King Richard III - FOUND

[Palehorse]

It's been in the news a lot over the past few days, but they have found the king's remains in a parking lot (beneath it of course) and done a facial reconstruction on him.

A lot of discussion going on surrounding the historic record of the "criminal king". Killed in the battle of Bosworth after about 2 years of holding the throne it is said he usurped via the murder of his 2 nephews; who were found to be illegitimate children. . .

http://www.reuters.com/news/pictures/slideshow?articleId=USRTR3DCJH#a=1

[Locutus]

This was particularly interesting from my readings on this subject over the last couple of days.

King pointed out that "in a generation's time, the DNA match would not have been possible, since both individuals used in the tests are the last of their line," a fact echoed by Ibsen, who told CNN before the results came through that "they caught us just in time."

[RC]

It's been in the news a lot over the past few days, but they have found the king's remains in a parking lot (beneath it of course) and done a facial reconstruction on him.

A lot of discussion going on surrounding the historic record of the "criminal king". Killed in the battle of Bosworth after about 2 years of holding the throne it is said he usurped via the murder of his 2 nephews; who were found to be illegitimate children. . .

http://www.reuters.com/news/pictures/slideshow?articleId=USRTR3DCJH#a=1

I would try to post something to distract from what your present king is doing to us.  Post away and try to cover up the results of your leaders war on America.

[Exterminator]

I would try to post something to distract from what your present king is doing to us.  Post away and try to cover up the results of your leaders war on America.

STFU.

[followsthewolf]

I would try to post something to distract from what your present king is doing to us.  Post away and try to cover up the results of your leaders war on America.

You see?

You don't even want to have a conversation about any interesting historical discovery.

You just want to attack.

That's why people think you are an asshole.

Because you are.

[RC]

You see?

You don't even want to have a conversation about any interesting historical discovery.

You just want to attack.

That's why people think you are an asshole.

Because you are.

Which is more important, the dead king or what your king is doing to us in the present time?

[followsthewolf]

Not the point, dumbass.

Wrong thread.

You want to piss and moan, do it in the right thread.

Don't spread your infection of stupid all over the Zone.

[Locutus]

King Richard III may have died in the Battle of Bosworth Field, but that wasn't his last battle.  Looks like his final engagement will be in the "Battle of the Bones" which is now in the planning stages. 

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The discovery of King Richard III under a parking lot in the English city of Leicester thrilled history buffs around the world. But the news meant a winter of discontent for the rival city of York, and now the two are doing battle over the royal bones.

Officials in Leicester say the monarch, who was unceremoniously buried without a coffin 528 years ago, will be re-interred with kingly dignity in the city's cathedral.

"The decision has already been made," said Leicester mayor Peter Soulsby. "All the permissions have been granted and the various authorities involved have agreed that the interment will take place in Leicester."

Not so fast, says York, a city 100 miles (160 kilometers) to the north that claims the late monarch as its own.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/uk-cities-tug-war-bones-richard-iii-18418255

[Palehorse]

King Richard III may have died in the Battle of Bosworth Field, but that wasn't his last battle.  Looks like his final engagement will be in the "Battle of the Bones" which is now in the planning stages. 

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The discovery of King Richard III under a parking lot in the English city of Leicester thrilled history buffs around the world. But the news meant a winter of discontent for the rival city of York, and now the two are doing battle over the royal bones.

Officials in Leicester say the monarch, who was unceremoniously buried without a coffin 528 years ago, will be re-interred with kingly dignity in the city's cathedral.

"The decision has already been made," said Leicester mayor Peter Soulsby. "All the permissions have been granted and the various authorities involved have agreed that the interment will take place in Leicester."

Not so fast, says York, a city 100 miles (160 kilometers) to the north that claims the late monarch as its own.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/uk-cities-tug-war-bones-richard-iii-18418255

Indeed. I read the same article this evening and found it interesting that the city that unceremoniously buried him in defeat, naked and in humiliation, 528 years later wants to be his "official resting place" after his remains are discovered.

In reality, as a "king of the north" and having been born in York, it would seem that York would have been his choice as a final resting place had he been given a voice in the matter. But who is to say? The "petition" war is being won by York at last count, and since the reigning Queen is a distant relative, though not a descendant of Richard's, she may have to weigh in on the matter whether Buckingham Palace desires it or not.

In researching Richard III it is a wonder that 528 years later anyone would want to claim him, if history is to be believed. That history though was for the most part written by his Tudor successor, and it would appear furthered by the literary license imparted by none other than Shakespeare himself. (Perhaps yet another instance of propagandism being undertaken in early history).

And given King Richard's apparent liberal (for the times) approach toward his governance of his kingdom, I find more than a bit of irony when comparing 1480-1485 to 2013, and the division within the kingdom that was driven by the 30 year war of the roses.  One would think there is a lesson that should have been learned from the last war-time death of a sitting king; and not just for England but the world. But alas, as humanity has proven beyond a shadow of doubt, and Americans in particular, we lend no credence to the lessons of history and instead prefer to repeat them.

Henry VII (Tudor) tried his best to eradicate all traces of his predecessor, going so far as to forbid many religions and ordering the dismantling and complete destruction of Grey Friars Church; the very site of King Richard III's unceremonious burial within a roughly hewn out grave site that was too small for his battered earthly remains. And for  528 years it appeared he had succeeded. But for the efforts of a small faction established in 1924, many centuries after the battle of Bosworth, there it would have lain for eternity.

I find the technology that has allowed this discovery to be brought to the light of day just breath taking. And the fact that perhaps a wrong imparted upon a leader centuries ago may soon enjoy a measure of correction is simply karmic in nature.

Did Richard III usurp to the throne by killing his 2 nephews and exercising some influence upon the Pope to invalidate the marriage of his brother to the mother of those same nephews? Perhaps the Vatican could shed some light upon this question if it were so inclined; however I highly doubt anything of the sort will ever come to pass.

So we are left with the end result of the War of the Roses, culminating in the death of a sitting King, and the tales and propaganda that followed the event. And yet the body itself has its tale to tell, and 528 years later it is doing just that.  I dare say this little piece of history will have a chapter or two to contribute in the coming years itself, and perhaps the final chapter of the Plantagenet Royals is yet to be written. . .

[Palehorse]

I would try to post something to distract from what your present king is doing to us.  Post away and try to cover up the results of your leaders war on America.

Listen you illiterate buffoon. Post whatever you want but you'll not incite me to take my own topic off track. You want to cross swords, then do so in the topics that are germane to your mindless yelping.

My interests are broad and history is one of them. I care little for wasting time on barren minds with little to contribute other than deceit, lies, and propaganda seated in hate. Especially when they demonstrate zero desire for intelligent dialog.

So piss off.

[Palehorse]

Here's a picture of the facial reconstruction accomplished from the skull found with the remains:



Absolutely amazing. . .

[Palehorse]

And a quick thank you to those who contributed to this topic and came to its defense when confronted by the resident troll.

I appreciate it very much. 

[Palehorse]

This was particularly interesting from my readings on this subject over the last couple of days.

King pointed out that "in a generation's time, the DNA match would not have been possible, since both individuals used in the tests are the last of their line," a fact echoed by Ibsen, who told CNN before the results came through that "they caught us just in time."

I found that quite interesting as well when I first read it. Again, karmic in nature isn't it?!

I also found it interesting that one of the two remaining living ancestors chose to remain anonymous. What is that saying? That after 528 years the specter of the scandalous nature of his death and the resulting adjudication via history remains unbearable to that relative?

One wonders whether or not they will continue down that path if the tale the remains tells in the end serves to exonerate Richard III's reputation and sully that of the Tudor King Henry VII. . .

I also read a synopsis of the accounts of King Richard's last moments within the Battle of Bosworth, wherein two or three of the "Nobles" aligned with King Richard had covertly turned on him mid conflict; having sided in secret with Henry VII due to the fact he was married to their sister/cousin or some such relation. Moreover it was these same men who surrounded a de-horsed Richard at the last and dealt the fatal blows to him. The same account lists among Richard's last words, (much to Shakespeare's chagrin I am sure), as being an accusation of treason; which if this account were true would be quite fitting of the scene.

I wish I could remember where I read that. If I find it I will link to it here, although I seem to recall some doubts surrounding the credibility of the site where I read it. (It may have been Wiki). 

[RC]

Listen you illiterate buffoon. Post whatever you want but you'll not incite me to take my own topic off track. You want to cross swords, then do so in the topics that are germane to your mindless yelping.

My interests are broad and history is one of them. I care little for wasting time on barren minds with little to contribute other than deceit, lies, and propaganda seated in hate. Especially when they demonstrate zero desire for intelligent dialog.

So piss off.

Facts do not change.  Your present king is leading us over the cliff.

[Exterminator]

Facts do not change.

Nope, you're still a douchebag.