NATO 2012 - DNC 1968

[Henry Hawk]

Out comes the victim card. . . 

whatever.

[Palehorse]

whatever.

Exactly. Whatever it takes to facilitate your skewed world view. I knew that already, so how about trying something new like thinking outside of the box your "counter-information" propagates?

I am astounded each and every day at the depths to which your methodology has sunk. You used to at least try to understand things once in awhile, but no more. Just the standard party line all the way. Even when the spin and fallacy of the words are proven to be false. . .

[Anne]

What do you think the police should have done, besides letting the protesters  have free reign?

[Palehorse]

What do you think the police should have done, besides letting the protesters  have free reign?

They had 44 years to come up with something; Fail.

(As the pictures clearly demonstrate.)

[Anne]

I asked what you think they should have done, not what the police didn't do.

[Palehorse]

I asked what you think they should have done, not what the police didn't do.

Does it say anywhere that I am a law enforcement professional? No. They are. That is what they get paid to do; find solutions that work within the laws of man and human-kind.

It's always easier to resort to brute force and corporal punishment as a means of beating human beings into submission.

Secondly, I will point out that I am not the one who took the topic down this path.

The pictures demonstrate the tactics have not progressed. That is not my fault, however the citizens of this country are quick to hold foreign countries accountable within a global venue for very similar treatment of their citizens. So, where is the accountability when we do it ourselves?

[Henry Hawk]

Exactly. Whatever it takes to facilitate your skewed world view. I knew that already, so how about trying something new like thinking outside of the box your "counter-information" propagates?

I am astounded each and every day at the depths to which your methodology has sunk. You used to at least try to understand things once in awhile, but no more. Just the standard party line all the way. Even when the spin and fallacy of the words are proven to be false. . .

Palehorse, all I can do anymore is laugh.  You have such a double standard.  How am I wrong on this topic?  What have I skewed?

I pointed out that there is 100% a difference between the two incidents.  Sure both had cops with riot gear, but that is how they are supposed to address a rioting crowd.  In 1968 there was hundred to thousands of cops and national guard.  This time there was not.  It was for the most part a fairly peaceful protest, with a handful of arrests.

I think PLENTY has changed over the last 44 years.  I think it is YOU who has a skewed view.  A few protesters started with some violence.  What do you suggest the police should do, to handle these few, who had clear intentions of making a scene.

[The Troll]

I'm not going to argue with you palehorse....the fact is this.  90 arrest vs. 668 arrests.

You can continue to put me down, as always.  I'm done.

  The cop and authorities have arrested so many people it not a new thing.  The people really don't care if they are arrested any more if they have a good cause.   It's a waste to time and the cops know it, that's why they love to beat and bloody the people up.  I just love it how the cops will knee you in the balls if you try to brush by them.   

  What these people are protesting over is a good thing.  you don't like it because they are after your super rich friends.   

  Quit crying Henry.  If you want to continue to back all of your principals you just got to take the criticism.   

 

[Henry Hawk]

  The cop and authorities have arrested so many people it not a new thing.  The people really don't care if they are arrested any more if they have a good cause.   It's a waste to time and the cops know it, that's why they love to beat and bloody the people up.  I just love it how the cops will knee you in the balls if you try to brush by them.   

  What these people are protesting over is a good thing.  you don't like it because they are after your super rich friends.   

  Quit crying Henry.  If you want to continue to back all of your principals you just got to take the criticism.   

 

tell me troll, how many did the cops "bloody" up?   YOU don't have a clue.  Do you?  You just hate cops so you assume the worst. 

when people start violence...throwing water bottles, rocks and urine........It is the polices job to secure the area, and restore peace. 

Nobody told them to throw things......they did it on their own.   

I will side with our men in blue ANYDAY over protesters who choose to throw rocks and bottles.  If they get bloodied up...it is by their own choice.  The did NOT have to throw things to demonstrate.

[Exterminator]

I will side with our men in blue ANYDAY over protesters who choose to throw rocks and bottles.  If they get bloodied up...it is by their own choice.  The did NOT have to throw things to demonstrate.

Yet, as PH adeptly pointed out, you would be the first to criticize those who squashed the protests in Tiananmen Square.

[Henry Hawk]

Yet, as PH adeptly pointed out, you would be the first to criticize those who squashed the protests in Tiananmen Square.

First Where did PH point out that I would be the first to criticize those who squashed the protests in Tiananmen Square?


Second, who in the hell is talking about Tiananmen Square?

All I did, was ONE thing.  Point out that there is very little comparison between this years NATO protests and the 1968 DNC Protests.

I'm not critizing anyone except those who are throwing water bottles and urine at police then cry when they get hauled off to jail.

but, let's be clear here, I have said nothing for or against those who squashed the protests in Tiananmen Square.....lets not "skew" things here.

[Exterminator]

...the citizens of this country are quick to hold foreign countries accountable within a global venue for very similar treatment of their citizens. So, where is the accountability when we do it ourselves?

Here and you're missing the larger point.  Is there ever a time when it is justifiable or appropriate to elevate civil disobedience to violence?  Be careful how you answer that.

[Henry Hawk]

Here and you're missing the larger point.  Is there ever a time when it is justifiable or appropriate to elevate civil disobedience to violence?  Be careful how you answer that.

You guys are making a mountain out of a mole hill.............AGAIN

I merely responded to the two pictures that ph posted...stating some things never change.  It is my opinion that plenty has changed.  The two events had different outcomes.  The police kept things very civil...despite some honery protesters who threw things at them.

As far as you question, I like to think that violence is always a last resort for any reason....and it depends on who is justifing the situation.

[The Troll]

tell me troll, how many did the cops "bloody" up?   YOU don't have a clue.  Do you?  You just hate cops so you assume the worst. 

when people start violence...throwing water bottles, rocks and urine........It is the polices job to secure the area, and restore peace. 

Nobody told them to throw things......they did it on their own.   

I will side with our men in blue ANYDAY over protesters who choose to throw rocks and bottles.  If they get bloodied up...it is by their own choice.  The did NOT have to throw things to demonstrate.

  How many of these terrible demonstraters have a helmet, a full face shield, a hard shield, bullet proof vest, shin guards, knee guards and steel toe storm trooper boots.  Huhhhhhh?  Plus being trained to use all of the deadly force there is.  Huhhh?

  Not many cops are injured compared with the people they come up against.        for the Storm Trooper Cops. 

[Henry Hawk]

  How many of these terrible demonstraters have a helmet, a full face shield, a hard shield, bullet proof vest, shin guards, knee guards and steel toe storm trooper boots.  Huhhhhhh?  Plus being trained to use all of the deadly force there is.  Huhhh?

  Not many cops are injured compared with the people they come up against.        for the Storm Trooper Cops. 

then just be peaceful and don't throw shit .... and NOBODY gets hurt.

not ONCE did you have to worry about violence at a tea party