The Spill, The Scandal and the President...

[LOsborne]

nice try.....just becasue you said do you want me to continue, does not mean you was going to own up to it....

Well, Henry, you never did "own up" to it. Sandy had to post your source.

You didn't answer the question "did you bother to fact check it" either. Because I did. And most of it is bullshit.

Your constant whine about the POTUS being "not a leader" is absurd. He isn't a wizard. BP got the deep water permit from George Bush, whose administration was supposed to have examined the emergency and contingency plans. He isn't a little Dutch boy, either, who can stick his finger in the leak and make it stop.

BP has been calling the shots on the efforts to end the leak, because they are the only ones who know what is really going on at the bottom of the sea. They will probably lose control of the project soon, because they haven't produced any real results. But deep water experts aren't just hanging around waiting to jump in with THE ANSWER. You're acting like a spoiled third-grader who is secretly delighted to see the popular boy blamed for a mess he didn't make.

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[Henry Hawk]

Well, Henry, you never did "own up" to it. Sandy had to post your source.

You didn't answer the question "did you bother to fact check it" either. Because I did. And most of it is bullshit.

Your constant whine about the POTUS being "not a leader" is absurd. He isn't a wizard. BP got the deep water permit from George Bush, whose administration was supposed to have examined the emergency and contingency plans. He isn't a little Dutch boy, either, who can stick his finger in the leak and make it stop.

BP has been calling the shots on the efforts to end the leak, because they are the only ones who know what is really going on at the bottom of the sea. They will probably lose control of the project soon, because they haven't produced any real results. But deep water experts aren't just hanging around waiting to jump in with THE ANSWER. You're acting like a spoiled third-grader who is secretly delighted to see the popular boy blamed for a mess he didn't make.

there is nothing to fact check, it is an opinion piece by Dick Morris.....and I didn't attach a name because a certain indvidual will NOT even read it IF they see this name attached, but I did Italicize it, as I always do when I copy and paste a story.....hell, even I know I cannot write something that well composed....I just happen to agree with everythng Morris said, and thought it would be good for debate on here, but like normal, everything but the topic of discussion was ranted about.

and I am not being absurd about KNOWING that this man being a qualified leader...he is not.  He may be a great guy, and good lawyer and legislater, but I am not impressed with his leadership....period.  I have never thought he was qualified from the beginning...It has nothing to do with his race or his party affiliation. It has EVERYTHING to do with his ideology and his demeanor and his style of leading.  I had no problem with Bill Clinton as a leader.  I did not like his politics, but he was a very good leader.

[The Troll]

there is nothing to fact check, it is an opinion piece by Dick Morris.....and I didn't attach a name because a certain indvidual will NOT even read it IF they see this name attached, but I did Italicize it, as I always do when I copy and paste a story.....hell, even I know I cannot write something that well composed....I just happen to agree with everythng Morris said, and thought it would be good for debate on here, but like normal, everything but the topic of discussion was ranted about.

and I am not being absurd about KNOWING that this man being a qualified leader...he is not.  He may be a great guy, and good lawyer and legislater, but I am not impressed with his leadership....period.  I have never thought he was qualified from the beginning...It has nothing to do with his race or his party affiliation. It has EVERYTHING to do with his ideology and his demeanor and his style of leading.  I had no problem with Bill Clinton as a leader.  I did not like his politics, but he was a very good leader.

  Dick Morris a pile of dog shit.   You would think Clinton was a good leader, he was the best Republican President you ever had.  He got passed, old Bush 42's NAFTA, then you guys had enough balls to empeach him, which failed.  You guys walking in "Goose Step" fail again.  Goose Stepping, walking in lock step and saying No, No, No, No, and No.  What a G-grand O-old P-party, the party of no.  The party of no guts.

  What you got against Obama in in you own mind.  You have believed all of the bullshit your Republican leaders have crammed into that little little brain.  Really I think there's a little thing about his tan.  Hummmmm.

[Henry Hawk]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/06/15/msnbc_trashes_obamas_address_compared_to_carter_i_dont_sense_executive_command.html

MSNBC Trashes Obama's Address: Compared To Carter, "I Don't Sense Executive Command"

THIS is what I am talking about, even Chris Matthews, who adores this POTUS, says "I don't sense executive command."

Keith Olbermann said..."It was a great speech if you were on another planet for the last 57 days."

I think this POTUS is used to giving "speeches"....but has NO sense of leadership.  what more can I say.

[me]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/06/15/msnbc_trashes_obamas_address_compared_to_carter_i_dont_sense_executive_command.html

MSNBC Trashes Obama's Address: Compared To Carter, "I Don't Sense Executive Command"

THIS is what I am talking about, even Chris Matthews, who adores this POTUS, says "I don't sense executive command."

Keith Olbermann said..."It was a great speech if you were on another planet for the last 57 days."

I think this POTUS is used to giving "speeches"....but has NO sense of leadership.  what more can I say.

They'd better be careful or they'll be on the *S* list with Fox.   

[Sandy Eggo]

Neither Henry or me has given him a chance to lead from the beginning. They were trash talking almost before anyone knew who he was. The crap gets old, seriously. He couldn't do anything right. They'll both always find fault. There's no debating this or any other issue involving Obama with those two.

As for your opinion piece, Henry. Everyone is entitled to one, but not every opinion is valid. An opinion is only as good as the facts that back it up. The opinion of Dick Morris failed against the fact test. It might make you feel warm and fuzzy and all tingly inside, but other than that, it's garbage.

Whew! I feel SO much better

[Henry Hawk]

Neither Henry or me has given him a chance to lead from the beginning. They were trash talking almost before anyone knew who he was. The crap gets old, seriously. He couldn't do anything right. They'll both always find fault. There's no debating this or any other issue involving Obama with those two.

As for your opinion piece, Henry. Everyone is entitled to one, but not every opinion is valid. An opinion is only as good as the facts that back it up. The opinion of Dick Morris failed against the fact test. It might make you feel warm and fuzzy and all tingly inside, but other than that, it's garbage.

Whew! I feel SO much better

and I must follow up, so that I will feel much better,

I am sick to death, that folks like you keep saying "you never gave him a chance".....what chance did I owe him?....he, from the days of his campaign, spoke of liberal idea's.....idea's I believe are wrong for this country...he blew his chance when he spoke of redistributing the wealth ie, Joe the plumber....when he said people making less than $250,000 will not see any form of tax increase...I knew that was a lie he couldn't keep, and he proved that a lie very quickly....  How long of time of folks like me do you consider "enough" time?
I never, from the first time I saw him, believed he was a person who had the qualification to be our president, based upon his history....I was NOT talking trash, I was talking my opinion of him....

please tell me what fact test did Dick Morris fail...?    patronize me and show me....everything he said was his opinions based upon facts....and there was no garbage involved other than you didn't like what he said...

and for the record to all:.......I do not like Barak Obama as our POTUS...and have not since the beginning....now, if he begins to lead, and do some of the things that I hoped he would based upon his campaign promises....such as running a transpartent goverment:
Not negotiating behind closed doors and bring both sides together....but he lied.
have negotiations on cspan.........but he didn't...a lie.
post all bills on line for five days before a vote.....didn't do it.

just a couple of things that I thought would have been great, but he lied.

so I'm not talking trash, and if it is getting old because I'm not jumping up and down for this POTUS...that is just the way it is....he needs to do something to impress me.....something, anything.....then we will talk.

[Sandy Eggo]

I'm on my phone and can't post links, but if you had bothered to fact check his opinion then you would have seen that he's twisting in the wind. You fact check nothing and post any and every biased piece of junk you can find.

You don't discuss. A discussion is when people are willing to exchange ideas. You just want to shove propaganda down people's throats and act incredulous when someone easily calls you on it. Exchanging ideas, doesn't seem to cross your mind.

I don't care one way or the other if you like him. I care even less if you gave him a chance. But don't pretend you want to discuss anything b/c that"s the farthest thing from your mind.

[Henry Hawk]

I'm on my phone and can't post links, but if you had bothered to fact check his opinion then you would have seen that he's twisting in the wind. You fact check nothing and post any and every biased piece of junk you can find.

You don't discuss. A discussion is when people are willing to exchange ideas. You just want to shove propaganda down people's throats and act incredulous when someone easily calls you on it. Exchanging ideas, doesn't seem to cross your mind.

I don't care one way or the other if you like him. I care even less if you gave him a chance. But don't pretend you want to discuss anything b/c that"s the farthest thing from your mind.

will you get over yourself.....I'm not shoving NO propaganda down ANYONES throat.....read it, don't read it.....I posted it for one reason and one reason only....I liked what he had to say......if you don't want to discuss it with me, then don't discuss it with me.....it is THAT simple........I didn't act incredulous, I only responeded when it was stated I plagerized something which I didn't and YOU guys know that I didn't....and as far as fact checking....there is nothing to fact check......it is all one man's opinion.

[Sandy Eggo]

If you'd ever shown the slighest interest in discussing an issue rather than plastering threads w/your right wing propaganda, I might be willing to give you a break, but as it stands all I see is babbling

[Henry Hawk]

If you'd ever shown the slighest interest in discussing an issue rather than plastering threads w/your right wing propaganda, I might be willing to give you a break, but as it stands all I see is babbling

ditto!!!..

[Henry Hawk]

bump....

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/06/15/msnbc_trashes_obamas_address_compared_to_carter_i_dont_sense_executive_command.html

MSNBC Trashes Obama's Address: Compared To Carter, "I Don't Sense Executive Command"

THIS is what I am talking about, even Chris Matthews, who adores this POTUS, says "I don't sense executive command."

Keith Olbermann said..."It was a great speech if you were on another planet for the last 57 days."

I think this POTUS is used to giving "speeches"....but has NO sense of leadership.  what more can I say.

[The Troll]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/06/15/msnbc_trashes_obamas_address_compared_to_carter_i_dont_sense_executive_command.html

MSNBC Trashes Obama's Address: Compared To Carter, "I Don't Sense Executive Command"

THIS is what I am talking about, even Chris Matthews, who adores this POTUS, says "I don't sense executive command."

Keith Olbermann said..."It was a great speech if you were on another planet for the last 57 days."

I think this POTUS is used to giving "speeches"....but has NO sense of leadership.  what more can I say.

  He said all that he can say.  There is nothing he can do about this mess.  He called in all of the experts on what to do.  The verdict is out.  You surely seen all of the lying the oil company BP did, on how they were equipped on cleaning up a spill.  They didn't have shit.

   Henry, I have asked you before.  What should he do.  Your an engineer train how to think deep on things like this.  I know you don't know, because nobody knows how to stop the flow.

[Anne]

I don't think there is much he can do, but he says he can and then doesn't. He says he "made" BP establish a slush fund for paying for the cleanup and people who lost money because of the spill. We all know he didn't "make" them do anything, he asked and they agreed but he took credit of "making" them do it. So I guess imo he would be better off to quit making those disruptive trips to the gulf and llet the people who know what to do get on with their jobs.