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Exterminator

Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Bo D

Quote from: Bo D on May 26, 2015, 04:39:18 PM
Could this be the fate of your grandchildren? Your children?


Heat wave kills more than 1,100 in India
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/25/asia/india-heatwave-deaths/

Or this?

4 dead after record storms in Texas, Oklahoma; 12 missing in one county
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/25/us/severe-weather/

??????


"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Bo D

Here's another one ....

New Fed Data Shows No Stopping or Slowing of Global Warming

Global warming has not stopped or even slowed in the past 18 years, according to a new federal study that rebuts doubters who've claimed that that heating trends have paused.

Scientists at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration readjusted thousands of weather data points to account for different measuring techniques through the decades. Their calculations show that, since 1998, the rate of warming is about the same as it has been since 1950: about two-tenths of a degree Fahrenheit a decade.

The so-called hiatus has been touted by non-scientists who reject mainstream climate science. Those claims have resonated; two years ago, the United Nation's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change felt the need to explain why the Earth was not heating up as expected, listing such reasons as volcanic eruptions, reduced solar radiation and the oceans absorbing more heat.

"The reality is that there is no hiatus," said Tom Karl, director of the National Centers for Environmental Information in Asheville, North Carolina. He is the lead author of a study published Thursday in the peer-reviewed journal Science
http://www.scientificcomputing.com/news/2015/06/new-fed-data-shows-no-stopping-or-slowing-global-warming?et_cid=4608592&et_rid=54725525&location=top
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Henry Hawk


Nobel Prize-winning scientist says Obama is 'dead wrong' on global warming


In 2008, Dr. Ivar Giaever joined over 70 Nobel Science Laureates in endorsing Barack Obama for president, but seven years later the Nobel Prize winner now stands against the president on global warming.

"I would say that basically global warming is a non-problem," Giaever, who won the Nobel for physics in 1973, told an audience at the Lindau Nobel Laureate meeting earlier this month.
Giaever ridiculed Obama for stating that "no challenge poses a greater threat to future generations than climate change." The physicist called it a "ridiculous statement" and that Obama "gets bad advice" when it comes to global warming.

"I say this to Obama: Excuse me, Mr. President, but you're wrong. Dead wrong," Giaever said.

Giaever was a professor at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute's School of Engineering and School of Science and received the Nobel Prize for physics for his work on quantum tunneling. Giaever said he was "horrified" about the science surrounding global warming when he conducted research on the subject in 2012.

Ironically, just four years earlier he signed a letter with more than 70 other Nobel winners saying the "country urgently needs a visionary leader" and that "Senator Barack Obama is such a leader, and we urge you to join us in supporting him."

But by 2011,  Giaever left the American Physical Society because it officially stated that "the evidence is incontrovertible ... [g]lobal warming is occurring." The Society also pushed for reducing greenhouse gas emissions.

"Global warming really has become a new religion," Giaever said. "Because you cannot discuss it. It's not proper. It is like the Catholic Church."

Giaever argued that there's been no global warming for the last 17 years or so (based on satellite records), weather hasn't gotten more extreme and that global temperature has only slightly risen — and that's based on data being "fiddled" with by scientists, he said.

"When you have a theory and the theory does not agree with the experiment then you have to cut out the theory. You were wrong with the theory," Giaever said.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 08, 2015, 01:20:42 PM
Nobel Prize-winning scientist says Obama is 'dead wrong' on global warming.

Yet another idiot who has no education or background in climate science speaking out on that about which he understands nothing.  Congratulations for being so gullible.

"Listening to Giaever's opinions on climate science is equivalent to giving your dentist a pamphlet on heart surgery and asking him to crack your chest open."

Dr. Giaever's opinions debunked one by one.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Bo D

Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 08, 2015, 01:20:42 PM
Nobel Prize-winning scientist says Obama is 'dead wrong' on global warming

Giaever was a professor at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute's School of Engineering and School of Science and received the Nobel Prize for physics for his work on quantum tunneling.

This is like that list one of you deniers published showing all the scientists against the idea of climate change - a list loaded with dentists and veterinarians.  :rolleyes:

I have a degree in computer science and and I have 30 years experience. The next time you have chest pains, call me.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Exterminator

Quote from: Bo D on July 08, 2015, 01:44:54 PM
I have a degree in computer science and and I have 30 years experience. The next time you have chest pains, call me.

I'm not a gynecologist but I'll take a look!   :biggrin:
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Bo D

Quote from: Exterminator on July 08, 2015, 01:36:53 PM
Yet another idiot who has no education or background in climate science speaking out on that about which he understands nothing.  Congratulations for being so gullible.

"Listening to Giaever's opinions on climate science is equivalent to giving your dentist a pamphlet on heart surgery and asking him to crack your chest open."

Dr. Giaever's opinions debunked one by one.

WOW!

"As he admits in his own words, Nobel Prize winning physicist Ivar Giaever fits this mould perfectly:

    "I am not really terribly interested in global warming.  Like most physicists I don't think much about it.  But in 2008 I was in a panel here about global warming and I had to learn something about it.  And I spent a day or so - half a day maybe on Google, and I was horrified by what I learned.  And I'm going to try to explain to you why that was the case."
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Henry Hawk

HEY!  All I am saying is, that a Nobel Prize SCIENTIST.....has his opinion on this subject.  I think it is interesting.

You guys ping....and I gotta pong!   :yes:
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

libby

Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 08, 2015, 02:22:35 PM
HEY!  All I am saying is, that a Nobel Prize SCIENTIST.....has his opinion on this subject.  I think it is interesting.

You guys ping....and I gotta pong!   :yes:
Just keep in mind that the work Giaever shared a Nobel prize for was in quantum physics (sub-atomic level).  :science:
All of life is a process of testing and initiation, always preparing for a higher level of consciousness -- and illumination. -- John Horn

Henry Hawk

Quote from: libby on July 08, 2015, 02:51:32 PM
Just keep in mind that the work Giaever shared a Nobel prize for was in quantum physics (sub-atomic level).  :science:

But regardless, he has a very scientific mind....he understands how science works....he understands theories.  I'm not saying that HE IS RIGHT about this....but, there is something to the logic he shared about GW becoming a religion....

IT IS a POLITICAL issue....that is a fact.

So, the political ramifications, imo...has turned this into a circus.  The old saying "follow the money".......it think that is relevant in this case...because it is very much about the money.  The UN set the panel up....we know for a fact that the UN is crooked.......and it is about power and money...first and foremost.

So, THAT is what drive the skepticism for me.

That along with the fact that Climate Change is going to happen with or with out man.......one way or the other.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 08, 2015, 03:01:25 PM
...because it is very much about the money.

Oh, it's about money alright but not the way you mean it.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Exterminator on July 08, 2015, 03:10:55 PM
Oh, it's about money alright but not the way you mean it.

Okay...how so then....I think I mean it, exactly how I meant to mean it.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

It's about trying to downplay the significance of the problem so the polluters can keep on polluting...that's where the real money is and it dwarfs the funds available to the scientific community.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Bo D

Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 08, 2015, 03:01:25 PM
But regardless, he has a very scientific mind....he understands how science works....he understands theories. 

He is no more qualified than I am in Climatology. His OPINION carries no more weight than mine. In fact, it carries LESS than mine because he is pretending to be an expert outside his field of training.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan