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[Henry Hawk]

We'll see how you feel about "doing for your country" when your republican idols ramrod legislation through to eliminate or drastically reduce your mortgage deduction, your childcare exemptions, and your child-deductions.

When you start wailing, be sure to kneel in front of Grover Norquist. . . 

I personally wish, that all republicans would vote "present" with whatever deal that the dems give them.............THEY would then own it.

If it fails as predicted.....then the repubs would own the senate in 2014........if it would happen to be succesfull, then GREAT!  I want things to be good once again.

[Henry Hawk]

obama or the democrats has NOT even offered up a deal yet.........THEY need to lead.  What are they waiting for?

[Palehorse]

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I think JFK visioned people becoming free and independent....to raise families with strong moral values, to become entrepreneurs, to become inventors, to work hard and enjoy the fruits of their labors..........THAT is what he meant by what can YOU do for YOUR country....in return, our Country would provide for us...

Can anyone on here deny that we are becoming a nation that may just be TOO dependent?...I'm not being obtuse...I just really believe that the democrat platform allows people to choose government control, rather than doing for one's self.

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And when millions cannot find work? What are they supposed to do? Accept a minimum wage job that will not even put food on their table or pay for their medical care?

I personally know hundreds of individuals who slaved away at jobs at companies for decades, lost those jobs through no fault of their own, and now cannot find work. (For years in some cases). I was one of them for 19 months, and my wife is one of them right now!

Are every one of these individuals the group you paint with that brush loaded with the broad-strokes of ignorance? I think not.

You are seeking to punish ALL for the lethargy of the few, and abjectly ignoring the fact that when, (not if), your turn comes, you will be rendered homeless and unable to care for yourself, much less your family, unless government assistance is available to all. (That would be the part where our "country provides for us")

This country spends billions every year in aid to 3rd world countries and yet millions of its own citizens are forced to endure quarterly incidents of having their meager unemployment benefits held hostage to political ideals that are nothing more than pandering to the wealthy 1% of our population.

If republicans truly wanted to cut something, then why not cut aid to foreign countries and take care of our own instead?

Are we more dependent upon the government today than we were 10 years ago? Well duh, yes we are. Are their tens of millions of families substantially under-employed or out of work? Yes! (Thanks to deregulation and minimal oversight of corporate Amerika in part).

The fact is that if you take a long hard look at the entire world today we aren't any worse than 99% of other countries, and a damn sight better than the lions share of them; despite the train wreck of the economy in this nation by those who seek to lengthen the tenure of the condition, and burden the 99% with 100% of the cost while the 1% enjoy increased tax breaks simultaneously.

That 1% controls the corporate America that bought a SCOTUS decision to grant corporations constitutional rights, as well as the media of this nation that by and far, has become the ministry of propaganda. Said ministry currently engaged in the proliferation of half-truths and outright lies designed to bolster the position of the 1% and induce support from the 99% to ensure they not only keep what they have, but obtain more on the backs of the 99%.

You have to ask yourself just why it is that corporations enjoy the same constitutional rights as you and I, but unlike us they do not have to conduct themselves (business / operations) within those same rights? How is that in any way, shape, or form fair?

Despite what you may think of corporations, (and yes I work for one of them), the insidious reality is that the SCOTUS decision abdicated power from the individual citizens of this country to the few corporate / private entities that control the majority of the wealth in this nation. One only has to look at the recently concluded election process to see how dangerously close this nation came to placing one of those jackals in the Oval Office, and had that transpired by the end of that administration this country would have been nothing but a memory of a grand experiment that failed. And yet it may still come to pass.

The reality is that as the conservative faction of our government continues to herd this nation toward the fiscal cliff it created, the starkness of what it means still has not clicked with the sheep who follow them. When it does they will caterwaul to the heavens over their plight and blame it on anything and anyone else but the ones who actually are responsible for it; conservative obstructionists.

I have serious doubt as to whether the 99% of the population that will be impacted the most over our headlong dive over the cliff, will be able to survive long enough to impose retribution upon those miscreants via an election in 2014. A major portion of them will become homeless, without means of support, and with no legal address; rendering them mute in the election process due to the fact they will be unable to meet the qualifications they imposed upon themselves before being thrown over the precipice of fiscal ruination. (Ironic eh?)

No drivers license, no home, no job, not even a medical card with which to obtain healthcare to allow them to endure the climate. Think you'll be allowed to vote then?

Many will attempt to turn to arms in the centuries old tradition, and constitutionally granted right, as a means with which to wrest control from the inter-lopers; but by then this too will be futile as many municipalities have already grabbed those arms from them. (Can you say Nazi Regime?) And thanks to the anti-social dogma that has been growing for decades within this country, those without means will be doomed to expire cold, hungry, and afflicted; and be laid to rest in mass, anonymous graves that are dug by their peers who will soon be joining them.

You don't see it and therein lies the most dangerous aspect to the future of this nation. The 1%'ers are counting on it.

[Henry Hawk]

With all due respect, that sounds fantastic...but still one-sided enormously

I never stated that ALL folks needing assistence are ignorant.  I realize that.  I also think until we address those who are MILKING the system, it is going to only get much, much worse.

I too, wish at this time we cut off much of our foriegn aid.........When have I ever stated such?  I 100% agree we MUST take care of our own.......but only those who REALLY need it.  We have made it too easy for some to get assistence that truly does not need assistence.  No everyone HAS to have cell phones, TV's and air conditioning. 

I also stand firmly, that the RICH are not evil...and only THEY can create jobs.  The government has NO place in job creation, other than seeing to it that people are abiding by our Constitution.

Telling Corporations what they can or cannot do with their money is NOT the place of the government.  Corporations are groups of citizens.  It may suck, but constitutionally, where do they have the right to say what they do with their profits?

I know Corp America has changed the course of history.....and NOT for the good I would add.  But, regulating them with more and more laws is also destroying our economy.  The fact the Unions became TOO powerful must be included in YOUR equation to the heading over the fiscal cliff.
The division of this nation by the antics of talking points as the Troll uses on a daily basis is just as bothersome as your claims of the lying by republicans.  Both need to get their heads out of thier asses.
The bottom line for me is this........we MUST reduce spending.  Forcing the "rich" to pay more is NOT going to fix this problem.  If they paid 100% of everything they owned, would run our country for less than a week.
Creating an enviroment of getting the rich to spend once agian is the ONLY way to fix this economy, which will increase federal revenue, so we CAN have SOME entitlement programs to help out those who NEED it.

[The Troll]

  If you don't regulate the Corporate Vultures and predatory capitalist you have a corporate dictatorship and corruption of the middle class where all people who are not rich is a corporate wage slave with no rights to a good life.    To hell with the Republican Party.  Just keep it up, dumb asses.   

[me]

  If you don't regulate the Corporate Vultures and predatory capitalist you have a corporate dictatorship and corruption of the middle class where all people who are not rich is a corporate wage slave with no rights to a good life.    To hell with the Republican Party.  Just keep it up, dumb asses.   

Well guess what, the workers are not supposed to be as well off as the business owners.  Why be a business owner if there's no advantage to the headache of it all and if you can be rich doing nothing? Do you really think everyone would have a good life if they were a slaves to government wages?  Where do you think the government wages would come from?

[The Troll]

Well guess what, the workers are not supposed to be as well off as the business owners.  Why be a business owner if there's no advantage to the headache of it all and if you can be rich doing nothing? Do you really think everyone would have a good life if they were a slaves to government wages?  Where do you think the government wages would come from?

  Where was your head when you made that statement?      Yeah, yeah, I know up your ass with all of the rest of your freedom ideas for the people.  Miss Froggy.

[Henry Hawk]

  If you don't regulate the Corporate Vultures and predatory capitalist you have a corporate dictatorship and corruption of the middle class where all people who are not rich is a corporate wage slave with no rights to a good life.    To hell with the Republican Party.  Just keep it up, dumb asses.   

Just WHAT exactly IS your solution?  Force the rich people to give their money to the poor?  Please tell me exactly TROLL, what is YOUR solution?  Force Corp America to GIVE more money to others?  Create laws that MAKES them share THEIR profits the best way our government see's fit?   PLEASE FILL ME IN.

[Palehorse]

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I also stand firmly, that the RICH are not evil...and only THEY can create jobs.  The government has NO place in job creation, other than seeing to it that people are abiding by our Constitution.

And I stand firmly by the evidence of the last 10 years which firmly proves that the 1%'s are NOT creating jobs, despite the undisputed ability to be capable of doing so.

Telling Corporations what they can or cannot do with their money is NOT the place of the government.  Corporations are groups of citizens.  It may suck, but constitutionally, where do they have the right to say what they do with their profits?

No one is trying to tell them what they can and cannot do with their profits. They just wanted the ability to buy legislation via funding of political campaigns and this last election proves that it worked. Almost too well. And the lessons they learned will be addressed in the next election; wherein the votes of the citizens will be reduced to the status of toilet paper.

Allowing them to do that was one of greatest travesties in judicial history. (As history will one day show). That aside, they still are not creating jobs are they. . .

I know Corp America has changed the course of history.....and NOT for the good I would add.  But, regulating them with more and more laws is also destroying our economy.  The fact the Unions became TOO powerful must be included in YOUR equation to the heading over the fiscal cliff.

Deregulation brought us to where we are today, with the tail wagging the dog. It is what allowed the collapse of the housing industry, the banking industry, and the flight of manufacturing jobs from this country. (Unions were just the excuse used to validate taking advantage of a loop-hole most CEO's swore they wouldn't abuse back in the Reagan era.)

The division of this nation by the antics of talking points as the Troll uses on a daily basis is just as bothersome as your claims of the lying by republicans.  Both need to get their heads out of thier asses.
The bottom line for me is this........we MUST reduce spending.  Forcing the "rich" to pay more is NOT going to fix this problem.  If they paid 100% of everything they owned, would run our country for less than a week.
Creating an enviroment of getting the rich to spend once agian is the ONLY way to fix this economy, which will increase federal revenue, so we CAN have SOME entitlement programs to help out those who NEED it.

Excuse me but back when Bush extended the tax cuts to the wealthy, we were warned that it would contribute to the shortfall we see today. Granted, the other things I previously pointed out also were contributors but the reality is together they created the toxic environment that continues to suck the life out of not just this nation, but the world in general. (We've been over this ground many times before, so the information supporting this is available in this very forum if it hasn't aged off).

As for Troll, he's a big boy and can fend for himself, so your attempt to use his perspectives as a means to persuade anyone as to how wrong they are is not even worth the time to respond to. Moreover, your own theory surrounding the wealthy being unable to pay of the national debt even if the government absconded with every penny of it is not only balderdash, but outright nefarious at its root. No one is saying that anything of the like should be undertaken.

All that is being asked of them is that they shoulder their fair share. (And a lot of them agree!)

[Exterminator]

Still trying to teach that pig to dance, PH?

The fact of the matter is that Bush's tax cuts for the wealthiest have now been around for almost a dozen years and none of the things these clowns continue to claim result from such tax cuts has occurred.  Arguing about it, providing factual evidence to the contrary...none of it works; they choose to remain gullible and willfully ignorant even while the obvious fallacy of their beliefs is right in front of them.

[Henry Hawk]

Palehorse,
As always, you write a very good opinion piece.....you continue to claim you have laid out facts, but have ignored the many I have posted.

This one in particular,

Wall Street Journal: "In 1980, when the top income tax rate was 70%, the richest 1% paid only 19% of all income taxes; now, with a top rate of 35%, they pay more than double that share."

and this one:


The TOP 1% pay 39%, up 2% from 2000 when President Bush took office


What exactly IS the fair share?


The TOP 50% pay 97% of all income taxes and 86% of all income taxes are paid by the top 25% of income earners....

Also, the Bush tax cuts DID create jobs.....


According to the CES data , the employment numbers during the period commencing in June 2001 through January, 2008 were as follows:

   
• June 2001: 132,047,000 people employed
• January 2008: 137,996,000 people employed

Total Increase: 5,949,000 more people employed.
If we use the alternate survey measurement, the Current Population Survey (CPS), which, as noted above, collects data via a smaller survey of individuals and families and produces the numbers used to deliver us the monthly unemployment rate—a measurement Scott Walker considered less reliable and subject to revision by the CES results— the numbers appear a bit better.

   
• June 2001: 136,873,000 people employed
• January 2008: 146,407,000 people employed

Total Increase: 9,534,000 more people employed

and just think about what Bush faced.............he inherited a recession, he had the attack on 9/11....had the largest natural disaster strike in New Orleans....and faced two wars........and STILL held unemployment under 5% most of his two terms.

Ironically, it was not until the democrats took over in 2006, when the shite hit the fan........and the fannie/freddie debacle occurred....AFTER Bush warned congress that trouble was coming if we did not get them under grip.

I just call them as I see them.

[The Troll]

         Don't worry, Henry was born with a tin foot in his mouth and he doesn't know shit. 


       What is he bitching about, he, his dad and mother, his boy and everybody is going to get a tax cut under $250,000 and he wants to cry about the Super Rich.
Good old 53 year old, tin cup Henry.         Buddy can you spare a dime.        Bring back Herbert Hoover.

                                                                                        

[Locutus]

25 minutes until I hit the $550 million Powerball drawing!   

[Locutus]

... or not.

The winning numbers are:

5-23-16-22-29-Powerball 6

Good luck to the rest of you because it wasn't me. 

[Palehorse]

Don't try to win over the haters. . .

You're not the jackass whisperer. . .