Trayvon Martin

[Henry Hawk]

Then why did you write ... ?
"Since this was just a white boy.......it is NOT a hate crime."

it is called sarcasm.....I think ALL violent crimes are HATE CRIMES....why does someone have to decide only if it was racially motivated to be called a "hate crime"?  All crimes of a viloent nature are motivated by hate...no matter what color the victim is or the person doing the crime.

[Bo D]

All crimes of a viloent nature are motivated by hate...

Not true. A burglar breaks into your home. He thought you were away on vacation. You hear him tearing apart your living room and you attack him with a crowbar. He shoots you and flees. Violent crime.

Does he hate you? He doesn't even know you.

You're walking down Main Street late at night. Someone comes up to you and demands your wallet. You resist. He shoots you.Violent crime.

Does he hate you? He doesn't even know you.

[Henry Hawk]

Clearly he did and is therefore responsible for Martin's death.

For the most part I agree with your analysis, but waiting on all of the facts still. IF, Martin ATTACKED Zimmerman, and is beating his head on the sidewalk, does NOT mean that Zimmerman has a right to not shoot him.  Even if Zimmerman is asking him questions or not minding his own business, does not make Martins attack an okay thing to do.  We don't know all that went down....it is still possible, that Zimmerman is NOT responsible for the death of Martin....though, had Zimmerman let the police handle the situation...Martin would still be alive.

The whole thing is a very unfortunate situation.

What is more disturbing is folks like Spike Lee and NBPP, who is offering a bounty for one million dollars for Zimmerman, Dead or Alive.

That is the real crime....

[Henry Hawk]

Not true. A burglar breaks into your home. He thought you were away on vacation. You hear him tearing apart your living room and you attack him with a crowbar. He shoots you and flees. Violent crime.

Does he hate you? He doesn't even know you.

You're walking down Main Street late at night. Someone comes up to you and demands your wallet. You resist. He shoots you.Violent crime.

Does he hate you? He doesn't even know you.

Those are good examples, and point taken.

But, I think there has got to be a level of hate of some sort, in order to VIOLENTLY kill.  I guess, my though on 'violent' is one of a more premeditated, when a person has an intent to be violent.  Not one of acting on fear.

But you got me thinking this one out a little further.

[Locutus]

I have to give a tip of the hat to Ex for perhaps the best summary of Zimmerman's predicament, and this tragedy.  Somewhere, in some thread, Ex said, "You don't have a right to claim self defense in an altercation you initiated."  That pretty much sums the whole thing up right there. 

[Henry Hawk]

I have to give a tip of the hat to Ex for perhaps the best summary of Zimmerman's predicament, and this tragedy.  Somewhere, in some thread, Ex said, "You don't have a right to claim self defense in an altercation you initiated."  That pretty much sums the whole thing up right there. 

Just because someone says...."what are you doing?"  (I am merely using a pretend situtation)....and the other person thinks that this guy is butting into his business.....does that make it okay for him to beat the guy's head on the sidewalk?....

I'm still waiting to hear ALL of the info on the zimmerman/martin case.  I do think, Zimmerman should have left things alone, but we do not know ALL of the details yet.

We do know that a lot of folks have JUMPED the gun on this case and have overplayed it.

[Bo D]

I know, my point is WHERE is the rest of the media.........

Was this story on Faux News?

[Exterminator]

Just because someone says...."what are you doing?"  (I am merely using a pretend situtation)....and the other person thinks that this guy is butting into his business.....does that make it okay for him to beat the guy's head on the sidewalk?

Based on the apparent absence of any serious injuries to Zimmerman's head, the story about Martin beating his head on the sidewalk seems suspect.  I also seriously doubt, based on Zimmerman's 911 call, that he didn't put his hands on Martin.  That notwithstanding, what would you do if you were walking through a relative's neighborhood and noticed someone following you who then jumped out of his car, ran after you and started questioning you?  If someone did that to me, he'd better be prepared for a smackdown.

[Henry Hawk]

Based on the apparent absence of any serious injuries to Zimmerman's head, the story about Martin beating his head on the sidewalk seems suspect.  I also seriously doubt, based on Zimmerman's 911 call, that he didn't put his hands on Martin.  That notwithstanding, what would you do if you were walking through a relative's neighborhood and noticed someone following you who then jumped out of his car, ran after you and started questioning you?  If someone did that to me, he'd better be prepared for a smackdown.

again, I am not even going argue with you, because I understand and agree...Yes, I would be ready to throw down IF, someone was to come at me in an overzealous fashion.

I think more evidence needs to come out....It seems that Martin is not the sweet looking kid the media has been posting up from a couple ofyears ago....I don't think Martin is a innocent as they first portrayed him.

[me]

Was this story on Faux News?

That's where I heard about it. 

[Bo D]

That's where I heard about it. 

Unless you can post a link, I am calling that bull$shit.

[Exterminator]

I think more evidence needs to come out....It seems that Martin is not the sweet looking kid the media has been posting up from a couple ofyears ago....I don't think Martin is a innocent as they first portrayed him.

Because he got suspended when they found some weed in his bookbag?  C'mon...are you naive enough to think your kids never tried pot when they were teenagers and does that make him a criminal worthy of being gunned down?

[The Troll]

because the MAIN stream MEDIA does not want to report such incidents....and especially the lop-sided news YOU watch...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2110078/Boy-13-doused-gasoline-set-alight-racially-motivated-attack-Kansas-City.html


http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-03-04/news/31122324_1_white-boy-fire-tv-station

Since this was just a white boy.......it is NOT a hate crime.

When is the hypocrisy going to end?

  Hawk you want to bet me some money that this case isn't over.  You don't know the whole story, let's see what happen to the black boys and you can let me know.   

[Henry Hawk]

Because he got suspended when they found some weed in his bookbag?  C'mon...are you naive enough to think your kids never tried pot when they were teenagers and does that make him a criminal worthy of being gunned down?

Nope not at all...but couple that with being suspended three times from high school...once for defacing school property.  I get the feeling he was not just the nice little boy he was first being portrayed....but, I am only making my own assumptions, and not declaring him guilty of anything...just trying to peice this together.

[me]

Unless you can post a link, I am calling that bull$shit.

Uh, how else do you think I might have heard about it to bring it up?