Ferguson, MO

[Henry Hawk]

troll did you watch this video?  http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/18/us/missouri-teen-shooting/index.html

has anyone on here?

[The Troll]

troll did you watch this video?  http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/18/us/missouri-teen-shooting/index.html

has anyone on here?

  Sure I did and have watch hours and hours of coverage of Ferguson protests.  On all channels, but Fox News has the same thoughts about it as you, I wonder why.   

[Henry Hawk]

  Sure I did and have watch hours and hours of coverage of Ferguson protests.  On all channels, but Fox News has the same thoughts about it as you, I wonder why.   

I am waiting on the evidence.  It seems it is all starting to slowly come together.........NOT the knee jerk reaction that the MSNBC crowd had.

[Locutus]

No, he wasn't.

Agreed.

[Palehorse]

No, he wasn't.

Now that the officer's account has been released publicly, (after my initial statement), I agree that he allegedly was not as the only accounts available prior to the release stated, giving up; but now is alleged to have been charging the officer who fired the shots. . .

What he was doing is now in question, so. . .

[Purplelady1040]

No, he wasn't.

No, he wasn't trying to surrender but was trying to charge at the police officer and would have probably tried to get the officer's weapon and shoot him.
Let's look at it like this- the mind set was already set with this guy and he wasn't going to surrender like some think. An officer never knows what they are going against, in 1978- a Florida police officer pulled over a person for a traffic violation, after checking wants and warrants, it turned out to the serial killer Ted Bundy who tried to take the officer's weapon and harm him. He failed on that and was arrested.
An Oklahoma trooper stopped a guy for traffic violation- guess who Timothy McVeigh and right after the bombing. Again, he tried to take the trooper's weapon and failed.
The point that I am trying to make is that most nights, cops are just out there doing a job no  one wants, may or may not come home from them and then you have the rare instances where some dumbass thinks they can take a cop out. Say what you want but when you are in a wreck, or had something happened, they are the ones you call.

[me]

People are being bused in to riot and loot from what I heard on the news and the people who live there are helping the business owners clean up and fix up during the day.  Yes, there are some locals protesting, but they are mostly the peaceful protestors. 

[Palehorse]

No, he wasn't trying to surrender but was trying to charge at the police officer and would have probably tried to get the officer's weapon and shoot him.
Let's look at it like this- the mind set was already set with this guy and he wasn't going to surrender like some think. An officer never knows what they are going against, in 1978- a Florida police officer pulled over a person for a traffic violation, after checking wants and warrants, it turned out to the serial killer Ted Bundy who tried to take the officer's weapon and harm him. He failed on that and was arrested.
An Oklahoma trooper stopped a guy for traffic violation- guess who Timothy McVeigh and right after the bombing. Again, he tried to take the trooper's weapon and failed.
The point that I am trying to make is that most nights, cops are just out there doing a job no  one wants, may or may not come home from them and then you have the rare instances where some dumbass thinks they can take a cop out. Say what you want but when you are in a wreck, or had something happened, they are the ones you call.

Clearly the point(s) in this discussion are missing the majority, but whatever. I'm perfectly happy to sit here and watch this situation spread across the country, and will giggle like a child when I read the horror stories being posted by those of you forced to confront what some here are trying to warn everyone of.

I am armed, and I am trained to use my firearms. No, I don't carry them to Walmart and force your children to stare in horror at a firearm hanging on my side. I don't need to. Yet.

But when the day comes, I will go about my business in an expedited manner and be prepared to kick to the curb those that would deny my liberty and pursuit of happiness, and faithfully defend my property with extreme prejudice; as I watch the daily review of the rise of civil discourse and anarchy.

[Purplelady1040]

Clearly the point(s) in this discussion are missing the majority, but whatever. I'm perfectly happy to sit here and watch this situation spread across the country, and will giggle like a child when I read the horror stories being posted by those of you forced to confront what some here are trying to warn everyone of.

I am armed, and I am trained to use my firearms. No, I don't carry them to Walmart and force your children to stare in horror at a firearm hanging on my side. I don't need to. Yet.

But when the day comes, I will go about my business in an expedited manner and be prepared to kick to the curb those that would deny my liberty and pursuit of happiness, and faithfully defend my property with extreme prejudice; as I watch the daily review of the rise of civil discourse and anarchy.

I have no problems with anyone carrying a weapon as I am licensed to carry. Do I take it into a store no but if I have too, I will.

[Henry Hawk]

Clearly the point(s) in this discussion are missing the majority, but whatever. I'm perfectly happy to sit here and watch this situation spread across the country, and will giggle like a child when I read the horror stories being posted by those of you forced to confront what some here are trying to warn everyone of.

I am armed, and I am trained to use my firearms. No, I don't carry them to Walmart and force your children to stare in horror at a firearm hanging on my side. I don't need to. Yet.

But when the day comes, I will go about my business in an expedited manner and be prepared to kick to the curb those that would deny my liberty and pursuit of happiness, and faithfully defend my property with extreme prejudice; as I watch the daily review of the rise of civil discourse and anarchy.

I have always understood your point PH.  I realize we are allowing our freedoms to be eradicated slowly.  The point I think on this particular case is much more (or less) than an eager police action over a bad situation, but the simple fact that we didn't have all of the evidence before people jumped to their own judgement and began rioting in the streets and looting. 

All the reason as to why we need real leadership to step up during such times.  Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are only aggravating this situation.  We need to assure all citizens that justice will prevail.  Not by a bully pulpit or intimidation, but by the rule of law.

I too have guns and know how to use them.  I am will protect my family to the full force if that ever comes to play.

[Exterminator]

You mean you were there and know that for a fact or are you using that creative thinking again?

No, I wasn't but I do train dogs with several K9 officers and that fraternity is fairly small so they tend to know and talk to their counterparts from different departments and jurisdictions.  Most of the information that is just now being made public I already knew last Saturday.

Either way, I'd expect that being the racist you are, would be dancing in the streets at the thought of any black person being gunned down?

[Exterminator]

 

I realize we are allowing our freedoms to be eradicated slowly.

Which ones, specifically?

[Henry Hawk]

Which ones, specifically?

I just think we have to be careful with such actions or powers given to local, state and federal authorities like this coupled in with 'No Knock Warrants', National Security Letters and expanding our government in such a way is pissing away our freedoms, right in front of us.  Where high ranking officials and the media are becoming the judge, jury and executioner....is very dangerous.

[me]

No, I wasn't but I do train dogs with several K9 officers and that fraternity is fairly small so they tend to know and talk to their counterparts from different departments and jurisdictions.  Most of the information that is just now being made public I already knew last Saturday.

Either way, I'd expect that being the racist you are, would be dancing in the streets at the thought of any black person being gunned down?

I'm so glad you THINK you know so much about me Ex. 

[The Troll]

I have always understood your point PH.  I realize we are allowing our freedoms to be eradicated slowly.  The point I think on this particular case is much more (or less) than an eager police action over a bad situation, but the simple fact that we didn't have all of the evidence before people jumped to their own judgement and began rioting in the streets and looting. 

All the reason as to why we need real leadership to step up during such times.  Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are only aggravating this situation.  We need to assure all citizens that justice will prevail.  Not by a bully pulpit or intimidation, but by the rule of law.

I too have guns and know how to use them.  I am will protect my family to the full force if that ever comes to play.

  For not being racist Hawk you sure know who to blame in this case.   What kind of guns do you have Bunky, a BB gun and an Air Rifle pellet gun.