The HCRA

[me]

. . .Not much will be different as the law is put into place for those who get insurance through their employers, and that's the bulk of Americans. The Society of Actuaries/Lewin Group report estimates that those with employer-based insurance will decline by 2 million because of the law, for a total of 155 million people. That's similar to estimates made by the Congressional Budget Office.

However, new minimum benefit standards will mean more generous insurance plans for many of those who buy health coverage on their own on the individual market, which has been able to offer cheap, bare-bones plans. Plus, tens of millions of people will join this market through state-based exchanges — 21 million, according to the Lewin analysis. . . .

http://factcheck.org/2013/04/insurance-premium-spin/

So once again, we see repugnicans using the "sky is falling" ploy, trying to scare the panties off "Mericans" , the majority of which will see a minimal increase, if any at all, in premiums. 

Hum, seems as though even factcheck backed off on this one. 

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[The Troll]

  Given a year or two ObamaCare will disappear like a fart in a Republican's brain.  Being replaced by The Affordable Healthcare Act with all of the poor Republican Sheep lined up to buy the insurance the law provides.   


                                                                   

[Y]

To use you the usual retort of you and your ilk; "What's wrong with that. It's a business and they have to right to run the business as they see fit."

Yup!  This fiasco is the result of insurance companies. 

They've found a way to increase their profits, lower their risk, AND pass the blame off on the 'nigra in the White House' - a trifecta for them and their corporatist political allies.

But you can't tell deadhead masses anything that doesn't come from their RW noize machine.

[Y]

The ACA is a scam.  Period.  It is a failure, and it is not going to HELP those who need help.  Period.

If it's in ANY sense a 'scam', it's that we haven't the sense to institute nationalized healthcare - the same for energy etc..

Some things are too important to society to be left in the hands of the capitalists.

[Y]

Are YOU insinuating that some of the people I know that have a brain are all white?  If so, you would be wrong, because three people I work with are African American, and they totally are against Obama and the democrats.  One of them is an extreme Tea Party advocate.

I really find this proclamation by you very suspect.

It's suspicious that only now, after all this time and all the discussions of race - in particular pointed ones with me where I've specifically asked you about your relationships and knowledge of blacks, do you suddenly come up with not only one but THREE black employees ALL of whom are against "Obama and the democrats" with ONE being a TPer.

I doubt the veracity of it.

If there's ANY truth to it, I posit it only proves what I've stated all along - you don't know ANYTHING about blacks...or people in general.  Blacks in that situation - and assuming ANY truth to it - surrounded by RW TP idjits like you would chameleon in order to keep themselves and their employment secure.  It would be the same if the racial/political makeup were the complete opposite.  You'd be doing the same.

[Exterminator]

Hum, seems as though even factcheck backed off on this one.

Once again, you have demonstrated your absolute lack of ability to research anything.  When I reached the dead link, I simply typed the name of the article into the search box on the site and voila!  Took less than 5 seconds to prove that, no, the facts haven't changed: http://www.factcheck.org/2013/04/health-insurance-premium-spin/

[me]

Once again, you have demonstrated your absolute lack of ability to research anything.  When I reached the dead link, I simply typed the name of the article into the search box on the site and voila!  Took less than 5 seconds to prove that, no, the facts haven't changed: http://www.factcheck.org/2013/04/health-insurance-premium-spin/

But that article was written in April "before" the HCRA started taking effect and now it seems as though some of the things are wrong.  Of course it's everyone's fault but his, but then again since, as I have stated before, he didn't actually write it and probably has no clue what's really in it except for what he's been told, I guess technically it wouldn't be his fault 'cause he's just a mouthpiece for getting it done.  I still fail to understand how you can take as fact something that is projected to work a certain way since it is actually still an unknown and unproven theory.  As a lot of engineers have found out, things can always be made to look like they'll work on paper but when you go to apply them in the real world often fail. 

[Exterminator]

I still fail to understand how you can take as fact something that is projected to work a certain way since it is actually still an unknown and unproven theory.  As a lot of engineers have found out, things can always be made to look like they'll work on paper but when you go to apply them in the real world often fail.

Using your logic, we would all still be living in caves.  Nothing of any signifigance was ever accomplished by anyone paralyzed by fear of failure.

[me]

Using your logic, we would all still be living in caves.  Nothing of any signifigance significance (fixed it for you) was ever accomplished by anyone paralyzed by fear of failure.

And people have been harmed by jumping headlong into things without fully understanding them or the consequences.  Not only that but if you can't even spell simple words why should I, or anyone else, listen to you?

[Exterminator]

And people have been harmed by jumping headlong into things without fully understanding them or the consequences.  Not only that but if you can't even spell simple words why should I, or anyone else, listen to you?

Why would I care if you listen to me?

[me]

I just hope you're towards the end of the line of sheeple when you drop off that cliff so your landing won't be quite as hard. 

[The Troll]

And people have been harmed by jumping headlong into things without fully understanding them or the consequences.  Not only that but if you can't even spell simple words why should I, or anyone else, listen to you?

  I know that George W. talked to god before going to war which killed over 4500 of our soldiers.  WHY DID HE JUMP HEADLONG INTO A WAR WITHOUT FULLY UNDERSTANDING THE CONSEQUENCES, HUNYBUNS.   

[me]

  I know that George W. talked to god before going to war which killed over 4500 of our soldiers.  WHY DID HE JUMP HEADLONG INTO A WAR WITHOUT FULLY UNDERSTANDING THE CONSEQUENCES, HUNYBUNS.   

George Bush is no longer president in case you hadn't noticed.  We are discussing the HCRA here quit deflecting with Bush.....that has nothing to do with this. 

[me]

[Exterminator]

Lie!