"Topkill" - Will it Turn into Bottomkill?

[Henry Hawk]

No, bottom - kill is in full swing. . . But you seem to think the POTUS can stop it. . .

I know he can't stop it, he already proved that!!....he can yell "stop the damn leak!!"....but THAT didn't work...so, he went back to playin golf...and hangin with McCartney.....

[Palehorse]

I know he can't stop it, he already proved that!!....he can yell "stop the damn leak!!"....but THAT didn't work...so, he went back to playin golf...and hangin with McCartney.....

So, it is your opinion that the POTUS has nothing else on his plate, just the oil spill huh?

[Palehorse]

. . . "AC360°," five survivors of the rig tell Anderson Cooper about the days leading up to the explosion. Watch "AC360°" at 10 ET Tuesday night, live from the Gulf.
(CNN) -- The morning the Deepwater Horizon oil rig exploded, a BP executive and a Transocean official argued over how to proceed with the drilling, rig survivors told CNN's Anderson Cooper in an exclusive interview.
The survivors' account paints perhaps the most detailed picture yet of what happened on the deepwater rig -- and the possible causes of the April 20 explosion.
The BP official wanted workers to replace heavy mud, used to keep the well's pressure down, with lighter seawater to help speed a process that was costing an estimated $750,000 a day and was already running five weeks late, rig survivors told CNN.
BP won the argument, said Doug Brown, the rig's chief mechanic. "He basically said, 'Well, this is how it's gonna be.' "
"That's what the big argument was about," added Daniel Barron III.
Shortly after the exchange, chief driller Dewey Revette expressed concern and opposition too, the workers said, and on the drilling floor, they chatted among themselves.
"I don't ever remember doing this," they said, according to Barron.
"I think that's why Dewey was so reluctant to try to do it," Barron said, "because he didn't feel it was the right way to have things done."
Tracking the spill
Video: Survivors of oil rig explosion speak Video: Oil spill from year 1910 still visible Video: Florida's wildlife in danger
Revette was among the 11 workers killed when the rig exploded that night.
In the CNN interviews, the workers described a corporate culture of cutting staff and ignoring warning signs ahead of the blast. They said BP routinely cut corners and pushed ahead despite concerns about safety.
The rig survivors also said it was always understood that you could get fired if you raised safety concerns that might delay drilling. Some co-workers had been fired for speaking out, they said.. . .

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/06/08/oil.rig.warning.signs/index.html?hpt=T2

[The Troll]

I STILL do!!!.....but, that does not mean I think it SUCKS that BP AND our Government did NOT have a 'Plan' IF and WHEN such an event happens...it is not all BP's fault...there is plenty of blame to go around......they have said from the begginning that they would pay for ALL damages.....and it wasn't even two weeks and the left was ready to take them to court.....HELL, let them have a chance to prove themselves....they HAVE been kind of busy...at least they are not partying with Paul McCartney and playing golf every day...

  IT IS NOT ALL BP'S FAULT.  Pardon me for a second.  OK Troll, count 1 2 3 4 are you OK---- what it HELL do you mean it's not BP's fault.  It was their idea, they supervised the drill, they hired the contractors to do the job and it was their rush to get the well completed, that caused the GOD DAMN SPILL!

  What kind of an asshole would complain about the President having Paul McCartney to the White House and Obama playing golf playing golf everyday, now that's absolutely bullshit.

   After George W. spent more time of vacation,  most of in Texas, than any president in the history of the United states of America, you dare to say anything about Obama.

  Henry, I really doubt your mental capability.  You definitely have a loose wire and some dead shorts and some blown fuses.

[Palehorse]

And to top all of this off, reports are surfacing of a second well leaking, and it has been since April 30th! 

Analysis of three oil plumes (sub surface) discovered and confirmed that at least one of them is from a second oil well! 

[Henry Hawk]

why didn't our government (and that means republican AND democrats)....have a plan, for such an event?....

THAT is what I mean by it is not ALL BP's fault....

the bottom line is, a horrible, horrible accident has occurred, and I'm not saying it's Obama's fault PH!!, but THIS was a time for leadership, and he has failed....at least that is what MOST Americans beleive, that he has done worse than Bush did with Katrina, and we all know what YOU guys thought about that...

I think Obama needs to quit worrying about who's ass to kick and get the proper help out there to stop and fix this problem.....it is quite obvious that BP is struggling with this...finding out WHO's fault this is, is NOT going to fix things.....we need to fix it, despite who's fault it is...........get the freaking Navy out there building sand bars, do anything to assure that our government is trying it's absolute best to resolve this crisis...Obama has failed on his one and only attempt to lead over this situation....period.
that is what happens when you elect a one term senator who's only experience was a community organizer.....

I think it is YOU who has a loose wire and some dead shorts....cuz YOU think this guy is the annoited one JUST because he is a democrat....

let's get real now folks.....the fun and games is over and we need some REAL leaders back in washington....I don't think they can get MORE screwed up than things are right now!!!.

g'nite....

[Palehorse]

He has not failed in this American's view. . .

[The Troll]

why didn't our government (and that means republican AND democrats)....have a plan, for such an event?....

THAT is what I mean by it is not ALL BP's fault....

the bottom line is, a horrible, horrible accident has occurred, and I'm not saying it's Obama's fault PH!!, but THIS was a time for leadership, and he has failed....at least that is what MOST Americans beleive, that he has done worse than Bush did with Katrina, and we all know what YOU guys thought about that...

I think Obama needs to quit worrying about who's ass to kick and get the proper help out there to stop and fix this problem.....it is quite obvious that BP is struggling with this...finding out WHO's fault this is, is NOT going to fix things.....we need to fix it, despite who's fault it is...........get the freaking Navy out there building sand bars, do anything to assure that our government is trying it's absolute best to resolve this crisis...Obama has failed on his one and only attempt to lead over this situation....period.
that is what happens when you elect a one term senator who's only experience was a community organizer.....

I think it is YOU who has a loose wire and some dead shorts....cuz YOU think this guy is the annoited one JUST because he is a democrat....

let's get real now folks.....the fun and games is over and we need some REAL leaders back in washington....I don't think they can get MORE screwed up than things are right now!!!.

g'nite....

  Let's see Obama is a failed leader and you want the Republicans brought back because they are good and excellent leaders.

   Let's see, George W. and Prick Chaney and the top the Republican Party were such wonderful leaders.  Two wars, lasting over 6 years costing the USA over a trillion dollars.  The collapse of the banks and stockmarket.  Committing war crimes, and crimes against our own Constitution with taps on telephones and cell phones and snooping into things that were protected by our Constitution and elimination regulations which corrupted the entire country.

 


  And Henry you call that leadership.  Henry I call that            

[me]

  Let's see Obama is a failed leader and you want the Republicans brought back because they are good and excellent leaders.

   Let's see, George W. and Prick Chaney and the top the Republican Party were such wonderful leaders.  Two wars, lasting over 6 years costing the USA over a trillion dollars.  The collapse of the banks and stockmarket.  Committing war crimes, and crimes against our own Constitution with taps on telephones and cell phones and snooping into things that were protected by our Constitution and elimination regulations which corrupted the entire country.

 


  And Henry you call that leadership.  Henry I call that            

Like I've said before Troll, don't look now but Obama is still using the wire and cell phone tapping and has taken it to a new level, Facebook and other social networking sites.  He has decided that it wasn't against the constitution at all.....Imagine that....

[Palehorse]

Like I've said before Troll, don't look now but Obama is still using the wire and cell phone tapping and has taken it to a new level, Facebook and other social networking sites.  He has decided that it wasn't against the constitution at all.....Imagine that....

In a federal lawsuit, the Obama legal team argued that judges lack the authority to enforce their own rulings in classified matters of national security. The standoff concerned the Oregon chapter of the Al-Haramain Islamic Foundation, a Saudi Arabian charity that was shut down in 2004 on evidence that it was financing al Qaeda. Al-Haramain sued the Bush Administration in 2005, claiming it had been illegally wiretapped.

At the heart of Al-Haramain's case was a classified document that it says proves that the alleged eavesdropping was not authorized under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. That record was inadvertently disclosed after Al-Haramain was designated as a terrorist organization; the Bush Administration declared such documents state secrets after their existence became known.

In July 2009, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the President's right to do so, which should have ended the matter. But the San Francisco panel also returned the case to the presiding district court judge, Vaughn Walker, ordering him to decide if FISA pre-empts the state secrets privilege. If he did, Al-Haramain would have been allowed to use the document to establish the standing to litigate.

In the end the courts upheld the executive power of the POTUS, especially over matters of state secret(s) during war time. . .

So if that is "endorsement" of the Shrub's policy, or should I say Shotgun Cheney's, along with David Addington, then so be it. And if you want to try to club him over his continuation of such policies, then I submit that you should have exercised that right back when the Shrub first invoked them. . . But that horse has left the barn already hasn't it?!

At the same time, the POTUS's non-supportive position surrounding this initiative pre-election, is only an indication of the level of access to information he obtained post election. I certainly would not want a POTUS sticking to his promises at the cost of national security. . . would you?

[LOsborne]

.... Obama is still using the wire and cell phone tapping ...

Is he? I know he asked for the Al-Haramain illegal wiretap lawsuit against President Bush et al to be dismissed, on the grounds it would reveal "state secrets," but I haven't heard anything about him authorizing new wiretaps. Since he (and Bush) lost that round, I would be very surprised to find any evidence of new wiretaps that didn't have a FISA warrant.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/04/opinion/04sun1.html

I'm not defending Obama here. He promised to reverse the Bush administration's policy of privacy violation, and asking for the lawsuit to be dismissed broke that promise. However, that is NOT THE SAME as continuing to tap the communications and read the mail of US citizens. May I please see your source?

[LOsborne]

In the end the courts upheld the executive power of the POTUS, especially over matters of state secret(s) during war time. . .

They did?

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/01/us/01nsa.html

Was there an appeal I missed?

[Palehorse]

Is he? I know he asked for the Al-Haramain illegal wiretap lawsuit against President Bush et al to be dismissed, on the grounds it would reveal "state secrets," but I haven't heard anything about him authorizing new wiretaps. Since he (and Bush) lost that round, I would be very surprised to find any evidence of new wiretaps that didn't have a FISA warrant.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/04/opinion/04sun1.html

I'm not defending Obama here. He promised to reverse the Bush administration's policy of privacy violation, and asking for the lawsuit to be dismissed broke that promise. However, that is NOT THE SAME as continuing to tap the communications and read the mail of US citizens. May I please see your source?

No, I had not heard of Walker's final ruling. I was speaking only of the previous litigation. . . 

DoJ has a lot of hard choices sitting on their plates given this ruling. . . And it looks like the Shrub will end up with egg on his face. . .

[LOsborne]

No, I had not heard of Walker's final ruling. I was speaking only of the previous litigation. . . 

Then I take it you have not heard of any warrantless wiretaps during the present administration, either? Looks like me needs to pay a bit more attention to her phraseology, then. She said He has decided that it wasn't against the constitution at all. That is evidently not the case at all. The only thing President Obama objected to was revealing the facts learned by that particular illegal wiretap.

[Palehorse]

Then I take it you have not heard of any warrantless wiretaps during the present administration, either? Looks like me needs to pay a bit more attention to her phraseology, then. She said He has decided that it wasn't against the constitution at all. That is evidently not the case at all. The only thing President Obama objected to was revealing the facts learned by that particular illegal wiretap.

Nope, I haven't. But I am certainly not in a position to say one way or another whether they are taking place now or not either. And I am not stupid enough to believe that when it involves matters of national security that they wouldn't take place.

That crap is well above my pay grade!