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It is a battle flag and was not racist until the left said it was. The civil war was not about slavery. How can you all be so blind about what's really going on?
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Palehorse

Quote from: me on August 19, 2017, 03:56:35 PM
It is a battle flag and was not racist until the left said it was. The civil war was not about slavery. How can you all be so blind about what's really going on?

President Abraham Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation on January 1, 1863, as the nation approached its third year of bloody civil war. The proclamation declared "that all persons held as slaves" within the rebellious states "are, and henceforward shall be free." From that point forward slavery became a key component of the conflict.

So yes, it was about slavery. It may not have officially been an aspect of the conflict at the onset, but the "slavery question" certainly was a motivator. Enough to drive certain states to declare succession from the nation, and then band themselves under the banner in question here.

It was a battle flag then and a battle flag today; and in both slavery is the cornerstone .
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Locutus

Quote from: me on August 19, 2017, 03:56:35 PM
It is a battle flag and was not racist until the left said it was. The civil war was not about slavery. How can you all be so blind about what's really going on?

What was the Civil War about?
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me

Quote from: Locutus on August 19, 2017, 08:24:04 PM
What was the Civil War about?
The south wanted to secede from the north.
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Palehorse

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Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

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Palehorse

Quote from: me on August 20, 2017, 01:41:34 PM
To make this simple it was all over money

Nope. . . Try again.
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me

Quote from: Palehorse on August 20, 2017, 02:00:40 PM
Nope. . . Try again.
The north wanted the south's money but they wanted to secede and not share. Like I said, long story shortened.
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The Troll

Quote from: me on August 20, 2017, 03:34:01 PM
The north wanted the south's money but they wanted to secede and not share. Like I said, long story shortened.


The plain and simple truth, the South wanted to enslave a group of God's people to enrich themselves with their sweat and toil with enforced slavery.  Which, in the eyes of any moral person, is wrong.  :zoners:

me

Quote from: The Troll on August 20, 2017, 04:59:19 PM

The plain and simple truth, the South wanted to enslave a group of God's people to enrich themselves with their sweat and toil with enforced slavery.  Which, in the eyes of any moral person, is wrong.  :zoners:
Wrong as usual buzzard breath.
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Palehorse

Quote from: me on August 20, 2017, 03:34:01 PM
The north wanted the south's money but they wanted to secede and not share. Like I said, long story shortened.

Sorry. Wrong again. . .

In fact, the opposite was true. You forgot your history lessons haven't you?

What was left rotting on the docks in the south once the union placed the naval blockades?

(Here's a hint: It's why they held all those slaves).

And Troll is a lot closer to the facts than you are.
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May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

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me

Quote from: Palehorse on August 20, 2017, 05:25:23 PM
Sorry. Wrong again. . .

In fact, the opposite was true. You forgot your history lessons haven't you?

What was left rotting on the docks in the south once the union placed the naval blockades?

(Here's a hint: It's why they held all those slaves).

And Troll is a lot closer to the facts than you are.
The war was NOT started over slavery perriod.
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Locutus

Quote from: me on August 20, 2017, 03:34:01 PM
The north wanted the south's money but they wanted to secede and not share. Like I said, long story shortened.

Wow!

You're simply unbelievable sometimes.
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Palehorse

Quote from: me on August 20, 2017, 05:27:53 PM
The war was NOT started over slavery perriod.

This post is based upon historical facts, that just a smidgin of research will validate; should you be inclined to do so.

The 1800's were a period of growth for this nation, with the north embracing industrialization and finding it to be greatly rewarding to the people of this nation and the world. So much so that as each decade passed, northern states found no more use for the enslaved peoples they had also been keeping, and began freeing them.

By the 1850's this country's political landscape was embroiled within a controversy surrounding the slavery question. 

The south had resisted industrialization and had continued to embrace the plantation lifestyle that fed and clothed them; but also required the keeping of slaves in order to increase the output to build personal wealth. This put them into direct conflict with the north, that increasingly had been freeing its slaves and in some cases re-employing them in exchange for wages.

By the time the 1860 Presidential election came around the slavery question was in the forefront of most every voting individual in the nation, and the 3 "pro-union" candidates received 82% of the popular vote.  (Meaning that the majority of the nations voters were against slavery).

Lincoln won the race and during his March 4, 1861 inaugural address he made the following statement as a means to try to appease the rebellious south : Speaking directly to the "Southern States", he reaffirmed, "I have no purpose, directly or indirectly to interfere with the institution of slavery in the United States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so."

Slavery had been outlawed in the north during the late 18th and early 19th centuries, and so the southern states in this nation, that continued to cling to their plantation life-styles and needed slaves to tend their crops, (cotton chief amongst them), felt that with Lincoln's election to the presidency, they were doomed to ruination as they would be forced to free their slaves over the ensuing years.

Taking matters into their own hands those states began secession from the US after the Corwin Amendment and Crittenden Compromise both failed to pass, and on April 12, 1861 Confederate forces fired upon Fort Sumter, officially starting the Civil War.

As the war progressed the south was being squeezed over the fact their economy relied heavily upon the sale of cotton to the north and especially to foreign nations. The Union blockades had been effective at shutting down the exporting of southern cotton, and the foreign support the south had so strongly hoped for never materialized as those nations saw the confederacy as rebellion crazed individuals.

While the south had been exporting 70% of the nations GDP the north had only been exporting 30% at the start of the war; so the confederacy found it's revenue stream effectively cut off and by the end of the war the union was accounting for 98% of US exports, while the south's was barely measurable.  The south had 10% of all manufacturing done in the nation, while the north had 90% at the start of the war. By the end the north would account for 98% of it.

And the same held true for population as well, with the confederacy holding 29% of the population at the start of the war, to the norths 71%. By war end the north would be at 90%, with military numbers seeing the north dominating by nearly 2 to 1.

Also by wars end, there was no question surrounding the legality of slavery anymore. The Emancipation Proclamation effectively settled that, as did the result of the war. Or it should have. . .

So yes. It was about slavery. The southern states that chose to join the confederacy did so chiefly to protect their right to own slaves.They saw it as a state right, which it was not, and a constitutionally protected right, which it was not. And the thirteenth Amendment passed on January 31, 1865 made it official.
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That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

me

Quote from: Palehorse on August 20, 2017, 06:17:08 PM
This post is based upon historical facts, that just a smidgin of research will validate; should you be inclined to do so.

The 1800's were a period of growth for this nation, with the north embracing industrialization and finding it to be greatly rewarding to the people of this nation and the world. So much so that as each decade passed, northern states found no more use for the enslaved peoples they had also been keeping, and began freeing them.

By the 1850's this country's political landscape was embroiled within a controversy surrounding the slavery question. 

The south had resisted industrialization and had continued to embrace the plantation lifestyle that fed and clothed them; but also required the keeping of slaves in order to increase the output to build personal wealth. This put them into direct conflict with the north, that increasingly had been freeing its slaves and in some cases re-employing them in exchange for wages.

By the time the 1860 Presidential election came around the slavery question was in the forefront of most every voting individual in the nation, and the 3 "pro-union" candidates received 82% of the popular vote.  (Meaning that the majority of the nations voters were against slavery).

Lincoln won the race and during his March 4, 1861 inaugural address he made the following statement as a means to try to appease the rebellious south : Speaking directly to the "Southern States", he reaffirmed, "I have no purpose, directly or indirectly to interfere with the institution of slavery in the United States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so."

Slavery had been outlawed in the north during the late 18th and early 19th centuries, and so the southern states in this nation, that continued to cling to their plantation life-styles and needed slaves to tend their crops, (cotton chief amongst them), felt that with Lincoln's election to the presidency, they were doomed to ruination as they would be forced to free their slaves over the ensuing years.

Taking matters into their own hands those states began succession from the US after  the Corwin Amendment and Crittenden Compromise both failed to pass, and on April 12, 1861 Confederate forces fired upon Fort Sumter, officially starting the Civil War.

As the war progressed the south was being squeezed over the fact their economy relied heavily upon the sale of cotton to the north and especially to foreign nations. The Union blockades had been effective at shutting down the exporting of southern cotton, and the foreign support the south had so strongly hoped for never materialized as those nations saw the confederacy as rebellion crazed individuals.

While the south had been exporting 70% of the nations GDP the north had only been exporting 30% at the start of the war; so the confederacy found it's revenue stream effectively cut off and by the end of the war the union was accounting for 98% of US exports, while the south's was barely measurable.  The south had 10% of all manufacturing done in the nation, while the north had 90% at the start of the war. By the end the north would account for 98% of it.

And the same held true for population as well, with the confederacy holding 29% of the population at the start of the war, to the norths 71%. By war end the north would be at 90%, with military numbers seeing the north dominating by nearly 2 to 1.

Also by wars end, there was no question surrounding the legality of slavery anymore. The Emancipation Proclamation effectively settled that, as did the result of the war. Or it should have. . .

So yes. It was about slavery. The southern states that chose to join the confederacy did so chiefly to protect their right to own slaves.They saw it as a state right, which it was not, and a constitutionally protected right, which it was not. And the thirteenth Amendment passed on January 31, 1865 made it official.
Got that straight off the internet didn't ya?
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