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The following is from The Washington Post. I'm posting it without more than this short comment because I know nothing about Facebook other than just about everybody I know (and don't know) seems to belong. I do not. Won't go into why not because this article is long enough without my opinion. 

"Facebook's Zuckerberg long resisted going to Congress. Now he'll face a 'reckoning,' lawmakers say

by Tony Romm 
April 6 Email the author

What you need to know about the Cambridge Analytica-Facebook controversy

Cambridge Analytica, a firm that ran data operations for President Trump's 2016 campaign, was banned from Facebook on March 16. Here's what you need to know. (Elyse Samuels, Patrick Martin/The Washington Post)

When Mark Zuckerberg testifies before Congress next week, the Facebook chief executive will face off with lawmakers who have long been itching to confront him — on everything from a privacy mishap involving 87 million users to a litany of issues that have dogged the company for years.

"I think we're at a moment of reckoning. It's really high noon for Facebook and the tech industry," Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), one of the lawmakers who is set to grill Zuckerberg, said in an interview.

Zuckerberg's scheduled appearance at two congressional hearings beginning Tuesday marks the first time that the tech leader will submit to questioning at the Capitol. For more than a decade, Zuckerberg had dodged the congressional spotlight, slipping away from the sort of high-drama, made-for-television Washington interrogations that had befallen some of his tech industry peers. But the controversy around Cambridge Analytica, a data analysis firm that improperly accessed Facebook users' data, has left Facebook's founder newly exposed to the political firestorm.

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Now, the stakes are sky high for Zuckerberg, whose every statement — probably under oath — will carry immense legal and political weight. His company is under investigation around the world, including a probe in the United States that threatens Facebook with record fines. And Zuckerberg's testimony could fuel new efforts to regulate not only Facebook but also the entire tech industry, at a time when lawmakers increasingly are wondering whether Silicon Valley is out of control.

To Blumenthal, it's Facebook's "unsafe at any speed moment." The senator was referring to the legislative onslaught that befell automakers in the 1960s following revelations that they had manifestly failed to protect passengers from harm.

A spokesman for Facebook did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Earlier this week, Zuckerberg pledged to rethink his company's privacy practices. "We didn't take a broad enough view of what our responsibility is, and that was a huge mistake. It was my mistake," he told reporters.

Zuckerberg's gantlet begins with a rare, joint hearing Tuesday before two Senate panels — the Commerce and Judiciary committees. As many as 43 members, almost half of the entire Senate, are set to pepper the Facebook executive with questions. A day later, the House Energy and Commerce Committee plans to follow suit.

Lawmakers last month called on Zuckerberg to appear to respond to the controversy involving Cambridge Analytica. Since then, Facebook's problems have worsened, including the revelation this week that what it called "malicious actors" could have accessed information, including names and profile photos, about most of the social network's more than 2 billion users.

[ What if we paid for Facebook — instead of letting it spy on us for free? ]

To start, some members of Congress said they want Zuckerberg at the hearings to offer specifics about Cambridge Analytica — and Facebook's privacy practices writ large — even beyond the information the company has shared in recent weeks.

"More than any one issue, I'm interested in Mark Zuckerberg's vision for the responsibility Facebook plans to take for what happens on its platform, how it will protect users' data, and how it intends to proactively stop harmful conduct instead of being forced to respond to it months or years later," said Sen. John Thune (R-S.D.), the leader of the Senate Commerce Committee, in a statement.

Facebook says data of 'up to 87 million users' collected by Cambridge Analytica

Facebook said on April 4 that the political consultancy Cambridge Analytica improperly gained access to the personal information of up to 87 million users. (Reuters)

Rep. Frank Pallone Jr. (N.J.), the top Democrat on the House Energy and Commerce Committee, emphasized that his chief concern is "how many Cambridge Analytica types are out there" that aren't yet public, he said in an interview. A Republican counterpart on the panel, Rep. Marsha Blackburn (Tenn.), said she was most frustrated that Facebook had "turned their users into the product that they are selling."

Sen. Edward J. Markey (D-Mass.), one of his committee's most outspoken advocates for a new online privacy law, said he wants to know if there's any "recourse for victims" from Facebook's recent privacy mishaps. For years, Markey has written letters to the social giant, imploring it to improve its data-protection practices. His efforts helped inform a decision by the Federal Trade Commission to penalize the company in 2011.

Markey said he'd next press Zuckerberg on how the company ensures "the integrity and safety of the platform." Markey specifically cited an old memo, written by a Facebook vice president and recently unearthed by BuzzFeed, that described "bullying and terrorist attacks" as the regular "costs of doing business" on the site.

[ Go ahead and #DeleteFacebook. But here's the change we really need. ]

Previously, Facebook had warded off such invites from Congress. Lawmakers had tried as recently as October to press Zuckerberg and his counterparts at Google and Twitter about the ways that the Russian government spread propaganda on their platforms during the 2016 presidential election. But the top executives sent their leading lawyers to testify in their place, to the chagrin of Democrats and Republicans.

Zuckerberg's appearance next week gives lawmakers another opportunity to raise questions that still linger about the election. "What I care the most about is ... what has this done, what is it doing to democracy?" said Rep. Anna G. Eshoo (D-Calif.), a member of the House committee, who represents a slice of Silicon Valley.

Republicans, meanwhile, recently have been fuming that Facebook is biased against their viewpoints, to the detriment of conservative employees and news sources. At Facebook's last major appearance on Capitol Hill, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) slammed the company as well as Google and Twitter for what he perceived as censorship.

And the hearings starting Tuesday may force Zuckerberg to confront his industry's ever-souring reputation in the nation's capital, where lawmakers increasingly question whether tech giants can police themselves.

"What I see are incredibly innovative and powerful companies that dominate on their platforms, whether that's Facebook, whether that's Google, whether that's Amazon," said Rep. Greg Walden (R-Ore.), who runs the House Energy and Commerce Committee. "But like all good things, if you get too big too quickly you may not have the self-regulation in place that ultimately consumers demand."

Zuckerberg is not the first tech titan to sit across from a dais of peeved federal lawmakers. In 2011, Eric Schmidt, then the executive chairman of Google, was summoned to explain whether the search giant had sought to disadvantage its smaller rivals. Two years later, the Senate trained its sights on Apple, grilling chief executive Tim Cook on allegations that the company dodged billions of dollars in U.S. taxes by keeping its cash offshore. Both executives were subject to scrutiny well beyond what lawmakers saw as their immediate offenses.

This time, the frustration with Facebook on Capitol Hill initially threatened to draw Google and Twitter into the fray. Sen. Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa), the leader of the Judiciary Committee, even invited those two companies' chief executives to testify. But Senate leaders ultimately chose not to require either tech giant to appear — a victory for Google and Twitter, which privately had grumbled for days that they had done nothing wrong and didn't deserve to sit next to Zuckerberg.

Yet Zuckerberg's back-to-back appearances on Capitol Hill still threatens to implicate them all anyway — triggering a new push for privacy regulation, another round of congressional hearings and a continued shift in Web users' impressions of tech giants, Facebook and otherwise, that they once revered.

Blackburn said in an interview that she would push Zuckerberg to support privacy legislation that would require tech companies to obtain permission before selling users' data — a proposal that Facebook and its tech peers have vocally opposed. As the leader of a tech-focused subcommittee, Blackburn also said she's considering a hearing of her own focused on tech companies' powerful algorithms.

Broadly, though, lawmakers signaled that they're ready to confront Facebook on its many recent missteps. "We can no longer go with the mantra 'trust us' because they have proven untrustworthy," Blumenthal said about Facebook. "Whether intentionally or inadvertently, they have really in effect betrayed that trust."


All of life is a process of testing and initiation, always preparing for a higher level of consciousness -- and illumination. -- John Horn

Locutus

Well he sat before Congress today.  I didn't have a chance to listen to any of it, so I guess I'll just have to catch the highlights later. 
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

libby

Same here.

Why do I keep thinking about Pandora's Box ?
All of life is a process of testing and initiation, always preparing for a higher level of consciousness -- and illumination. -- John Horn

Palehorse

I am strongly inclined to delete my account on all devices, should I be notified my information was compromised within the debacle that brought Zuckerberg before our do nothing congress.  :mad:
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duke jupiter

Never had a facebook account. Wasn't necessary for me.

Best regards,
Duke (never say never) Jupiter
Watch out for Goofy!

libby

Duke! :biggrin: So good to see you. Hope all is well.
All of life is a process of testing and initiation, always preparing for a higher level of consciousness -- and illumination. -- John Horn

duke jupiter

Life is good Libby and all is well. Hope you are doing well.

Best regards,
Duke (gettin' by) Jupiter
Watch out for Goofy!

AbbyTC

This doesn't go with your initial post, Libby, so I hope you don't mind.  Right now I am so sick of the stupidity on FB and how many false memes posted by people who don't fact check or learn the whole story.  A former neighbor does this and I often (or my daughter) will call him out on it.  He posted one of the Seattle Seahawks burning the flag which was obviously photoshopped, but it fit his narrative, so he posted it anyway.  After calling him on it, and he admitted it was false, he still did NOT remove it.   :mad:  So it stays on his page, his friends see it, don't read the comments and it continues to spread. 
In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: it goes on. Robert Frost

Perhaps the butterfly is proof that you can go through a great deal of darkness yet become something beautiful.

Henry Hawk

Quote from: duke jupiter on June 13, 2018, 09:35:08 PM
Life is good Libby and all is well. Hope you are doing well.

Best regards,
Duke (gettin' by) Jupiter

Hi ya Duke!! It's always good to see you around!! Hope you are doing well.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


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"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

duke jupiter

Doin' good Henry
Hope life is treatin' you well.

Best regards,
Duke (ridin' high) Jupiter
Watch out for Goofy!

libby

Quote from: AbbyTC on June 19, 2018, 07:02:47 PM
This doesn't go with your initial post, Libby, so I hope you don't mind.  Right now I am so sick of the stupidity on FB and how many false memes posted by people who don't fact check or learn the whole story.  A former neighbor does this and I often (or my daughter) will call him out on it.  He posted one of the Seattle Seahawks burning the flag which was obviously photoshopped, but it fit his narrative, so he posted it anyway.  After calling him on it, and he admitted it was false, he still did NOT remove it.   :mad:  So it stays on his page, his friends see it, don't read the comments and it continues to spread.
Hello Abby, and no, I don't mind at all. That's the way some good conversations get going. And, I agree with what you wrote.
All of life is a process of testing and initiation, always preparing for a higher level of consciousness -- and illumination. -- John Horn

libby

Quote from: duke jupiter on June 21, 2018, 10:10:05 PM
Doin' good Henry
Hope life is treatin' you well.

Best regards,
Duke (ridin' high) Jupiter
As I wrote earlier, good to see you. Do you travel that new mountain road between where Ashland used to be, ending up in Montcalm? I was stunned last summer when my daughter and I went to WV and she asked where I'd like to go, and I said Ashland. My grandfather was the blacksmith. Hadn't been there in a long time, but sure did not expect such a drastic change.
All of life is a process of testing and initiation, always preparing for a higher level of consciousness -- and illumination. -- John Horn

duke jupiter

Yes I have Libby. Many changes to the landscape as the 4-wheelers (utv/atv and dirtbikes keep pouring in to ride the Hatfield/McCoy trails. Strip mining has changed the lay of the land as well. Even though I rode on many of the trials in my younger years and was quite familiar with them, they have become unfamiliar now.

Best regards,
Duke (lost in space) Jupiter
Watch out for Goofy!

Locutus

Quote from: duke jupiter on June 23, 2018, 01:19:26 PM
Yes I have Libby. Many changes to the landscape as the 4-wheelers (utv/atv and dirtbikes keep pouring in to ride the Hatfield/McCoy trails. Strip mining has changed the lay of the land as well. Even though I rode on many of the trials in my younger years and was quite familiar with them, they have become unfamiliar now.

Best regards,
Duke (lost in space) Jupiter

I never was a fan of strip mining and/or mountaintop removal mining.  :mad:
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Palehorse

Quote from: Locutus on June 26, 2018, 05:04:48 PM
I never was a fan of strip mining and/or mountaintop removal mining.  :mad:

Me neither. I've never seen the end result come within the same universe ,aesthetically, as that which existed before they inflicted it upon the earth.
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville