Republican Party, Teabag Party and the Libertarian Party absolutely SUCK!

[Nighthawk]

    Ever tho the companies hire over 300,000 men and women this last month.  The out look is so good in the economy that people that have been out of work for the last tow to three years are starting to looking for work.  Which is increasing the unemployment rate.  If your aren't looking for work, you're not on the unemployment list.  This is for you Republicans who want to bring up the unemployment rate. 

Except that re-entrants among the unemployed has remained steady, 2.2%, over the last year so your 'theory' about 'discouraged' workers looking for work again is what increased the unemployment numbers is wrong.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t11.htm

[The Troll]

  Doom    Moan.         Cry.           Chewing off their own leg.   The Republican idea of fixing America.  Where are the jobs John Boner, the Republican Whip.

  Other than that.     

[Nighthawk]

 
  There is an oil glut all over the world do to speculation by the super rich.  The price of oil has dropped over $11 last week. The experts expect a 50 to 60 cents drop in gasoline by summer time.

But lets overlook the fact that those dirty rotten republicans passed a bill last Thursday that mandates the sale of off shore drilling permits in the Gulf of Mexico and off the coast of Virginia resulting in an 8.6% drop in oil prices over night.

If you're gonna spin stuff to make your messiah look good you're going to have to do better. This is at least two fails from you in one post.

[Exterminator]

And here I heard that the decrease was due to declining demand and a stronger than expected U.S. dollar but hey, don't let pesky facts get in the way of your flawed cause/effect premise.

So would it make you feel stupid to learn that much of the oil pumped from those reserves is exported?

[me]

Which part of "it's pointless" is difficult for you to grasp?

None that's why I've quit even trying to bother to discuss it with you since all I get are smart remarks and put downs rather than any kind of sensible dialogue.   

[Exterminator]

Sensible dialogue is not possible with someone like you because you don't believe in honesty or empirical evidence.

[me]

Sensible dialogue is not possible with someone like you because you don't believe in honesty or empirical evidence.

A couple of statements you made in the last two days, one in particular, shows how little you pay attention to whats going on and only echo what you're being programed to say too.  Your statement about my thoughts on the debate and a very good potential candidate being one of them. 

This is the statement I'm referring to just in case you're wondering.

Nice try at deflecting your obvious racial bias.  I read something today that perfectly sums up your ilk's attitude, "I don't think he is some cross-burning, Confederate-flag-waving racist. But I do believe he is a 'Hey, what is that black guy doing here?' racist. He is the type of racist who wants black people 'to stay in their place.'"

[The Troll]

A couple of statements you made in the last two days, one in particular, shows how little you pay attention to whats going on and only echo what you're being programed to say too.  Your statement about my thoughts on the debate and a very good potential candidate being one of them. 

This is the statement I'm referring to just in case you're wondering.

  All of the cryIng   all of the bitching   all of the boo hooing   Is just a smoke screen and mirrors to get the American peoples how poor the Republicans are doing and the worst bunch of assholes for candidates.     

[me]

  All of the cryIng   all of the bitching   all of the boo hooing   Is just a smoke screen and mirrors to get the American peoples how poor the Republicans are doing and the worst bunch of assholes for candidates.     

Just keep right on diggin' that hole Troll and don't bother to check out the candidates. 

[Palehorse]

Let me just quote something a very high level republican once said during a very public speech:

"Politics is the second oldest profession in the world. . . And it bears an inordinate amount of similarities with the first!"

That's the last thing a republican ever said that I totally can agree with!

[The Troll]

  The UAW, the United Automobile Workers are helping the Mexican workers form a union at the 16 year old Honda Plant in Mexico.

   One of the many reason and the main one of forming a union is the $15.60 per day, $1.95 per hour.  Even for Mexico this is poor pay for auto workers.

  But here on the zone we have three people, "ME", Henry Hawk and Nighthawk who don't think people deserve a union.  NightSquawk thinks unions should be made illegal through federal law.

  Oh how I would love to chain their ass to assembly line down there and make them work for $1.95 an hour.  that's what they would do. 

[Nighthawk]

  The UAW, the United Automobile Workers are helping the Mexican workers form a union at the 16 year old Honda Plant in Mexico.

   One of the many reason and the main one of forming a union is the $15.60 per day, $1.95 per hour.  Even for Mexico this is poor pay for auto workers.

  But here on the zone we have three people, "ME", Henry Hawk and Nighthawk who don't think people deserve a union.  NightSquawk thinks unions should be made illegal through federal law.

  Oh how I would love to chain their ass to assembly line down there and make them work for $1.95 an hour.  that's what they would do. 

Advocating slavery now are we??

I have said and still say that unions had their place, years ago. Now they just have too much power and are destroying the US's ability to compete in the world market place. They demand unsustainable wages and benefits so the companies close up and move.

In Mexico at this point in time may have a place improving conditions and wages in Mexico but eventually they will do the same there that they did here and the companies will cut and run faster than a democrat from Wisconsin or Indiana.

[Palehorse]

. . .
I have said and still say that unions had their place, years ago. Now they just have too much power and are destroying the US's ability to compete in the world market place. They demand unsustainable wages and benefits so the companies close up and move.

. . .

And again, your statement places blame squarely upon members of the bargaining unit; improperly.

The term "collective bargaining agreement" infers that a "good faith negotiation" takes place prior to the achievement of it. On BOTH sides of said agreement. That means a given business unit entering into an agreement has a basic responsibility to make their case for a counter offer surrounding said negotiations; especially if in their view the proposed articles represent "unsustainable wages and benefits". Indeed,  this failure represents a egregious failure to meet the standard surrounding "good faith" on behalf of the company and the membership of the bargaining unit itself.

The reality of the historical failures that you are interpreting as validation for your stated position, is that they factually document leadership's failure to meet their responsibilities by caving in to unacceptable long term benefits in exchange for short term and questionable gains that validated leadership's "management by objectives" bonus program. THIS is partially responsible for what you see as unreasonable demands.

The other half of the root cause for the "companies close up and move" enablement, is the failure of governmental leadership and legislation to enact and enforce policies designed to nurture business as opposed to opening the dam to flight as a means toward addressing the previous failures to bargain in good faith by leadership. (General Motors is a "gold standard" example of this entire process and its long term negative impact to profitability.)

Moreover, your statement demonstrates a clearly insufficient knowledge base with which to arrive at an educated result surrounding root cause investigation, corrective/preventative action(s), and FEMA of the corporate business world operations in general. Any collegiate level student of business operations and law can clearly see how the collective bargaining process has broken down in this country, and why.

And it all started with JFK and the policies of his administration that opened the borders to textile importation, and enabled the mass flight from U.S. shores of that industry which continues to this day. From that event forward every single WH administration has facilitated the continuation and spread of that policy to every single sector of manufacturing  in the U.S.

So, don't go laying it all on the unions, and coloring them as the big bad wolf in this nightmare. Did they play a role? Sure they did. But then from their position if they can be paid 5 bucks an hour instead of 1 buck, and get agreement to it from management negotiators via a concession that achieves an increase in production or capacity by giving back 5 minutes off each break period. Why not!? From their perspective they can only get what the process allows, and had due diligence been exercised by management, it would not have been allowed to get to unacceptable levels.

Lastly, I'd love to hear your validation of your whole anti-union position when it comes to employment within an "at will" state like Indiana! If a union doesn't represent the employees via a collective bargaining agreement, then those employees are pretty much SOL if the company decides they don't like the after shave you wear, or the stench of your breath, or any other nefarious reason, and they fire your ass. They don't HAVE to provide a reason, and the only employees that get any measure of protection at the federal level, are those who happen to be members of a protected class. . .

[The Troll]

  Nice post Palehorse, but I think it is like casting pearls before swine.

  But then again Squawk, I suppose you think that the world corporations and the super rich haven't got too powerful will not rule the world.   
   

[The Troll]

                                    Party Time at Fox News    

  Fox News have brought out of hiding the winners and the killers of Osama Bin Laden.  George W. Bush and all of his killing team.  Saying how the Great Republican team set of the demise of Bin Laden.  Through torture, water boarding and secret method of getting the truth out of these al-Qaeda terrorist.  Only the Republicans, George W. Bush and with a little help of the Seals could this been accomplished the great and tremendous feat.

  All of Obama's success was due to George W. and Dick Cheney's brainy work.  The "The Desider" does it again.  Even after two years in retirement.        for George W. Bush. 

  If anyone believes this they can