Stop cramming your religion down our throats.

[Palehorse]

So in other words I don't have an right to an opinion because I happen to see things differently.  Isn't that rather closed minded?

Stop putting words or intentions into my statements. I never said such a thing. What I DID say, and imply, is that if you expect anyone to take your opinions and perspectives seriously, then you have the responsibility to provide credibility to them.

Your first mistake is believing that just because you hold an opinion it should be shared by others. And if your opinion is shared by others then you have the responsibility of providing sources.

Without it, it is nothing more than one person's opinion, which pales in comparison to an opinion based upon accredited information. 

[The Troll]

So in other words I don't have an right to an opinion because I happen to see things differently.  Isn't that rather closed minded?

  That's your problem, you think to much and it is sure out of this world.     One example, for someone who was born poor, wants to give the super rich a tax cut and kill the safety nets of the poor, old and sick.

  This plus many other offbeat things makes you a wacko. 

[me]

Stop putting words or intentions into my statements. I never said such a thing. What I DID say, and imply, is that if you expect anyone to take your opinions and perspectives seriously, then you have the responsibility to provide credibility to them.

Your first mistake is believing that just because you hold an opinion it should be shared by others. And if your opinion is shared by others then you have the responsibility of providing sources.

Without it, it is nothing more than one person's opinion, which pales in comparison to an opinion based upon accredited information.

For starters the word God can't be mentioned by students or faculty at graduation ceremony's any longer, when you go shopping most times you will hear "Happy Holiday's" rather than Merry Christmas, a school was told they couldn't take a class to see Charlie Brown Christmas because it was being shown in a church building and one person complained because of the building it was being shown in.  What I posted may be a little extreme but I am seeing more and more things that are making it mostly true. 

Oh, and on a side note my daughter worked at Sears through Christmas a few years back and they were told they could be fired if they said Merry Christmas and were to say happy holidays instead.  Don't know if that has changed 'cause I don't shop at Sears but a lot of other stores are, or were,  the same. 

[Palehorse]

For starters the word God can't be mentioned by students or faculty at graduation ceremony's any longer, when you go shopping most times you will hear "Happy Holiday's" rather than Merry Christmas, a school was told they couldn't take a class to see Charlie Brown Christmas because it was being shown in a church building and one person complained because of the building it was being shown in.  What I posted may be a little extreme but I am seeing more and more things that are making it mostly true. 

Oh, and on a side note my daughter worked at Sears through Christmas a few years back and they were told they could be fired if they said Merry Christmas and were to say happy holidays instead.  Don't know if that has changed 'cause I don't shop at Sears but a lot of other stores are, or were,  the same.

Welcome to the world of corporate-speak. Blame those corporate entities you and your ilk granted constitutional rights to.

[Locutus]

While there may be isolated incidents in which the holiday season causes some to attempt to cross the line of separation of church and state, and thus draw attention to themselves and their efforts, I still maintain that the overall War on Christmas is bullshit of the highest order.  And it's bullshit spewed to line the pockets of people like Bill O'Liely who prey on the gullible masses who believe that crap.

[Palehorse]

Speaking of the war on Christmas:

Well, here it is: the mother lode. A ban on Christmas that lasted over 22 years ... in America! The Puritans, for all their hemming and hawing over religious freedom, were a touchy group. Colony leader Governor William "Buzzkill Billy" Bradford, upon realizing that some pilgrims were taking the day off to celebrate Christmas, reprimanded them and instituted a fine of five shillings per mirth-making. (In his defense, he thought the song went "God Punish Ye Merry Gentlemen and Sentence Them to an Eternal Inferno.")
Christmas stirred up bad memories for the pilgrims. What Halloween is to little old ladies today, Christmas was to many people of England. Wassailers would go around asking for handouts from their neighbors and, if they weren't satisfied with the treat offerings, would sometimes terrorize them. The practice of visiting houses and singing carols for figgy pudding wasn't quite Malcolm McDowell and his droogs doing their "Singing in the Rain" bit, but it's safe to say that sometimes carolers put the "assail" in "wassail"; things got a little dicey.


The ban on Christmas became official law in 1659 and was not revoked until 1681, although the purest of Puritans were still hoping that the holiday observance wouldn't catch on. It did. But so did that whole "religious freedom" thing, so it all seemed to work out OK.

http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/3-ways-war-christmas-way-older-than-you-think/#ixzz2FHHwUdW7

So may Bill O'Liley is a Puritan? 

[me]

While there may be isolated incidents in which the holiday season causes some to attempt to cross the line of separation of church and state, and thus draw attention to themselves and their efforts, I still maintain that the overall War on Christmas is bullshit of the highest order.  And it's bullshit spewed to line the pockets of people like Bill O'Liely who prey on the gullible masses who believe that crap.

O'Reilley has little to do with what I've seen go on and in fact I haven't even watched the show for quite sometime now.  Maybe bits and pieces here and there but that's it.

[me]

Speaking of the war on Christmas:

Well, here it is: the mother lode. A ban on Christmas that lasted over 22 years ... in America! The Puritans, for all their hemming and hawing over religious freedom, were a touchy group. Colony leader Governor William "Buzzkill Billy" Bradford, upon realizing that some pilgrims were taking the day off to celebrate Christmas, reprimanded them and instituted a fine of five shillings per mirth-making. (In his defense, he thought the song went "God Punish Ye Merry Gentlemen and Sentence Them to an Eternal Inferno.")
Christmas stirred up bad memories for the pilgrims. What Halloween is to little old ladies today, Christmas was to many people of England. Wassailers would go around asking for handouts from their neighbors and, if they weren't satisfied with the treat offerings, would sometimes terrorize them. The practice of visiting houses and singing carols for figgy pudding wasn't quite Malcolm McDowell and his droogs doing their "Singing in the Rain" bit, but it's safe to say that sometimes carolers put the "assail" in "wassail"; things got a little dicey.


The ban on Christmas became official law in 1659 and was not revoked until 1681, although the purest of Puritans were still hoping that the holiday observance wouldn't catch on. It did. But so did that whole "religious freedom" thing, so it all seemed to work out OK.

http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/3-ways-war-christmas-way-older-than-you-think/#ixzz2FHHwUdW7

So may Bill O'Liley is a Puritan? 

Who knows but it seems as thought history is trying to repeat its self.

[Palehorse]

Who knows but it seems as thought history is trying to repeat its self.

Naw. we'd never do THAT! 

[Locutus]

So may Bill O'Liley is a Puritan? 

The Puritans would execute Bill O'Liely for apostasy. 

[Locutus]

Who knows but it seems as thought history is trying to repeat its self.

Possibly.  It certainly seems that the religious among us are constantly attempting to force others into their belief system.  That's exactly what the Puritans did. 

[Palehorse]

The Puritans would execute Bill O'Liely for apostasy. 

[Palehorse]

Possibly.  It certainly seems that the religious among us are constantly attempting to force others into their belief system.  That's exactly what the Puritans did. 

Yeah. I'm waiting for them to break out the "biblical justice" game plan. 

[Palehorse]

Hell, even the pope says they got the birthdate wrong! 

[Locutus]

Hell, even the pope says they got the birthdate wrong! 

Yes he sure did.  Not too bad for a man wearing a dress.     

Now if we can just change the rest of his looney ideas.