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Congress sucks...

Started by Henry Hawk, April 21, 2009, 12:29:20 PM

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Exterminator

Quote from: me on May 21, 2009, 12:42:42 PM
Now Henry don't bring that stuff up the cover sheets that Rumsfeld sent his briefings in are much more important.   :wink:

I see you also have nothing of value to add to this conversation so instead of saying nothing, you drag another thread that you claim has no merit into this one...nice form!   :rolleyes:
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Exterminator

Quote from: Bo D on May 21, 2009, 12:58:57 PM
Really! The nerve of them! While we're at it, let's repeal all those silly 19th century labor laws, especially those totally unnecessary child labor laws!

A job is good for a toddler!

Hell, yeah and OSHA can suck it!
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Exterminator on May 21, 2009, 12:57:57 PM
You don't nor will you ever have a dog in that fight so don't worry about it.

I may have several dogs in this fight....douche bag!! (just to use one of YOUR fine responses)...I have FIVE fantastic young people that I brought into this world, with BIG dreams.....I don't need some dumbass in washington, trying to instill their stupid ass garbage, into the BRILLIANT entrepreneurs that MADE this country.....I also have a BOSS, who is a BRILLIANT entrepreneur, who has done a nice job, WITHOUT somebody telling him HOW to run HIS  business....

Ex you really are a wonder!!!...

Bo, how many company's out there, who have over a 100 employees, who do NOT already have decent benefits?...THIS is just ANOTHER democrat, trying to sound like a GREAT person, who has NEVER been an entrepreneur, but acts as if they know what they are talking about....I DISPISE this CONGRESS!!!....they SUCK!!! AND SUCK BAD!!! :rant: :rant:
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 21, 2009, 01:11:35 PM
I may have several dogs in this fight....douche bag!! (just to use one of YOUR fine responses)...I have FIVE fantastic young people that I brought into this world, with BIG dreams....

There's a scary thought.

QuoteI don't need some dumbass in washington, trying to instill their stupid ass garbage, into the BRILLIANT entrepreneurs that MADE this country.

We could say the same about this forum.

QuoteI also have a BOSS, who is a BRILLIANT entrepreneur, who has done a nice job, WITHOUT somebody telling him HOW to run HIS  business.

You're right; screw those electrical codes anyway!

Ex you really are a wonder!!!...

QuoteTHIS is just ANOTHER democrat, trying to sound like a GREAT person, who has NEVER been an entrepreneur, but acts as if they know what they are talking about.

Isn't that what you are doing?

Quote...I DISPISE this CONGRESS!!!....they SUCK!!! AND SUCK BAD!!! :rant: :rant:

There's that good Christian value again...hate...if you could spell it.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Bo D

Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 21, 2009, 01:11:35 PM
Bo, how many company's out there, who have over a 100 employees, who do NOT already have decent benefits?...

More than you and I together could count!

My neighbor's nephew's wife's ex-boyfriend works for a company that only gives on day paid vacation after ten years.  :biggrin:

Seriously, though, I have to compete for IT work with local companies who hire H1B people and don't give them ANY benefits, AT ALL!
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

LOsborne

Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 21, 2009, 01:11:35 PM
... how many company's out there, who have over a 100 employees, who do NOT already have decent benefits?
What planet do you live on, Henry? The number of companies offering health insurance is steadily shrinking, and those that do are asking employees to pay more of the premium every year.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008974774_webbenefits02.html

Matching 401(k) funds are vanishing (even if you weren't employed by Enron.)

Wages have been frozen in many industries, and those employers that are giving raises do not give enough to keep up with the cost of living.

Furthermore, the only reason the unemployment rate is hovering around 10% is that many people have accepted part time jobs. Sometimes two part time jobs. But part time jobs offer NO benefits.

me

So let me see, these companies are struggling to stay solvent yet congress wants them to put out more money still.....Can you say company goes out of business because they can't afford the extra costs being cast upon them and everybody loses?  Look what the unions have done for the auto industry.

Trump 2020

LOsborne

Quote from: me on May 21, 2009, 08:04:48 PM
So let me see, these companies are struggling to stay solvent yet congress wants them to put out more money still.....Can you say company goes out of business because they can't afford the extra costs being cast upon them and everybody loses?  Look what the unions have done for the auto industry.
Are you seriously implying that the problems with Enron, AIG and the like were caused because they were struggling to stay solvent?

me

Quote from: LOsborne on May 22, 2009, 07:45:17 AM
Are you seriously implying that the problems with Enron, AIG and the like were caused because they were struggling to stay solvent?
What do they have to do with anything? 
Trump 2020

Henry Hawk

Quote from: LOsborne on May 21, 2009, 07:31:58 PM
What planet do you live on, Henry? The number of companies offering health insurance is steadily shrinking, and those that do are asking employees to pay more of the premium every year.

Actually, I was more referring to vacation time....I realize that health insurance IS shrinking or employees are paying more...But, I know of several jobs, as long as it is FULL time, the ALL offer vacation time, ususally AFTER one-year of service.....and, I most certainly do NOT think THIS is a LAW that should be forced into the small business world...they are struggling as it is, let alone making LAWS to further burden them...people do not HAVE to take every job that comes along, if vacation time is THAT important....if it came down to it and I NEEDED a job, I would NOT turn it down because I may not get a VACATION.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Gryphon

is there a law mandating vacation time?

Bo D

Quote from: Gryphon on May 22, 2009, 09:26:10 AM
is there a law mandating vacation time?

None that I can find. But this is a very interesting piece ....

June 18, 2007
What Vacation Days?
Despite being one of the richest nations, America denies its workers mandated paid vacations and sick days

Nearly one-fourth of American workers have no paid vacation or holidays, according to a recent study from the D.C.-based Center for Economic and Policy Research (CEPR), and nearly half of all private sector workers have no paid sick days. But if Eckart were living in any other industrialized country, she would be legally guaranteed at least two weeks paid vacation and—in 136 countries—from seven to more than 30 paid sick days. The United States is the only rich country that does not mandate paid vacations and paid sick days, and Americans who are afforded such benefits enjoy far less time off than workers in other wealthy nations.

Americans now work more every year, on average, than workers in any other industrialized country (except for a virtual tie with New Zealand). With women working longer hours each year, the average annual work time for a married couple is growing steadily, and family time—including the crucial bonding experience of vacations—has suffered. Full-time workers in much of Europe typically take seven to eight weeks of vacation and holidays each year—that's double the American average for full-time workers. Overall, the average private sector worker in the United States gets about nine paid vacation days and six paid holidays each year. Low-paid, part-time or small-business workers typically get far fewer, sometimes none. The same holds for paid sick leave: 72 percent of the highest-paid quarter of private sector workers get paid sick days compared to only 21 percent of workers in the lowest-paid quarter.

According to Harvard economist Alberto Alesina, Europeans are happier, and have less stress and insecurity, which is good for health and longevity. Studies in the United States, for example, indicate that taking vacations cuts in half the risk of heart attacks for men. Longer, mandated vacations haven't undercut the competitiveness of other rich countries, and there's evidence that they increase labor productivity.

http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/3233/what_vacation_days/
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

me

Obviously published by a union...and I wonder what they have to gain.... :rolleyes:
I realize that not everyone gets paid vacations but for the government to mandate it is wrong.  They are getting into private enterprise and have no business there.
Trump 2020

Bo D

Quote from: me on May 22, 2009, 09:52:39 AM
Obviously published by a union...and I wonder what they have to gain.... :rolleyes:
I realize that not everyone gets paid vacations but for the government to mandate it is wrong.  They are getting into private enterprise and have no business there.

Well, we know it wasn't published by an oil company.

And I repeat ....

Really! The nerve of them! While we're at it, let's repeal all those silly 19th century labor laws, especially those totally unnecessary child labor laws!

A job is good for a toddler!
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Bo D

Quote from: me on May 22, 2009, 09:52:39 AM
Obviously published by a union...

Why not show us which parts of the article are false?
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan