Republican Party, Teabag Party and the Libertarian Party absolutely SUCK!

[The Troll]

Oh please!

The F-117A is, and always has been, a ground attack aircraft. It's designed to avoid radar, and that very design makes it very unresponsive to controls in comparison to most true fighter aircraft, rendering it a sitting duck in an air to air conflict. The propulsion system uses NO afterburner, since such would render it visible to radar; thus it is incapable of supersonic speed.

The F-117N (A/F-117X) was an updated version created by Lockheed, after the Navy refused to even consider the non-afterburner F-117A. Nobody bought the 117N, even after an additional variant was created in order to fill a land based, multi-use aircraft model need of the US military.

  This kid claims to be real swift (same family as a Night Hawk) but hell don't you think after working on an aircraft carrier, you would know something about air-oooo-planes.   

[Palehorse]

 

Anybody else see the irony in this sudden surge of support for "McUseless" by the conservative bunch?

Same bunch that was touting the "validation" of "enhanced interrogation" that the killing of Bin Laden represented, (in their view). Just a couple of days ago I heard ol' McUseless state that not only was that wrong, but that it was a proven FACT that EI was of ZERO use in obtaining any useful intel!!!!

[Palehorse]

  This kid claims to be real swift (same family as a Night Hawk) but hell don't you think after working on an aircraft carrier, you would know something about air-oooo-planes.   

Yeah. . . one can "claim" anything one likes to, but proving it is a horse of a different color! 

[me]

Anybody else see the irony in this sudden surge of support for "McUseless" by the conservative bunch?

Same bunch that was touting the "validation" of "enhanced interrogation" that the killing of Bin Laden represented, (in their view). Just a couple of days ago I heard ol' McUseless state that not only was that wrong, but that it was a proven FACT that EI was of ZERO use in obtaining any useful intel!!!!

McUseless????  I don't remember anyone mentioning him if you're referring to McCane.

[Palehorse]

McUseless????  I don't remember anyone mentioning him if you're referring to McCane.

Didn't you vote for him and the bimbo last presidential election?

[me]

Didn't you vote for him and the bimbo last presidential election?

He isn't running next time though so what does he have to do with anything now?

[Anne]

  Oh, Anne.  How I remember when I first ran it to you.  You said that you weren't a Republican.  It took awhile for your true colors to come out.  But Sweetie Poo,  Your so Republican.  Just another Sheeple living in a far off land.  You couldn't recognize a poison snake Republican if you ran over one.  Hee, hee, hee.

Where did this comment come from?

[The Troll]

Where did this comment come from?

  The way this party is going, with the Republicans throwing all kind of insults.  Hell, I thought I'd throw this in.  Get her done as Larry the cable guy would say.

[me]

Oh please!

The F-117A is, and always has been, a ground attack aircraft. It's designed to avoid radar, and that very design makes it very unresponsive to controls in comparison to most true fighter aircraft, rendering it a sitting duck in an air to air conflict. The propulsion system uses NO afterburner, since such would render it visible to radar; thus it is incapable of supersonic speed.

The F-117N (A/F-117X) was an updated version created by Lockheed, after the Navy refused to even consider the non-afterburner F-117A. Nobody bought the 117N, even after an additional variant was created in order to fill a land based, multi-use aircraft model need of the US military.

Weren't those built strictly for the Air Force?  I do believe they have several of them.

[The Troll]

Weren't those built strictly for the Air Force?  I do believe they have several of them.

  Yes, Honey Chunk, the A/F F-117 was build for the Air Force.  The N F-117 was an experimental plane for the Navy.  It didn't work out.  For one reason the covering on the plane cannot stand a big amount of water on it's special paint job.

  They are still building it and improving it.  But the project is so secret nothing is being released about it. This is for inquiring minds.  Butter Cup.   

[me]

  Yes, Honey Chunk, the A/F F-117 was build for the Air Force.  The N F-117 was an experimental plane for the Navy.  It didn't work out.  For one reason the covering on the plane cannot stand a big amount of water on it's special paint job.

  They are still building it and improving it.  But the project is so secret nothing is being released about it. This is for inquiring minds.  Butter Cup.   

If it is so secret how is it that you know about it? 

[Nighthawk]

Oh please!

The F-117A is, and always has been, a ground attack aircraft. It's designed to avoid radar, and that very design makes it very unresponsive to controls in comparison to most true fighter aircraft, rendering it a sitting duck in an air to air conflict. The propulsion system uses NO afterburner, since such would render it visible to radar; thus it is incapable of supersonic speed.

The F-117N (A/F-117X) was an updated version created by Lockheed, after the Navy refused to even consider the non-afterburner F-117A. Nobody bought the 117N, even after an additional variant was created in order to fill a land based, multi-use aircraft model need of the US military.

Yes, it was built for the Air Force as a ground attack aircraft. It was built for a specific purpose and it performed that purpose VERY well, especially during the first gulf war. The 'fighter' designation may be a bit of a misnomer but it is a fighter none the less and as such is one of the best fighters we had.

[me]

  Yes, Honey Chunk, the A/F F-117 was build for the Air Force.  The N F-117 was an experimental plane for the Navy.  It didn't work out.  For one reason the covering on the plane cannot stand a big amount of water on it's special paint job.

  They are still building it and improving it.  But the project is so secret nothing is being released about it. This is for inquiring minds.  Butter Cup.   

http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=410

Lockheed F-117A Nighthawk

Posted 6/8/2007 Printable Fact Sheet

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The Lockheed F-117A was developed in response to an Air Force request for an aircraft capable of attacking high value targets without being detected by enemy radar. By the 1970s, new materials and techniques allowed engineers to design an aircraft with radar-evading or "stealth" qualities. The result was the F-117A, the world's first operational stealth aircraft.

The first F-117A flew on June 18, 1981, and the first F-117A unit, the 4450th Tactical Group (renamed the 37th Tactical Fighter Wing in October 1989), achieved initial operating capability in October 1983. The F-117A first saw combat during Operation Just Cause on Dec. 19, 1989, when two F-117As from the 37th TFW attacked military targets in Panama.

The F-117A again went into action during Operation Desert Shield/Storm in 1990-1991 when the 415th and the 416th squadrons of the 37th TFW moved to a base in Saudi Arabia. During Operation Desert Storm, the F-117As flew 1,271 sorties, achieving an 80 percent mission success rate, and suffered no losses or battle damage. A total of 59 F-117As were built between 1981 and 1990. In 1989 the F-117A was awarded the Collier Trophy, one of the most prized aeronautical awards in the world.

The aircraft on display is the second F-117A built and was specially modified for systems testing. The Air Force retired it to the museum in 1991 after its test program was completed. It is marked as it appeared during tests conducted for the Air Force Systems Command between 1981 and 1991.

TECHNICAL NOTES:
Armament: Up to 5,000 lbs. of assorted internal stores
Engines: Two General Electric F404-F1D2 engines of 10,600 lbs. thrust each
Crew: One
Maximum cruise speed: 684 mph
Range: Unlimited with aerial refueling
Ceiling: 45,000 ft.
Span: 43 ft. 4 in.
Length: 65 ft. 11 in.
Height: 12 ft. 5 in.
Weight: 52,500 lbs. maximum

Click here to learn more about the Lockheed F-117.

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[Nighthawk]

  This kid claims to be real swift (same family as a Night Hawk) but hell don't you think after working on an aircraft carrier, you would know something about air-oooo-planes.   

Before claiming that someone is not too 'swift' you should get your facts straight first and make sure you don't come off looking like an idiot.

I NEVER said I worked on an aircraft carrier. If you remember right I said my first ship was the USS Stark. An FFG, FFG-31 to be exact. A guided missile fast frigate.

And you call ME slow??? 

[Nighthawk]

Yeah. . . one can "claim" anything one likes to, but proving it is a horse of a different color! 

What I just said to Troll applies to you too.