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Exterminator

May 12, 2011, 02:21:57 PM
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Anne

#1
May 12, 2011, 03:50:50 PM
Do you agree with all of that?
"A discontented man will find no easy chair." Ben Franklin

Y

#2
May 12, 2011, 04:07:28 PM
Quote from: Anne on May 12, 2011, 03:50:50 PM
Do you agree with all of that?

I do, and think it's a GREAT article with several salient points.

These are what I consider to be the three best:

1.  The quote by Molly Ivins:

"It is possible to read the history of this country as one long struggle to extend the liberties established in our Constitution to everyone in America."

-- Molly Ivins, great American newspaperwoman

2.  This reiteration:

In no other period of our history did we make such dramatic progress in that never-ending struggle "to extend the liberties established in our Constitution to everyone in America."

3.  This part that evinces the racism and bigotry inherent in the RW/Tea Party/'conservative' (read - reactionary) politics:

Or, as Hodding Carter put it to historian Arthur Schlesinger, when Schlesinger asked why Southern white men hated Bill Clinton so much, "They look back with longing at the good old days -- the days when abortion was in the back alley, gays were in the closet, women were in the kitchen, blacks were in the back of the bus, and condoms were under the counter."
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

The Troll

#3
May 12, 2011, 04:45:05 PM

  "Y" your little statement of "Never underestimate the power of a large group of stupid people.  Brings to my mind the Tea Party which is a part of the main 34% power base of the Republican Party.  And their stupidity is beyond belief.  You can read it every day here on the Unknown Zone and it is scary and spooky.  It would be funny if it wasn't so dangerous to middle class people and their freedom, especially women.  :flag:

Henry Hawk

#4
May 12, 2011, 05:07:26 PM
Though I tend to agree that some very good things did occur during the 1960's....such as the civil rights movement.  But with that also came the "Hippie mentality" of drug use and random sex.....that spawned a generation of kids that "abusing" drugs became a norm, disrespecting authority was encouraged and the overall lack of moral decency grew rampantly.

So, I am not so sure "cured" America is appropriate.....there always seems to be a trade off on everything....good for bad...bad for good.

anyway, that is my 2 cents for this topic.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Anne

#5
May 12, 2011, 05:10:28 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 12, 2011, 05:07:26 PM
Though I tend to agree that some very good things did occur during the 1960's....such as the civil rights movement.  But with that also came the "Hippie mentality" of drug use and random sex.....that spawned a generation of kids that "abusing" drugs became a norm, disrespecting authority was encouraged and the overall lack of moral decency grew rampantly.

So, I am not so sure "cured" America is appropriate.....there always seems to be a trade off on everything....good for bad...bad for good.

anyway, that is my 2 cents for this topic.

Exactly
"A discontented man will find no easy chair." Ben Franklin

Y

#6
May 12, 2011, 06:00:37 PM
Quote from: Anne on May 12, 2011, 05:10:28 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 12, 2011, 05:07:26 PM
Though I tend to agree that some very good things did occur during the 1960's....such as the civil rights movement.  But with that also came the "Hippie mentality" of drug use and random sex.....that spawned a generation of kids that "abusing" drugs became a norm, disrespecting authority was encouraged and the overall lack of moral decency grew rampantly.

So, I am not so sure "cured" America is appropriate.....there always seems to be a trade off on everything....good for bad...bad for good.

anyway, that is my 2 cents for this topic.

Exactly

Pfft! 

I refer you to history:

http://www.ukcia.org/research/cunion/cu63.htm

Chapter 63. The Haight-Ashbury, its predecessors and its satellites

There's nothing new under the sun, and as I point out again and again, the current 'conservative' (read - reactionary) movement is STILL trying to fight the culture wars of the Sixties and once again proves the movement is reactionary to it's core.

I don't know how many times I've harangued y'all about the fact that you need to know history in order to understand things in context.  ; )
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

Sandy Eggo

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May 12, 2011, 06:30:40 PM
Pardon me while I kiss the sky...
Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten. - -Cree Indian Prophecy

"Women who strive to be equal to men lack ambitition" -- anonymous

followsthewolf

#8
May 12, 2011, 07:25:57 PM
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on May 12, 2011, 06:30:40 PM
Pardon me while I kiss the sky...

Ahem.......

That would be..

" 'Scuse me while I kiss the sky!!"

Homage to Jimi. Saw him at 'stock.
Ignorance and fanaticism are ravenous. They require constant feeding.

Palehorse

#9
May 12, 2011, 07:31:04 PM
Saw this article earlier today and I was very pleased indeed with it. Read it, agreed with it, and became frustrated as hell over the fact I was unable to post it here. (Cause I wasn't near a computer with access!)

To find it here when I arrived, was a sincere pleasure; and to read the responses this far, validating!

Everybody blames drugs on the sixties, but the reality is they've always been around. (Look at Mary Jane if you want an example). ONLY the stupidity of humankind would dare to make illegal what the creator created. . .  :biggrin:

I loved this article. . .
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on May 12, 2011, 06:30:40 PM
Pardon me while I kiss the sky...

http://www.youtube.com/v/cnFSaqFzSO8
:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

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That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

Anne

#10
May 12, 2011, 07:58:54 PM
They have always been around but in the 60's they were excessive and I think that is one reason we still have such a big problem today. In the 60's there was such a mood of 'no personal responsibility' it is someone else's fault, imo. That isn't good no matter where you sit.
"A discontented man will find no easy chair." Ben Franklin

Palehorse

#11
May 12, 2011, 08:04:09 PM
Quote from: Anne on May 12, 2011, 07:58:54 PM
They have always been around but in the 60's they were excessive and I think that is one reason we still have such a big problem today. In the 60's there was such a mood of 'no personal responsibility' it is someone else's fault, imo. That isn't good no matter where you sit.

. . . So all those protests and the killing of college students (Kent State) were really NOT about holding individuals or entities accountable???? Really!??? (This kind of thinking today is, I suspect, a direct result of governmental endorsed prescription drug abuse)!
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

Anne

#12
May 12, 2011, 08:18:45 PM
So all the "kids" who were killed by the mean ugly psyco government backed national guard were drugged up and at the same time doing what they were supposed to be doing, namely getting an education. Kent State was a bad scene but don't pass it off as a bunch of drugged up free love hippies that the government straffed with machine guns. I guess you think it was just fine that Ayres blew up buildings.

Speak for yourself about being in a prescription drug haze.
"A discontented man will find no easy chair." Ben Franklin

Palehorse

#13
May 12, 2011, 09:03:12 PM
Quote from: Anne on May 12, 2011, 08:18:45 PM
So all the "kids" who were killed by the mean ugly psyco government backed national guard were drugged up and at the same time doing what they were supposed to be doing, namely getting an education. Kent State was a bad scene but don't pass it off as a bunch of drugged up free love hippies that the government straffed with machine guns. I guess you think it was just fine that Ayres blew up buildings.

Speak for yourself about being in a prescription drug haze.

Holy hell. . . are you going through withdrawal or something!  :eek:

So answer the question my statement CLEARLY begs an answer to! (I'll rephrase in order to facilitate your understanding of it).

Were all those protests back in the 60's the result of a societal shift in morals designed to hold individuals and entities accountable, or was it just a direct result of ". . .but in the 60's they were excessive and I think that is one reason we still have such a big problem today. In the 60's there was such a mood of 'no personal responsibility' it is someone else's fault, imo."????

YOUR statement tends to support what you try to accuse me of!

I'll take a chemscreen anytime and place. . . Wonder how yours would rate in comparison?  :rolleyes: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

Anne

#14
May 12, 2011, 09:50:24 PM
Holding who accountable for what, makes a difference which protest you are talking about. Do you think the prevelance of drugs in the 60s was a good thing and were the driving force behind the protests?

I am quite sure mine would be clean, but was it you that was saying how inaccurate they are?
"A discontented man will find no easy chair." Ben Franklin
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