LDS Gospel Doctrine

[JANADELE]

Joseph Smith's great-grandfather Samuel Smith was a congressional representative in Massachusetts and a captain in the Revolutionary War. His son Asael Smith (Joseph's grandfather) served with him in the war as a soldier in northern New York.

Throughout the ages there has been conflict. Suffering across the globe.  Grim tragic brutal conquests... subjugation, repression. Astronomical costs in life and treasures.

The Lord has said that in the last days there will be “wars and rumors of wars, the whole earth shall be in commotion, and men’s hearts shall fail” (D&C 45:26).

Weapons change. The ability to kill and destroy is constantly refined. But war itself is not new.

As we seek to understand the causes of wars, persecutions, and civil strife, we can see that they are almost always rooted in wickedness.

Throughout the course of history tyrants have oppressed their own people and threatened others and the world. Consequently great and terrifying forces with sophisticated and fearsome armaments have been engaged in battle. Many of our own Church members have been, and are, involved in such conflicts.

There are times and circumstances when nations are justified, in fact have an obligation, to fight for freedom to worship, for family, liberty,  ... and to fight against tyranny, threat, and oppression. There is much that we can and must do in these perilous times. We follow the Prince of Peace. But even He said, “Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword” (Matt. 10:34).

One of our Articles of Faith, which represent an expression of our doctrine, states, “We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law” (A of F 1:12). As citizens we are all under the direction of our respective national leaders. They have access to greater political and military intelligence than do the people generally. Those in the armed services are under obligation to their respective governments to execute the will of the sovereign. When they joined the military service, they entered into a contract by which they are presently bound and to which they have dutifully responded.

Latter-day Saints called upon to go into battle can look to the example of Captain Moroni, the great military leader in the Book of Mormon. Although he was a mighty warrior, he “did not delight in bloodshed” (Alma 48:11). He was “firm in the faith of Christ,” and his only reason for fighting was to “defend his people, his rights, and his country, and his religion” (Alma 48:13). If Latter-day Saints must go to war, they should go in a spirit of truth and righteousness, with a desire to do good. Then, if they are required to shed another’s blood, their action will not be counted as sin.

When war raged between the Nephites and the Lamanites, the record states that “the Nephites were inspired by a better cause, for they were not fighting for power but for their homes, their liberties, their wives, their children, their all, yea, for their rites of worship and their church.
“And they were doing that which they felt was the duty which they owed to their God” (Alma 43:45–46).

The Lord counseled them, “Defend your families even unto bloodshed” (Alma 43:47).

And Moroni “rent his coat; and he took a piece thereof, and wrote upon it—In memory of our God, our religion, and freedom, and our peace, our wives, and our children—and he fastened it upon the end of a pole.

“And he fastened on his headplate, and his breastplate, and his shields, and girded on his armor about his loins; and he took the pole, which had on the end thereof his rent coat, (and he called it the title of liberty) and he bowed himself to the earth, and he prayed mightily unto his God for the blessings of liberty to rest upon his brethren” (Alma 46:12–13).

[The Troll]

     The last paragraph,   

[JANADELE]

 

[JANADELE]

Draw near unto me and I will draw near unto you; seek me diligently and ye shall find me; ask, and ye shall receive; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. (Doctrine and Covenants 88:63)

[LOsborne]

     The last paragraph,   

You made me look. I didn't groan but I did giggle.

And he fastened on his headplate, and his breastplate, and his shields, and girded on his armor about his loins

that's a lot of hardware to carry around...

... and he bowed himself to the earth...

I imagine he did. I imagine he had to divest himself of most the gear before he could get up again. But I don't understand why he needed all that battle gear to pray?

[The Troll]

You made me look. I didn't groan but I did giggle.

And he fastened on his headplate, and his breastplate, and his shields, and girded on his armor about his loins

that's a lot of hardware to carry around...

... and he bowed himself to the earth...

I imagine he did. I imagine he had to divest himself of most the gear before he could get up again. But I don't understand why he needed all that battle gear to pray?

[The Troll]

You made me look. I didn't groan but I did giggle.

And he fastened on his headplate, and his breastplate, and his shields, and girded on his armor about his loins

that's a lot of hardware to carry around...

... and he bowed himself to the earth...

I imagine he did. I imagine he had to divest himself of most the gear before he could get up again. But I don't understand why he needed all that battle gear to pray?

  Amen Sister Lolly.  and the Holy

[JANADELE]

God is your Father in Heaven. Matthew 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

We call God Heavenly Father because He is the Father of our spirits and we are created in His image. Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents   

[The Troll]

 

  You talk of absolute truth, there is none.  We live in an Universe that nothing is absolute.  You talk that you have had many religious experiences.  You probably did, in your own mind.

  But have you seen any real miracles, one that can be proved to come from God and not by the law of averages.  Well, I have not, none.  If God really gives a damn and he is powerful as you say he is.  Why haven't we seen any arms, legs, eyes, livers, kidneys, feet, hands or any other body regenerated.  With all that power that should be an easy job for God.  He was thought to have made a whole man and woman.

   My wife and I try to work out at an the habitation center at River View Hospital in Noblesville, Indiana, five days a week.  It is a shame to see all of those mental and physical damage children brought in there for rehabilitation.  Limbs twisted, mouths open slobbering, head twisted up, legs in braces and in wheel chairs.  Making animalistic sounds.   And you say there is a loving God.  Farmers take better care of their animals than your God takes care of his people.  If he does exist he should be fired for not doing a good job.

  So the main question is, have you every seen a miracle preformed by God that can be proven scientifically?  If you haven't, why?

[JANADELE]

    First you must understand why we are here and who we are.   Mankind has brought upon themselves all the calamities that have befallen the mortal race.   Break the Eternal Laws of God and take the consequences, both here and in the eternities... that is the law, and even the Gods heed the eternal laws of the Universe, and work within them.

We are children of our Heavenly Father, here on trial for a brief moment of eternity, to determine our worthiness or otherwise, and where we are worthy to dwell once our trial is completed. 

[The Troll]

  What you just said, is BS and you know it.  There is no way man can know what you God thinks,  because he doesn't exist.  All you know is what "Holy Men" wrote down 400 years after Jesus supposedly died, which he didn't according to your Bible.  Which as been rewrote and rewritten and rewritten and rewritten differently over and over and over until to day.  There are over 100 different Bibles in this world.  Which is correct?

  You still haven't answered my question.  Have you ever seen any body part reproduced by God in a miracle?  Why all of the cripples, damaged and mentally damaged children?  For they did not harm anyone.

  Now can "You" believe in something you can't see or feel physically.  Plus believes that he watches every person, every minute, of every day, of every year as long as we live,  of the 6 billion people on this earth writting down every sin "He" thinks we did and will burn us in Hell for anyone of them, because "He" loves us. 

[JANADELE]

What you choose to believe is up to you, one of these moments you will pass on and realise then the enormity of the eternal consequenses of those choices.

[The Troll]

What you choose to believe is up to you, one of these moments you will pass on and realise then the enormity of the eternal consequenses of those choices.

  Oh, my Mom was a great Christian Lady.  I use to believe like you.  Believe in all of the magic, the Holy Water and the Holy Smoke.   How much more religious and smart the Preacher was than the rest of the church and found that he also had feet of clay.   Just another human with a different job.

  But one day I sat down with myself and thought about of all this silly stuff and started reading other books about the possibility of there not a being, a God and the reasons why.  It makes more sense that what I was believing.

  There is going to be no enormity of the eternal consequences of my choices.  But at least you won't know your were wrong and all of the time and energy and doing with out and worrying that "He" might see you sin a sin you didn't know was a sin was for nothing.

  You will pass on like me and billions before us and become part of the Universe from whence we were we're formed and came from.  From Star Dust to Star Dust.  The End.

[JANADELE]

It would be difficult to be further from the truth.

[The Troll]

It would be difficult to be further from the truth.

  Just keep living in La-La-Land.  If you happy just keep doing what you doing.  But I think your wasting all of you time on trying to brain wash the Unknown Zone with your LDS stuff.

  But that what you people do, travel all over the world, try to suck people into you Cult.