*@$%*^!!! Judge stops federal funding of embryonic stem cell research

[Exterminator]

More bullshit from that same site with the aforementioned agenda (which is the same as yours), Henry.

[Palehorse]

I am finished trying to inform those who will not be informed. You want to keep on believing that bullshit go right ahead. It's like a giant booger on the end of your nose, and I am done telling you it is there. Wear it like a badge or crown. I do not care anymore.

[Locutus]

More bullshit from that same site with the aforementioned agenda (which is the same as yours), Henry.

Yup!  And not surprisingly, a little digging led me to the folks behind that website. 

http://www.cbhd.org/

"Provides news, information, and other resources on bioethics. Analysis from a Christian perspective."

[Henry Hawk]

SO THIS SCIENTIFIC DOESN'T FIT YOU AGENDA EITHER SO IT IS BULLSHIT...

THERE IS A HUGE AMOUNT OF HYPOCRICY GOING ON HERE...........YOUR STUFF IS OKAY....ANYBODY ELSES IS NOT...

I GET IT....

[Locutus]

HH, can't you see the difference in science that's supported by the vast majority of the scientific community as opposed to "science" (and I use that term VERY loosely) that is found on a site such as the one set up by the folks above?

From evolution, to stem cell research, so many facts of science butt up against core beliefs and values of the Christian community, but you fail to see why a Christian website putting forth information like you cited above is suspect?

[Locutus]

Here's more:

The CBHD is a non-profit think tank affiliated with the evangelical protestant Christian Trinity International University located in the Deerfield Park suburb of Chicago.

So the parent organization of the CBHD is these folks right here:

http://www.tiu.edu/

Now the only thing I didn't do, is tie that website that you cited to all of these people so let me do that right here:

$ whois stemcellresearch.org

Domain ID:D6987558-LROR
Domain Name:STEMCELLRESEARCH.ORG
Created On:02-Jun-1999 20:29:02 UTC
Last Updated On:20-Feb-2007 14:49:56 UTC
Expiration Date:02-Jun-2013 20:29:40 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:Network Solutions LLC (R63-LROR)
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:16845332-NSIV
Registrant Name:Center for Bioethics and Human Dignity
Registrant Organization:Center for Bioethics and Human Dignity
Registrant Street1:ATTN insert domain name here
Registrant Street2:care of Network Solutions
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Drums
Registrant State/Province:PA
Registrant Postal Code:18222
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:+1.5707088780

[Henry Hawk]

So if you are a Christian, then you are incapable of presenting SCIENCE or facts based upon science? or your scienceis distorted because the also have a belief in God?

and the founding members of the site I referenced;


Kevin FitzGerald, SJ, PhD
Associate Professor of Oncology
David Lauler Professor for Catholic Health Care Ethics
Georgetown University

C. Christopher Hook, MD
Hematology/Medical Oncology,
The Mayo Clinic (Minnesota);
Chair, Mayo Clinical Ethics Council,
Mayo Reproductive Medicine Advisory Board and DNA Research Committee

Ralph Miech, MD, PhD
Associate Professor Emeritus of Pharmacology
Brown University School of Medicine

Robert D. Orr, MD
Director of Ethics, FAHC
University of Vermont College of Medicine

David A. Prentice, PhD
Senior Fellow for Life Sciences
Family Research Council

Frank E. Young, MD, PhD
Former Commissioner,
US Food and Drug Administration;
Dean Emeritus,
University of Rochester School of Medicine and Dentistry;
Director, Reformed Theological Seminary,
Metro Washington, DC


Joseph Zanga, MD, FAAP, FCP
Director, Office of Generalist Programs
National Health Service Corp Ambassador
Professor of Pediatrics
Brody School of Medicine at ECU

are not qualified because they have a faith in God?

[Palehorse]

http://stemcells.nih.gov/info/basics/basics7.asp

http://www.isscr.org/public

http://www.explorestemcells.co.uk

http://www.stemcellresearchnews.com

http://www.isscr.org/public/faq.htm#4

For those truly interested in learning and forming an educated opinion, or just understanding the topic at a higher level.

[Locutus]

are not qualified because they have a faith in God?

I view those fellows in about the same light as I view these fellows:

http://www.discovery.org/fellows/

[Palehorse]

I view those fellows in about the same light as I view these fellows:

http://www.discovery.org/fellows/

Aren't they the group of intelligent design science folks who were "sent to Siberia"?

[Locutus]

Aren't they the group of intelligent design science folks who were "sent to Siberia"?

They are one and the same.

Although interestingly enough, they've changed their website around quite a bit probably in an attempt to mask what they're really up to.

[Henry Hawk]

They are one and the same.

Although interestingly enough, they've changed their website around quite a bit probably in an attempt to mask what they're really up to.

and what would that be?

[Locutus]

and what would that be?

This:

The Discovery Institute is a conservative non-profit public policy think tank based in Seattle, Washington, best known for its advocacy of intelligent design. Its Teach the Controversy campaign aims to teach creationist anti-evolution beliefs in United States public high school science courses.[2][3][4][5][6] A federal court, along with the majority of scientific organizations, including the American Association for the Advancement of Science, say the Institute has manufactured the controversy they want to teach by promoting a false perception that evolution is "a theory in crisis",[7] through incorrectly claiming that it is the subject of wide controversy and debate within the scientific community.[8][9][10] In 2005, a federal court ruled that the Discovery Institute pursues "demonstrably religious, cultural, and legal missions",[7][9][11] and the institute's manifesto, the Wedge strategy,[12]  describes a religious goal: to "reverse the stifling dominance of the materialist worldview, and to replace it with a science consonant with Christian and theistic convictions".[13][14]

[Locutus]

^^

Translation just in case that isn't clear:   They're pushing lies. 

[Palehorse]

. . .and to replace it with a science consonant with Christian and theistic convictions".

And that is my problem with these idiots. Interestingly, I find some of their theories and explanations are worth research to me personally; however, when they break out the podium and start preaching and aligning their work with religion, I pull the eject lever PDQ.

Several of them have done some pretty good work and established facts that warrant further research, but where they lose me is when they start trying to align the results with religious dogma; failing to account for the fact that "god", in every single aspect and version of it on the face of this earth, is a human creation that cannot be validated via empirical evidence. Moreover, the empirical evidence that can be produced validates the thought that God is something created by humankind, at a time when there were no reasonable explanations for the things we know today are scientifically explainable and normal.

One day science may very well prove some of these theories, but until the centuries old wall between religion and science is removed it is not likely to ever happen. It is after all, the eternal struggle!