Stimulus Spending

[Exterminator]

...but PH will still try...   

[Palehorse]

Here's at least part of the source for Hannity's howling. . .

http://coburn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?a=Files.Serve&File_id=a28a4590-10ac-4dc1-bd97-df57b39ed872

Seems ol Coburn and McCain went out to try to cut the throat of the POTUS by slinging mud over things they knew very little about. . . Bug surprise eh? 

I will support the comments of Ex and FTW surrounding the dangers of buying into the propaganda put out there concerning the questionable value of research, and further state that if the entities that were the recipients of these grants squandered the money I do not see where that is the federal government's fault. I say the blame lays at the feet of the local government officials who filed for it, and then upon receiving it turned it into pork. Here's an example from our own state that is contained within the above linked report:

83. Indiana Sending Half of Weatherization Funds to Politically Active Builders Group ($66 million)
About half the $132 million in state weatherization funds is going to a politically- connected lobby that has virtually no experience weatherizing houses.   The state is spending its weatherization funds through a new start-up program run by the Indiana Builders Association rather than through existing programs.   Department of Energy weatherization funding for the state of Indiana was a little over $6.5 million in 2008. The stimulus expands weatherization spending by about 20 times the size of its previous entire annual program.

[Palehorse]

...but PH will still try...   

Hey, I stopped at #87, when the very same thought occurred to me! 

[Henry Hawk]

all of that stuff may be fine and dandy...........but when we are facing a serious debt and deficiet.............we got to quit spending.

just like our personal lives, we would love to have all of the thrills and chills this life has to offer, but you do what you can afford.

We got to have some limits to what we spend.  Am I the only one on here, besides me, that understands this?

[Exterminator]

Maybe we should get rid of ROTC and make your son pay for his own schooling?

[Henry Hawk]

Maybe we should get rid of ROTC and make your son pay for his own schooling?

He is not in the ROTC.

[Exterminator]

Funny, I'm pretty sure you said he was before.  So do you pay for his schooling or does he work...grants...loans?

[Henry Hawk]

Funny, I'm pretty sure you said he was before.  So do you pay for his schooling or does he work...grants...loans?

That was his original plans but opted not to go through with them.  He is in the National Guard.  NUNYA business WHO is paying for it.

[The Troll]

That was his original plans but opted not to go through with them.  He is in the National Guard.  NUNYA business WHO is paying for it.

  National Guard, poorly equipped and sent into full combat.  Not good for solider.

[Exterminator]

That was his original plans but opted not to go through with them.  He is in the National Guard.  NUNYA business WHO is paying for it.

National Guard probably is as they are for my ex's son.  If not, either grants or student loans involve federal funds...why should I be required to subsidize your son's education; I didn't breed him?

Now, before you get your panties in a bunch, Hank, I don't have a problem subsidizing your son's or anyone else's education because I think it's good for society.  To the extent that we don't educate our population, it ultimately costs us more in the long run.  The same holds true for many of the programs you think are worthless simply because you don't understand them.

[Henry Hawk]

National Guard probably is as they are for my ex's son.  If not, either grants or student loans involve federal funds...why should I be required to subsidize your son's education; I didn't breed him?

Now, before you get your panties in a bunch, Hank, I don't have a problem subsidizing your son's or anyone else's education because I think it's good for society.  To the extent that we don't educate our population, it ultimately costs us more in the long run.  The same holds true for many of the programs you think are worthless simply because you don't understand them.

I am not saying they are ALL worthless or we should not have them.  I have a ounce two of liberalness in me.  My one and only point is, we DO have much wasted government spending.  I say let's try to fix that before we begin raising taxes on everyone.

[Exterminator]

Of course we have wasted spending; what should we cut first, the programs and services that benefit you and your family directly or the ones that don't?  Therein lies the problem.

[Henry Hawk]

Of course we have wasted spending; what should we cut first, the programs and services that benefit you and your family directly or the ones that don't?  Therein lies the problem.

Nobody said it would be easy, but finding programs to spend to benefit you and your family (Hypothetically speaking) become just as a problem, or it should be. 
If we exhaust the spending as much as possible, then let's talk about ways to generate more revenue to pay for things.  That is my belief, and the way I will vote, if given the opportunity.

[Exterminator]

Trust me, your family with five kids is the recipient of way more benefits than mine.  In fact, I live in a two (good) income family with no dependents; any idea how many government programs benefit us?  None, notta, zilch, zero.  Every dependent tax write-off you get we pay for.

[Anne]

We all go through that period in our life, but then we get old and we get it back, SS, Medicare, etc.