't want.

It was thus shrewd of her to lead Tuesday's news conference by assailing the 47 Republican senators who wrote an open letter to Iran's leadership by way of undermining President Obama's nuclear negotiations. Pointing to this outlandish move reminded Democrats (and the country as a whole) that she is still dealing with an opposition that scorns the traditional rules and norms of statesmanship and politics. She also gently nudged Obama to remember which side he needs to be on.

Rallying Democrats will likely get Clinton through this storm, even if her responses will not satisfy those who will always wonder which e-mails she deleted and whether her use of a private server was not only about convenience but also a way of shielding her electronic correspondence from Freedom of Information Act and congressional requests.

But those who say the episode is about Clinton's alleged sense of entitlement have it wrong. This actually speaks to her hard-earned paranoia about what her opponents — and the media, which in her view so often play ball with them — are willing to do to destroy her. Her mistrust may be understandable in light of the past, but it is profoundly counterproductive.

It would be naive to suggest that being more open with the media always works in favor of the transparent politician. Clinton can highlight the fact that her much-praised answer-every-question news conference on Whitewater in 1994 failed to shut down the story. She also turned out to be right that no good would come the Clintons' way from naming a special prosecutor to investigate the matter.

On the other hand, she was wrong to resist the earlier advice of then-adviser David Gergen that she and Bill Clinton dump all of the Whitewater documents and let the journalists judge. Gergen has argued that, had this happened, "there would have been no Ken Starr, no special prosecutor, no Monica, and history would have been very different."

Although alternative histories can never be confirmed, Clinton needs to ponder this lesson. To survive the next 20 months until Election Day, she will have to find her way toward a less viscerally antagonistic view of media scrutiny that distinguishes between partisan muggings and the sorts of questions all presidential candidates inevitably confront.

It may be true that recent days showed she has enemies and harsh critics not only among Republicans but also in mainstream media circles. But focusing solely on them will only encourage her to delay responding to legitimate inquiries and to write off advisers who counsel her toward a less-hostile approach to scrutiny.

Paradoxically, the e-mail saga could be highly useful to Clinton's campaign and her potential presidency — if she draws the right conclusions."
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E.J. Dionne writes about politics in a twice-weekly column and on the PostPartisan blog. He is also a senior fellow in Governance Studies at the Brookings Institution, a government professor at Georgetown University and a frequent commentator on politics for National Public Radio, ABC's "This Week" and NBC's "Meet the Press." View Archive
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Y

Quote from: Bo D on March 11, 2015, 12:09:23 PM
...I have at least four separate email accounts that I check from just one phone...

All from the same provider?
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In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

Y

Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 11, 2015, 02:01:54 PM
The fact is, she is so full of shit, she thinks she can lie like her hubby and get away with it...

ie, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman"....

Gawd!  I can't believe you still think that response was a 'lie'.  Ole' Bill answered specifically like the attorney he was.  The term 'sexual relations' was defined as, and referred specifically to, coitus - coital relations, the penis inserted into the vagina.

Just because so many of you dips don't know the language and don't bother to learn or research it doesn't mean a statement was a 'lie'.
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

Y

I, personally, would simply have liked to see HRC give the Repugs and the media a big FU and KMA over this BS made up non-controversy.
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

me

Quote from: Y on March 23, 2015, 05:28:15 PM
Gawd!  I can't believe you still think that response was a 'lie'.  Ole' Bill answered specifically like the attorney he was.  The term 'sexual relations' was defined as, and referred specifically to, coitus - coital relations, the penis inserted into the vagina.

Just because so many of you dips don't know the language and don't bother to learn or research it doesn't mean a statement was a 'lie'.
Guess he should have improved his aim huh? What is boils down to is wrong is wrong and getting by because they didn't ask the question a different way is just another crafty move on his part.
Trump 2020

Palehorse

Quote from: me on March 24, 2015, 05:06:57 PM
Guess he should have improved his aim huh? What is boils down to is wrong is wrong and getting by because they didn't ask the question a different way is just another crafty move on his part.

Careful. . . your biblicism is showing!
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Y

He was a lawyer, for goodness sake!  What did anyone expect of him?  He spent years in training to look at, and respond, to things in that manner.

I think people and the media were just mad because he knew how to respond in a specific manner.

Seriously though, it wasn't anyone's business but his, Hillary's, and Monica's.  He wasn't being blackmailed or giving up state secrets.  The RW simply hated him and it was something over which to make a media circus.
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

me

Quote from: Y on March 24, 2015, 05:32:14 PM
He was a lawyer, for goodness sake!  What did anyone expect of him?  He spent years in training to look at, and respond, to things in that manner.

I think people and the media were just mad because he knew how to respond in a specific manner.

Seriously though, it wasn't anyone's business but his, Hillary's, and Monica's.  He wasn't being blackmailed or giving up state secrets.  The RW simply hated him and it was something over which to make a media circus.
Had he been a conservative the same thing would have happened in reverse and you know it.
Trump 2020

Y

Oh really?  Examples, please.
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa